Hi
I have an XDA for over a year and am very happy and impressed with it.
I am looking forward to the new XDA II and am almost certainly going to get one. Before I fork out for one I have considered buying a Sony Ericsson P800 which has similar functionality.
I know the XDA II runs on WMPPC 2003 and the P800 runs on the symbian platform, but this doesnt mean a lot to me.
Could anyone suggest in suer terms the differences and dis / advantages of one device over the other.
Thaks for your time if you can help !
Cheers
Ric
For my 2 cents worth.........the XDA is compatable with a plethora of software across the spectrum, games, comms, databases, etc etc, the amount of freeware for the ppc platform is staggering. If you use your machine for the inbuilt functionality then it makes no difference, but I use mine for allsorts, including GPS navigation, it cost a very small amount to add the hardware and the software is freely available or very cheap. Also with the launch of the XDA2 it usually follows that the XDA1 will come down in price. I just bought a new XDA, boxed immaculate for £150, now that is value. You may have noticed, I admire this little machine greatly, I also admire the people that are able to add usability and value to it by sheer determination coupled with amazing technical know how. If the manufacturer of the XDA teamed up with the XDA developers we would see something special.
One of my friends bought a P800 and had loads of probs with it. They replaced the unit a couple of times and then he sent it back and replaced it with an IPAQ and a bluetooth phone combi.
I have both the XDA and the p800. Let me start by saying that the XDA wins without a doubt.
If you are looking for a phone with some PDA functions, then go for the p800. If you use your pda alot, the XDA is for you.
I found the p800 to be too slow as a PDA. Using downloaded apps are problematic, and of course, the amount of software available is limited when compared to pocketpc.
Crusin Thru, SPS and XDA Rocks,
Thanks for takin the time to reply. As you are unanimous in your opinions you have convinced me.
The XDA II it is !
You can preorder them from a number of online suppliers, but my favourite is www.expansys.com. Great site with excellent info and Customer service.
Once again thanks for you input
Cheers Ric.
PS Perhaps as expected at this site.............Nobody thought the P800 was the best!
I AM DEBATING WHICH PDA TO PURCHASE EITHER AN XDA2 OR THE P900, I PREFER THE XDA2 BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE ALOT MORE SOFTWARE AVAILABLE ON THE SYMBIAN OS. SO I WAS WONDERING IF I COULD RUN THE SYMBIAN OS ON THE XDA2. APPOLOGIES IF THIS IS A DUMB QUESTION, IM NEW TO THIS! PS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN BUY A QTEK2020:?
Symbian or WM2003?! Please!
I suspect you are coming from a Symbian background. Buy XDA2. Inspite of all what you might have heard, MS Windows Mobile beats any other Mobile OS. I talk as a person who had gone through all there is, Psion 5mx, m130, Treo 180, Sony Clie NR70V, Ipaq, XDA etc. I actually prefer XDA1 to P900. WM may have fewer number of software titles (though I doubt that strongly) but it has the most EXCITING collection.
Symbian vs MS Mobile
Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
Also, the OS is by far more stable than Windows and generally more easy to learn and maintain.
But, unfortunately, many of the exciting applications as Abbas points out are running Windows Mobile, so this is where I am at the moment.
I would love a Symbian PDA with XDA II capabilities, perhaps the next Nokia Communicator. At the moment I very satisfied with my XDA II
Abbas: I love your tag line, I quite agree, Palestine has been used for decades as an excuse to commit violence. I wish they could come to an agreement down there.
Regards
Michael
Correct
You got my tilt correct. Symbian may be everything that you have said, but I found windows mobiles softwares better, and I also hate symbian phone makers lack of standard. Nokia or siemens will use multimedia card, while SonyErricson stuck to ultra propietary memory stick duo. If you change from XDA to HP928, to MPx200 or e100, most of the accessories you have invested in (memory cards, wifi or bluetooth cards etc) will continue to be useful.
i'm almost 100% sure that if sony makes a mw2003 pda/phone then it too will use memory stick it's their std they will never stop hunting you hhmpf i mean pushing it
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Symbian devices has one huge advantage - they don't loose their programs when the battery goes dead.
