german version of the xda-developers rom 1.2 - MDA, XDA, 1010 Software Upgrading

hi guys
first of all thanks a lot for your work, it helped me out a lot and especially letting me get to know my new device much better and easier.
i just have some hard time setting up your xda special rom image. with an english version built in linux flashed with the bootloader way and xdarit.exe, it worked out fine but when i tried to built my own german version, it just shows the splash screen, at the lower right corned it show that the system initialised (with this g32S54 ; R3.17.01 message written in red) but than it just freezes and cannot be started.
i somehow tried it with a german t-mobile image, an old o2 image and the newest o2 image and i got the same problem everytime.
is there a way to get the german version running ? since i'm in need of the special signs or does your mkrom script just runs on an english image ?
greetz
joey

To be honest, we never really tested mkROM much on German versions. But there's new developments on the horizon, and you may like what's coming...

But there's new developments on the horizon, and you may like what's coming...
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What do you mean with that??? A universal multilanguage SE??? Special german ROM???
Please give more details...

Hi All,
English is ok for me. I just would like to get a german qwertz keyboard on it.
If anybody has freeware suggestions let me know.
regards,
Silver

did you mkrom, to extract the xipchain from your rom?
the offsets used in mkrom may need to be changed. currently these are all hardcoded for the qtek rom. have not looked at other roms.

thanks for the hint, i'm just about to try that, just did not recognize this xipchains script. but i'm working on that.
but since my knowledge is not that good it may take a while...
more hints are welcome .
actually this german qwertz keyboard is the most important thing for me too.. but having also a german language just makes navigating much quicker, and since there are a lot of people around here being interested in your special rom, because the original once just suck and are totally unusable. and yours seems to run very stable...
greetz at all
joey

Silversurfer said:
Hi All,
English is ok for me. I just would like to get a german qwertz keyboard on it.
If anybody has freeware suggestions let me know.
regards,
Silver
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Sorry, no freeware, but there is an application called calligrapher, wich is a handwriting recognition thingy, far better than transscriber. It can use custom dictionaries and has a better keyboard included with it. I use it all the time with a dutch upgrade. You can get the german one if you like and youll have the qwertz keyboard. (Because of a bug, the dutch version also has qwertz).

I have also tried to built a German one...see http://www.xda-developers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1490&highlight=dolo
So I am even not sure if my Linux solution is the right one, or the hardcoded stuff is tricking me.
so any clue on how to get mkrom on German ROM running is apreciated.
Dolo

just checked the 3.19.01 german rom, the MISC block is larger than in the qtek rom. now it is partially overwritten by the XDA_DEVELOPERS1 block.
you would have to change the start of xda_developers1 to 81840000,
and also make it smaller, since not everything will fit anymore.

hey that sounds cool, but how do i do that ?
deleting some files out of the files2 directory ?
and how do i set the start block ? sorry did not have enough time to read through all the readme and how to files...
thanks a lot
joey

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Intellipad problem

Hoping there's a simple explanation for this annoying problem ...
Upgraded my XDAII to WM2003SE - all went smoothly and fine. Extended ROM installed IntelliDial and also IntelliPad.
Now IntelliDial works just fine, no problems at all. IntelliPad however I cannot get to work. It's installed correctly (as it shows up in the drop down menu on Settings/Input) ..
However when I goto Notes, or Create New Message, I still get the standard keyboard. If I 'hit' the keyboard logo (bottom right of the screen), then amongst the options that 'pop-up' I get an entry for IntelliPad. If I select IntelliPad however, nothing happens - it still defaults back to keyboard !!!
What am I doing wrong ??? Any idea's ?
Thanks
Mark
Sounds strange, probably something went wrong during install.
What version do you use?
How about un-install & re-install?
I installed the one that was posted by DCS in the external ROM package @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13588&start=0
It's on an UK O2 XDAII.
Can anyone recommend another suitable IntelliPad download perhaps ?
Thanks
Mark
I might have fixed it
Downloaded the German IntelliPad that was posted @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=13066&highlight=.
Changed the language to English and it now appears ? Maybe there is a problem with the other version ?
The German version that I downloaded is v1.0 (Build 17286) - anyone know what version / build number the DCS is ?
Cheers
Mark
Plz note the custimized (that is de-T-Mobile-ised) version posted (under custom skin)
Cheers edsub
Have found it & installed it. It works just fine !!!
I'm a happy bunny now - many thanks again.
Mark
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@mark.peters
where do find the intelli dialer. because i have the same problem as you .
how to add IntelliDial into my win2003se 2.06wwe?
i just upgrade to win2003se 2.06
pls show some direction...
@psychoo
@psychoo
here's some files for u.
I had the same problem, but even after taking the english version off and installing the german, it eventualy goes wrong again.
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j2innet said:
@psychoo
here's some files for u.
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Halo,
I just install the German version, how to uninstall it? coz I want to install the English one.
Thanks a lot
I have installed IntelliPad & IntelliDialer on my XDA,, it worked just fine, but it killed my GPRS connection
I can't connect to GPRS no more, I have to hard reset my device
anyone can help??!!!!!!
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lb092003 said:
j2innet said:
@psychoo
here's some files for u.
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Halo,
I just install the German version, how to uninstall it? coz I want to install the English one.
Thanks a lot
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sorry. u need to search for others help. i myself also don't know how to uninstall it. there is no uninstall for this. manual job is needed.

