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Good Day to you all.
This is my first post here as i joined just now because of an ongoing promo on XDA2 and P900 in SMART Philippines.
I am a avid :shock: SMARTPHONE user, Tanager E100, is and was my previous unit UNTIL im gonna decide to go for either XDA2 or P900.
Now, I wouldn't have registered here if I didn't LIKE the XDA2, however since MOST of you here are already experienced users, I would like to ask ALL of you TO HELP me COMPARE the two units and SHOW the GOOD as well as the BAD sides of each. Pocket PC / Communicators are a new field for me as I am a SMARTPHONE user.
Thats where I need your INPTS. Thank you.
It really depends on whether you want a fantastic pda with a built in phone function (XDAII) or a phone with a built in pad function (P900). The 'built in' part being compromised on both machines.
I personally have have all of Nokia's Communicator series and both types of XDA and having seen and used a friend's P900, I would definately recommend the XDAII.
Thanks, I need more info though.
Thanks, Now for Techies, The SPECS say that:
XDA2 has 400MHZ Intel PSX??? processor whereas SE P900 has 154Mhz ARM10 processor. How does this compare?
This sounds like comparing a MAC and a PENTIUM based PC does it?
And which has the larger market support Windows Mobile 2003 or Symbian Technology?
Hope I get your comments, Thanks.
chameleon
They're both ARM processors, so no it's not like the difference between 680??/PowerPC MACs and 80x86/Pentium IBM PCs - There is a REAL speed difference here.
I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I would think that the 'largest' market base is with Symbian as it's used in lots of phones and not just the P800/P900s (they're just the top end). Consider that most of the current Nokia (who are the largest global supplier of mobile phones) use the Symbian OS and that there are FAR more Mobile Phones than PDAs
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I'd have to disagree with that view, yes there are more Symbian based phones than there are WM2003 based phones but only a few Symbian handsets have any real PDA functionality.
The PocketPC userbase is vast and growing with a huge array of applications, utilities etc, far in excess of that available for P800/P900's.
Griffog,
I agree, when comparing P800/P900 numbers to Pocket PC numbers then there are far more Pocket PCs .... Although I wouldn't like to guess that this were true for Pocket PC Mobiles.
Yes, there would be a far greater range of applications for Pocket PCs although far fewer mobile specific ones.
At the end of the day, I'd personally choose an XDA type device - I just wish that the specification meant that you didn't loose all your software/data when the device ran out of power - In this day and age that is quite simply rediculous!!!
Thanks a lot folks, JWEATHALL and GRIFFOG and XDA-ROCKS
British/English Folks help a lot, dont they? im still waiting for replies from other nationalities.
You've CONVINCED me. Though I needed less convincing anyway, as I was inching towards having an O2 XDA II as offered by our service provider here.
My XDA II will be arriving shortly and I cant wait. :wink: :wink:
Now the FUN part, trying to understand how it works, with my smartphone background, i know it would be easy, but its not going to be a walk in the park.
My favorite amd very useful apps in smartphone are:
1. PHM Registry Editor (for cool tweaking)
2. Smart Explorer
3. SP Task Manager
4. Mitac Phonebackup
5. Pocket TV and MVP
6. Sprite Backup
7. Twyx Imeter
8. Nintendo Emulator
Are these EASILY available for XDA2?
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Im looking forward to GREAT PDA functions from my XDA, would greatly appreciate the MS Office apps.
Im planning to buy :shock: Wi-Fi SD expansion card :shock: , which I will use to our Wi-Fi server, is it easy to setup?
Id appreciate the replies. Thanks again
You're in for a treat - most of those apps are available for PocketPC and if you're into emulators there's even freeware emu's for the Playstation and Gameboy Advance
@chameleon,
Welcome aboard!!!
I used to have a P800 (wich is very close to the P900)... I was really into Sony Ericsson phones/pdas, I even have a portal dedicated to them... www.sonyericssonfans.com
But I really went ahead switched to the MDA2 and love every bit of it...
Lots of software and emulators!!!!
Let us know what you think once you have it...
