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Hi,
Did a search and couldn't find exactly the question I have so here goes. I'm looking to buy a phone/PDA unit and am currently stuck between the Prophet/JAMin and the Atom.
Main uses will be standard PDA stuff, however I do a lot of 4WDing and will be installing Oziexplorer mapping software (for offroad use) and perhaps TomTom or Destinator for city/urban use.
I am leaning more towards the JAMin for its fullsize SD card slot (I have a few cards already available), however I am concerned about the speed of the unit when running mapping given its 200Mhz chip compared to the Atoms 416Mhz one.
Anyone out there able to shed some light on this and allay or confirm my concerns? Other than the chip speed and slot size, I don't really see much difference between the specs for the two that would impact me - I can live with either Bluetooth 1.2 oe 2.0 and tri-band will suit as much as quad-band, although the one thing I haven't seen on the spec sheets is that the Atom will playback music files in AAC format whereas the JAMin will. Can anyone confirm this?
Hi!
I don't know much about the Atom, but as a recent switcher from JAM to Qtek S200 I would advise you to made a carefull move.
S200 Omap processor is slow, not by Mhz itself, but a poor performer, specially doing Bluetooth-GPS navigation.
I know it depends on ROM and radio versions, but mine is definitely lagging behind any other machine I had before, HTC machines I mean.
I'd rather stick with Intel processors and even WM 2003 if you are not fully commited to something that only WM5 provides... and I see nothing really.
Too early and poorly implemented the last HTC changes......
Jamin is better in so many ways
1. Atom screen my self-identify as transflective but it is not. Prophet (Jamin) screen is HQ TFT transflective. As result the Atom is almost "blind" outdoors. This is a serious drawback, specifically for SatNav
2. Atom has a 416 MHz CPU but it's integration leaves a lot for improvement. Prophet may be relatively slow 195 MHz (nothing realy disturbing but for demanding games and/or number crunching), but so is Atom, the latter for bad engineering.. Besides, comparing TI OMAP and Intel Bulverde only by numbers is wrong to start with...
3. Prophet on latest AKU2 ROM (all Jamin/Qtek/Dopod) is stable enough, Atom on latest ROM still gives headache, freezes, etc.
4. Prophet Quality of build materials is years better than Atom's.
I had both, had to choose one, finally chosen the Prophet sold the Atom (for what it's worth..)
my opinion about prophet
First of all I must say that I do not have an atom and I did not have a chance to use it.
So far I had XDA, XDA II, XDA IIi, HP ipaq 4150, and a number of GSM phones including Motorola V600 and Nokia 6230i.
I was never happy with PPC phones. There was always a PPC feature that was missing like Wi-Fi or widdcom stack.
Then came XDA IIi. Ever since I saw it on expansys, I waited it like a lover Oh my god, what a disapointment it was. As a PPC it was perfect, simply perfect; but as a phone it was horrible. There was echo on the conversations and camera was the worst I have seen with a 1.3 MP sensor. If you look at i-mate site it is still written under the "known issues" topic that "there is a slight echo reported by users which will be solved soon" :-D
And I gave up using PPC phones. I bought an ipaq h4150 and Nokia 6230i, both which I find the best.
Then after a year, just for curiosity, I bought a prophet.
I changed the ROM to the latest Dopod. I loaded a number of applications and tried to test it. At the very beginning it was very very slow. The starting was taking 2:15 minutes after soft reset and for Resco explorer 5.20 it was taking 13 to 19 seconds to open windows folder (Where all the files wer choosen to be viewed, ie "hide ... files" choice was unchecked). I have loaded and removed a lot of applications; most likely the registry was full of weird keys.
After a week, I hard reset the device and reloaded the applications. Now I am using a number of applications like spb diary, imageer, weather, pocket plus, time, gprs monitor, omega one calculator, Adope 2.0, Agile messenger, Resco explorer and Keyboard, Megasoft2000 Pocket Clock, Lygea 12C; TCPMP and some more and relativeley light applications. It takes 1:35 minutes from soft reset to open and 4 -5 seconds to view windows folder.