XDA O2 Mini S - keyboard problems

Hello all, newbie here. I bought a new XDA O2 Mini S on eBay (eBay item number 5837326300), and I just got it. Phone and internet works great with my Cingular GSM/GPRS service here the US...however, the keyboard mapping is messed up. The auction listing said it was a QWERTZ (whatever that is) keyboard and I believe it has an i-Mate ROM. My Z and Y are reversed and several shift+ inputs do not match what is on the keyboard. Here is the info from my device:
Model No.: WIZA200
Windows Mobile 5.0 (build 14402.1.1.0)
ROM version: 1.1.93
ROM date: 9/16/05
Radio version: 01.01.10
Protocol version: 4.0.13.16
ExtROM version: 1.1.9.106
Can someone please tell me how to get the keyboard to match the inputs listed on the keys? Sorry if this thread already exists somewhere...I couldn't find any relevant posts via forum search. Could someone also tell me if i should re-flash with a new ROM?
Thanks in advance! -Bill (Columbus OH, USA)
Could someone lend some advice please? this keyboard is driving me nuts. thanks!
Qwertz is the Croatian keyboard layout.
Is there an international setting that you can change?
I can't try it as mine Vario doesn't get delivered until tomorrow
But I won't be able to play until Saturday as it's my works Christmas 'do' tomorrow
Qwertz is the Croatian keyboard layout
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also german
regards
And swiss :wink: Sorry, it does not help. Are you sure that the guy that sold you the device has not installed another rom?
we need only the keybddr.dll from a qwertz device, but nobody
can copy this file. (attribut system und much more)
regards
Hello,
can anyone with an qwertz device start this attached program ?
This will dump all system files on storage card.
Then post please here the keybbdr.dll
thx
regards
Already tried. The DLL is badly extracted. Size is wrong. And if you try to use it, there is no keyboard anymore. Tried on two M3000. Unfortunately, didn't have time to check further (if additional files or registry settings are required for exemple).
Hi jacoch,
are you using the WM5_Files_Dumper.exe ?
regards
Yes, I used that one (and also tested testwm5 found on another thread). It's quite strange, because all files are dumped correctly (html, images, etc...). But all DLL have wrong size, although their content seems correct (apport last bytes of course). I have tried to cut the DLL at the right size, but it didn't work. So if someone has time to look further, he maybe can find the trick.
You may try to use AEKMap ([url]http://ae.inc.ru/aekmap.php) [/url] for make A<-->Z replacement.
but @ and ! are wrong ...
regards
the same to @ and !
can you upload the keymap file you are using ?
regards
I have no layout file to fix this issue because I have no such device at all. But as far as I know AEKMap beta was used for resolving similar problem on BlueAngel (and you may find this layout somewhere on the beta version page). And I will gladly publish such layout in database and present reg code to anyone who will send me new useful layout
:?
last week i download AEKMap and has try 5 hours to modify
one map to get the @
No chance with the keyboad from the wizard.
Other peoples has the same problem with @ and AEKMap and
the device htc wizard.
regards
As you may note the new version 1.1 was published two days ago instead of 0.9.4 Beta available since 2004. Probably this version will resolve the problem.
Could you please describe me, why you were unsucessful trying beta? Are needed keys were not cacheable? Or any other reason?
i try the new version now
my last AEKMap.arm.CAB has 97kb size
regards
Many thanks to greddy, German layout for wizard with QUERTZ keyboard and English ROM is on http://ae.inc.ru/aekmaplayout.php!
I have spent few hours in trying to figure if I can assign a button for changing layouts.
I have k-jam and I have 2 language support on it - english and german.
How can I toggle between those 2? I want to have a combination of 2 keys to go from german layout to english and from english to german (like ALT+SHIFT on desktop comps).
Any ideas?
Is it possible with this app?

