Hi all,
I have an XDA exec, and am looking to change it for a Wizard. How much difference (if any) is there in the speed of these devices, as I understand the Wizard doesn't use an Intel processor it uses Texas Instruments.
Does this mean having to get different binaries ? or do ARM ones still work ?
How do these devices compare... any thoughts appreciated.
Cheers
Well i had an exec and made the exact same decision as you are thinking of making. I have no regrets believe me. First and foremost the phone part works brilliantly, secondly it seems faster to me than the exec, you dont look like a tit when you answer it and it doesnt weigh a ton.
Things i miss:-
VGA Screen
3g Data speed
Nicer keyboard
Things i dont miss:-
Useless phone
Slow speed
Weighty
Large and hard to use
Any more questions just ask
Chris
chrissyboy6969 said:
Well i had an exec and made the exact same decision as you are thinking of making. I have no regrets believe me. First and foremost the phone part works brilliantly, secondly it seems faster to me than the exec, you dont look like a tit when you answer it and it doesnt weigh a ton.
Things i miss:-
VGA Screen
3g Data speed
Nicer keyboard
Things i dont miss:-
Useless phone
Slow speed
Weighty
Large and hard to use
Any more questions just ask
Chris
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Phew, glad it's working out for you Chris!
I switched too...
I had an exec and now I HAVE A WIZARD... I will never look back. I miss the VGA screen but that's about it.
Cyb
Have both but going to sell my exec.
Again will only miss the beautiful VGA screen.
Would O2 do a straight swap for the wizard (xda mini) or did you guys buy and sell yours privately ?
EDIT: Only within the first 14 days
Anyone wanna swap a XDA exec, bought in october 2005 for a xda mini (wizard) in black.
PM me if interested
Thanks for the responses gents, seems like a unanimous decision all round to me
Just to uphold the concensus ...
I got the Exec first , then an MDA Vario
I must say I agree with all that is said so far , the only downside is the size of the screen and the lack of 3G (no big deal IMO ) But in it's (the vario's) favour , it is a much better PHONE than the Exec , and I do need my device to be able to function as a phone as well as making the tea etc.
I am a bit gutted , as I loved the Exec , and feel sad that the Vario has rendered it almost obsolete (for my needs , at least)
Tried to sell the Exec on Ebay , but had a bit of trouble - and to be honest I was quite pleased , as I don't REALLY want to sell it :? , but can't really justify keeping it either !
I could have written that post!
I have the O2 mini and Exec. Why? Well I got the Exec through my work when upgrading and I got the mini for myself as it looked agreat bit of kit. Have had both for about three weeks.
Guess what is sitting there not getting used - the Exec!!! Sure it has a great screen and the keyboard is a flashback to the Psion 5 but for sheer convenience it has to the the mini - excellent (not fantastic a an actual phone but a great all rounder).
It will be inetresting what will be out this time next year!
Anyone want an Exec?
I have to agree with everything above. I had an Universal for about 6 weeks and loved it, however, I did find it totally unpractical as an everyday phone and ended up diverting calls to an old Nokia, which sort of defeated the object!! I then saw a K-Jam in PC World and it was love at first sight Got a fantastic deal from T-Mob (Vario) and have never looked back. I think the Universal is a great bit of kit but the Wizard does it for me every time
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Post your feedback guys, guess it'll help the world to be a better place :lol:
San
It is a good device but too costly...
I would recommand new buyers to wait for a while, so that you get a trouble free device for less..
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
Of all the criticisms, I don't think it's expensive. OK, I bought an MDA Pro with a nice subsidy from T Mobile and not a sim-free Jam Jar, but even so, it's a good price. Compare it to an HP Hx4700 and, say, a Nokia 654321i or whatever a current phone is called :wink: Looking at retail or launch prices, you'll see that they add up to pretty much the same price or more.
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I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
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what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...i havent soft reset it once in over 3 weeks now.. doesnt hang ...everything is working.. this is superb piece of device (i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any (not talking about the price...coz if you wait it will come down...or if you know anyone like i did i got my jasjar for 3800 dirhams unlike many of you who had to pay well in excess of 4100 hehe)
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what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...