I do not use any overclocking or registry tweak to run the device faster.
I find the ppc very acceptable. The phone is very stable. No hang ups or freezing. The camera is very acceptable, not same, but very close to nokia 6230i or Sony K750 camera.
If you plan to have a ppc phone and if you do not want to wait for future products, I reccomend the device.
But I must warn you about one thing: You will see a number of people that are suffering from loosing the GSM signal after they lost it once. This should be very annoying. I don' t have any of the problems that people write here and there. But for some reason there are people that have serious problems like this.
Before finishing, let me take your attention to ipaq 4150. It is, in my opinion, the best PPC that has been designed. The lightest and fastest of all PPCs that has 400 MHz processor and built in Wi-Fi and BT. It also has a very sharp screen and built in widdcom stack. It is also very cheap in ebay. It may be a solution to processor power demanding applications.
These are all I can write.
Cheers.
What about the MIO A701. It has a built in GPS receiver. 8)
You can pre-order at Expansys: http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=134278
No transflecting TFT
Had an A701 for a while. Having a transmissive TFT LCD (versus Transflective) is a serious handicap for any daylight/outdoor navigation, while this is one of device's main reasons of being.
In principle, I would suggest to avoid transmissive LCD for any use model involving outdoor activity, inclusive of Dailight driving. This technology is older than Transflective (actually was replaced by the latter) and comes back now as a measure of lowering production cost .
To those unfamilliar with the terms, the transflective LCD self reflects any front lighting (including Sun's), while at same time being backlit. This is "enjoying both worlds" and allows near optimal viewing all-arround (indoors/outdoors). Of course it is also expensive. On the opposite side there's Transmissive LCD that usually involves back lighting (exclusively) via a transparent LCD panel. Direct front light practically kills any decent chance to view the screen which becomes (in various levels) a mirror...
There were some discussions on this forum, where some claimed that a certain provider in Europe offers "dimmer" and narrower angle-of-view Prophets, different than generic iMate/Qtek. A quick search here will show screenshots which are pretty clear.
I haven't materially seen this provider's Prophet, but a look on a Mio A701 screen outdoors can easily be self explaining (BTW so is Atom and a whole new line of new devices with "retro" cheeper screens.
Go prophet! Mine loads slowly, 2:25 due to WA2 and WAD, but afterwards is quite snapy. 3 secs for opening win folder! No regrets whatsoever...
OK, my mind is now made up.
After some comments here, and a review of the JAMin against the Atom on another forum (in particular using Oziexplorer which is one thing I specifically want), I am buying the JAMin. Seems much better and faster in many respects, and cheaper, and I can use my full size SD cards.....
Now I just need to find the best deal.
Hi. I am thinking about replace my old Universal for a nice successor. Here in Spain HSDPA is active so i was thinking about HTC Hermes. But i love my VGA Screen. What can i do? any suggestions?? Thaaaanks
Till now, there are not even rumors in the air for the next laptop-like design. So, all we can do is request HTC to make similar device
How about MAGIC: http://www.advancetc.com/
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How about MAGIC: http://www.advancetc.com/
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Yeah I've seen them, I was going to get one till I heard... NO VGA! Now why would I want two QVGA screens? I think the Universal is going to be the top dog for quite some time.
Cross yr fingers....there is one planned..... :lol:
Hdubli thanks but I always thought that HTC will tie up the successor for the Universal with the next version of Windows Mobile.
Regards
Hi hdubli,
Could you say something more?
I love clamshell devices.
I love clamshell devices , thus the reason why I fell in love with the Universal. I do hope there is a successor for the Universal with better specs, especially the camera. We need higher resolution and they need to reposition the camera at the back of the screen, instead of the bottom of the keyboard. The one in front of the screen is fine, but I prefer to take pictures in clamshell mode than with the screen rotated in PDA mode.
For me VGA is a must. I like HSDPA, but i prefer UMTS with VGA than HSDPA with QVGA. I was going to buy it but i know that i will miss the VGA real screen so i will wait. I will buy a pcmcia card HSDPA enabled for my laptop......