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That's a limitation of the hardware, not the OS. There could be a Pocket PC device that uses 100% nonvolatile memory instead of battery-powered RAM. But that device would be more expensive.
symbian
i have had 3 three years using a symbian system the wm is much more user friendly and interacts with my desktop a lot easier i would be slow going back to a symbian system 2 of my colegues at work have p800 and they love the xda and one of them is about to change to a xda ( the otherrs too tight ).
regards kevin b
Hi,
I'm planning to buy a T-Mobile MDA Pro in the near future, but I am somewhat doubting wether I should.
Toi me, the 640x480 screen made me decide to go for the MDA Pro instead of the MDA Vario (Wizard).
I currently own a Nokia 9500 device, but it doesn't quite cut it:
- It's fairly slow, starting up the calendar takes 2 to 5 seconds, even if I keep it loaded it will take at least 2 seconds to redraw the GUI.
- Symbian (esp S80) is very incompatible, most symbian progs are for the S60 series, and there isn't a lot to find for Symbian S80
- Programming on it sucks, Symbian C++ seems to date from pre-ansi, and it's a pain to work with. I have tried it but gave up, and a lot of people I spoke to said Symbian programming is hell.
- Then Java is incredibly slow. This is my only programming language available atm on this device, and a program, even just "hello world" will take at least 10 seconds to boot, during which the device will be completely locked.
- The camera quality is horrific.
- No jackplug for normal headphones, and no pre-made converter available. Also the Nokia pop-port headphones tend to get off very easily after which it keeps playing at the same volume, but trough the system speakers. (which will result in the whole bus looking at you! )
Anyway, this kind of summarizes what I pay attention to.
If I buy an MDA Pro, I will be using it to phone, games (emulators & OpenTTD), internet (loads of MSN too), and some programming. I will mostly use the calendar and notepad for School.
What I've heard from the MDA Pro that I don't quite like but can't confirm
- Supposedly slow
- No way to attach mass-storage (like USB) with a converter.
Now I would very much appreciate if you as owners of the HTC Universal could give me some advice on this. I really don't know if this device is as good as it sounds, or not. and if I buy it, it's too late because I will have to sell my old N9500 and I would have to sign for 1 year t-mobile :/
Thank you in advance,
TB
First: don't buy MDA Pro!!! Buy XDA Exec, even if it has all the same annoying bugs, at least it looks good! :wink:
Second: Answers to your questions can be EASILY found on this forum, even in posts from last week so please, take a time and respect other's time and read it through.
1) yes, it's not a speed demon, but there are some ways to make it acceptable
2) No, (at least not yet) you can't attach any external drives to the Universal.
But it's definitely much better than Nokia 9500!
rottie said:
First: don't buy MDA Pro!!! Buy XDA Exec, even if it has all the same annoying bugs, at least it looks good! :wink:
Second: Answers to your questions can be EASILY found on this forum, even in posts from last week so please, take a time and respect other's time and read it through.
1) yes, it's not a speed demon, but there are some ways to make it acceptable
2) No, (at least not yet) you can't attach any external drives to the Universal.
But it's definitely much better than Nokia 9500!
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Thanks for the info, I kinda got both of those answers before, but in some forum topics I didn't quite trust (they seemed very biased).
I was actually looking for other things that I might have overlooked, or something that I didn't like about my nokia that wouldn't be solved on a Universal...
XDA Exec is more appealing to look at, I admit, but can you get the tariff to match your needs? I found web n walk from T-mob to be the best all round tariff. Might be different for you and your needs, but please look beyond the colour of the phone case.
HIH
Joe
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XDA Exec is more appealing to look at, I admit, but can you get the tariff to match your needs? I found web n walk from T-mob to be the best all round tariff. Might be different for you and your needs, but please look beyond the colour of the phone case.
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Joe
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That's the reason I'm sticking to T-Mobile: It has "Pocket Internet Totaal" in the Netherlands for 10E a month, unlimited internet access capped to 64kbps
(While my current operator charges 3E per MB)
Universal/Jasjar/Qtek 9000 - too slow and heavy
I've had in the past the original XDA, then the II then the IIi.