Rayan
you wont have a problem working the XDA if you know how to use a windows pc
the SPV series is hard to set up and configure compared to the XDA as you can touch whats on screen and not having to navigate through menus all the time
gaz
I was there. I got XDA2 as soon as it was released in Dubai. Then, P900 came out and I've sold XDA2 and got P900. It's a very cool device, specially 5 way jog - it is something every PDA maker should license from Sony, IMHO. Functionality wise I wasn't very impressed. And the most annoying part was BT. They just hate each other - P900 and HBH-65
Back to XDA2 now and more hat happy with it. Really hope that SE will bring functional BT and better dialer.
Hi, All out there
I am also a NewBie here. Happily came here with a good chance, I have learned a lot from here although not long. I had bought an O2 XDA2 for my wife and I am going to buy another one for myself. I am going to dwelling deeply into it technically. The bad side of this stuff, my personal feeling, is that they only implement one SD slot. If they can implement it with two SD slots, then things would be much more wonderful.
missa,
i think there is a BACKPACK accessory than you ca purchase for your XDA 2, it contains 2 SD/MC slots and an additional BATT, plus an RCA jack??, not sure with this.
Thanks FOLKS, i have my XDA already and im tinkering with it right now.
This is GREAT. hehehe.
Ive got a P800 and I want to go for a XDA something, I might wait for the XDA3, I need something with Wifi and the new P910 just doesnt have it and you cant get extra wifi with the sony memorystick duo! which sucks a little.
Yes the 5 way jog dial from sony is totaly cool and just great for doing stuff with one hand, only real good thing about the phone. As for a PDA device, its not that great! I try and use it to the max but the screen is just that little to small to do most things with!
Use an XDA II at the moment, still stuggling to get it to upgrade to SE at the moment. Sort of an intrim measure, untill I decide what to uprade to next. However because I use it with a WiFi card & pocket Skype, my upgrade options are limited.
Have always loved the I-Mate Jam, since its launch, especially its looks & size. However here in Great Britain O2 in all there wisdow decided not to launch the XDA mini so ended up sticking with my XDA II.
Now O2 tell me they will not be providing the XDA mini at all & instead they will be launching the I-Mate Wizard instead late in October or early November.
My thoughts on this go like this, don't really need the keyboard but I can take it or leave it, as long as it is well made & does not make the whole unit excessively fragile.
Built in WiFi, brilliant as I now don't have to have a half inch of my SD card hanging out of the top of my phone, great.
The CPU speed, this is the killer for me, Pocket Skype requires 400mhz or more according to the Skype website, & life without pocket Skype would be unbearable & needlesly expensive .
Does anyone else like me think tbere is a conspiracy going on with the providers strategicly selecting hardware to in one way or another stop us using Pocket Skype. Either the unit is to big to be comfortable & fashionable (the XDA IIi), No WiFi & two littfe memory (the I-Mate Jam), or worst of all not enough CPU speed to run pocket Skype (the HTC Wizard.
All this has firmly made me believe that the Holy Grail of PDA/Phones that I believe we are looking for is:
The Current I-Mate Jam with the following updatey:
128 Megs Ram
Built in WiFi
Windows Mobile 2005.
Wlth two added small hot keys
Slightly faster CPU.
No added keyboard to keep slze as small as is possible.
I am sure I am not the only one wbo feels this & I am sure I would just be one of the many tbousands in the stampede to get hold of this mythical but oh so wanted Devices.
So what is what is left for me to do, keep using my XDA II, hopefully managing to upgrade it to WM2003SE, in the meantime.
And if there really are no CPU upgrades when the Wizard is finally released, hock & sell all I can find to buy a. sim free 128 Meg I-Mate Jam, begrudgingly.
Love to hear other peoples comments on this matter jost to assure myself that I am not the only one who feels this way, or who can give me the dowload address of the combined WM2003SE ROM.
Kind Regards all, Ash'e
PocketPCItalia reviewed the Wizard on their site and were able to use Skype on it, they said they had no problems running it. I don't know the link to the article, but you can find the link on HowardForums somewhere in the Wizard/Qtek9100 threads.
Even someone on the WIKI has reported Skype works (though you need to turn off echo cancellation since this takes a lot of processing power).
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Even someone on the WIKI has reported Skype works (though you need to turn off echo cancellation since this takes a lot of processing power).
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Linky ?
Terran
Is this our Holy Grail.