....(i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any
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I completely agree, my experience is exactly the same, however, there do seem to be a few people around here with underperforming devices. Guess we're the lucky ones (But I'm sure everyone will be happy sooner or later...)
I like to way the Jasjar works and it's stability, although it is a bit bulky.
HOWEVER, I got mine on Monday last week. On Wednesday, having loaded everything on it and got it working exactly the way I wanted it to, I twisted the screen from phone mode in order to close it, felt a slight resistance and......guess what....yes, the feed to the screen was broken.
I guess this was always going to be a risk with the revolving screen but, really! I'm awaiting the replacement.
It's more usable than my SPV M2000 thanks to the keyboard but it is that bit bigger.
Oh and the fact it crashes my PC doesn't help either :evil:
If ur a housewife who uses it stock-standard with the awful PIM and shocking today screens - you'll be stable and happy. If you are a bleading edge techie (which is probably why you've already got one of these) then you'll have hard reset at least 2 times by now, and will have discovered the myriad of issue that require fixes (BT, PIM, 3G connection TTL, notification sadeamon dups, working player vs chip stepping, etc etc). This is much like WM2003 was in the early days - all issues eventually get solved by software. But for now it's tough battling to find suitable solutions.
personally, I think my time could have been better spent on making money and waiting for the October-1 ROM to evolve 1 more generation.
funny thing is those who complains a lot about the Universal always claimed that they're techsavvy i could prolly say that I'm one of those "idiots" that's quite satisfied with my JJ. I'm annoyed with some of its problems but satisfied overall with its performance and I don't mind waiting for the upgrades to come.
This damn device is droolworthy for sure! There are certain memory handicaps, os problems etc., but i'm sure things would be sorted out over time....
MS has wm5 in its early stages, and i-mate (or whoever) has been bold to release it...as far as i remember, there were a hundred ppl cursing MS for not releasing WM5, for which the JJ launch was being delayed....and i'm sure, all of you would have hoped for a release even though wm5 is not yet fully done and packed, and wouldnt mind an upgrade once complete....face it, its so damn gorgeous that you could'nt resist!!
The memory handicap is definitely a big issue, and i'm sure there trying to fix it, if not completely, atleast to a stage where its practical to use.
I'm wondering if O2 delayed the launch of the Exec, because of these issues??? hmmmmm!!!!!!
San
This is by far and away the most stable ppc I've had yet. Considering it offers vga screen, wifi, BT, keyboard and its a phone(3G also), I dont mind the size. In fact I personally prefer something with weight. Yes there are issues as there are issues with all relatively new devices/OS, but if u want to be at the forefront of cutting edge technology, then this is it...Obvoiusly, its horses for courses so its not everyone's ideal choice...but thats why there IS a choice.
I have used many blackberry devices and PDA's for my work before and could not wait to get my hands on an EXEC.
It looks supurb it rearly does, It will make your m8's jaws drop.
Thebox it comes in makes you think WOW! I have some nice kit here.
Beyond the box though, You have to start it up, Here you will start to wonder!
It will take about 2 Mins to boot from Cold (1 1/2 mins longer than a 486 PC booting into Windows 98 )
Does not matter what mode you go in, Basic, Advanced or Corporate.
You click on Start And after a small delay you may get the menu.
As you start to navigate through Windows Mobile 5 you will instantly notice the sluggish response and this is all before you even install anything on it.
I read all the pre release reviews about this device and am surprised that no one commented on this speed issue!
You learn to notice that the PDA side is too slow to use compaired to other PDA devices.
TOM TOM users will expeirence massive difficulty and incompatibility issues.
The Exec and other Universal devices was the first time that sees the Windows Mobile 5 Software and as such is so buggy you may as well be using a beta version. Software is very scare's compaired to other windows mobile and SE builds.
Reports are starting to come through about the hinge of the screen, though I did not experience this. Be Warned.
The phone functions I had no problems with, Conversations was clear and had not experienced any missed calls like users of the Jas Jar have reported.
The device is much heaver than you may expect and much more bulky due to it's clamshell form factor (fold up keyboard and swivel screen)
With all the above issue's I was personally Dissapointed and ended up selling on this forum after 2 Day's of having the device.
( http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=31002 )
There may be Flash updates in the very near future though It Pi**es me off that companies release this crap before ironing out this massive issues. I mean did they rearlly thing we would not notice?
