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San
It is a good device but too costly...
I would recommand new buyers to wait for a while, so that you get a trouble free device for less..
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
Of all the criticisms, I don't think it's expensive. OK, I bought an MDA Pro with a nice subsidy from T Mobile and not a sim-free Jam Jar, but even so, it's a good price. Compare it to an HP Hx4700 and, say, a Nokia 654321i or whatever a current phone is called :wink: Looking at retail or launch prices, you'll see that they add up to pretty much the same price or more.
mniko said:
I really dont understand the idea of this... They sell Device with bugs and problems for very high price and then after a while when the probs are almost fixed they come down.... Isnt that suppose to be other way around?
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what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...i havent soft reset it once in over 3 weeks now.. doesnt hang ...everything is working.. this is superb piece of device (i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any (not talking about the price...coz if you wait it will come down...or if you know anyone like i did i got my jasjar for 3800 dirhams unlike many of you who had to pay well in excess of 4100 hehe)
zohaer21 said:
what problems???? my jasjar is the most stable ppc phone yet...
....(i shod know ive had pda2k,pda2 and jam.... and all of them had their weak points but jasjar doesnt have any
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I completely agree, my experience is exactly the same, however, there do seem to be a few people around here with underperforming devices. Guess we're the lucky ones (But I'm sure everyone will be happy sooner or later...)
I like to way the Jasjar works and it's stability, although it is a bit bulky.
HOWEVER, I got mine on Monday last week. On Wednesday, having loaded everything on it and got it working exactly the way I wanted it to, I twisted the screen from phone mode in order to close it, felt a slight resistance and......guess what....yes, the feed to the screen was broken.
I guess this was always going to be a risk with the revolving screen but, really! I'm awaiting the replacement.
It's more usable than my SPV M2000 thanks to the keyboard but it is that bit bigger.
Oh and the fact it crashes my PC doesn't help either :evil:
If ur a housewife who uses it stock-standard with the awful PIM and shocking today screens - you'll be stable and happy. If you are a bleading edge techie (which is probably why you've already got one of these) then you'll have hard reset at least 2 times by now, and will have discovered the myriad of issue that require fixes (BT, PIM, 3G connection TTL, notification sadeamon dups, working player vs chip stepping, etc etc). This is much like WM2003 was in the early days - all issues eventually get solved by software. But for now it's tough battling to find suitable solutions.
personally, I think my time could have been better spent on making money and waiting for the October-1 ROM to evolve 1 more generation.
funny thing is those who complains a lot about the Universal always claimed that they're techsavvy i could prolly say that I'm one of those "idiots" that's quite satisfied with my JJ. I'm annoyed with some of its problems but satisfied overall with its performance and I don't mind waiting for the upgrades to come.
This damn device is droolworthy for sure! There are certain memory handicaps, os problems etc., but i'm sure things would be sorted out over time....
MS has wm5 in its early stages, and i-mate (or whoever) has been bold to release it...as far as i remember, there were a hundred ppl cursing MS for not releasing WM5, for which the JJ launch was being delayed....and i'm sure, all of you would have hoped for a release even though wm5 is not yet fully done and packed, and wouldnt mind an upgrade once complete....face it, its so damn gorgeous that you could'nt resist!!
The memory handicap is definitely a big issue, and i'm sure there trying to fix it, if not completely, atleast to a stage where its practical to use.
I'm wondering if O2 delayed the launch of the Exec, because of these issues??? hmmmmm!!!!!!
San
This is by far and away the most stable ppc I've had yet. Considering it offers vga screen, wifi, BT, keyboard and its a phone(3G also), I dont mind the size. In fact I personally prefer something with weight. Yes there are issues as there are issues with all relatively new devices/OS, but if u want to be at the forefront of cutting edge technology, then this is it...Obvoiusly, its horses for courses so its not everyone's ideal choice...but thats why there IS a choice.
I was a XDA Atom user (boy, was that a big mistake), then i shifter to a Sony Ericsson P990i. A friend of mine is offering to swap with me my SE P990i with an XDA Trion (HTC TYTN). Now comes the question, should I or shouldn't I?
I got frustrated with the Atom's performance (poor battery life, slow sluggish response (especially with MS Voice command as compared to my imate jam), memory drains, and clunky MS 5.0 handling). I got rid of it as soon as I could.
NOw I have an SE P990i. I miss my pocket PC. Shoudl I swap the phone, or should I stick with my SE P990i? Can someone give me a direct comparison between the Atom and the Tytn?
Thanks in advance.
Thats a tough question because its not as easy as comparing an atom to a tytn for example. However, the biggest comparrison I always remember when weighing up a non windows mobile device (because there are a few on the horizon that have tempted me to contemplate it) is the software and the interface. Because really why else would you consider swapping if not for the fact that you obviously miss the windows mobile platform?
Anyway you were probably looking for hardware comparrisons but as a TyTN and M3100 user I can tell you the TyTNs only suffer 1 problem as opposed to the Atom series - which (until the end when they got the software right) was one big stuff up; and thats screen alignment issues and to a small extent sticky keys on the keyboard. Besides that the device is very quick, responsive, one handed use is great, keyboard is fantastic for everything from emails to sms, phone reception is well up there, and the interchangable roms between all the Hermes variants mean if your have a compatibility issue with some software or responsiveness chances are another variants ROM will correct it, as some users have found with GPS and performances.