Thanks guys it gives me some hope, but when push comes to I still feel we are all being asked to compromise, the XDA mini was an awsome bit of kit, in many ways far superior to the wizard, in size & processing power, I now have to take a cut in CPU power on my new upgrade phone instead of getting more power, which you would expect with the march of technology & all that.
So I ask the question again, I really do feel we nearly had our holy grail in the XDA Mini, & where left short in the last furlong, when a well thought out upgrade as descríbed in my previous posting was all it would have taken to produce what I feel would have been a benchmark style icon & a runaway sales success even more than it is anyway,
I really do feel that the HTC are trading of with the air time providers to delay Skype becoming the runaway cost saving mobile call preventing success it is going to be.
Kind Regards
Ash'e
My god someone with my same thoughts. I want a SPV M500 (XDA mini, jam etc) for the size but a slower processor ? and Orange want £180 to upgrade!!!!
Don't start me with that treating exsisting customers like new ones come on i've been with Orange for 10 yrs. But take a new contract and you get the phone for £80 or free! depending what traffic you choose. Stinks !!!!!!
WIKI: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
Also... someone posted on a forum about how much more efficient the OMAP processor is compared to the Intel series: http://www.smartdevicesdirect.com/forum/showpost.php?p=127&postcount=3
Very encouraging!
I've found my Holy Grail!
Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.
In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:
One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.
Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.
They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.
So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.
Kind Regards Ash'e
Re: I've found my Holy Grail!
sion said:
Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.
In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:
One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.
Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.
They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.
So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.
Kind Regards Ash'e
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As per the other thred, contact details, pics, website ?
Terran
I've found my Holy Grail!
Well what a difference in I.T. life a couple of days makes, Two days ago I was panicking about having to upgrade to a HTC Wizard with all it's underlying, associated buíld/development problems, and now I am sat here with my own & what I feel is many other people's PDA Holy Grail in my hand.
In my hand I have a I-Mate Jam, but with a couple or three big differences:
One it has 128 Megs of Ram.
Two it has built in WiFi
Three it has a 2 GIG SD Card plugged in that works.
Now I might add that this is not my Jam, However the little known about UK based company that has produced it are quite willing to customise one for me if I can lay my hands on one in the next week or so.
They will also be offering it as a commercial service over the net as of November this year.
So my dear friends, fellow bookworms, frustrated burglers, affronted policemen or city gents with titly furled umbrella's, I am glad I have joined & listened to you all so many times but I am afraid I won't be joining you just yet in your wizardly new worlds now that I have found my own personal PDA Val-Hala. Long live the 128 Meg WiFi enabled Jam, who knows we may even be able to get WM2005 on it yet, that really would be something, & a right kick up the hind quarters for HTC.
Kind Regards Ash'e
I'm torn. Really torn.... anyone else facing this dilemma?
1) Do you want a keyboard? Yes->Question 2, No->Athena.
2) Can you wait until sometime in 2006? Yes->Hermes, No->Wizard.
That would be my logic.
I haven't heard about the Hermes......
I do want a keyboard. I bought my BlueAngel for that reason. However with the advent of the I-Tap input thing I would prob be ok without one.
Suppose I now have a third option to contemplate.
Hermes?
Lewis
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=730935
Some information for you:
Athena: XScale processor at 400Mz, EDGE, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, FM Radio, and a 2.1MP camera. No keyboard, just like the Magician, but it will be slimmer than it.
Hermes: just like Wizard, but has UMTS, front-facing camera, and a 2.1MP rear camera.
Not sure if they're dropping EDGE to put in UMTS, or if it will be a USA-friendly UMTS (unlikely, since we don't have our act together yet).
So, the Hermes is the Wizard's answer to the Universal, and the Athena is the sequel to the JAM.
I am unfamiliar with what EDGE and UMTS are..
However i gather they are some kind of 3G based technology, which I am not all that interested in.
I gather the Hermes will be a sort of 3G version of the Wizard. As I said i am not interested in 3G yet as i can't really see a use for it. As for an FM radio thats outdated now anyway! Surely it should have been a Digial Radio!!
In light of this I'll probably end up buying a Wizard. it suites my needs (because its basially a new Blue Angel) and I could do with a phone soon as my BA has almost toally packed up. But theres still nagging part of me that says may-be hold on for the Hermes.
Slightly off topic but I also breiefly considered the Universal. Until I realised it was THE single most ugly thing on the planet... seriously.