I recently gave away my IIi and bought a Qtek 9000.
The Qtek 9000, after a few days trial, is going back!
In my humble opinion it's way too slow, and the size and weight are too much too carry it casually. As a mobile office for a patient touch-typist with tiny fingers it might be the business but it's not really a pocket creature.
The XDAIIi was perfect and I miss it! I'm going to order the Atom instead but would have no qualms about buying another XDA IIi if needs be.
Just my tuppence worth! No offence meant to Jasjar fans!
Best regards to all!
I would suggest to review again the installed applications.
From the beggining of this week I replaced Pocket Breeze with Calendar Plus and SPB Pocket Plus with VijayOKButt and VijayTrayLaunch and hey - now you can finally see that 520Mhz!!! What an improvement!! It's so much faster, especially the screen rotation. And you save about 4MB of memory not mentioning that these applications that I installed are free.
I still have my XDA IIi together with EXEC and sorry, but I just couldn't come back to QVGA :wink: .
I've just received an extra battery for my Exec bought of Ebay, now I'm just waiting for Vijay to find out the way to enable the keys while the lid is closed and then I'll be one happy Exec user! (oh well, until the summer when I'll have to think how to carry it wearing shorts :lol: )
Microsoft behind the thing! Operating system and applications in one dish and no big boy can eat in it. No competition. No killer apps coming from who knows where. No unskeduled innovations. No hurry to cover, bugs created, market holes.
And now in English? :shock:
S'funny I seem to have quite a few third party apps on my Universal, some of which I use more than any pre-installed ones from MS.
Also if you don't want to use MS products why not buy a nice Symbian based pda phone? The Motorola a1000 is nice and the SE P range.
IMHO
The biggest problem is not any one thing in particular...
Yesterday I used an old, disregarded & completely discarded Sony Ericsson T610 - which is about 3 years old.
So T610 Vs. Universal?
Of course one is a bluetooth mobile phone the other is clearly much more... but when you look at the fact that surely the primary function for a Universal has to be voice communication it made me think...
The T610 paired with my Motorola H500 BT headset immediately, it dialled, redialled and held calls with perfect clarity & reception. For being an old phone.. I was actually amazed at how speedy it responded making calls, accepting calls, switching from BT to phone, etc etc
all this was achieved with absolute effortless stability....
That made me think how 'awkward' my M5000 is in similar operations... the dropped calls, the dropped BT connections & so on... you know, all the issues we simplly just 'put up with'
Sifting through this forum again & reminding myself of these many different issues we've all at one time or another experienced with our Universals such as stability, responsiveness, performance & the like are the biggest problems
Shame really.. as on paper the Universal is indeed a very fine unit - in operation however it leaves a lot to be desired...
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.. but when you look at the fact that surely the primary function for a Universal has to be voice communication it made me think....
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Fact? Get real. No one in their right mind (not even MS or O2) would claim that the primary function of the Universal is voice communication. Even your own sig makes that obvious
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.. but when you look at the fact that surely the primary function for a Universal has to be voice communication it made me think....
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Fact? Get real. No one in their right mind (not even MS or O2) would claim that the primary function of the Universal is voice communication. Even your own sig makes that obvious
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What? not a phone?
Then why is it provided by mobile phone companies?
... as a flagship model!!!
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What? not a phone?
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You claimed that voice was the PRIMARY function. If that's the case, why did you pay all that money for the VGA display, large keyboard, 3G, and Pocket PC / Windows Mobile OS, for something that doesn't even have a caller display on the cover? But since you've got the M5000, let's look at Orange's own buy-line:-
"The Orange SPV M5000 is a 3G PDA that can be used to make and receive voice calls"
There you go. 3G PDA first, voice last. No attempt to call it a "phone", like Sony make no attempt to call the T610 a "PDA".
Then why is it provided by mobile phone companies?
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Err... Now you are being silly. Who gets the revenue from 3G and GPRS usage?
... as a flagship model!!!