You could ask your friend WHY he wants to trade. Does his TyTN have the famous Screen- and keyboardproblems, does it have a weak WiFi section, does the keyboard slide in and out to easy and\or has he trouble with the stylus?
I had 3 TyTN (up to version HT633) and ALL had serious problems. And remember the screenalignment can make thet TyTN unusable at times.
Theoretically speaking Tytn is the most capable for many things. Personally I have regretted the fact that I spent so much money buying this problematic device and this because the cons are more than the pros. I'm talking about the known problems of screen allignment and freezing when in sleeping mode etc. Only these two factors are major drawbacks when u r speaking about pda phones. In my opinion HTC did not manage to fully "support" the device before put it on the market resulting the "bugs" now coming out one by one. I hope HTC will take seriously all these problems and fix them with the appropriate ROM..
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Theoretically speaking Tytn is the most capable for many things. Personally I have regretted the fact that I spent so much money buying this problematic device and this because the cons are more than the pros. I'm talking about the known problems of screen allignment and freezing when in sleeping mode etc. Only these two factors are major drawbacks when u r speaking about pda phones. In my opinion HTC did not manage to fully "support" the device before put it on the market resulting the "bugs" now coming out one by one. I hope HTC will take seriously all these problems and fix them with the appropriate ROM..
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I fully agree. I also regretted the fact that I bought one...but luckily my reseller is giving me a refund. This device is rushed to market and not fully tested. I hope HTC has it QC better for the devices that will be released the next few weeks\months. I never...never...never had a device with this many bugs right out of the box. It even makes me agry because I paid almost 800 US dollar for this - and I am realy sorry to say - piece of garbage.
WM devices all the way.....
I had read this post previously but decided not to share my opinion as I haven't had the pleasure of evaluating the new P990i. But on reading over some of the posts on this thread I thought it suitable to do so now.
I have previously owned a P800, P900, K750i from SE and an XDAIIi, XDA mini, Universal, Vario, Prophet and now a VarioII. So whilst I have had much experience of owning & using these devices, I am by no means professing to be any kind of expert.
IMHO, based on my personal experiences and frustrations of getting to grips with Windows mobile devices and their buggy ROMs, I still believe that they are the best convergance devices out there. In short:
Cons:
1. Always buggy ROMs/software and incompatibility across avrious applications.
2. Too many releases of newer and better devices, only shortly after everyone has bought in to the current one, leading me to believe that I've been conned, yet I always buy into it again.
3. Lousy support from manufacturers (even worse if bought on contract-network providers branded phones).
4. The frustration of petitioning and waiting for manufacturers and software devlopers to rectify their incomplete software (sometimes a big part of the reason for purchasing certain hardware/phones).
Pros:
1. No other platform offers as much personal customisation, modification and the ability to update your software/ROM as Windows mobile devices.
2. This point really ties in with the first; closest and most compatible format to Windows PC O/S, in my opinion. providing your not a Mac user!!
3. If you have the time (most people don't) to invest in resolving all issues that affect you (not including defective hardware), you will end up with a nigh on perfect device for your purposes (within reason of course).
That said, my list of Pros don't seem to be too extensive do they? That's because, for me, they encompass all I personally need.
For me the TyTN/VarioII is slowly but definately becoming a very reliable and stable device. As a matter of fact, it already is! I just have one gripe about video playback performance using a 3rd party appl, but that is also being resolved by the developers as we speak, but it didn't happen overnight and not without perseverance on my behalf. Hence the reason why WM devices are not for everyone.
If you click on my name and read all of my boring posts (no funny comments please), you will find that there has been a teething period for all my devices and a fair share of frustration and dissapointment on my behalf too, but I stuck with them all until they gave me virtually no problems. Then the next best thing came out and I moved on to the next challenge or toy.
Bottom line for me is: Does my current device meet my immediate needs? Yeah, pretty much most high end phones do that.
But for longevity: Is my current device versatile enough (in terms of features), configurable/modifyable/adaptable and compatible with my PC and my hobbies. Yes Yes Yes. Nothing else even comes close for me. The TyTN, in my opinion, may be a buggy device for many, but not for many others. I have no major issues at all. I use wi-fi everyday without issue. I use HSDPA several times a week and whilst I'm not always able to achieve my highest 1.4 Mbps, I now usually achieve a minimum of over 800kbps in poor reception areas. I have not had any screen alignment issues at all, no sticky keys, no dropped calls or poor quality calls (& I only get one bar signal where I live & work), but I do suffer from occasional lock-ups (mostly due to my impatience when multi-tasking) but no more than 1 or 2 a fortnight. Battery life is pretty good given my wi-fi usage. I charge every night (by choice or habbit) but actually don't need to charge until the end of the next day. TomTom GPS works like a charm as does bluetooth and basically everything else I do with it. Camera is not the best out there, by a long shot, but it is pretty good for day shots.
There's too much to mention. I guess the Pros list just grew!!
Im by no means an advocate or employee of Microsoft either, but they just happen to produce what I want and I'm prepared to take out the time to tweak these things to MY liking.
If like me, you're this way enclined, you won't regret moving back to WM, especially the TyTN, providing you don't get a dodgy one like many seemed to have done.