VGA is a must for me too. The screen can be smaller but I need my VGA. With bigger memory and an external Caller ID screen. Then I am in heaven!
A decent camera wouldn't go amiss too ;-)
For me the next version must have an external screen so I can see who is calling withough having to open it, and a small numeric pad so I can make calls. That's the biggest peeve I have with this device.
Faster processor would be great too, the phone does get a bit laggy sometimes, also can't always answer a call, etc. It was better after a reflash but after a while the phone starts to drag.
Cheers
Nasdaq
How about a graphics processor, for video playback and such. I have some hickups every now and then when i playback video.
I think the current Universal has it all except:
1: External screen to display caller ID
2: The call accept and reject buttons on the side should light up when a call comes through
3: A small numeric keypad on the outside
4: But above all 128 MB of Program memory
Hope HTC is listening to us
Regards
Don't forget the camera ;-)
And if HTC are listening, can you make me a special one without the numeric pad on the outside?
I would love a full keyboard (alt / ctrl) keys
Dont forget HSDPA. In many countries it works right now with 1.8Mbps and in Spain it will reach 14.4 Mbps in december ¡¡ (Like in many other countries). It makes real the TV Online...so i think HSDPA is a must.
Some extra buttons and a powerfull graphics chip and HTC Universal will become a PSP connected to the world with a VERY big broadband.
Of course wifi G.
External screen.
FM and DVB-T receivers.....
And finally...of course.....SIRF III GPS with TMC (real time traffic).
zzzzzzZZZZzzzzz...maybe I am dreaming.........zzzZZZZzzzzz
here is the design
From Sanyo prototypes a couple of years back.
Phone unit providing comms. Can be left on desk in bag, shirt pocket, belt clip. USB 2 and wireless USB connector. WIFI and bluetooth. 2 mini SDIO sockets. integrated AGPS. TV out. A2DP....
Screen - Interchangable choice of screens from VGA to QVGA. Talks wirelessly to base very thin.
Voice comm - via screen or headset.
Cameras interchangable and optional.
http://www.slashphone.com/111/4732.html cant find original link. But it was interchangavle items talking wireless to the receiever. mix n match what u need and it slotted together for storage, regular use.
Hopefully:
1. 3mp camera+ w/ VGA video recording
2. Wifi 802.11g (or even 802.11n!)
3. Small external screen for caller ID/signal status
4. 128mb (or more) RAM
5. Internal storage of 4gb+
6. Support for standard SD - I hate that we all have to buy new memory cards all the time! I dont think anyone is bothered about a memory card weighing 1g less - as minisd/microsd offer smaller capacities, higehr prices and the need for everyone to buy new cards!
7. GPS
8. Larger supplied battery - at least 2500mah.
And of course keep the VGA screen, but with perhaps 262k colours?
I support 6680abhi specs :lol:
Bored of those "my Tytn has this defect, my Tytn does not do this" threads, lets start a new subject: A better Tytn? Eten M700
In the Internet you can come across the info on a new communicator – E-Ten M700. The announcement is expected in November. And now we have some preliminary info.
The M700 is said to inherit from E-Ten Glofiish X500 the support of GPS and Wi-Fi. The model will be the first in the lineup to have a sliding QWERTY-keyboard.
The communicator is expected to support 3G networks and carry 256 MB of flash ROM onboard. Some sources name smaller memory size – 128 MB.
Source: Mobilnaut.cz
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It is fake ...
No wheel? No OK/Win buttons? No 3G? No front camera? And what's with the vertical D-pad?
Obviously (Assuming it's not a fake) this is a mock up, and specs aren't final, but the only plus I can see for it is GPS, which I'm not bothered about on a non-VGA device anyway. And if you do like the idea of GPS, bluetooth ones are cheap.
Not to say that it doesn't look to be decent, and more device competition is always good for all of us, but unless the (wildly varying) rumoured specs are wrong, it's certainly no all-round Tytn beater.