Lewis
Its not ugly, just huge!
I think it's both!
Especially when it's closed. Theres too much blank space around the screen....eww.
But anyway tis only my personal opinion ;-)
Lewis
Is there any hope Athena will be released before the end of the year?
O2 Said the Athena would be realeased about the 30th of October
O2 Said the Athena would be realeased about the 30th of October
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O2 Said the Athena would be realeased about the 30th of October
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You mean O2 Asia? This is good news, but I was rather referring to the release of a US or Europe model (SIM-unlocked). Any announced release date?
Decions,.Decisions.
The release of the news about the Athena, or XDA Atom, has completely confused me to.
However I have managed to rationalized it this way.
With intellipad, quickwiting, software, (especially quick writing, once you get used to it) and my think outside blue tooth fold out keyboard. don't really need keyboard.
Besides which it looks pretty fragile and it is just another thing that can go wrong or brake.
Without the keyboard I also get a smaller slimmer far more pocketable device to boot with a much stronger all metal case to boot (shame they did not keep the silver brushed aluminium).
What else do I gain, well a much faster CPU, a far superior camera and a proper SD card slot over the wizard, ard 128 Megs of ram, the long awaited in built WiFI, a built in radio and of course WM2005 over the Magacian,
So the choice for me will be to hang onto my XDA II for now and hang on for the XDA Atom to arrive in the UK, I just hope it does and I can get one on 02 contract to save myself a few pennies.
Thank for the chat guys
Regards Ash'e.
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Nope this what what I got from O2 UK. They said it was the tennative release date.
Lewis
Re: Decions,.Decisions.
Hey Sion
sion said:
The release of the news about the Athena, or XDA Atom, has completely confused me to.
However I have managed to rationalized it this way.
With intellipad, quickwiting, software, (especially quick writing, once you get used to it) and my think outside blue tooth fold out keyboard. don't really need keyboard.
Besides which it looks pretty fragile and it is just another thing that can go wrong or brake.
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I completely disagree. I have had my Blue Angel for a year and the keyboard is invaluable. I can type rediclously fast on it ;-)
Intelipad and Quickwriting etc. will never compare to an actual hardware keyboard. I use my phone to send 100s of SMSs a day (no really). Could NEVER do that without a proper hardware keyboard.
sion said:
What else do I gain, well a much faster CPU, a far superior camera and a proper SD card slot over the wizard, ard 128 Megs of ram, the long awaited in built WiFI, a built in radio and of course WM2005 over the Magacian,
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The processor in the Wizard has actually been benchmarked to be quite good. As someone else said in this forumn one day people will realise you cant just measure processing speeds in clock cycles. Take it from an Athlon 64 owner!
As for the camera they tend to be sh*t on all pocket pc devices becuse of the lense they put on them. Resolution doesnt come into it most of the time.
For me wanting a keyboard I think I'll probably get a wizard because it's a smaller version of my Blue Angel. Though it'll probably be on ebay when the Hermes comes out
Lewis
Have you tried Quickwriting Yet!
It may seem strange but I can beat most people on a slide out keyboard using quickwriting, it takes quite a lot of getting used to but once you get the knack it is unbelievabley quick.
You never take your stylus of the pad and it very quickly forms a highly efficient shorthand as you start to use it properly.
give it a try, don't try to rush & practice a litte bit each day and I guarantee that you will be pleasantly surprised within a couple of weeks plus because you don't take you're stylus of the pad you can use it on moviny London buses, whilst you are stood up in rush hour traffic between stops like I am now..
Regard Ash'e
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Nope this what what I got from O2 UK. They said it was the tennative release date.
Lewis
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It has not even been announced yet by O2 UK: will they really release a phone less than one month after announcement?
Are O2 phones sim-locked?
They Want it, just can't get it.
Just finished having supper with an O2 UK director (not marketing Dept), it appears that they do feel that that the XDA Atom, is going to be the ultimate lifestyle device & accessory, and a little more robust & a tadge more pocket friendly than the wizard & they are going to eventually add it to there UK product portfolio.
However with the device not even released yet & no real UK release dates truthfully on the horizon, & in there words: "our current XDA range is becoming slightly dated & cumbersome", they need to do something, and the Exec & Mini Pro appear to be the temporary solutions, until the Atom is released that is.