Stick to a Blackberry or PDA Stand alone.
ME.. I have just ordered myself a Nokia 8800 and will stick to my HP PDA.
I can see your point about some of the bugs with the device, but every xda has had these and they have been pretty much sorted out with time. Personally I love my exec, it is everything I hoped it would be, and yes, there are annoying glitches (I don't like the O2 ROM) but overall it is working very well. Sorry you had such a bad experience with yours!
Fin
hmm
Love my mda pro,
works a charm in my eyes, and all new mobiles have these problems, after an update or a change of rom it will all be fine.
The problem here is that you buy a state of the art phone/pda, of course it has bugs.. buy a new model car and it will have child faults too. these are minor and will be solved in updates.
I have been using my mda pro for a week now and must say it is the coolest phone/pda ever. the screen is to die for!! I don't even look at my mda 3 screen anymore lol. makes me cry haha
There is no other phone/mda right now which has such great working wifi and a vga screen.
This is a phone/pda for someone who loves to have a mini tablet pc with phone function.
How can you compare this with a blackberry? LMAO got stocks in that company? LOL Do blackberry's have vga screens? hahaha the Universal is a PC and that is what we love!!
Anyway.. the universal is here to stay and is the market leader.. and it certainly helps in keeping development going forward!!
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I have a JJ and the call quality has been good (and video calling works okay). There are problems with WM5 (but M$ has never been in the business to produce quality software!). But for me, as a Nokia 9500 user, is the lack of proper phone functions in WM5 that is surprising.
The performance will improve if you turn off the error reporting. But I am still surprised how slow the device is compared to my Treo 650, which only has a 312Mhz processor and has persistent memory.
Like all these devices reviews etc are available so perhaps people should do a bit more research before they buy one?
ehhh
that is like comparing Apples to Oranges.
Just don't buy a MS device if you don't like them! I also have a spv c550, great phone but loads of probs with that new 230pix screen and tomtom5 haha, but still i love it.
nokia, SE p910i and treo are symbian phones and have their own limitations and mishaps. :twisted: had them all and never liked their restricted GUI.
Nagging we all can, i just love it that we have windows based phones and pda's and will certainly keep buying them. And so will a large group of followers hehe
http://my-symbian.com/forum/ should be the place for you ahhaha
I agree, i had all the nokia 9000 series phones and loved them but I use the excel and the symbian software slaughters excel and the Nokia 9500 could not even handle the transfer of excel files to computer when I bought one and the place I bought it from "Techoni Mobile Phones Australia" said wait for an update from Nokia when I rang and said I wanted my money back as I said to them that they sold me a product that doesn't do as advertised. I will never buy off that company again. The JJ / Exec is an incredible phone/PDA.
Er..I was trying to say the JJ is okay for me...even though it is not complete. I use all types of devices I have no preference I just want something that helps me do things better. I agree about the Nokia word/excel issues, Nokia were silly about this.
Edit: @dvl, the Treo is not Symbian and next there will be a WM5 version of the Treo released. M$ are really pleased with the Treo WM5 as they recognise the hardware is designed well and M$ have had help from Palm to improve the UI.
are all tomtom related issues not a matter of tomtom's software not being 2005 friendly or buggy ?
hehe
You are right, treo is palm, hehe but kinda similar to symbian..
but you made a true statement.. I LOVE THE TREO600/650's feel, touch and looks. And now that they come with WM5 in it i will certainly by that phone.. No doubt about it. And it will be a market leader when it comes out.
ALthough it will not be a Universal.. hehe
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hi
i tend to disagree ...ive had my universal for almost 2 months now.. and have no problems with it... connecivity wise or hinge wise
the only thing disappointing me till now (its not related to universal) is that while some devs have updated their softwares most have not yet done so or havent released a fully stable version for wm5
I'm using JJ for the last one month and I have no problem with it at all.
At the beginning I used to experience some troubles with the low speed of the device but after a while, I made some changes to the settings of the JJ and everyting is working fine now.
I think that JJ is having everyting I need and much more.
Still there are some issues to be resolved like the Video full screen play back and other issues, but in General it is the best PDA I have ever used.
