Hi,
Did a search and couldn't find exactly the question I have so here goes. I'm looking to buy a phone/PDA unit and am currently stuck between the Prophet/JAMin and the Atom.
Main uses will be standard PDA stuff, however I do a lot of 4WDing and will be installing Oziexplorer mapping software (for offroad use) and perhaps TomTom or Destinator for city/urban use.
I am leaning more towards the JAMin for its fullsize SD card slot (I have a few cards already available), however I am concerned about the speed of the unit when running mapping given its 200Mhz chip compared to the Atoms 416Mhz one.
Anyone out there able to shed some light on this and allay or confirm my concerns? Other than the chip speed and slot size, I don't really see much difference between the specs for the two that would impact me - I can live with either Bluetooth 1.2 oe 2.0 and tri-band will suit as much as quad-band, although the one thing I haven't seen on the spec sheets is that the Atom will playback music files in AAC format whereas the JAMin will. Can anyone confirm this?
Hi!
I don't know much about the Atom, but as a recent switcher from JAM to Qtek S200 I would advise you to made a carefull move.
S200 Omap processor is slow, not by Mhz itself, but a poor performer, specially doing Bluetooth-GPS navigation.
I know it depends on ROM and radio versions, but mine is definitely lagging behind any other machine I had before, HTC machines I mean.
I'd rather stick with Intel processors and even WM 2003 if you are not fully commited to something that only WM5 provides... and I see nothing really.
Too early and poorly implemented the last HTC changes......
Jamin is better in so many ways
1. Atom screen my self-identify as transflective but it is not. Prophet (Jamin) screen is HQ TFT transflective. As result the Atom is almost "blind" outdoors. This is a serious drawback, specifically for SatNav
2. Atom has a 416 MHz CPU but it's integration leaves a lot for improvement. Prophet may be relatively slow 195 MHz (nothing realy disturbing but for demanding games and/or number crunching), but so is Atom, the latter for bad engineering.. Besides, comparing TI OMAP and Intel Bulverde only by numbers is wrong to start with...
3. Prophet on latest AKU2 ROM (all Jamin/Qtek/Dopod) is stable enough, Atom on latest ROM still gives headache, freezes, etc.
4. Prophet Quality of build materials is years better than Atom's.
I had both, had to choose one, finally chosen the Prophet sold the Atom (for what it's worth..)
my opinion about prophet
First of all I must say that I do not have an atom and I did not have a chance to use it.
So far I had XDA, XDA II, XDA IIi, HP ipaq 4150, and a number of GSM phones including Motorola V600 and Nokia 6230i.
I was never happy with PPC phones. There was always a PPC feature that was missing like Wi-Fi or widdcom stack.
Then came XDA IIi. Ever since I saw it on expansys, I waited it like a lover Oh my god, what a disapointment it was. As a PPC it was perfect, simply perfect; but as a phone it was horrible. There was echo on the conversations and camera was the worst I have seen with a 1.3 MP sensor. If you look at i-mate site it is still written under the "known issues" topic that "there is a slight echo reported by users which will be solved soon" :-D
And I gave up using PPC phones. I bought an ipaq h4150 and Nokia 6230i, both which I find the best.
Then after a year, just for curiosity, I bought a prophet.
I changed the ROM to the latest Dopod. I loaded a number of applications and tried to test it. At the very beginning it was very very slow. The starting was taking 2:15 minutes after soft reset and for Resco explorer 5.20 it was taking 13 to 19 seconds to open windows folder (Where all the files wer choosen to be viewed, ie "hide ... files" choice was unchecked). I have loaded and removed a lot of applications; most likely the registry was full of weird keys.
After a week, I hard reset the device and reloaded the applications. Now I am using a number of applications like spb diary, imageer, weather, pocket plus, time, gprs monitor, omega one calculator, Adope 2.0, Agile messenger, Resco explorer and Keyboard, Megasoft2000 Pocket Clock, Lygea 12C; TCPMP and some more and relativeley light applications. It takes 1:35 minutes from soft reset to open and 4 -5 seconds to view windows folder.
I do not use any overclocking or registry tweak to run the device faster.
I find the ppc very acceptable. The phone is very stable. No hang ups or freezing. The camera is very acceptable, not same, but very close to nokia 6230i or Sony K750 camera.
If you plan to have a ppc phone and if you do not want to wait for future products, I reccomend the device.
But I must warn you about one thing: You will see a number of people that are suffering from loosing the GSM signal after they lost it once. This should be very annoying. I don' t have any of the problems that people write here and there. But for some reason there are people that have serious problems like this.