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It might be flagship model, but it's a DATA centric device for business users, which is why the whole design is geared to using as it as a mini-laptop replacement.
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Indeed. There are plenty of other devices more suited if you need something more "Phone" like. Sounds to me like you just bought it because it was the most expensive, instead of what was right for your needs. That's hardly HTC's fault. :roll:
I kind of agree. I think alot of the phone has been spoiled by ONLY using Windows. (i dont think windows is crap and are not trying to slate it)
There are a few features that other phones have that make them well trick, wee lights that change colour, torches - a bunch of stuff that, lets be hounest you do not need but, makes the phone cool and helps to justify the massive brick in your pocket.
like why was VGA not supported properly? why dont the external buttons light up? why not a torch with the flash?
just my tuppance worth
JAmes
I think one of the major issues here is that the PDA operating system is trying very hard to fit in with its parent, Windows XP. So, just as Outlook, MS Access etc struggle to work with vCard formats, so does the PDA. In this day and age, when even kids tend to have two mobiles (or two cell phone numbers), how can your Contacts database be limited to one mobile number but umpteen fields for landline voice/fax numbers.
Soon, at least in the UK, mobiles are going to overtake landlines (it may already have done so for private/residential users, I don't know).
As a Mac user, I can easily transfer numbers between the Mac, SE P910i and Nokia 9500, and all the mobile numbers for each contact come across (on the N9500 you have to just change the field def, which isn't a prob) but having transferred 600+ vCards to the M5000, I lost all primary mobile numbers and only got the second or third preference mobile across.
At the very least, you should be able to add/redefine fields in the Contacts database -- I've looked and can't find any info or facility for this. That is just one of the deficiencies of WinCE/WM5.
Actually, I'm hoping that now Apple has adopted Intel chips, one of these days they're going to announce a Mobie version of OS X -- now that would be something. I'm sure a lot of users would at least try it, and many of those would even migrate (I can dream, can't I?)
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You claimed that voice was the PRIMARY function. If that's the case, why did you pay all that money for the VGA display, large keyboard, 3G, and Pocket PC / Windows Mobile OS, for something that doesn't even have a caller display on the cover? But since you've got the M5000, let's look at Orange's own buy-line:-
"The Orange SPV M5000 is a 3G PDA that can be used to make and receive voice calls"
There you go. 3G PDA first, voice last. No attempt to call it a "phone", like Sony make no attempt to call the T610 a "PDA".
Then why is it provided by mobile phone companies?
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Err... Now you are being silly. Who gets the revenue from 3G and GPRS usage?
... as a flagship model!!!
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It might be flagship model, but it's a DATA centric device for business users, which is why the whole design is geared to using as it as a mini-laptop replacement.
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Indeed. There are plenty of other devices more suited if you need something more "Phone" like. Sounds to me like you just bought it because it was the most expensive, instead of what was right for your needs. That's hardly HTC's fault. :roll:
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ineedtoys - has the cheek to say I bought the most expensive toy with a username like that?!
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I'm not going to argue whether the primary function is a phone or mini-laptop/pda, etc etc
or whether a T610 is PDA or indeed a bacon sandwich or something...
As with any MULTI-FUNCTION device - they are simply different things to different people dont you think?
ineed, the title of this thread is "the biggest problem..."
I believe the fact that the phone function of the Universal is not what it should be makes it the biggest problem for me & I suspect quite a few others...
It's quite clear you don't agree with that.. I never made that statement to p*** you or anyone off... or feel the need to argue my case... it's my opinion... and essentially what I'm saying I suspect many would agree with.. However, you haven't yet joined in with the thread and offered your OWN view on what you believe is the biggest problem...??
So, in your view, what is the biggest problem with the Universal ??
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I'm wth you - the Universal should do the basic functions of a cell/mobile phone at least as good as the T610 or a K750. A SIM free Universal is between $900 - $1000. For this kind of money you should be getting the best communications device. My daughter's free Moto v3X shows the gap in communication capability of the Universal - you see these are both 3G phones and the extra capacity of 3G improves voice calls, but not on the Universal!