So I will forgoe the Mini Pro for now & stick to my dated XDA IIs in the hope that they secure some Atom stock and release dates soon, also have spoken to people who already have their Wizards and the general concensus is that the slide out keyboard is very fragile, so I think it is time to start investigating when & how to lay my hands on an XDA Atom. I still want that holy grail of smartphones & I think the Atom is going to be pretty damn close to it so.
It always taken more courage to dare to be right, than fear to be wrong.
So by hook or by crook Atom it is then.
Regards Ash'e
Hmmm.
I remain unconvinced by the Atom/Athena.
If I wait for anything I'll wait for the Hermes. It actually brings something new to the table.
Decisions Decisions!
Lewis
ATHENA
THE GODDESS OF WISDOM WHO WILL REIGN OVER ALL.
BLESS-UP.
Things look clearer now
After reading the reviews other people have given about there Recently purchased Wizards on the other forum I passed this comment:
Fantastic reviews chaps, everything I wanted to here, so in light of all that when and how can we all get our hands on HTC Athenas or XDA Atoms, it would appear every gripe here would be answered quite easily by purchasing an Atom, better size, lack of keyboard, faster CPU, more robust and ergonomic build and feel, 2.0 camera, these are you're thoughts not mine, all we all really wanted anyway was a HTC Magician with Built in WiFi, 128 megs of ram and WM2005 and in the Atom were getting it and a few extra bits all in that Magician size we new & loved.
As I said in a previous post: It always takes more courage to dare to be right, than fear to be wrong.
Regards Ash'e
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a T-Mobile MDA Pro in the near future, but I am somewhat doubting wether I should.
Toi me, the 640x480 screen made me decide to go for the MDA Pro instead of the MDA Vario (Wizard).
I currently own a Nokia 9500 device, but it doesn't quite cut it:
- It's fairly slow, starting up the calendar takes 2 to 5 seconds, even if I keep it loaded it will take at least 2 seconds to redraw the GUI.
- Symbian (esp S80) is very incompatible, most symbian progs are for the S60 series, and there isn't a lot to find for Symbian S80
- Programming on it sucks, Symbian C++ seems to date from pre-ansi, and it's a pain to work with. I have tried it but gave up, and a lot of people I spoke to said Symbian programming is hell.
- Then Java is incredibly slow. This is my only programming language available atm on this device, and a program, even just "hello world" will take at least 10 seconds to boot, during which the device will be completely locked.
- The camera quality is horrific.
- No jackplug for normal headphones, and no pre-made converter available. Also the Nokia pop-port headphones tend to get off very easily after which it keeps playing at the same volume, but trough the system speakers. (which will result in the whole bus looking at you! )
Anyway, this kind of summarizes what I pay attention to.
If I buy an MDA Pro, I will be using it to phone, games (emulators & OpenTTD), internet (loads of MSN too), and some programming. I will mostly use the calendar and notepad for School.
What I've heard from the MDA Pro that I don't quite like but can't confirm
- Supposedly slow
- No way to attach mass-storage (like USB) with a converter.
Now I would very much appreciate if you as owners of the HTC Universal could give me some advice on this. I really don't know if this device is as good as it sounds, or not. and if I buy it, it's too late because I will have to sell my old N9500 and I would have to sign for 1 year t-mobile :/
Thank you in advance,
TB
First: don't buy MDA Pro!!! Buy XDA Exec, even if it has all the same annoying bugs, at least it looks good! :wink:
Second: Answers to your questions can be EASILY found on this forum, even in posts from last week so please, take a time and respect other's time and read it through.
1) yes, it's not a speed demon, but there are some ways to make it acceptable
2) No, (at least not yet) you can't attach any external drives to the Universal.
But it's definitely much better than Nokia 9500!
rottie said:
First: don't buy MDA Pro!!! Buy XDA Exec, even if it has all the same annoying bugs, at least it looks good! :wink:
Second: Answers to your questions can be EASILY found on this forum, even in posts from last week so please, take a time and respect other's time and read it through.
1) yes, it's not a speed demon, but there are some ways to make it acceptable
2) No, (at least not yet) you can't attach any external drives to the Universal.
But it's definitely much better than Nokia 9500!
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Thanks for the info, I kinda got both of those answers before, but in some forum topics I didn't quite trust (they seemed very biased).