I put my money where my mouth is;
Wifes Phone: Universal (MDA Pro, not my old JasJar)
Daughter 1's Phone: Hurricane smartphone (poor support from manufacturers though)
Daughter 2's Phone: Prophet (my previous device)
Son 1's PPC: HP iPAQ rx 3715
All devices are running on different ROMs than the ones they were shipped with, and none of them have any issues at all. TyTN beats the Universal hands down (well except for the VGA screen).
Hope this helps.
When my airtime contract came up for renewal, I waited for the P990, but was sorely disappointed when it arrived. In my opinion its an excellent piece of hardware but severely let-down by the software. This was compounded by operator firmware that came with the device that was not subject to the normal Sony Ericsson firmware updates. The phone was therefore very buggy and I just couldn't live with the instability and inflexibility/lack of customisation of the OS and software. Also, in my opinion, due to the P990 coming so late to market it is likely to be superseded sooner rather than later (there are rumours of a replacement in Q1 2007).
I returned my P990 and got a 1605 instead - it was a good choice. If I hadn't waited for the P990 I could've got the TyTN when it was released! Anyway, I so far have had no issues with my 1605 and have loaded it with a whole bunch of software and got it to function in the exact way I want. OK, the camera is not so good on the TyTN and the screen has only 65k colours (the P990 has 250k) but I can live with that. In my opinion, you might want to bear in mind the P990 is more of a phone and the TyTN is more of a PDA.
Another plus for the TyTN is the syncing software (very important to me). Overall, ActiveSync is fairly stable and I think it performs extremely consistently when syncing, i.e. exactly the same items appear in the PPC as they do in Outlook. The Sony Ericsson software is a mess. They took the old xtnd connect software (I think that's what it was called) then tacked on module after module to get it to do what they wanted. This resulted in crappy product that conflicts with other software (e.g. WIDCOMM) and multiple installation issues and doesn't even sync well - there are still bugs left over from the days of the P800 (I won't deal them here).
I am very happy with my TyTN. Fingers crossed I won't get the screen alignment issue that appears commonplace. Personally, I think the TyTN wipes the floor with the P990 as far as functionality goes. (Before the P990 I was a diehard SE fanboy!).
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You could ask your friend WHY he wants to trade. Does his TyTN have the famous Screen- and keyboardproblems, does it have a weak WiFi section, does the keyboard slide in and out to easy and\or has he trouble with the stylus?
I had 3 TyTN (up to version HT633) and ALL had serious problems. And remember the screenalignment can make thet TyTN unusable at times.
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>Well, actually, she wants to trade it because it is a pocket PC phone. SHe had not problem with it at all. She just prefers a symbian phone as opposed to a pocket PC one.
Ce said:
I fully agree. I also regretted the fact that I bought one...but luckily my reseller is giving me a refund. This device is rushed to market and not fully tested. I hope HTC has it QC better for the devices that will be released the next few weeks\months. I never...never...never had a device with this many bugs right out of the box. It even makes me agry because I paid almost 800 US dollar for this - and I am realy sorry to say - piece of garbage.
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>What unit are you using now?
Slider758 said:
When my airtime contract came up for renewal, I waited for the P990, but was sorely disappointed when it arrived. In my opinion its an excellent piece of hardware but severely let-down by the software. This was compounded by operator firmware that came with the device that was not subject to the normal Sony Ericsson firmware updates. The phone was therefore very buggy and I just couldn't live with the instability and inflexibility/lack of customisation of the OS and software. Also, in my opinion, due to the P990 coming so late to market it is likely to be superseded sooner rather than later (there are rumours of a replacement in Q1 2007).
I returned my P990 and got a 1605 instead - it was a good choice. If I hadn't waited for the P990 I could've got the TyTN when it was released! Anyway, I so far have had no issues with my 1605 and have loaded it with a whole bunch of software and got it to function in the exact way I want. OK, the camera is not so good on the TyTN and the screen has only 65k colours (the P990 has 250k) but I can live with that. In my opinion, you might want to bear in mind the P990 is more of a phone and the TyTN is more of a PDA.
Another plus for the TyTN is the syncing software (very important to me). Overall, ActiveSync is fairly stable and I think it performs extremely consistently when syncing, i.e. exactly the same items appear in the PPC as they do in Outlook. The Sony Ericsson software is a mess. They took the old xtnd connect software (I think that's what it was called) then tacked on module after module to get it to do what they wanted. This resulted in crappy product that conflicts with other software (e.g. WIDCOMM) and multiple installation issues and doesn't even sync well - there are still bugs left over from the days of the P800 (I won't deal them here).
I am very happy with my TyTN. Fingers crossed I won't get the screen alignment issue that appears commonplace. Personally, I think the TyTN wipes the floor with the P990 as far as functionality goes. (Before the P990 I was a diehard SE fanboy!).
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>I totally agree with you. The P990i is a bit clunky and clumsy especially when in comes to synching.
Thanks
mackaby007 said:
I had read this post previously but decided not to share my opinion as I haven't had the pleasure of evaluating the new P990i. But on reading over some of the posts on this thread I thought it suitable to do so now.
I have previously owned a P800, P900, K750i from SE and an XDAIIi, XDA mini, Universal, Vario, Prophet and now a VarioII. So whilst I have had much experience of owning & using these devices, I am by no means professing to be any kind of expert.