Before finishing, let me take your attention to ipaq 4150. It is, in my opinion, the best PPC that has been designed. The lightest and fastest of all PPCs that has 400 MHz processor and built in Wi-Fi and BT. It also has a very sharp screen and built in widdcom stack. It is also very cheap in ebay. It may be a solution to processor power demanding applications.
These are all I can write.
Cheers.
What about the MIO A701. It has a built in GPS receiver. 8)
You can pre-order at Expansys: http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=134278
No transflecting TFT
Had an A701 for a while. Having a transmissive TFT LCD (versus Transflective) is a serious handicap for any daylight/outdoor navigation, while this is one of device's main reasons of being.
In principle, I would suggest to avoid transmissive LCD for any use model involving outdoor activity, inclusive of Dailight driving. This technology is older than Transflective (actually was replaced by the latter) and comes back now as a measure of lowering production cost .
To those unfamilliar with the terms, the transflective LCD self reflects any front lighting (including Sun's), while at same time being backlit. This is "enjoying both worlds" and allows near optimal viewing all-arround (indoors/outdoors). Of course it is also expensive. On the opposite side there's Transmissive LCD that usually involves back lighting (exclusively) via a transparent LCD panel. Direct front light practically kills any decent chance to view the screen which becomes (in various levels) a mirror...
There were some discussions on this forum, where some claimed that a certain provider in Europe offers "dimmer" and narrower angle-of-view Prophets, different than generic iMate/Qtek. A quick search here will show screenshots which are pretty clear.
I haven't materially seen this provider's Prophet, but a look on a Mio A701 screen outdoors can easily be self explaining (BTW so is Atom and a whole new line of new devices with "retro" cheeper screens.
Go prophet! Mine loads slowly, 2:25 due to WA2 and WAD, but afterwards is quite snapy. 3 secs for opening win folder! No regrets whatsoever...
OK, my mind is now made up.
After some comments here, and a review of the JAMin against the Atom on another forum (in particular using Oziexplorer which is one thing I specifically want), I am buying the JAMin. Seems much better and faster in many respects, and cheaper, and I can use my full size SD cards.....
Now I just need to find the best deal.
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I am so amazingly happy since I made the switch from Universal to Wizard.
The Universal, whilst clearly higher spec, more powerful, more impressive screen etc - was an unusable bit of kit. I battled and battled and battled - I wanted this 'superior' equipment to serve me well. I upgraded and tested various ROMs, tried every minor registry tweak and software trick known to man. Despite everyone in the Universal forum saying it *was* possible to get a solid, fast, reliable setup - I battled hard but never got close. It was still impossible to do the important little things like make or receive calls reliably, perhaps with one hand.
The Wizard is a proper phone - you can hold it between your ear and shoulder whilst stirring pasta with one hand and sipping vodka in the other.
The Wizard has proper buttons, ones that get used. The Universal had a multitude of useless buttons on the side that got pressed by accident thereby hanging Windows so that when you wanted to actually do something you may as well reset. The Universal had stereo speakers for God's sake. STEREO SPEAKERS? Does anyone else see the stupidity of such a thing? The whole point of stereo is that one channel feeds sound to one ear and the other channel to the other ear. What's more, the Wizard's handsfree speaker is clearer and brighter than the Universal's stereo speakers.
On the Wizard, I can make phone calls with one hand. I can pick up calls straight away, with one hand - I press the button and I'm talking immediately. With the Universal, not so. It's a long process involving three steps, invariably failing in most cases resulting in my having to call the other person back. Useless.
Sure, the Universal has a 520MHz processor. And when it's all optimised you really can feel the speed. But frankly that processor power is wasted on the most basic and major functions: the screen flip when answering a call. With the Wizard, sometimes screen flip lags, but thankfully I don't need to wait for the screen to flip just to answer the call!
That little Wizard collapsing stylus is a gem.
Here's what I use my Wizard for. I'm sure we are all used to this amount of functionality from one device - I've had most of it for years. But finally I have something close to the perfect all-in-one, and I'm happy!
Phone
Text messages
Voice command and phone in the car
Alarm clock (using the app Chronos) - how brilliant
Notebook
Calendar
Email on the move
Satellite navigation - tells me to slow down for speed cameras and talks to me when I get lost in London!
Portable music player (gigabyte mini SD card for MP3s)
Camera
Checking the news with RSS reader
Checking the next few days' weather in London from Today screen
I've even experimented with streaming video from my desktop over wireless. Works a treat, can watch a whole episode of The OC.
Yes, I can get rid of my old sat nav unit, my old pda, my old phone, my ipod, my alarm clock. It's everything in one tiny but beautifully usable package. (Actually, not entirely true, see below.)