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It is fake ...
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Yes. It looks fake. Keyboard is open, but devce is still in portrait not landscape! But keys asume landscape mode. Mabe this is a shot of a clay model
Possibly not a fake but not real either. Maybe an earliy mock-up and certaibly not anything nearing release.
Notice the keyboard (not just orientation) but that set of blue lines. They are graphically added - the keys are truncated by the lines and not evenly either, you can barely see the top of the F and yet there's lots of space under the R.
In any case this would be an older generation non-3g device with no video calling.
Actually quite like the styling - more lively than HTCs austere offering.
Mike
Seriously - how can anyone not tell the difference between a drawing and a photo when it's as obvious as that? The number of places I've seen this image this week and instead of debate about the device itself, just a load of "OMG ITS FAKE!!!" comments. No, it's not "fake", it's an illustration. I've seen monsters in Quake 2 that I've thought are more real-looking.
Grrr.
Of course it doesn't help when the person posting it (not the case here) claims that it's a photo!
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Seriously - how can anyone not tell the difference between a drawing and a photo when it's as obvious as that? The number of places I've seen this image this week and instead of debate about the device itself, just a load of "OMG ITS FAKE!!!" comments. No, it's not "fake", it's an illustration. I've seen monsters in Quake 2 that I've thought are more real-looking.
Grrr.
Of course it doesn't help when the person posting it (not the case here) claims that it's a photo!
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Quite right! Trouble is it's not easy to debate seriously when there is no reliable source of info on specs for possible device. Like debating the shape of a melting jelly.
Mike
M700, its reality guys!!
Hi
This is a new release to Eten range.
E-TEN M700 Specification
Operating System Windows Mobile™ 5.0 software for Pocket PCs
Processor Samsung SC3 2442 400 MHz Processor
Memory 128 MB Flash ROM, 64 MB SDRAM
Display 2.8", 240 x 320, 65,536 colors TFT-LCD
Dimensions(LxWxH) 117.5 x 59 x 19.8 mm
Weight 165g (with battery)
Communications
GSM/EDGE Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
GPRS/EGPRS Class B, Multi-slot Class 10
Bluetooth® v2.0 class 2 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
WiFi® IEEE802.11b/g Certificated
Camera Built-in 2.0 mega pixels CMOS camera, up to 1600 x 1200 resolution
Expansibility MicroSD card slot
Interface/Audio Built-in microphone and speaker, external stereo headset jack
Interface/Data Mini USB Sync, headset jack,
Ergonomic Design
Touch screen for stylus or fingertip, navigation button, power button, 4 quick application buttons,
send/end button, record button, volume control,
Slide out Qwerty Keyboard with 39 keys
Battery
Lithium Polymer rechargeable with 1,530 mAh capacity
Talk time* : 5~7 hours
Standby* : 150~200 hours,
Pocket PC usage* : 10~15 hours
GPS usage* : 5~7 hours
* depend on usage
Software(pre-loaded*)
Windows Mobile™ 5.0 software for Pocket PCs, Microsoft® Office Outlook® Mobile (Calendar,
Contacts, Tasks and Inbox), Picture, Notes, Microsoft® Office Word Mobile, Microsoft® Office
Excel® Mobile, Internet Explorer Mobile, ActiveSync, Calculator, Game (Solitaire, Bubble
Breaker), Voice Recorder, Microsoft® Office PowerPoint® Mobile, MSN® Messenger,
Microsoft® Transcriber, Windows Media® Player 10, Microsoft Reader* (* depends on region)
E-TEN Exclusive
Applications
Phone Tools: Phone Application*, Phone Setting, SIM Toolkit, Speed Dial, Call Filter, Wireless
Modem, Dialer Skin, Add Ringtone, CSD Type, Voice Commander*, Connection Wizard, SMS
Sender, SIM Manager, Skype Receiver Switch (*subject to change by region)
Multimedia Tools: Image Wizard, Image Maker, Multimedia Manager, Camera, Camcorder, FM
Tuner
MMS Message
Utilities: Quick Link, Battery Meter, Zoom SMS, Bluetooth Manager, M-Desk, Scenario, Backup
Utility, Application Recovery, Wireless Manager, Easy Keyboard
GPS Tools: Satellite Data Update, Location SMS, GPS Viewer
Packing List
E-TEN M700, stylus, Mini USB sync cable , AC adapter, headset, leather case, Companion CD,
quick start guide, standard battery.