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@philtech44
I'm wth you - the Universal should do the basic functions of a cell/mobile phone at least as good as the T610 or a K750. A SIM free Universal is between $900 - $1000. For this kind of money you should be getting the best communications device. My daughter's free Moto v3X shows the gap in communication capability of the Universal - you see these are both 3G phones and the extra capacity of 3G improves voice calls, but not on the Universal!
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My point exactly.. my crappy old T610's phone functions including bluetooth worked effortlessy well... my M5000 felt like a Nokia Cityman in comparison and this is wrong...
and yes - for a flagship 3G device.... well... I will say that out of the Universal and two baked bean cans connected via a piece of string... yes, the Universal wins... :lol:
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I think one of the major issues here is that the PDA operating system is trying very hard to fit in with its parent, Windows XP. So, just as Outlook, MS Access etc struggle to work with vCard formats, so does the PDA. In this day and age, when even kids tend to have two mobiles (or two cell phone numbers), how can your Contacts database be limited to one mobile number but umpteen fields for landline voice/fax numbers.
Soon, at least in the UK, mobiles are going to overtake landlines (it may already have done so for private/residential users, I don't know).
As a Mac user, I can easily transfer numbers between the Mac, SE P910i and Nokia 9500, and all the mobile numbers for each contact come across (on the N9500 you have to just change the field def, which isn't a prob) but having transferred 600+ vCards to the M5000, I lost all primary mobile numbers and only got the second or third preference mobile across.
At the very least, you should be able to add/redefine fields in the Contacts database -- I've looked and can't find any info or facility for this. That is just one of the deficiencies of WinCE/WM5.
Actually, I'm hoping that now Apple has adopted Intel chips, one of these days they're going to announce a Mobie version of OS X -- now that would be something. I'm sure a lot of users would at least try it, and many of those would even migrate (I can dream, can't I?)
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yes sipat.. that is definitely another big problem
As far as Apple is concerned & being a Mac specialist myself, you could only imagine a OSX Mobile OS... simple, effective, robust and as far as connectivity & compatibility is concerned.. well we live to dream eh?
I'm sorry I don't agree. At the current point that technology stands you will not get an open OS multi-function device operating as well and as effeciently as a closed OS phone. Granted that Symbian may be more stable, but then it is the much older more experienced OS too.
The T610 has basically one job, it operates as a phone, using it's own software, which has all been written to work together at the expense of ignoring other possibilities.
The universal has an open OS which has to allow third parties to add software, that dosn't even exist yet. This open software is bound to be slower, it has to be, it has too many possibilities it has to consider.
Comparing the speed of a T610 and a universal is like comparing the Fuel economy of a Bicycle and a Jeep. They are 2 entirely different things.
I do know what the biggest problem for the universal is. It's the end user, the majority of which are completely outside of the intended trarget audience, and missuse a little knowledge badly.
Funny how my Universal never drops call, bluetooth works perfectly for handsfree and GPS. I can't remember the last time I soft reset, and when I did it was only part of the installation of new software. It dosn't crash, freeze or run any slower then I'd expect. Why is this? Am I just incredibly lucky?
However I have been using PDA's for a long time, and have come at this device as a PDA with a phone built in, rather than the other way round. If people think a T610 is better, (and yes I did have one once). Then you have bought the completely wrong device with a Universal, because while your T610 may be faster, my Universal is providing so many more functions.
(EDIT): lol Wow, that wasn't intended to come out as such a rant.
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I'm sorry I don't agree. At the current point that technology stands you will not get an open OS multi-function device operating as well and as effeciently as a closed OS phone. Granted that Symbian may be more stable, but then it is the much older more experienced OS too.
The T610 has basically one job, it operates as a phone, using it's own software, which has all been written to work together at the expense of ignoring other possibilities.
The universal has an open OS which has to allow third parties to add software, that dosn't even exist yet. This open software is bound to be slower, it has to be, it has too many possibilities it has to consider.
Comparing the speed of a T610 and a universal is like comparing the Fuel economy of a Bicycle and a Jeep. They are 2 entirely different things.