There is ONE thing I am disappointed with. I had really hoped to eliminate the need for buying myself a new ipod. I am happy with a gigabyte of music - it seems fine to copy music as and when I need it. However I connected up my lovely Shure sound isolating headphones and the quality of the sound wasn't what I had hoped for. So sad about this - good sound would have completed the perfect package. There's just too much noise on the output, and the sound is horribly mid-range distorted. Gutted.
Anyway, I had to get this all out of my system - overall I am a very happy Universal to Wizard convert.
Thanks for listening
Mat
I can confirm all that. I ditched my Universal a week ago and bought a Wizard: Its LIGHTYEARS better in ease of use., speed, etc.
DO NOT BY UNIVERSAL. IT SUCKS BADLY !!!
completely agree. if i wanted a proper tiny computer i would buy a toshiba libretto. not the flawed, heavy and unstable universal.
Sounds right - the thing to remeber is that threse units are no laptops.... they are PDAs with phones ( not phones with PDAs if you see what I mean ).
Having swapped form a Jornada 540 I probably wont see the difrence your talking about but as a I can access most of the major features - Sat Nav / Phone / PIM I'm happy - its a portable viewer and ideal for when I am not in my own car.
Re the Ipod - doubt you'll beat that in this case - thats an Audio device - this is one that can do audio if you see what I mean.
Glad you like the change.
Terran
I'm finding this a very interesting topic.
I've just switched from aHP iPaq hx4705 to a Universal and so far I have been very pleased. however the choice between the Universal and the Wizard was a difficult one for me as I wanted a connected PocketPC / Windows Mobile device as opposed to a phone with a PPC in it.
My iPaq has clearly paid for itself in 15 months and time was right for an upgrade to WM5 and full connectivity. However my decision between these two devices was clouded I had a small chance to play with the Wizard in Dixon's one day when there was no Universal to play with.
And I liked it. Small, responsive, good lucks, surprising good keyboard (I wasn't sure what to expect to be honest) - all in all very good.
However I need to run a couple of power apps - PI and Planmaker - and I wasn't sure how it would cope.
I then had a try on a Universal in a O2 shop and I liked that. Everything looked good especially the screen (smaller than my iPaq but possibly even better quality) and the general speed.
So I got to the point to go for one of these. Initial cost wasn't a big deal as I was getting it on a contract with only about £50 difference between the two. And at this price £50 isn't enough to worry about.
I've currently got a Universal and am typing this out on it now. I'm loving it but that doesn't mean that the Wizard wouldn't also suit me as well. I have another 11 days before I lose the chance to take this back and swap it and I would really like to know from those of you using the Wizard how it copes with things like Planmaker due to the processor and the smaller screen size.
What a difficult choice though?! Two great devices to choose between.
I have an xda exec and xda mini s or wizard (two separate contracts). Both brill bits of kit. I use the exec for planmaker and textmaker and the xda mini just as a bit of fun. I like gadgets. You can't fault either device. I use both equally but for different purposes. I also used to have ipaq's for years but i wanted thephone functionality. The exec makes a wonderful mini laptop and the wizard a super ppc. If you shop around you can get bothdevices on contracts which added together give you a great deal in minutes+texts etc. yet give you the devices at a bargain price.
best wishes
Patricia
I agree. There really are some amazing devices out there at the moment and I am really pleased to be using one of them.
At the moment I can't see me getting rid of the Universal for a Wizard but that is because I have a clear idea of what I am after in this device. The Universal I know already after a few days is meeting my full needs.
Maybe if things go well I can buy a Wizard sometime late in 2006 when I guess they will drop in price! Just don't tell the wife!
dnt regret my purchase of a wizard. hope it stands the test of time and I'm using it for a long time. I think the trick to enjoying it is to remember in reality its your phone, everything else is a bonus.
i like to have 2 or 3 devices on the go and find if u shop around u can get really good deals recooping losses later by selling the devices on.the wizard is being offered for a small price on contract and like all similar devices will hold its value so why wait.i enjoy using the exec and wizardand find both equal as regards performance and functionality.planmaker, textmaker and tom tom work great on the exec whereas i use the wizard more for the phone side.
my other half uses tom tom but finds everything else a waste of time.i always have to explain that when we broke down in france this year in the motorhome my devices came to the rescue. tom tom for navigation and the predecessor to the xda mini a magician a great way to communicate to the rescue service and to find the nearest garage for repairs etc.
best wishes
patricia
Wizard v Universal
The wizard really is a great piece of kit but the BIG disadvantage for me is the missing 3G radio.