Accessories
(Optional)
Battery pack, car charger, portable keyboard, Bluetooth® GPS kit, Bluetooth® Headset.
basically its a X500 Glofiish with a QWERTY keyboard.
I think thta it is a different design and i personal welcome change, the current form factor is so common and considering looks it doesnt look as bad as the WIZA 100 aka Cingular 8125.
regards
reo
reo
What is the source of your information?
Mike
the information is all valid, trust me.
i will have 1 in my hands soon, will give you guys more details about it.
reo
There's no UMTS/HSDPA... why are we even talking about this thing.
E-ten m700 foto
hi-quality e-ten m700 fotos
Actual photos? Well, that's not bad for a "fake" device. lol
Anyway, specs-wise it looks to be very similar to the Hermes. While it has GPS going for it, there's no 3G, it's bigger, worse UI, and a gimmicky looking keyboard.
Still, for anyone not bothered by those, the GPS could make it a good device for them.
HI
well it lacks 3G which actually if it did have it would set it apart form any device.
about the keyboard, well i dunno mate but to me i think this an original idea, its something more contemporary and concidering we livin in an age of advanced handheld devices there is very limited changes to the look and feel of them which is kinda wierd. this is the metamorphosis... i hope.
reo
I'm sure the keyboard is of good quality, but I find those glowing lines overpower it, and I just see them more than the keys itself, which is very distracting.
MAybe it's different in person though, I certainly hope so. It'd be a shame to ruin an otherwise good keyboard with some gimmicky glowing lines.
No 3G, in my opinion the screen is to small for the casing. There is no way that this could even possibly rival the Hermes in my opinion.
No 3G ? I will pass.
reo said:
the information is all valid, trust me.
i will have 1 in my hands soon, will give you guys more details about it.
reo
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Where are you getting it?
GPS is a great thing, but keep in mind, that it doesn't make a lot of sense without corresponding application. At this time only car navigation applications are available, for which you don't need an integrated GPS receiver. An external one has even advantages in terms of placing it in your car, so it provides better reception.
There are almost no GPS-based location based services for pedestrians available and even if so, accuracy of conventional GPS is mostly too bad in urban canyons. Without A-GPS you have very little use in the city, also because your battery will run empty quickly.
And for hiking or other outdoor activities I will never take my precious TyTN along with me, but use an old-style Magellan receiver.
I would never swap 3G-capabilites for GPS!
Some pics...
http://www.eten-users.net/index.php?showtopic=5145&st=15
I've just been thinking...what is your dream device?
What would HTC (or any PPC Phone manufacturer) have to develop to get you to put your Hermes in your mobile phone collection drawer?
I'd love to know what is your perfect PPC Phone Device! Let's get the perfection specs listed here.
If Apple can get 2 gigs into a Nano why can't HTC get 2gb in a PPC phone?
FTTB: Same size as Hermes but 640X480 & built in GPS
Sleuth255 said:
FTTB: Same size as Hermes but 640X480 & built in GPS
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I agree. At first I though if Cingy released the Hermes like it was supposed to be with the front camera then that would be enough. But actually I could give a rats about the front camera. I think you are right on target.
Why is it that they can't increase the rom to a gig? Is there a technical reason why that is the case?
Sleuth255 said:
FTTB: Same size as Hermes but 640X480 & built in GPS
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And with the scroll wheel moved to the other side.
mightyeric said:
And with the scroll wheel moved to the other side.
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Yes I Was Thinking That Just Today. It Would Be So Much Easier For All Of Us Who Are Right Handed.