IMHO, based on my personal experiences and frustrations of getting to grips with Windows mobile devices and their buggy ROMs, I still believe that they are the best convergance devices out there. In short:
Cons:
1. Always buggy ROMs/software and incompatibility across avrious applications.
2. Too many releases of newer and better devices, only shortly after everyone has bought in to the current one, leading me to believe that I've been conned, yet I always buy into it again.
3. Lousy support from manufacturers (even worse if bought on contract-network providers branded phones).
4. The frustration of petitioning and waiting for manufacturers and software devlopers to rectify their incomplete software (sometimes a big part of the reason for purchasing certain hardware/phones).
Pros:
1. No other platform offers as much personal customisation, modification and the ability to update your software/ROM as Windows mobile devices.
2. This point really ties in with the first; closest and most compatible format to Windows PC O/S, in my opinion. providing your not a Mac user!!
3. If you have the time (most people don't) to invest in resolving all issues that affect you (not including defective hardware), you will end up with a nigh on perfect device for your purposes (within reason of course).
That said, my list of Pros don't seem to be too extensive do they? That's because, for me, they encompass all I personally need.
For me the TyTN/VarioII is slowly but definately becoming a very reliable and stable device. As a matter of fact, it already is! I just have one gripe about video playback performance using a 3rd party appl, but that is also being resolved by the developers as we speak, but it didn't happen overnight and not without perseverance on my behalf. Hence the reason why WM devices are not for everyone.
If you click on my name and read all of my boring posts (no funny comments please), you will find that there has been a teething period for all my devices and a fair share of frustration and dissapointment on my behalf too, but I stuck with them all until they gave me virtually no problems. Then the next best thing came out and I moved on to the next challenge or toy.
Bottom line for me is: Does my current device meet my immediate needs? Yeah, pretty much most high end phones do that.
But for longevity: Is my current device versatile enough (in terms of features), configurable/modifyable/adaptable and compatible with my PC and my hobbies. Yes Yes Yes. Nothing else even comes close for me. The TyTN, in my opinion, may be a buggy device for many, but not for many others. I have no major issues at all. I use wi-fi everyday without issue. I use HSDPA several times a week and whilst I'm not always able to achieve my highest 1.4 Mbps, I now usually achieve a minimum of over 800kbps in poor reception areas. I have not had any screen alignment issues at all, no sticky keys, no dropped calls or poor quality calls (& I only get one bar signal where I live & work), but I do suffer from occasional lock-ups (mostly due to my impatience when multi-tasking) but no more than 1 or 2 a fortnight. Battery life is pretty good given my wi-fi usage. I charge every night (by choice or habbit) but actually don't need to charge until the end of the next day. TomTom GPS works like a charm as does bluetooth and basically everything else I do with it. Camera is not the best out there, by a long shot, but it is pretty good for day shots.
There's too much to mention. I guess the Pros list just grew!!
Im by no means an advocate or employee of Microsoft either, but they just happen to produce what I want and I'm prepared to take out the time to tweak these things to MY liking.
If like me, you're this way enclined, you won't regret moving back to WM, especially the TyTN, providing you don't get a dodgy one like many seemed to have done.
I put my money where my mouth is;
Wifes Phone: Universal (MDA Pro, not my old JasJar)
Daughter 1's Phone: Hurricane smartphone (poor support from manufacturers though)
Daughter 2's Phone: Prophet (my previous device)
Son 1's PPC: HP iPAQ rx 3715
All devices are running on different ROMs than the ones they were shipped with, and none of them have any issues at all. TyTN beats the Universal hands down (well except for the VGA screen).
Hope this helps.
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Totally! Thanks! I am beginning to miss WM. After reading your post, I am now more inclined to get the tytn. I just hope that you guys would help me get out of a rut should I get in to one
How bad is the screen alignment bug?
What is the screen alignment bug? How bad is it and has it been resolved?
Search the forums as there is a large thread on the issue but in short, it was mainly, and I emphasise mainly early models of the TyTN that had issues with screen alignment and sticky keyboard keys.
However, some users are still coming across the problem, but this is at times due to them getting an early model that has just been in stock.
But like anything, its always the bad/troublesome experiences you will hear about more then the good points. Ive set-up and purchased 7 of these devices for friends and a business (due to them not being sold in AU until this week) and none of those have had issues or complaits. But I would be questioning why your friend wants to trade still.
Welcome back to WM...
@Deadman:
of course we'll help you if u run into problems. that's what we all do here, as you know, being a WM man at heart. Welcome back.
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Search the forums as there is a large thread on the issue but in short, it was mainly, and I emphasise mainly early models of the TyTN that had issues with screen alignment and sticky keyboard keys.
However, some users are still coming across the problem, but this is at times due to them getting an early model that has just been in stock.
But like anything, its always the bad/troublesome experiences you will hear about more then the good points. Ive set-up and purchased 7 of these devices for friends and a business (due to them not being sold in AU until this week) and none of those have had issues or complaits. But I would be questioning why your friend wants to trade still.
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She's just more comfortable with symbian (UIQ phones) than PPC, I guess.
Have to agree with the general opinion. I have a vario II and my brother in law has a P990i. The P990 is a great device, but at the moment he is really suffering from software availability for UIQ 3.0
Thanks guys.