I was actually looking for other things that I might have overlooked, or something that I didn't like about my nokia that wouldn't be solved on a Universal...
XDA Exec is more appealing to look at, I admit, but can you get the tariff to match your needs? I found web n walk from T-mob to be the best all round tariff. Might be different for you and your needs, but please look beyond the colour of the phone case.
HIH
Joe
joebongo said:
XDA Exec is more appealing to look at, I admit, but can you get the tariff to match your needs? I found web n walk from T-mob to be the best all round tariff. Might be different for you and your needs, but please look beyond the colour of the phone case.
HIH
Joe
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That's the reason I'm sticking to T-Mobile: It has "Pocket Internet Totaal" in the Netherlands for 10E a month, unlimited internet access capped to 64kbps
(While my current operator charges 3E per MB)
Universal/Jasjar/Qtek 9000 - too slow and heavy
I've had in the past the original XDA, then the II then the IIi.
I recently gave away my IIi and bought a Qtek 9000.
The Qtek 9000, after a few days trial, is going back!
In my humble opinion it's way too slow, and the size and weight are too much too carry it casually. As a mobile office for a patient touch-typist with tiny fingers it might be the business but it's not really a pocket creature.
The XDAIIi was perfect and I miss it! I'm going to order the Atom instead but would have no qualms about buying another XDA IIi if needs be.
Just my tuppence worth! No offence meant to Jasjar fans!
Best regards to all!
I would suggest to review again the installed applications.
From the beggining of this week I replaced Pocket Breeze with Calendar Plus and SPB Pocket Plus with VijayOKButt and VijayTrayLaunch and hey - now you can finally see that 520Mhz!!! What an improvement!! It's so much faster, especially the screen rotation. And you save about 4MB of memory not mentioning that these applications that I installed are free.
I still have my XDA IIi together with EXEC and sorry, but I just couldn't come back to QVGA :wink: .
I've just received an extra battery for my Exec bought of Ebay, now I'm just waiting for Vijay to find out the way to enable the keys while the lid is closed and then I'll be one happy Exec user! (oh well, until the summer when I'll have to think how to carry it wearing shorts :lol: )
after playing with the sidekick 3 (i am testing one of our store demos), i can't help but to feel depressed. i look at my 8125 with a soft resentment that wasn't there before... angry at how she's sluggish, not nearly as zippity zoom fly as the sidekick 3, angry at how i have tried to use several chat programs (veri, im+, agile, oz) on her but yet, nothing's nearly as efficient and smooth as the sk3, or even sk2 for that matter.
i love my 8125 for all that she is, a huge bloated wm5 machine that can play great videos and can open up my excel documents... but hate her for sucking at everything else including being a phone. at least the sk3 is zippier, faster, and all around a much better phone than the wizard will or could ever be.
these are just my two cents. i will continue to use both, but eventually i will end up wearing my spandex-pleather tights that will only allow me to carry one phone, and then, i won't know which to choose...
theorist said:
but eventually i will end up wearing my spandex-pleather tights that will only allow me to carry one phone, and then, i won't know which to choose...
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um...tmi.
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I have to agree at least with the sentiment that although HTC are great at pushing Win Mobile along, hardware innovation is limited. However, they've got most of the market already, so pressure on innovation is limited. Other OEMs might innovate, but still, the SideKick is a brand, not just hardware for a platform, so they can afford to box you in to a limited, but very good platform. However, we buy chunky phones, clunky phones, even crap phones, because we want the freedom to do more, as you say.
However, in a generation or few, we should be happy with better hardware. However, it's only 3rd party products like Thumb Magic etc that are really going to make the WinMob platforms more user friendly. MS can't afford to dilute its UI.
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The sidekick can't synch up with outlook though and download corporate e-mail like the Wizard. That is a big thing.
how about all other features man...
u can install all those .cab files and customize ur wizard.. i m not sure if we can do this in sk2/3
having a wifi is too a gr8 thng. i m not facing any issues with my wizard as a phone. for most of the issues we can find the work arounds and tweaks in this forum. this forum rocks..
hope u will like the wizard as u start playing with it...
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The sidekick can't synch up with outlook though and download corporate e-mail like the Wizard. That is a big thing.
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heya. it can sync up with outlooks contacts and todo through their own program that comes with it.