Cheers
and more memory and longer lasting battery
Use a screen that dosen't suck as much as a lot of other TS-phones do in sunlight/outside. Something that Neonode has used for years now on the N1.
Suport regular SDHC memcards, GPS and a OS that shows some inovation (WM7 anyone)..
Zulee said:
(WM7 anyone)..
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teehee....
As a lefty I applauded the Hermes thumbwheel placement... For once the tables are turned. Don't change a thing there plz.
Hurrah for Lefties!!!! I enjoy that scroll wheel very much!
Hermes would be greater if....
it had...
a slimmer design,
more internal memory
and a standard headphone jack.
otherwise...
Great phone, especially with kyphers xd-live rom
that all have phun hehehe
They could release this same phone in a second edition or anything else they want to call it and add a few features.
More internal storage memory is a MUST. I cannot think of a single reason for being limited to around 45-60mb when Nokias and SonyEricssons are getting double that at the least.
Internal GPS also needs to be there. I never understood why people would want it until I finally tried it. It is not just about navigation. It gives access to location based information regarding restaurants, gas stations, ATMs, and just about any other business you may need and their phone numbers...yeah, plus directions to the location!
A NO CAMERA option and a better camera for those who choose the camera. We don't all want one on the phone since we can't take them certain places...like work. However, those that do want it should have a better camera installed. I do not just mean more megapixels. The camera needs to be sharper, faster, clearer, and more accurate for colors. I don't need 7MP on my phone, but the photos I take with it should be worth showing to people, not just big.
More security options for those of us who don't have access to the Exchange server. Many of us might have a hosted exchange service or none at all but we still want access to all of the security feature that other users enjoy.
...and keep the scroll wheel on the left! Right handed folks get everything else made for them. It is nice to have something for me!
I'll Play, I think the "Kaiser" will be close, slightly thinner Hermes with built-in GPS.
I'm OK with 320x240 as the Hermes is quite good, I have an iPaq hx4700 with a HUGE 640x480 screen with excellent outdoor readability so who wouldn't love a ultra crisp display.
I have always wondered why the heck these companies won't give us a couple of GIG extra storage. I'd also prefer mini SD so we could use a cheaper and I think more common 8GB SDHC card.
Thumb wheel. Well I've played with a friend's Blackberry and it is better on the right (for us right handers).
Can't wait to see the Kaiser, one step closer to the perfect "all-in-one"
Hmm, let me see (in order of preference)
Built in DAB digital radio
GPS
Built in FM/AM radio
A screen the same size as my Hermes but with higher resolution.
Better camera (maybe 3mp but also better quality metering and focusing)
Mini SD slot or large (6gb) int memory
3.5mm headphone socket
Better quality loudspeaker
Better layout of buttons on front of device (I have a SPV M3100)
Once the qwerty slide is out, it would be nice to be able to tilt the screen towards you.
An clip-on external wifi ariel to boost signal as standard in the box
Also just imagine the processing power and RAM of even a cheep laptop in a PPC. You could attach an auxiliary 9" screen, mini keyboard and run a version of windows far closer to the desktop OS (if not the same). I could even get some web design done on the move then without a laptop.
lol, probably got a bit carried away there, but then again when the Nokia 8210 was the mutts nuts 5-6 years ago who would of thought that the Hermes would have been possible!
time travel.
Ohhh, just though of another:
thumb-print recognition enabled screen to replace pin number
Olipro said:
time travel.
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teehee.......
Built-in printer/scanner No, seriously, a thought reader.
Form factor is ok, but it would be nice if the screen could be tilted slightly. On the hardware side, I would like to see:
USB host, standard audio jack, GPS would be nice, better design (slimmer and better looking), video out (don't care vga/cinch/...), video in, 640x480 display, ...
My main issues are with the software, before any other hardware, I would like the software to provide more features:
BT PAN, WPA2, better IMAP support, stability (sometimes my startbutton just disappears, sometimes the device just hangs, ...), printerdrivers, ...
Oh, BTW, a printer is not so far fetched: the technology is here.