MS Transcriber can't be installed on S200 SVE?

Hello everyone!
I'm new to this forum and Qtek/HTC/I-mate but judging by what I've browsed through so far this place kicks ass.
Anyhoo... I just bought a S200 with WM5 in Swedish (the only language available here) and the damn thing lacks the transcriber. I googled a bit and found out the transcriber could be installed separately. Well.. no. Not on my S200. It just says that "transcriber is not a valid pocket-pc application". :roll:
Has anyone with a non-english s200/prophet/JAMin actually managed to install the transcriber? I was really looking forward to using that particular function, it was actually one of the main reasons I bought a non-qwerty-phone.
An option for me would be to flash the whole thing to english (I'm an Aussie so I'd actually prefer it) but is it possible to use swedish characters if the OS is english?
Hello, where can I get the Transcriber to install on my S200?? I'm on a portuguese version and I also don't have the transcriber installed
Hello...
go to http://www.smartmobile.se/ and choose S200, then u can download the file from there.. it´s working... cheers!
DBZero said:
Hello everyone!
I'm new to this forum and Qtek/HTC/I-mate but judging by what I've browsed through so far this place kicks ass.
Anyhoo... I just bought a S200 with WM5 in Swedish (the only language available here) and the damn thing lacks the transcriber. I googled a bit and found out the transcriber could be installed separately. Well.. no. Not on my S200. It just says that "transcriber is not a valid pocket-pc application". :roll:
Has anyone with a non-english s200/prophet/JAMin actually managed to install the transcriber? I was really looking forward to using that particular function, it was actually one of the main reasons I bought a non-qwerty-phone.
An option for me would be to flash the whole thing to english (I'm an Aussie so I'd actually prefer it) but is it possible to use swedish characters if the OS is english?
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dragon666 said:
Hello...
go to http://www.smartmobile.se/ and choose S200, then u can download the file from there.. it´s working... cheers!
DBZero said:
Hello everyone!
I'm new to this forum and Qtek/HTC/I-mate but judging by what I've browsed through so far this place kicks ass.
Anyhoo... I just bought a S200 with WM5 in Swedish (the only language available here) and the damn thing lacks the transcriber. I googled a bit and found out the transcriber could be installed separately. Well.. no. Not on my S200. It just says that "transcriber is not a valid pocket-pc application". :roll:
Has anyone with a non-english s200/prophet/JAMin actually managed to install the transcriber? I was really looking forward to using that particular function, it was actually one of the main reasons I bought a non-qwerty-phone.
An option for me would be to flash the whole thing to english (I'm an Aussie so I'd actually prefer it) but is it possible to use swedish characters if the OS is english?
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Is it possible for anyone to post the file here, or anyother place, as I don't have an swedish Imei...
onesolo said:
dragon666 said:
Hello...
go to http://www.smartmobile.se/ and choose S200, then u can download the file from there.. it´s working... cheers!
DBZero said:
Hello everyone!
I'm new to this forum and Qtek/HTC/I-mate but judging by what I've browsed through so far this place kicks ass.
Anyhoo... I just bought a S200 with WM5 in Swedish (the only language available here) and the damn thing lacks the transcriber. I googled a bit and found out the transcriber could be installed separately. Well.. no. Not on my S200. It just says that "transcriber is not a valid pocket-pc application". :roll:
Has anyone with a non-english s200/prophet/JAMin actually managed to install the transcriber? I was really looking forward to using that particular function, it was actually one of the main reasons I bought a non-qwerty-phone.
An option for me would be to flash the whole thing to english (I'm an Aussie so I'd actually prefer it) but is it possible to use swedish characters if the OS is english?
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Is it possible for anyone to post the file here, or anyother place, as I don't have an swedish Imei...
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Hey, they have an A2DP patch there!!! Can someone with Swedish IMEI pull it out for us all as well? http://www.smartmobile.se/item.aspx?id=743