I have seen the light
I have seen the error of my ways and will rturn to my beloved PPC/MS based PPC
just another thing I thought I'd point out - I'm a member of the esato forum, and it seems a lot of die hard SE fans have picked the Tytn over the p990. I chose the tytn for the keyboard, apps available, hsdpa, and the cheaper price. Tytns are going for around £280 compared to the p990s £400.
I think your "friend" is trying to make a quick buck
Yep, I agree wholly with the above 2 posts, no point writing it all out again!
hello
im thinking of getting the hw6945 as a replacement for my wizard. there are couple of reasons that i havent done yet and this is y:
1. there are no unlock methods, sim and app.
2. not enough user support.
3. no new roms aku3.3.
4. no wm6.
5. current rom is sluggish.
is there a better forum for the ipaq or is it that this fone isnt that famous amongst ppl.
Please let me know asap since i need to make a decision now.
The sluggish part I can't really deny - but it's called the "swiss army knife" of pda/phones for a good reason. Rumors had it that the HP lineup was going to get the wm6 upgrade, which makes sense since the 69xx series is the "flagship" line and they usually have an upgrade path - most recently with the 47xx series. People will tell you that the 65xx wasn't upgradeable but that's because the 69xx was already in pre-production when wm5 was announced. I believe that's the reason why the 69xx is so slow - they just loaded it up with the new OS without upgrading the cpu. From what I understand the specs for wm6 isn't so high as to make the device any more sluggish.
There isn't much user support, but it's a business model not really for hacking.
What's in the new ROM that you want??
I believe it comes unlocked in many parts of the world.
Xilicon said:
The sluggish part I can't really deny - but it's called the "swiss army knife" of pda/phones for a good reason. Rumors had it that the HP lineup was going to get the wm6 upgrade, which makes sense since the 69xx series is the "flagship" line and they usually have an upgrade path - most recently with the 47xx series. People will tell you that the 65xx wasn't upgradeable but that's because the 69xx was already in pre-production when wm5 was announced. I believe that's the reason why the 69xx is so slow - they just loaded it up with the new OS without upgrading the cpu. From what I understand the specs for wm6 isn't so high as to make the device any more sluggish.
There isn't much user support, but it's a business model not really for hacking.
What's in the new ROM that you want??
I believe it comes unlocked in many parts of the world.
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i didnt know that they called the hw6900 series the swiss army of all PDAs. even if they did how come not alot of ppl have it or talk about it. i mean comparing to the wizard, there is so much support for it. anyways, what makes me confused is i love my wizard, but it has been with me for more than a year and i wanted to get another phone. i was thinking about the jasjam but since its the same concept at the wizard, i started to look for something else. you big screen, q keyboard, gps. the hp has all these but then it doesnt have what made the wizrd fun, and that is formating and trying out new roms. how do u like yours and have you had another windows fone other than your hp?
I try to limit myself to one pda/phone gadget at a time. I had the wizard and the magician before that - jasjar never excited me, it's just too huge and in the end you have to be able to talk on the phone without looking like you're holding a brick to your face. The only other phone I would use instead of the hw6965 would be the new treo 750. I'm pretty pragmatic really and I enjoy the good hack as much as the next guy, but the older I get the more I like my things to "just work" as opposed to messing around with it all the time. Treo doesn't have wifi or gps but I like the form factor. The wizard isn't really practical in my opinion - you always have to slide out the keyboard (which means that you are only allowed to be in landscape when you type) and consequently you have to use 2 hands.
with the upcoming launch of new wm6 phones, I'd hold off on any purchases if I were you.
hubono said:
hello
im thinking of getting the hw6945 as a replacement for my wizard. there are couple of reasons that i havent done yet and this is y:
1. there are no unlock methods, sim and app.
2. not enough user support.
3. no new roms aku3.3.
4. no wm6.
5. current rom is sluggish.
is there a better forum for the ipaq or is it that this fone isnt that famous amongst ppl.
Please let me know asap since i need to make a decision now.
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I have had both the 8125 and 8525. I then recieved the HP 6925 from Cingular and I haven't used the others since. In fact I just sold my 8525 on ebay. The 6925 is amazing. The GPS rules and can used with most GPS programs. The keypad works great and the screen cover is perfect. The only thing is that HP is really slow with rom updates. The processor is faster then the 8525 however you take a hit on the screen. Calls are clear and I love using one hand to make calls. I no longer slide out the keyboard. I am very happy and iPAQ's are built to last... Hope this helps..
Rob
Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
---> Thoughts?
I think the RAM "issue" has been addressed many times so far, the additional RAM that is not visible to the end-user is allocated for the graphics, the same implementation is done on the Touch HD.
Although i wasn't that impressed with the implementation of the panels, and indeed i was expecting more of active panels instead of images to click on and change desktop, i can also see some benefits of it. And the SDK clearly states that the panels can be active, i guess we would have to wait and see if they implement that feature going forward.
As for the registry tweaks, had it been an actual HTC device you would have to perform exactly the same tweaks and probably install SPB mobile shell on top of it because TF3D is also just a gimmick and one gets bored with it quite quickly.
It is in the nature of Windows Mobile that all of the devices with this OS actually do need a high level of customization by the user. Out of the box it gives you the basics and then it is up to the user to install programs or tweak the system to get more out of it...but that is also the good thing about it!
xperian said:
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
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So, in your belief, FERRARIS wouldn't need a warranty because they never have to be repaired or serviced ??