Jörg
Dimensions: 58 x 110 x 18 millimetres
Mass: 160 grams (battery included)
Software Environment
Operating System: Windows Mobile 6 Professional
Microprocessor
CPU: 32bit Intel Bulvedere 520Mhz
CPU Clock: 520 MHz
Memory, Storage capacity
ROM capacity: 256 MB
RAM capacity: 64 MB
Display
Display Type: color transflective TFT , 65536 scales
Display Resolution: 640 x 480
Display Diagonal: 2.8 "
Sound
Microphone: mono
Speaker: stereo
Audio Output: std 3.5mm jack
Cellular Phone
Cellular Networks: GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS800, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
Cellular Data Standards: CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
Call Alert: 72 -chord melody
Vibrating Alert: Supported
Control Peripherals
Positioning Device: Touchscreen
Keyboard: Slide-out QWERTY-type keyboard, 41 keys
Directional Pad: 5 -way block
Jog / Scroll Wheel: Pressable 5-way rotary scroll wheel
Interfaces
Expansion Slots: SDIO, microSD, TransFlash
Serial: RS-232 , 115200bit/s
USB: USB 2.0 client, 60Mbit/s , USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
Bluetooth: Bluetooth 2.0
Wireless LAN: 802.11b, 802.11g
Multimedia Telecommunication
Analog TV: Built-in
Analog Radio: Am-Fm digital tuner built-in
Satellite Navigation
Built-in GPS: NMEA 0183
Built-in Digital Camera
Main Camera: CMOS sensor, 2.8MP
Autofocus (AF): Supported
Built-in Flash: Mobile light (LED)
Secondary Camera: CMOS sensor, 640x480 pixel
Power Supply
Battery: Lithium-ion , removable
Battery Capacity: 1700 mAh
Good morning people, it's Friday and hopefully your all in a good mood.
I am wanting some help from some of XDA's Resident Chef's that would like a new challenge, I have just recieved my new device the HP Ipaq Data Messenger and want to start cooking ROM's for it, as no-one seems to do them, it was a insurance replacement for my diamond that went missing and they no longer stocked it so I had to choose a replacement, this was the best they had. It's a touch screen device with a slide out keyboard running WM6.1 Pro. However it's build is quite out of date, runs very slow despite being tweaked using Advanced Config and full of HP Bloateware. I want to be able to create some fast ROM's for this device like I could with my Kaiser and then my Diamond. I would hopefully like to take a look at WM6.5 on the device as I am very impressed with it on my diamond, or at least I was before it vanished.
I am hoping someone will take pity on me and give me a hand, helping me figure out how to dump the rom, create a new one removing crap, updating build, etc, and figuring how to get it back on the device as I assume we'll need to create some kind of custom bootloader.
Hopefully I have explained myself properly and that one of the god like chef's will help me out, I work in IT and have been using HTC Devices and custom ROM's for years so have some experience with this.
Thanks for any help guys, the specs are below for those interested.