We have been crying out for this type of pocket pc ever since 3G was launched and I must say the breach has been filled admirably.
Obviously size is important and having owned both (and still do) I would agree that that the universal platform is not the most stable and the last thing you want to do is take a call on the Universal whilst in public
I have managed to incorporate all the settings taken from a symbian platform handset ie Nokia 6680 and managed to use the device successfully even browsing with the '3' homepage. The security of the '3' was the most difficult to crack and I can now download the various downloads offered by the cheapest network.
I also have subscribed to the £45 package which gives you 512mb of bundled data which allows me to visit other sites now the 'garden wall' has been demolished once and for all. This really is where the universal comes into its own.
One thing I will agree with is the size prevents use as a normal handset so I use a bluetooth headset with the appopriate hacks from the wi-ki developers page.
I cant help thinking that the Universal would be a far slimmer device if they hadn't incorporated the keyboard which I find absolutely useless due to my prolonged use of the graffiti facility(far quicker to write anyway).
I look forward to a new alternative to the Universal which may do away with the keypad once and for all. This should make the device a more suitable size instead of the similarities with the old handhelds ie HP 720 and the like which I'm sure many of us remember.
I think this is crucial given that devices like the Sony Ericsson P990i are just about to be launched with 3g capability and many people will see this as a more pocketable phone/pda. Not in the same league I agree as a windows mobile 5 device but still blessed with a good email client and now of course wi-fi.
Just my personal experience but I felt necessary to post in order to even things up a little bit.
Re: Wizard v Universal
jonboy8841 said:
The wizard really is a great piece of kit but the BIG disadvantage for me is the missing 3G radio.
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2 things... is it '3' that no longer have a walleed garden ? Im just curious...
Re 3G ( and I know this is Off topic ) - is it me or is there no actual use for 3G for joe public ? Yes I can understand business use and to a certian point show off to your mates video calling but until its on all networks and all phones ( inc fixed ) in all contries its best feature wont be used... again another reason to go for the Wizard rather than Universal.
Terran
PS Before any one says 'but you can watch TV' DVB-H will kick that in to touch soon
3G makes a BIG difference if you actually go websurfing... (which is actually the only reason I find it interesting, I really don't care about video calling, actually I really hope it wont become standard for a long time)
I don't have a universal, but I'm guessing the bigger screen (and more importantly resolution), along with the 3G, makes it perfectly suitable to websurfing.
Universal is a great gadget, but it is not a usable phone. The way I see it it can be used as a small notebook, provided you don't expect too much. VGA and UMTS are great for browsing and mail. Also connected with BT mouse it can be used for Word or Excel (TextMaker and PlanMaker) and even Project. The issue is only that lack of USB Host and no Video out mean it can't be used as full laptop. So it comes down to personal preference and at least for Phone and PDA I'm going with Wizard for small notebook we'll see...
Finraziel said:
3G makes a BIG difference if you actually go websurfing... (which is actually the only reason I find it interesting, I really don't care about video calling, actually I really hope it wont become standard for a long time)
I don't have a universal, but I'm guessing the bigger screen (and more importantly resolution), along with the 3G, makes it perfectly suitable to websurfing.
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Wizzard supports EDGE, it is more than enough to do web-sirfing..
It's really interesting to see how different members use their devices-I didn't realise when i first purchased the exec that i needed a different sim card and tariff to use 3g. I think 3g is also more expensive and as other members have commented limited by network coverage and most people still having basic handsets. None of my contacts use 3g-in fact they find my interest in these amazing gadgets bemusing, eccentric...This doesn't bother me but thankgoodness there are othersout there who share my interest.
I really didn't think that the difference between 3g and a good gprs was much. i played with both in the o2 shop and couldn't think of a reason to buy the universal, although it does have a few advantages.
FYI I have a vodaphone 3g motorola 770 as my main phone (cost £90 payg) and I successfully linked the wizard to it via bluetooth and surfed at 3g speed. So I have the option if needed.
One other advantage to 3G is that in a few months you will be able to dial into video servers that will have news, television, etc going over the circuit switched network, so you'll have much more reliable and responsive service, if you're willing to use your video minutes on it.
With the new ROM, i'm glad i didn't give up my universal. It is now worlds faster WITHOUT any tweaking, and even more with tweaking.
I also had the Universal or WIzard dilema and only one factor mattered to me : SCREEN REAL ESTATE!
Guess who won
Me = Wizard ---> Universal
Agree Jorgee.
The universal with the latest O2 rom is working super. With the next rom update, with radio version 1.09 and push email it will be even better.