And why did you pay $1000 for a phone you can get for around $600-$700 ?? (clove.co.uk, smart-mobile-gadgets.com, ebay, etc, etc)
Any why did you find panels so disgusting ??
Have you seen the tools SONY posted for free-panels development ??
I think I will start learning how to "cook panels" instead of ROMs 'cos I am in love
I absolutely agree with the OP. This will be the last Sony Ercisson phone I will buy. I bought this thing the first week it came out. I felt like I got a prototype model. Crack in the stylus housing, directional button coating peeling off. Sony have not acknowleged the problems. Also the the signal is garabage, now maybe it's HTC hardware and HTC built phone but Sony need to step up and give us some support. Also Sony suck at firmware update and fixing issue. Don't even get me started on their panels crap, I love the idea, they market the panels but they don't have any development going on. Sure they release the SDK for it but for most everyday users, we just want to go on to the website and download it, not all of us are dev. Sorry for me venting but I've had enough of Sony crap. Thank god for xda-dev, if not for these wonderful members we have here, I would probably throw this thing against the wall the first month I got it.
@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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@romeo0119: nice to know other people think the same.
@gtrab: Obviously you never used the panels before. The concept is okay, but even the Sony Ericsson default ones don't fit into that very concept (e.g. radio panel) And they are slow.
The comparison with the Ferrari: If the Ferraris had as many issues as the X1, every seconmd Ferrari would have its paint coming off in the carwash and cracks in the steering wheel after a week. AND Ferrari would say they know nothing about it. See, I don't blame SE for my broken headphone jack, that can happen. But I do blame them for the sticky thread about the cracks (20+ pages).
And about the 1000 dollars: Here in Switzerland (Europe, Google it), everything is more expensive but usually we also earn a lot more money. So 1000 is okay with me.
I just wanted to say SE did essentially nothing, all the work comes from xda-dev or HTC, so why should I buy from SE again rather than support HTC which really push the WM market?
(don't mind the mistakes, I'm writing from my X1 =))
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Hmm, just a remark - xda work is for HTC and X1 too, in fact HTC does not offer anything substantially more than X1 in any way.
As for Ferrari, actually these cars have amazing amount of issues besides their amazing engines, including buttons and controls falling apart in their control desk/interior...
I understand you somehow, however I use panels and consider them ultimately best for me, better than any UI solutions....
I disagree with most of your points but a couple. I was at the Crackberry forums and have seen the Blackberry storm receive or have leaked about 5 or so official firmware updates adding new features and fixing bugs and enhancing peeformance. We have gotten exactly zero in a longer duration of time. Now the X1 didn't have all the problems the Blackberry Storm had, but its not perfect either. I don't expect any firmware updates...SE software support isnt as good as RIMs. Luckily there is so much you can do with Windows Mobile out of the box.
Yes, we have lack of upgrades so far and that's no good.
Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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Indeed, there's plenty of ROM upgrades
CHECK HERE
Many ROMs to choose from... and this is just the beginning
Don't know if there's such a customization level on let say, a Blackberry, Nokia N97 or iPhone
I think of my Xperia as my Vaio laptop: I've never seen an upgrade, but it's a windows powerhouse and I keep cumstomizing it all the time. I don't care about "upgrdes", maybe because I've nad no problem at all
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of course there's custom roms, some working really well but not anyone whitout issues...
I think that at least SE shoudl release an update (for normal people who don't want to mess with custom roms and breaking it's warranty) to at least fix the bluetooth issue... do you think it's normal that I can't use my X1 with my bt car handsfree made by SE?
and yes, the vaio seem like a comedy... my mom got one last year and since then no updates, no bios... no drivers... we'll never get a VAIO again... we'll go for a dell like the one I have, lot's of updates, new drivers, always improving things and enhancing features.
**** SE... why the can't be like SCEE that release lot's of PS3 upgrades?.
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Dear current and future owners of X1 phones
I have come to see the truth: SE ****ed all the X1 owners (I have one too) over.
They made a cool design, let HTC do the engineering for a basic WM phone and wrote some
half-a**ed panels application for it.
They
- did not deliver the features that were promised (DLNA, PlayNow, etc),
- didn't even get the specs right in the datasheet (Version 3, long after the phone was released),
- lied to everyone about the amount of RAM ("errrm yeah it's *hidden*")
- and did not come forward with any clarifications
- or updates whatsoever.
No, they instead try to market it as "luxury".
Let me tell you: It's not. (I had to get mine repaired after 5 weeks)
Now don't get me wrong here, I like *my* X1 and I like Windows Mobile, but only
after I put all the HTC and SPB software on it I could get. And of course deleted
all the panels stuff, made ten-thousand registry tweaks etc. That can't be right, can it?
I think the average Joe with 1000$ to spend is seriously being f---ed by Sony Ericsson.
tldr;
---> NEXT TIME I'll get a real HTC device, as I want to support a company that actually
does something for us Windows Mobile users!
About me: This is my first WM device, but as a computer science student it's exactly what I want/need.
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Don't agree. Had one now for 2 months and not much wrong with it. In my humble opinion the phone goes well. You must have got a dud.
For me, X1 is the best WM Phone to date, no problem at all.
I really... and completely dont care about official update. I'll use only customized ROM anyway, cus it can go beyond any official ROM can do.