WM 6.1 Build 5.2.19959 (Build 19959.1.2.1)
Radio 5.2.4004
Fast facts
Operating system installed
Windows Mobile® 6.1 Professional
Display
2.81” transmissive TFT, 65K colours, 320 x 240 pixel touch screen display with LED backlight
Keyboard
Full QWERTY slide-out alphanumeric keyboard
Wireless technologies
Integrated WLAN 802.11b/g, with WPA2 security, Bluetooth® 2.0 with EDR
Mobile phone
3G wireless broadband connectivity for voice and data, Tri-band UMTS (900/1900/2100 MHz), HSDPA Category 8 (up to 7.2Mbps downlink) and HSUPA Category 5 (up to 2Mbps uplink), Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
GPS receiver
Integrated GPS navigation (Assisted GPS)
Software included
Value add applications:HP Data Connect, HP SIM Manager, HP Power Save Mode, HP Help and Support, HP Keyboard Backlight, HP Light Sensor, HP Asset Viewer, Opera Browser, Sun JVM, Westtek Jetcet PDF Viewer, Westtek Jetcet Print
Integrated camera
Integrated 3.1 Megapixel autofocus camera, 5X digital zoom, 320 x 240 QVGA resolution, 640 x 480 VGA resolution, 1280 x 1024 SXGA resolution, 1600 x 1200 UXGA resolution, 2048 x 1536 QXGA resolution, LED flash
Portability
Display
2.81” transmissive TFT, 65K colours, 320 x 240 pixel touch screen display with LED backlight
Product weight
160 g
Product dimensions (W x D x H)
5.7 x 1.74 x 11.4 cm
Performance
Memory type
128 MB SDRAM main memory for running applications, 256 MB flash ROM
Power features
Battery: removable/rechargeable 1140 mAh Lithium-Polymer (user changeable)
Keyboard
Full QWERTY slide-out alphanumeric keyboard
Pointing device
Touch-sensitive display for stylus or fingertip
Connectivity / GPS
Mobile phone
3G wireless broadband connectivity for voice and data, Tri-band UMTS (900/1900/2100 MHz), HSDPA Category 8 (up to 7.2Mbps downlink) and HSUPA Category 5 (up to 2Mbps uplink), Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
Messaging services
Phone Dialer application, SMS/MMS support, Microsoft Outlook Mobile for push eMail (from Exchange, IMAP or POP3), Windows Life for Instant Messaging
Wireless technologies
Integrated WLAN 802.11b/g, with WPA2 security, Bluetooth® 2.0 with EDR
GPS receiver
Integrated GPS navigation (Assisted GPS)
Synchronization tools
Micro-USB desktop synchronisation cable
GPS softwares and maps
Google maps mobile and 30 Day Trial for Turn-by-Turn Navigation
Expandability
External I/O ports
1 micro-USB connector for synchronization and charging
Memory slots
64-bit Micro SD card slot - for memory expansion, supports up to 8GB
Software
Pre-installed software
Operating system applications: Microsoft® Office Outlook® Mobile, Microsoft® Office Mobile, Internet Explorer® Mobile, Windows Media® Player Mobile, Windows Live, Microsoft Internet Sharing
Software included
Value add applications:HP Data Connect, HP SIM Manager, HP Power Save Mode, HP Help and Support, HP Keyboard Backlight, HP Light Sensor, HP Asset Viewer, Opera Browser, Sun JVM, Westtek Jetcet PDF Viewer, Westtek Jetcet Print
Multimedia
Internal audio
Integrated microphone, receiver, speaker and wired stereo headset
Integrated camera
Integrated 3.1 Megapixel autofocus camera, 5X digital zoom, 320 x 240 QVGA resolution, 640 x 480 VGA resolution, 1280 x 1024 SXGA resolution, 1600 x 1200 UXGA resolution, 2048 x 1536 QXGA resolution, LED flash
System features
Power requirements
AC Power 100~240 Vac, 50/60 Hz
Ergonomic features
Full alphanumeric slide-out keyboard, 5-way optical navigation, 2 soft keys, ringer/sound switch, send/end buttons, keyguard button, volume control, camera button, 2 quick access keys (Windows Start and OK)
Operating temperature range
-10 to 55° C
Operating humidity range
90% RH
Warranty
2 year pick-up and return service, 90 days technical support for softwares, may vary by region
Box content
Removable/rechargeable 1140 mAh Lithium-Polymer battery, AC charger, 1 micro-USB synchronization/charge cable, 2.5 mm wired stereo headset, HP iPAQ Getting Started CD, documentation kit
Any1?
Please anyone, i'm stuck with the Data Messenger as well, it is slow and buggy.
Thank god i still have my 614 (mhh 614 with wm 6.1 love that thing) because the Data Messenger is to unstable to use as a phone.
The phoe itself looks good and has a lot of potential however as long as we are stuck with "rushed to market" roms from HP that potential will never be realised.
I can use my Data messenger for testing of roms, and i dont care if it gets bricked.
You can post specific requests for ROMs in the Q&A section.. this is a development and hacking section dedicated to applications and themes.. for everyone.