Regards,
ok guys this is it....m goin tomoro to get my new pda. i ve been keepin track of this forum for quite sme time but couldnt make up my mind. so wat shud it be...an o2 xda 2s, 2i or the exec. i m really confused. i am not much of a programmer but lookin for a really funky but at the same time easy to operate ( and hopefully stable) device. so all of u hu hav used these devices before plz suggest ...plz
Hi!!!
U want to choose one out of 3 and still u use the word "between" :lol:
Any way, if u can afford u can go in for exec..else u can try Wizard...2s and 2i are now outdated from my angle..
Deffinately the Exec. I just started a second contract, purely so I could stop using my iis. The IIs has to many issues that are annoying, mostly centred around the phone functions, which after all is the whole point of a convergence device, as for the IIi, even the staff at O2 shops advise you not to get them, because of it's bugs and issues, including SD card compatability.
The Exec so far seems to be much better than the iis in terms of stability, and the phone functions well, including voice dialling from Bluetooth, which you can forget with the IIs. 3g data speeds are much better than GSM if you get a signal, and the screen on the exec is just gorgeous, Tomtom looks like a whole new version lol.
BTW Using between is perfectly good english for 3 choices, imagine a triangle, put each device in one corner, then stand in the middle, you are between each one.
cheers guys....but anyone else with any more suggestions?
I am about to take a leap into smartphones. I want to mainly use the phone for calendar/contact/notes, internet browsing using my home WiFi, some light music/video, very little (none) messaging or using the data from AT&T GPRS/G3.
I was looking at Blackberry, iPhone, other WM devices, and the TyTN and TyTN II appeal most to me. However, I am hesitant to spend ~$450 on eBay for the latest version when I can pick up a used Hermes for ~$250. Since it's my first PDA phone, I am not sure yet how exactly I am going to be using it, so don't want to spend more than I have to. Also, I heard of TyTN II's hardware/software insufficiencies.
Basically, I am asking if getting a Hermes now is too late in terms of support for it drying up, and units available older, or does it make sense?
This site is one reason I am considering HTC since it looks like there are tons of resourses out here.
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I am about to take a leap into smartphones. I want to mainly use the phone for calendar/contact/notes, internet browsing using my home WiFi, some light music/video, very little (none) messaging or using the data from AT&T GPRS/G3.
I was looking at Blackberry, iPhone, other WM devices, and the TyTN and TyTN II appeal most to me. However, I am hesitant to spend ~$450 on eBay for the latest version when I can pick up a used Hermes for ~$250. Since it's my first PDA phone, I am not sure yet how exactly I am going to be using it, so don't want to spend more than I have to. Also, I heard of TyTN II's hardware/software insufficiencies.
Basically, I am asking if getting a Hermes now is too late in terms of support for it drying up, and units available older, or does it make sense?
This site is one reason I am considering HTC since it looks like there are tons of resourses out here.
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There is TONS of support for the Hermes dude, the Kaiser (TyTN II) is also a good device but if you are put off by the video driver issues and some of the other foibles it has then the Hermes should do you fine.
Dont be put off by the lower RAM size and etc....I believe for the beginner the Hermes is still a great starting point, you should learn alot about WM devices from it.
Before you buy do make sure the device is fully working and is not a half-bricked device since if the whole thing works fine you can customize it as much or as little as you wish.
trade67 said:
I am about to take a leap into smartphones. I want to mainly use the phone for calendar/contact/notes, internet browsing using my home WiFi, some light music/video, very little (none) messaging or using the data from AT&T GPRS/G3.
I was looking at Blackberry, iPhone, other WM devices, and the TyTN and TyTN II appeal most to me. However, I am hesitant to spend ~$450 on eBay for the latest version when I can pick up a used Hermes for ~$250. Since it's my first PDA phone, I am not sure yet how exactly I am going to be using it, so don't want to spend more than I have to. Also, I heard of TyTN II's hardware/software insufficiencies.
Basically, I am asking if getting a Hermes now is too late in terms of support for it drying up, and units available older, or does it make sense?
This site is one reason I am considering HTC since it looks like there are tons of resourses out here.