I had a wizard for a few months and had to get rid of it.
Firstly note that I do not use either as a phone. i have a small cell phone for voice calls. I use these devices as my pocket pc with data only tariffs (a key advantage of o2 above all the other providers).
In this context the Wizard is really not a player:
1. Terribly slow cpu and os
2. Screen too small
3. No VGA.
4. Too slow to run skype well
5. Too thick (universal is thinner) - difficult to fit in backpack with papers.
6. Horrible stylus
7. Minisd card. All my deivces use SD. Its another std too far.
8. Non-std headphone socket
9. No 3g. GPRS web browsing is a joke.
Sry guys, but as a PDA there is no contest!
All,
I currently have a Blue Angel and thinking of getting a Wizard. I would like to know is the CPU as powerful as the BA?
Also what is the Wizard like in terms or stablity and does TomTom 5.21 work?
Thanks
Msuk
Tom Tom
Tom Tom 5.21 definitely works. can't comment on processor speed between the two though. sorry.
BA: processor is 400mhz (roughly)
Wizard: processor is 200 mhz (roughly)
However, they are different processor types, and different operating systems. I just did this upgrade and will never look back. I mean, the Wizard is a hell of alot faster working around windows (provided you don't have too many apps running at once). The close button of SPB Pocket PLus ensures that.
The only area I notice the slowness in is media player. The Wizard struggles a little, but it has a smaller screen of the same resolution so you can run lower quality media without being able to notice.
Overclocking the Wizard to at least 240mhz is perfectly stable, is easy and makes alot of difference too! Gives it the extra kick it needs.
The main difference however is THE WIZARD WORKS! It's reliable, unlike the bug-ridden Blue Angel. You can actually use it as a phone and be sure it will recieve the calls (with sound unlike on the BA).
Also, I have only had to reset my Wizard once since I got it about a week ago! The BA needed resetting like 3 times every day at least, even after severe hacking!
Have never tried tomtom
-Mike
heres a review I did on the 2 of them. My wizard is the 8125, my blue angel was the SX66.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=41161
Hope it helps.
Later; Lew
Hi,
I'm in the (un?)lucky position of rolling out 14 devices to our Managers and they WERE going to be Qtek 9100s (HTC Wizard) from Vodafone until someone pointed out the 'better' Vodafone 1605 (TyTN).
As far as I can see there's not much in it apart from the TyTN having a facelift, better spec camera (+ one more camera), 3G capabilities, but having popped along here for some insight, I am concerned about the screen alignment issue (can't be having 14 pissed off Managers after my blood) and other general gripes so what would you guys do - stick with the 9100 (Wizard) or go for the 1605 (TyTN)?
Is the 9100 a better (safer, tried and more tested) bet?
I've had a 9100 to play with for a few days and it seems fine - if a little suggish even when overclocked to 240Mhz - does the TyTN's different processor make a lot of difference?
Also (a bit OT - hope you don't mind), as we're not on a 3G tariff (I presume?! - do you have to specifically ask for this on Vodafone business? We don't really want or need it), do we just ignore the 3Gness of the TyTN or will it 'do' 3G whenever and wherever it can?
Thanks
L3K
Really no comparison, the Tytn is what you want the wizard to be. You should try both and see the real difference. Its like night and day...The wizard was good, but needed a little more speed and refinement. The Tytn is almost there.. Again try both before making your decision. Good Luck.
I would also point out that the jog wheel makes navigation much easier, especially of contacts.
the whole unit is far more responsive and the extra browsing speed may be useful for retrieving e-mails.
I AM a Manager, Past CEO, now Director of Telemedicine activities.
I have both, Wizard (overclocked to 240, omapclock 0.4) and TyTN and I had almost all releases of Windows Ce since the first Casio Caiopeia.
DON'T BUY a TyTN NOW IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR JOB
Wizard ROM is Stable, (I have last I-Mate) the speed in all days activities is more or less the same between TyTN and overclocked Wizard, if you are in an EDGE area the GSM data speed is really faster enought to have fast e-mail and IE navigation.
TyTN is UNSTABLE, software and hw problems, like SD card problems (it disappear sometimes), windows media scrambled MSMETADATA, hangup during sync, some appz not compatible, Screen aligment issue, lot of small bugs also with "side" features, like camera and USB Sync (like wizard first rom) .
If they NEED video telefony is the only real PRO, but UNIVERSAL is a better solution, closer price, or new MITAC or Motorola one hand device ( this isn't the good forum to compare ).