Only thing I care is how will they repair my phone when it fu.ked up.
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
fhsieh said:
I understand where OP is coming from, but let me just say this: Sony Ericsson support might suck, and the X1 may be plagued with all kinds of small problems, but you shouldn't automatically expect HTC to be any better. You should judge the phones themselves, because there are a number of problems with HTC phones too (and HTC support can also be pretty bad at times).
The only actual difference between SE and HTC is that SE has only released 1 (WinMo) phone -- whereas HTC already has dozens -- meaning the X1 alone is speaking for all of SE. It is fully possible for SE to release a X2 which completely blows everything else out of the water; if they're smart and fix all the mistakes they learned from the X1.
If you want to be rational about it, you ought to say that you'll never buy the X1 again, and just leave it at that. Depending on your expectations, it's still possible that HTC's own phones might not be good enough, at which point, several months later, you might be in the HTC threads telling everyone to boycott HTC and instead support the iPhone.
(Just kidding)
It might sound like I'm nitpicking, but rants seldom get us anywhere so it's good to take a step back and try to look at everything objectively.
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Alright, you have a point there. Three things:
- SE support was fine, I got it back repaired after 3 weeks (christmas time, so 3 weeks is okay)
- I'm not telling to boycott SE. I am merely wondering why almost everything usable comes from these forums or HTC rips. I think it would be more fair to actually buy a HTC device when using all the TouchFlo stuff and things.
- The hardware itself is about the same with HTC/SE, but I think it's the software that makes it or breaks it... I hope SE will put more effort into it with the X2.
As HTC produce X1, I think HTC also responsible for firmware development on X1 too.
It is not so difficult to understand why support on HTC branded products is better than on X1, X1 is not their brand and X1 is their competitor.
It is not good for HTC to make X1 equal or better than their own products.
Meh, I have owned over 5 Sony Ericsson cell phones so far and have had no problems with them that is until I got the Xperia! Why is the most expensive Sony Ericsson phone I have owned the worst I have ever had? This phone is not worth the $1,300CAD+ that $147 import fee I paid for it. I have waited a while trying different roms and programs before saying anything bad about it because I had hope Sony would get their act together but now...
Like its embarrassing when one of my friends are testing my Xperia out and it freezes up on them when i tell them how much I paid for it lol... I’m wondering how many times have you guys had to hard reset your Xperia’s? My Xperia works great! When I’m not using it...
Xperia Software Updated... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475482
sad to hear but then again tweak and stuff is the thigs that will hold this phone up.. find workarounds and so forth.. developers might find alternative ways for the stuff people misses on the phone.. have some faith
I kept up a list of issues on the Esato.com forums that really pissed me off with the original X2 with the factory defaults. Now i have installed the new MR1 update, and things got even WORSE!
I have now created a Facebook-group for us unhappy Experia X2 users. Please join it here if you feel so: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110270035673269
I can't find enough of swear-words and curses how much this pisses me off, so I start to keep a new list on this forum.
The phone boots slowly. The update did not decrease boot-time. Still it's like watching paint dry! This sucks especially when i have to reboot the phone almost every hour..!
Crashes, crashes, crashes. As soon as the screen get's turned off (powersave etc), the chances of the X2 to die complete is more or less 100%. It has now crashed within the last 2 hours 5 times. Calling the phone, it rings 2 seconds, then it dies totally! Do I have to tell more? This SUCKS!
PIN-code. First thing after startup, i enter the secuity-pin. After this, i get a status-screen with info about email, wlan-status etc. Where the f*ck is the PIN-code screen?? I have to klick on Phone-button to get the PIN-screen in front of me! Being busy with work, you can't sit and wait for this screen to appear. Very often i realize 15minutes later that i still have not entered my PIN-code!
SIM-Contacts. I have contacts backed up on my simcard. I have used a tool to hide these, but still some alls/screens display these contacts. It's a STUPID limitation of Windows Mobile that I hate! Please fix this stupidity
Poking around the phone, reading forums and tips, i installed the spb 3.5.2 package with the panel-launcer. removed other spb-appd etc. At some point i removed almost all spb-apps, and i noticed that the speed of the phone seemed to be extremely fast. It looks to me that the SPB-apps somehow waste the phone's memory and resources even if they are not in use. I think that one of the big resource-eater is all the SPB-packages. They are nice eyecandy, but they are definitively not optimized for the Xperia X2. I think that SonyEricsson has to force SPB Software to optimize their bloated code!!
searching and dialing contacts is just a PITA! (Pain In The Ass). Cumsy user-interface, and not all functioning. The lag after picking the contacts number makes me often belive that i have not succeeded in hitting the number to call.. This results that when the phone finally figures out that i punched a number to call, in the next screen it get's hanged up, cause it registers a click on the red hangup-bar..!
I will update some more issues when i get some more time!
Cu!
René
Try to get this picked up by Engadget. Send the editors a tip or something.
Just take X2 for decoration only because it is beautiful. Get a glass box and put X2 in it. X2 is not for telecomunication use.
Check item before pay. Check specification before use.
Well, your advice are definitively meant for people concidering buying the phone now. I already bought it when it was released in sweden, and there where no updated reviews available at that time
The hardware and specs should be enough, but i did not think that Sony Ericsson could mess up the xperia x2 this bad!