I do know what the biggest problem for the universal is. It's the end user, the majority of which are completely outside of the intended trarget audience, and missuse a little knowledge badly.
Funny how my Universal never drops call, bluetooth works perfectly for handsfree and GPS. I can't remember the last time I soft reset, and when I did it was only part of the installation of new software. It dosn't crash, freeze or run any slower then I'd expect. Why is this? Am I just incredibly lucky?
However I have been using PDA's for a long time, and have come at this device as a PDA with a phone built in, rather than the other way round. If people think a T610 is better, (and yes I did have one once). Then you have bought the completely wrong device with a Universal, because while your T610 may be faster, my Universal is providing so many more functions.
(EDIT): lol Wow, that wasn't intended to come out as such a rant.
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Firstly, nothing to be sorry about... BUT gajet do stop it!
Do yourself a big favour & dont try to turn my simple statement into a silly
HTC Universal Vs. Sony Ericsson T610 contest... that is not what I said!!
you've foolishly twisted my very SIMPLE point into something utterly ridiculous my friend!
Your comparison between bicycles, Jeeps and the like is also junk pal!!
Kindly go back to my original post and take it at FACE VALUE...
A phone is a phone. A PDA is a PDA.
A PDA with a phone is what it is and so is a Phone with a PDA...
the point is anything that calls itself a phone, whether or not integrated with a toaster or a kettle, PDA or surgically inserted somewhere interesting, should therefore function both properly and effectively, and with some degree of quality as a bleedin' phone!!!
Do you agree with that statement or not?
It's quite clear... the Universals performance as a phone is somewhat cr*ppy for todays technology - its a let down, no question about it. Could be & should be better!
I've compared only that function, to a phone that was designed 5 years ago, manufactured 4 years ago and released to the public thereafter.. and that FACT is my only point here in this thread...
Now as for your own personal experience of Universals, well might I suggest searching the forum for threads which cover the FACT that the Universal - for some of us - does drop calls, Bluetooth is temperamental, are forced to soft & hard reset, and so on... I mean why is the Universal forum so huge with 100's of 1000's of views in its history, with issues AND fixes abound?
But again I must stress, my personal view is the Universals phone function is cr*ppy compared to what it really should be... This is 2006... not 2001... if you dont agree lets see what phone performance will be like in HTC's next generation & equivalent of the Universal...
Do you think they will upgrade all the other functions and leave the phone as it is then?!
get me now??
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So T610 Vs. Universal?
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Actually it is exactly what you said.
And my points which you completely missed are if you are going to compare the Universal to other devices, it should be compared to it's peers, not to a completely different device. Compare the Universal to the other similar PDA/phone combos by HTC, a HP Ipaq phone edition, it would even be fair to compare against a Moto a1000, SE P910 etc
Of course these devices improve over time, my Universal is considerable better than my Blue Angel, which appears in turn to have been better than the original XDA range. So yes the next device will probably be better still, but then where on earth did you get the impression I ever thought otherwise.
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Actually it is exactly what you said.
And my points which you completely missed are if you are going to compare the Universal to other devices, it should be compared to it's peers, not to a completely different device. Compare the Universal to the other similar PDA/phone combos by HTC, a HP Ipaq phone edition, it would even be fair to compare against a Moto a1000, SE P910 etc
Of course these devices improve over time, my Universal is considerable better than my Blue Angel, which appears in turn to have been better than the original XDA range. So yes the next device will probably be better still, but then where on earth did you get the impression I ever thought otherwise.
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So I did!! errr... whoops!
But still it should still operate as a phone mate & do so well.. it is sold by mobile phone companies isn't it?
No I agree with you 100% there. However when I compare the Universal to other devices of similar functionality on the current market, then it comes out very well.
In fact where I hang out usually at 3g.co.uk, they compare the Universal against other 3g phones, (Which I do realise goes completely against my main point :roll: ), but the Universal still comes out very well.
Yes the universal could be better, (mainly speed wise), but at this current point in time it does very well.