So WAIT new hardware release and new ROM release, and tell them that they have to work so 80% MTBF isn't enought (Medium Time Between Fault)
We (here) are a special group of technology entusiast, and are the real wide beta testers, but business is business
sergiopi said:
I AM a Manager, Past CEO, now Director of Telemedicine activities.
I have both, Wizard (overclocked to 240, omapclock 0.4) and TyTN and I had almost all releases of Windows Ce since the first Casio Caiopeia.
DON'T BUY a TyTN NOW IF YOU CARE ABOUT YOUR JOB
Wizard ROM is Stable, (I have last I-Mate) the speed in all days activities is more or less the same between TyTN and overclocked Wizard, if you are in an EDGE area the GSM data speed is really faster enought to have fast e-mail and IE navigation.
TyTN is UNSTABLE, software and hw problems, like SD card problems (it disappear sometimes), windows media scrambled MSMETADATA, hangup during sync, some appz not compatible, Screen aligment issue, lot of small bugs also with "side" features, like camera and USB Sync (like wizard first rom) .
If they NEED video telefony is the only real PRO, but UNIVERSAL is a better solution, closer price, or new MITAC or Motorola one hand device ( this isn't the good forum to compare ).
So WAIT new hardware release and new ROM release, and tell them that they have to work so 80% MTBF isn't enought (Medium Time Between Fault)
We (here) are a special group of technology entusiast, and are the real wide beta testers, but business is business
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Sergio,
I think that is a bit sensationalist. I have not had the SA issues with the latest v1605's S/N HT631x. I'd be surprised if the other issues that are being reported are not by people that are trying to use the device as a power device, running multimedia video and audio, games etc, not in the slightest in the way that a business user would be using it. I never had the issues that were reported with the Wizard, but a lot of people expect devices to be stable using software not designed for the chipsets and/or operating systems IMHO.
@linker I would look over at our review of the v1605 on www.4winmobile.com and also ask Voda for a trial version of the Treo 750v and the v1605. Make it clear to them that you expect devices that have been tested prior to shipment for the keyboard issues. The QTek 9100 is also know to be buggy, more than the other iterations AFAIK.
Believe me, the most important thing in a Manager mind is: "it had to work anytime, anywere, the only thing I can accept is to charge the battery!"
Read the tyTn and the wizard forums: tytn forum is full of "problems", wizard forum is full of "enhancements", and this is normal, the first has only 3-4 months of wide beta, the second is on the wild since one year.
Gold business lesson: don't be the first, try to be the SECOND! (so called "the windows lesson" )
I think I am a power user, but:
if I put away my SD I am afraid every time I have to put it in again, 50% not recognized at first insert.
- I am resetting my TyTn once a day (new USB drivers?)
- I still haven't heard ANY OFFICIAL NEWS that Screen aligment issue was solved
- I still have to delete manually MSMETADATA every day to have again my video and music list
- I can hangup my TyTN in several well known ways...
- HTC Service is not as good as we expected
So may be he will have still is job after swapping the management to TyTN, but he WILL BE VERY BUSY
Hi Guys - just to update you -
My Vodafone direct business sales contact spoke to their techies and they confirmed the screen problem.
Vodafone are sending me a 1605 to check out so I am going to bash it around (in the most technical sense possible) for a couple of days to see what happens)
I have both the Wizard and Tytn, using them on the Cingular network in California. On the latest ROM, overclocked to 260MHz (using BatteryStatus), the user interface is responsive enough to be usable, and the Wizard is stable for 6 to 8 weeks at a time, sometimes even longer. I have problems with the TyTn every few hours to every few days. The TyTN hardware is superior, but the software is worse than a lot of Beta software I've played with.
If my job were on the line, I would definitely go with the Wizard at this point.
linker3000 said:
Hi Guys - just to update you -
My Vodafone direct business sales contact spoke to their techies and they confirmed the screen problem.
Vodafone are sending me a 1605 to check out so I am going to bash it around (in the most technical sense possible) for a couple of days to see what happens)
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Bad (phones) girls are for fun, good (phones) girls are for business
Bored of those "my Tytn has this defect, my Tytn does not do this" threads, lets start a new subject: A better Tytn? Eten M700
In the Internet you can come across the info on a new communicator – E-Ten M700. The announcement is expected in November. And now we have some preliminary info.
The M700 is said to inherit from E-Ten Glofiish X500 the support of GPS and Wi-Fi. The model will be the first in the lineup to have a sliding QWERTY-keyboard.
The communicator is expected to support 3G networks and carry 256 MB of flash ROM onboard. Some sources name smaller memory size – 128 MB.
Source: Mobilnaut.cz
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It is fake ...
No wheel? No OK/Win buttons? No 3G? No front camera? And what's with the vertical D-pad?