Alternative views http://uk.gizmodo.com/2006/07/13/sidekick_3_the_good_bad_and_ug.html
But...it runs on JAVA :?
Speed also an issue for ex palm OS users
The Wizard device pretty much sucks when it comes to speed. I have found that leaving your programs running almost always solves the problem of slow loading apps. I barely overclock my device (Only set to 204). The latest rom 2.3 by summiter is also a godsend. Faster resets and UI makes this rom a definite upgrade requirement for anyone with an original cingular rom device. the only wish I have is that the device have more program memory so I can leave more items running. Also active sync brings this device to a stand still. The palm OS devices are lightning fast compared to this device. The only benefits the WM5 device has is a better web browser and built in Wifi. Everyone on the forums mentions multitasking but the majority of palm os programs save their current state when switching between apps so its not a real issue.
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pmuller said:
The sidekick can't synch up with outlook though and download corporate e-mail like the Wizard. That is a big thing.
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heya. it can sync up with outlooks contacts and todo through their own program that comes with it.
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but it will never allow me to edit/delete/send e-mails from my outlook server the way that a windows mobile device does. even the blackberry doesn't do it quite as well wirelessly.
I ordered a sidekick 3 the day it was avaliable to me and I got it. I played around on it for a while, and i noticed that it was not that much different than my sidekick 2. just added faster internet, better camera, and MP3 player.
right after I ordered it... i was looking on some Sidekick 3 forums and i noticed people comparing it to the wizard. (which i am going to buy in a couple days).
well I was researching both of the phones... the wizard has pretty much every feature that the Sidekick 3 has, and the sidekick 3 has far far far fewer features than the MDA (HTC Wizard).
Anyway, the little while I was playing with the sidekick 3... it just wasn't worth all that money... seriously, i would want at lease Zoom in the camera... and it isn't a video camera, or anything. MDA is where it is at.
The 8125 is truely the best phone I have ever owned... however I have owned a Sidekick 2 and it was an amazing data device - as a phone, it sucked.
Keyboard on SK2 ... awesome!!!
Keyboard on Treo 650... pretty darn good.
Keyboard on 8125, inconvienent... I find myself typing with the stylus and on-screen keyboard more then I flip it out.
I love my 8125 a lot, but IMHO, it's not the best for typing... plus camera is a major dissapointment.
no offence but to me sidekicks are gay ass little phones. nothing wrong with being gay but having a phone with limited software capabilities is so dumb i don't know what to add. a phone should be universal add and remove, hack and the list continues .................sidekick = 70% & wizard =90%. the .9% being microsoft sucks and HTC's hardware kinda sucks.
I have nothing against Sidekicks. Danger and T-Mobile are addressing a specific portion of the market dead-on with this phone. Sidekicks are sort of fashion statements, for those who want a phone just because Paris or Britney have one. Add to it the my.t-mobile.com stuff for backups, and it makes that market segment very happy. Kudos to Danger and T-mobile for addressing that part of the customer base.
For the limited, non-upgradable, subset of features it has compared to a WM5 device, The SK3 does them well. Danger also put a good amount of effort into making the phone as idiot-proof as possible. For this market segment, ease of use is everything.
I am glad that T-Mobile has very separate phones for the two market segments, because it would plain suck if they dumbed-down a MDA or SDA to a device that celebrity wannabees stick rhinestones and faceted crystals on.
In any case, the Sidekick line isn't a threat to devices like what HTC, Palm, HP, or RIM make. In fact, use of one likely will end up steering users to WM5 phones when they outgrow the Sidekick's fixed and limited capabilities.
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I ordered a sidekick 3 the day it was avaliable to me and I got it. I played around on it for a while, and i noticed that it was not that much different than my sidekick 2. just added faster internet, better camera, and MP3 player.
right after I ordered it... i was looking on some Sidekick 3 forums and i noticed people comparing it to the wizard. (which i am going to buy in a couple days).
well I was researching both of the phones... the wizard has pretty much every feature that the Sidekick 3 has, and the sidekick 3 has far far far fewer features than the MDA (HTC Wizard).
Anyway, the little while I was playing with the sidekick 3... it just wasn't worth all that money... seriously, i would want at lease Zoom in the camera... and it isn't a video camera, or anything. MDA is where it is at.
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Amen.