I wish I could clone mine to pass around to all those having troubles, but my suspicion is that most troubles are generated when some tweaking, or installation of third party apps are involved, or more commonly when the damn phone companies insist on using their own versions of HTC's software, (O2 Active and the damn Orange homescreen for example).
Anyway all the above is purely my oppinion, I had no intention of getting into any personal arguements and hopefully we have come to an understanding here
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I do know what the biggest problem for the universal is. It's the end user, the majority of which are completely outside of the intended trarget audience, and missuse a little knowledge badly.
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Hi. I don't want to crank this up to another level, especially after the last post about coming to some understanding. Us Mac guys know that you can get quite emotionally attached to your gadjets, Gajet, but that statement above is so condescending!
I don't think you give people enough credit -- some may have bought their phone because it was the most expensive and is had good "showing-off/one-upmanship" value, but most of have acquired to manage our work and life. When you pay a premium price, you expect a premium product. Using your analogy, you wouldn't expect to have handle-bars instead of a steering wheel in your Jeep, eh?
In my opinion, it is fairer to compare the functionality of a PDA with similar functions on a desktop machine. and, my gripe is still about the Contacts database -- I want editable fields and true vCard compatibility. I don't think I'm expecting too much from what is supposedly a mature product (the Contacts bit is based on Windows for PC tech after all). As this is my first Win based mobile OS I'm still trying to sort out certain issues, but I understand that even moving data from/between supposedly similar or compatible PDAs is not straight forward.
Aaahh! Maybe Mac users are just spoiled silly, hey.
Everybody keeps talking about what the thing is and what should be, but this is not the reason i started this topic for. So i must repeat myself. Who can fix bluetooth problems? Microsoft. Who can fix radio problems? Microsoft. Who can fix performance problems? Microsoft. Who can fix basic applications problems? Microsoft. Who can fix data sync problems? Microsoft. So we totally depend on Microsoft and she can take all the time she wants.
Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
ExploreMN said:
Okay, I have have to say, I'm pretty disappointed in PDA phone choices out there. Everything seems to be going "Blackberry" - but I don't like the idea of being limited/forced into Blackberry's services and programs.
So, since they tend to have some cool phones, has anyone tried to make a Windows Mobile 6 version that can replace the Blackberry OS? If so, can you tell me where I could find more information on this? Is it even possible?
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What do you mean "replace"?
What specific functionality do you want added to WM6? In what way do you think Blackberry is superior?
I think that WM6 has more potential than Blackberry. If you like the GUI, you should look around for Today/Homescreens. There are many many plugins which can offer various functionality to give you what you want.
I think he wants to run WM6(standard?) on a Blackberry.
Explore, trust me, its not worth it nor (because of hardware) is it possible if I'm not mistaken.
You're better off with a MotoQ9 or something.
The only reason anyone should have a Blackberry is for work (email) or for the person who doesn't needs the extras of a PDAphone or average Smartphone.
As for the looks & shape you have many similar Smartphones that share the look of the Blkbry.
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
If you like the Blkbry design you have:
Moto Q9, BlackJack II, HP 910 Business Messenger
Slide QWERTY PDAs:
Mogul, Tytn II, Eten M800 etc.
Media focus PDAs
iPhone, HTC Touch/Sprint Touch, N95 etc.
PowerExec phones:
Nokia E90, XDA Flame, I-mate ultimate 9502 etc.
I'm sure at least 2 of them won't dissapoint & 8 of them run a variation of WM6.
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Noiro said:
What type of PDA interests you? Better yet, what are you looking to do with it?
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Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
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Basically, I'm looking for a PDA that isn't so slow...like my MDA. I mostly use it for e-mail, excel (expense tracking when I'm out), and calendering/scheduling/contacts. It just seems like with the MDA, whenever I do anything there is always a sense of lag and such.
However, I also don't want to spend as much money on a phone as it would cost for a high end laptop (like the JasJar for example).
I just thought perhaps the new blackberries had better than 200Mhz processors in them and could support my needs better if I could get rid of BlackberryOS and put WM6 on instead.
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I don't think this will ever be able to happen.
I have the Sprint Touch and have no issues at all with it's 256MB RAM and 400 Mhz Processor.