Obviously (Assuming it's not a fake) this is a mock up, and specs aren't final, but the only plus I can see for it is GPS, which I'm not bothered about on a non-VGA device anyway. And if you do like the idea of GPS, bluetooth ones are cheap.
Not to say that it doesn't look to be decent, and more device competition is always good for all of us, but unless the (wildly varying) rumoured specs are wrong, it's certainly no all-round Tytn beater.
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It is fake ...
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Yes. It looks fake. Keyboard is open, but devce is still in portrait not landscape! But keys asume landscape mode. Mabe this is a shot of a clay model
Possibly not a fake but not real either. Maybe an earliy mock-up and certaibly not anything nearing release.
Notice the keyboard (not just orientation) but that set of blue lines. They are graphically added - the keys are truncated by the lines and not evenly either, you can barely see the top of the F and yet there's lots of space under the R.
In any case this would be an older generation non-3g device with no video calling.
Actually quite like the styling - more lively than HTCs austere offering.
Mike
Seriously - how can anyone not tell the difference between a drawing and a photo when it's as obvious as that? The number of places I've seen this image this week and instead of debate about the device itself, just a load of "OMG ITS FAKE!!!" comments. No, it's not "fake", it's an illustration. I've seen monsters in Quake 2 that I've thought are more real-looking.
Grrr.
Of course it doesn't help when the person posting it (not the case here) claims that it's a photo!
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Seriously - how can anyone not tell the difference between a drawing and a photo when it's as obvious as that? The number of places I've seen this image this week and instead of debate about the device itself, just a load of "OMG ITS FAKE!!!" comments. No, it's not "fake", it's an illustration. I've seen monsters in Quake 2 that I've thought are more real-looking.
Grrr.
Of course it doesn't help when the person posting it (not the case here) claims that it's a photo!
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Quite right! Trouble is it's not easy to debate seriously when there is no reliable source of info on specs for possible device. Like debating the shape of a melting jelly.
Mike
M700, its reality guys!!
Hi
This is a new release to Eten range.
E-TEN M700 Specification
Operating System Windows Mobile™ 5.0 software for Pocket PCs
Processor Samsung SC3 2442 400 MHz Processor
Memory 128 MB Flash ROM, 64 MB SDRAM
Display 2.8", 240 x 320, 65,536 colors TFT-LCD
Dimensions(LxWxH) 117.5 x 59 x 19.8 mm
Weight 165g (with battery)
Communications
GSM/EDGE Quad-band: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
GPRS/EGPRS Class B, Multi-slot Class 10
Bluetooth® v2.0 class 2 + EDR (Enhanced Data Rate)
WiFi® IEEE802.11b/g Certificated
Camera Built-in 2.0 mega pixels CMOS camera, up to 1600 x 1200 resolution
Expansibility MicroSD card slot
Interface/Audio Built-in microphone and speaker, external stereo headset jack
Interface/Data Mini USB Sync, headset jack,
Ergonomic Design
Touch screen for stylus or fingertip, navigation button, power button, 4 quick application buttons,
send/end button, record button, volume control,
Slide out Qwerty Keyboard with 39 keys
Battery
Lithium Polymer rechargeable with 1,530 mAh capacity
Talk time* : 5~7 hours
Standby* : 150~200 hours,
Pocket PC usage* : 10~15 hours
GPS usage* : 5~7 hours
* depend on usage
Software(pre-loaded*)
Windows Mobile™ 5.0 software for Pocket PCs, Microsoft® Office Outlook® Mobile (Calendar,
Contacts, Tasks and Inbox), Picture, Notes, Microsoft® Office Word Mobile, Microsoft® Office
Excel® Mobile, Internet Explorer Mobile, ActiveSync, Calculator, Game (Solitaire, Bubble
Breaker), Voice Recorder, Microsoft® Office PowerPoint® Mobile, MSN® Messenger,
Microsoft® Transcriber, Windows Media® Player 10, Microsoft Reader* (* depends on region)
E-TEN Exclusive
Applications
Phone Tools: Phone Application*, Phone Setting, SIM Toolkit, Speed Dial, Call Filter, Wireless
Modem, Dialer Skin, Add Ringtone, CSD Type, Voice Commander*, Connection Wizard, SMS
Sender, SIM Manager, Skype Receiver Switch (*subject to change by region)
Multimedia Tools: Image Wizard, Image Maker, Multimedia Manager, Camera, Camcorder, FM
Tuner
MMS Message
Utilities: Quick Link, Battery Meter, Zoom SMS, Bluetooth Manager, M-Desk, Scenario, Backup
Utility, Application Recovery, Wireless Manager, Easy Keyboard
GPS Tools: Satellite Data Update, Location SMS, GPS Viewer
Packing List
E-TEN M700, stylus, Mini USB sync cable , AC adapter, headset, leather case, Companion CD,
quick start guide, standard battery.