Dutch ROM 614c

Anyone who can dump a Dutch Ipaq 614c ROM?
It would be much appreciated
If you're still looking for one, maybe I can be of some help...
charlieMOGUL
Yes, I'm still looking for a Dutch ROM or a dump of a Dutch ROM.
i am also looking for a dutch rom. if i can help with something or need to do anything just let me know, i need this ROM very bad.
sincerley locoo
Maybe this can be usefull
It is a Dutch ROM
*I will post a working image soon.
For anyone who is interested in cooking a Dutch ROM, here are the OEM en SYS files, extracted from the ROM.
http://uploading.com/files/6a1634d9/OEM_%26amp%3B_SYS_Dutch_Ipaq_614c.rar/
Also for creating a Dutch xt9 cab file, these files are usefull. Creating the cab file myself wasn't successfull. This is a package ready to be cooked for Dutch xt9 files.
http://rapidshare.com/files/278550136/Dutch_xt9_for_IPAQ_614C.zip
Darqw said:
Maybe this can be usefull
It is a Dutch ROM
http://rapidshare.com/files/278140280/Dutch_IPAQ_614C_ROM.rar.html
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First of all i want to thank you very much for this rom, however
i downloaded this, and flashed it on my device, flashing went perfectly but as soon as the windows mobile screen pops up along with that ''trendy'' beep sound, it gets stuck on it.
i left it a couple a minutes, i stays on the screen showing the ''please wait''
spinning logo of WM 6.
i also tried to reflash it, also re downloaded it in case something went wrong downloading.
anyone else facing this problem to?
and 1 other question,
i made a dump of a hp 614 i have, wich is Dutch, now i got the following files :
- diskimage_Ver.nbo
- part2.nb0.payload
- part2.nb0.payload.part1
- part02.raw
when i whas searching forums i found out that i have to change the
diskimage_Ver.nb0 to FLASH.DIO
i tried this and the device got stuck at the ''clean boot'' part.
obviousley i don't know alot and i'm sorry to ask anyone's help.
but what do i have to do with those other files? how do i make those files to a complete working ROM?
any help appreciated,
thanks to all people that helped me comming this far
I see the problem... I didn't have time to test it thoroughly.
Here is the link for a new (and hopefully a good working) ROM image.
http://rapidshare.com/files/278647058/original_dutch_1.00.rar
The problem is that I myself am still trying to learn to cook, so don't expect any miracles... That's why the first one didn't function properly. But normally this ROM schould function, as it is an copy of a Dutch Ipaq 614c.
If anyone is interested in cooking an up-to-date Dutch ROM, all the necessary tools and dumps are (normally) available. I already posted the OEM and SYS folders separately or they can be extracted from this ROM image.
At the moment I am not able to create a good working up-to-date Dutch ROM image, hopefully somebody is able to create one with the help of this ROM image.
Darqw said:
I see the problem... I didn't have time to test it thoroughly.
Here is the link for a new (and hopefully a good working) ROM image.
http://rapidshare.com/files/278647058/original_dutch_1.00.rar
The problem is that I myself am still trying to learn to cook, so don't expect any miracles... That's why the first one didn't function properly. But normally this ROM schould function, as it is an copy of a Dutch Ipaq 614c.
If anyone is interested in cooking an up-to-date Dutch ROM, all the necessary tools and dumps are (normally) available. I already posted the OEM and SYS folders separately or they can be extracted from this ROM image.
At the moment I am not able to create a good working up-to-date Dutch ROM image, hopefully somebody is able to create one with the help of this ROM image.
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thanks for the updated ROM link, i'll post a review of the ROM ASAP.
this will be tomorrow,
ontzettend bedankt!
could you please explain me what to do with the 4 files, how they needed to be set-up for a working ROM, im also trying to get the hang of cooking a ROM.
ill be glad to hear from you once again.
yours sincerley,
alex

Korean Rom with 576MB ram for Hd2??