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hi trade!
i have been in your boat i took a bigger leep from the sony ericsson p990i to the hermes and can i say..... thats got to be the best leap ive took....there is endless support for the hermes... the TyTN 2 is very nice aswell but i do think there is a bit of a disign fault with it!... if it has a flip screen and u want to sit it down y put the speaker underneath?
but we all make mistakes
bottom line is yes i recromend upgrading to hermes!
Westie277 said:
hi trade!
i have been in your boat i took a bigger leep from the sony ericsson p990i to the hermes and can i say..... thats got to be the best leap ive took....there is endless support for the hermes... the TyTN 2 is very nice aswell but i do think there is a bit of a disign fault with it!... if it has a flip screen and u want to sit it down y put the speaker underneath?
but we all make mistakes
bottom line is yes i recromend upgrading to hermes!
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Yep, I made the leap from a SE P900......old skool
hmm.... the p990i was the underdog... people seemed to like its older brothers more....
im looking into getting a o2 cocoon....
im a student and taking a valuable phone (in my view) to school... I dont like
but i love flashing the brillient software like S2P and S2U2 (really annoys thouse who spent a bit on the ipod touch )
but yeah... i love the cocoons exterior hidden LED display
WM rules!
Thanks for the replies, everybody!
I am geting closer to the decision. I am basically trying to combine my old Sony PDA's and Siemens phone's features and also take advantage of some of the new technologies like BT and WiFi. I just want something reliable that performs its main functions well, not necessarily the "next best thing". Sounds like Hermes is a good device for that, while having potential for going far beyond.
Well the hermes is very reliable.... just aslong as you dont upload it with a dodgy ROM
and i hope too see you around the hermes fourms!
Hermes is a great windows mobile PPC...highly recommended! good luck!
Made the plunge! Just got a used one on ebay for $250.
Quick question: is it possible to sync PIMs with Outlook at home and Notes at work (I am not allowed to install Outlook at work, and most of the input to my calendar I do there)? I apologize if it is not the right forum for this question.
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Made the plunge! Just got a used one on ebay for $250.
Quick question: is it possible to sync PIMs with Outlook at home and Notes at work (I am not allowed to install Outlook at work, and most of the input to my calendar I do there)? I apologize if it is not the right forum for this question.
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Best thing to do is to use an exchange account (quite easily found and cheap) so you can edit your calendar and tasks etc... using the web based outlook interface both at home and at work.
Plus its best to use an exchange account if you dont fancy re-entering your contacts etc...
mrvanx, thanks for the tip. I will definetly give mail2web a try. I've never even known what an exchange account is, but am reading up on it now.
I still don't want to use any data plans to access my email, so I guess the main advantage of the exchange account is the ability to sync everything through the web and consistent interface. I guess I would use WiFi to sync it to the 8525?
Please, forgive all the newbie questions, I've never dealt with a PDA phone before.
I've been making my way up thro' the ranks too.
Palm - Clie - Loox - Wizard - Hermes.
I'm waiting for my Hermes to arrive, bought it 30 mins ago from the 'bay for £50ish ($100ish) - but I have plenty of experience flashing the Wizard - HTC have done a great job on these platforms.....
Take that step.
I'm looking into gettin a mobile pda and i'm looking into a couple of models.
So how's the HTC TyTN?
Speedwise, touch screen, application, roms?
I've heard that there aren't any proper graphics drivers for the tytn resulting into slow down when using the tytn.
Is it true?
Any other things i should know about it?
Thanks!
Tytn is fine, though getting a bit older now. The Tytn II is the one with the problem graphics drivers.. Can't tell you what the latest and best is as here in Oz we're still waiting for the Diamond and over in the US and Europe you now have the Omnia and are looking to soon get the Touchpro.
Cheers...
They are still selling new ones here in aus... I got an almost new one (couple of small scratches and less than 4 hours total use) for $200 AUD.
The only other pda phone I considered was the iMate 9502, but it a bit expensive, big and keyboard is small...
I use mine for everything... My music and vids, my minute taking at meetings etc etc...
Depends on what ya want it for...
Thanks for your replies.
Yes, the i-Mate 9502 is awesome, but the price is too much unfortunately.
I'm also checking on the TyTN2, but it seems it has got a couple of issues so i'll have to tick it off the list - a shame because it seemed everything i was looking for was in it!