Accessories
(Optional)
Battery pack, car charger, portable keyboard, Bluetooth® GPS kit, Bluetooth® Headset.
basically its a X500 Glofiish with a QWERTY keyboard.
I think thta it is a different design and i personal welcome change, the current form factor is so common and considering looks it doesnt look as bad as the WIZA 100 aka Cingular 8125.
regards
reo
reo
What is the source of your information?
Mike
the information is all valid, trust me.
i will have 1 in my hands soon, will give you guys more details about it.
reo
There's no UMTS/HSDPA... why are we even talking about this thing.
E-ten m700 foto
hi-quality e-ten m700 fotos
Actual photos? Well, that's not bad for a "fake" device. lol
Anyway, specs-wise it looks to be very similar to the Hermes. While it has GPS going for it, there's no 3G, it's bigger, worse UI, and a gimmicky looking keyboard.
Still, for anyone not bothered by those, the GPS could make it a good device for them.
HI
well it lacks 3G which actually if it did have it would set it apart form any device.
about the keyboard, well i dunno mate but to me i think this an original idea, its something more contemporary and concidering we livin in an age of advanced handheld devices there is very limited changes to the look and feel of them which is kinda wierd. this is the metamorphosis... i hope.
reo
I'm sure the keyboard is of good quality, but I find those glowing lines overpower it, and I just see them more than the keys itself, which is very distracting.
MAybe it's different in person though, I certainly hope so. It'd be a shame to ruin an otherwise good keyboard with some gimmicky glowing lines.
No 3G, in my opinion the screen is to small for the casing. There is no way that this could even possibly rival the Hermes in my opinion.
No 3G ? I will pass.
reo said:
the information is all valid, trust me.
i will have 1 in my hands soon, will give you guys more details about it.
reo
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Where are you getting it?
GPS is a great thing, but keep in mind, that it doesn't make a lot of sense without corresponding application. At this time only car navigation applications are available, for which you don't need an integrated GPS receiver. An external one has even advantages in terms of placing it in your car, so it provides better reception.
There are almost no GPS-based location based services for pedestrians available and even if so, accuracy of conventional GPS is mostly too bad in urban canyons. Without A-GPS you have very little use in the city, also because your battery will run empty quickly.
And for hiking or other outdoor activities I will never take my precious TyTN along with me, but use an old-style Magellan receiver.
I would never swap 3G-capabilites for GPS!
Some pics...
http://www.eten-users.net/index.php?showtopic=5145&st=15
Hi,
I finally got an Athena in my hands today (no I did not buy it, just tested it in the store).
Here is what I have to say - bear in mind that I have an BA (Qtek 9090) for more than 2 years and for about one month I have an Universal.
1) Screen: fantastic! Big, 640x480, bright. But... I thought it was 800x600? Anyway, the screen looks much better than the one of my Universal.
2) Keyboard: when I first saw pictures and read about the "magnetic" keyboard, my first thought was: what a piece of ****! It will never hold... Today I was corrected: the magnets are great and it is very stable. Unfortunatly I could not try it out as a cover/in closed state, due to the security-device of the store, which was glued on the inside of the keyboard.
3) Software: it had WM5 installed. Hmmm... my Universal is running WM6. WM5 is yesterday! I checked the HTC webpage and there is a new Athena model, with the only difference being the shipped WM6. This is at least ridiculous! Can existing Athena customers upgrade? The one I had did have a portuguese WM5, which was nice to see. If they bring out a portuguese WM6 for Athena, could that be used in some way for my Universal's cooked WM6?
4) Features: I did not try the camera and the GPS receiver did not work inside the store, but the feature-list is impressive.
Overall opinion:
Good
- screen is fabulous
- keyboard seems ok, even being attached by magnets only
- impressive hardware specs (CPU, RAM, GPS, WLAN, etc.)
Bad
- should have WM6
- only few pre-installed programs
- and... IT IS BIG, IT IS REALLY BIG
If you thought that the Universal is big - take a look at the Athena!
This is not a phone, it is a small tablet PC.
And here is the problem: I think it is cheaper/more functional to purchase an Asus R2H and a regular phone (or just stick to the Universal).
This way you get a real tablet PC (a small one), but with Windows XP, which means you actually get software for it!
1100 Euro is a lot of money for this device.
Cheers,
vma