Next week i'm going to bring the phone to the sony ericsson service, and if they can't fix the phones stability then I'm concidering bringing the phone back to the shop where i bought it from, and demanding my money back! Seriously!
An expensive businessphone that does not work as expected, is not worth ****!
cant say i noticed it booting any slower after the mr1 update. or any extra crashes.. try removing anything you definately dont need. panels and software.
the main annoyance i now notice is the keyboard lag in the sms application. was fine before!
Try change MicroSD to a new, or from other device
I changed memory card from Xperia X1, restart device, and all problems gone I'm also with MR1...
My phone is with all original apps, and nothing is added or removed. Crashing and hanging constantly. I'm now having my business-number ringing in the great k800i. Now i can be sure that i wont miss any calls...
I did not manage to bring my phone to the SE-service centre on friday, and upcoming week i wont have the possibility to do it either, so i have to wait one week before i can drop the phone for checkup..
Ok.
Right now I'm extensively testing X2 when using ONLY
standard WM Homescreen.
No TileWave Panel in usage.
SPB and City & Growing Panels removed..
So far so good.
Will report back....
New solution??
I have now tested to turn off the advanced battery option where the phone switches off the screen after eg. 2 minutes, and put it to go into standby in 40 seconds. This has not crashed the phone at all during the last 2 hours!
I'll tell some more if the phone is still alive tomorrow morning!
i got random freeze and slowness on my x1, my old asus p525 and a lot of WM pda,
AND 99% was the problem a corrupted sd card (so i change or formated the card) and all my problems were gone.
hope that will help
sx1-doc said:
i got random freeze and slowness on my x1, my old asus p525 and a lot of WM pda,
AND 99% was the problem a corrupted sd card (so i change or formated the card) and all my problems were gone.
hope that will help
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Well OK, these things happen too.
However there's a specific pattern when these freezes appear.
So it doesn't look like that really.
The amount of users experiencing IDENTICAL issues
is significant. I mean I didn't find a person
who using extensively X2 would not find all of the descibed problems.
So sorry, I don't think we all have memory card problems collectively
Here's my theory, for what it's worth:
- Because SE had the X1 made by HTC, they were assisted 95% by HTC in creating WM software that worked
- For some crazy reason, they switched to a manufacturer that, to my knowledge, does not make WM phones. Now we have SE, a company that knows very little about WM, + Foxconn, a company that knows very little about WM. Not a good combo.
- Now SE is on it's own to make the software work. That is, there are 3 college grad Sony software engineers sitting in cubicles trying to translate a copy of "Visual Studio for Dummies" into Japanese. Good luck.
If SE had stuck with HTC, the X2 could have basically been the HD2 slide, and it would have been the best smartphone on the market. It's easy to second-guess, but their leadership does not look good.
yes but if HTC had made the X2 then it would of fallen apart by now lol. im glad sony ditched them. anyway, sony wrote the software for the X1 not HTC.. so it wouldnt of made much difference if they had used HTC again. even with its bugs, the X2 is still far more stable than the X1 in most aspects, especially the phone side of things.
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yes but if HTC had made the X2 then it would of fallen apart by now lol. im glad sony ditched them. anyway, sony wrote the software for the X1 not HTC.. so it wouldnt of made much difference if they had used HTC again. even with its bugs, the X2 is still far more stable than the X1 in most aspects, especially the phone side of things.
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Excuse me but what are you talking about?
X2 is the only device I had which can freeze 10 times in 10 minutes.
X1 freezed maybe 10 times in total through 17 months.
And always BECAUSE of something.
I agree - it's better HTC did not manufacture this,
however on the software side: it would WORK!
I hope you guys receive your Custom roms soon. Maybe chefs will iron all the bad stuff from SE.
X2 seems to be a nice looking brick right now. I'll buy it after custom ROMs appear.
But guys, look at the good part, it doesn't have SOD issue .
No no no.
Custom ROMs may be my choice or not, it's our personal thing.
************* SE has to do it right when I pay for
the ************* product.
I bet the problem with X2 is that S-E decided to make too many phones with different systems.
"Let's make Windows Mobile smartphones! And Symbian phones! And Android phones! And continue to make dumbphones*! Well... we also have to watch our costs, so let's not hire additional engineers and testers, let our great marketing make for out lousy software development!"
*Which work the most flawlessly.
Biges said:
I bet the problem with X2 is that S-E decided to make too many phones with different systems.
"Let's make Windows Mobile smartphones! And Symbian phones! And Android phones! And continue to make dumbphones*! Well... we also have to watch our costs, so let's not hire additional engineers and testers, let our great marketing make for out lousy software development!"
*Which work the most flawlessly.
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Yup, exactly right. Specialization is the key to quality nowadays.
I know this is not relevant to the post, but does anyone has facebook panel working on the X2 after MR1? also does anyone have a copy of the CNN Panel they could send me?
bob2k4 said:
I know this is not relevant to the post, but does anyone has facebook panel working on the X2 after MR1? also does anyone have a copy of the CNN Panel they could send me?
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Nope. I don't have the CNN....
And I think - as was posted on SE Blogs - WM 6.5.2
has some changes inside which probably disable those Panels.
It's also ridiculous each time we get LESS Panels,
not more!
I remember the panels competition some time ago
but never saw the awarded ones available!