Hi, does anyone know if there is a korean rom available for Hd2? I use korean files a lot on my phone and boxes are of no use. If its out there im sorry but ive bin looking and cant find it at all
Thanks
R3AP3R753 said:
Hi, does anyone know if there is a korean rom available for Hd2? I use korean files a lot on my phone and boxes are of no use. If its out there im sorry but ive bin looking and cant find it at all
Thanks
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You are looking for a Korean ROM or just need to view Hangeul, in which case you just need Korean font on your device.
Rom not font
looking for ROM not hangul font. Preferably with 576MB ram 'upgrade'. am hoping one exists.
If I...
Yeah.. me is looking for this too... I heard that you can install CHS+CHT Rom then you can install language pack (or something similar) to read and write in Korean...
I would live to give it a go, but only if i had spare HD2 to test it on...
lol
But I will let you know if i manage to do it...
I've Done It!!
R3AP3R753 said:
Hi, does anyone know if there is a korean rom available for Hd2? I use korean files a lot on my phone and boxes are of no use. If its out there im sorry but ive bin looking and cant find it at all
Thanks
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Hey, I've done it, and working fine.. Bit of issue with Keyboard.. but it works. Downloaded ROM from here at xda-developers, and little help from one of the Korean Sites..
Confirmed working..
poits45 said:
Hey, I've done it, and working fine.. Bit of issue with Keyboard.. but it works. Downloaded ROM from here at xda-developers, and little help from one of the Korean Sites..
Confirmed working..
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That is GREAT.
Now, can you share with rest of us how you did it and how is working? I (and some of us) would be very appreciate it.
poits45 said:
Yeah.. me is looking for this too... I heard that you can install CHS+CHT Rom then you can install language pack (or something similar) to read and write in Korean...
I would live to give it a go, but only if i had spare HD2 to test it on...
lol
But I will let you know if i manage to do it...
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He has clarified that he is looking for a Korean ROM whilst based on your post, you are looking for the ability to just read and write Korean. If it is the latter, that can be done using the correct font and input (SIP)
However, you will not be able to view Chinese font. I am not sure if there is a way to allow the user to see both Chinese and Korean fonts at the same time
burger said:
He has clarified that he is looking for a Korean ROM whilst based on your post, you are looking for the ability to just read and write Korean. If it is the latter, that can be done using the correct font and input (SIP)
However, you will not be able to view Chinese font. I am not sure if there is a way to allow the user to see both Chinese and Korean fonts at the same time
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Hey mate, would the fonts and SIP's be available for download from the Microsoft website? And/or from someplace else?
Cheers.
I've ran into these and installed to my Touch pro 2. (it says it's from HTC HD2) http://www.mymits.net/zboard/zboard.php?id=pds&page=2&no=5757
Thanks to James Kim, it work fine as far as texting and e-mailing in Korean. (I've installed it last night and so far so good)
It comes with "Moa keys" and I was able to get some info from youtube. (I'm learning)
I've got T-Mobile and it's working fine, but when I try to send to my friend with AT&T, it gives me message and tells me try to send it without the symbols.
I guess it doesn't work if you have AT&T.
DotheTP2 said:
I've ran into these and installed to my Touch pro 2. (it says it's from HTC HD2) http://www.mymits.net/zboard/zboard.php?id=pds&page=2&no=5757
Thanks to James Kim, it work fine as far as texting and e-mailing in Korean. (I've installed it last night and so far so good)
It comes with "Moa keys" and I was able to get some info from youtube. (I'm learning)
I've got T-Mobile and it's working fine, but when I try to send to my friend with AT&T, it gives me message and tells me try to send it without the symbols.
I guess it doesn't work if you have AT&T.
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yea I am also using MoaKey2 which I think is from Samsung and is relatively easy to use.
the site you linked requires registration =)
@nayajoeun, can't remember where I got the fonts
edit: added cab file for font
its not easy to install font on wm6.5... i've tried so many fonts... all failed on me
Here is how i did it..
OK.. Here is how I did it.. hopefully this will help you ppl.
I'm currently using Telstra (Australia : 850Mhz / 2100Mhz) version of HTC HD2 (Leo).
I've forgot what Radio Version it was.. but yeah...
* Install HSPL
* Do a search for Merlion Leo Rom V2.5 on this forum
a) Once installed and configured,
* Do a search for Lost In Asia V1.2.23544 WWE with CHS on this forum
a) Once installed and configured, open up a browser then goto google.co.kr then in the search box, type in or copy and paste this "htc hd2 한글쓰기". It's the thrid one down on the search result... one that starts with "mymits"
b) download the files from the website and follow the instruction.
Instead of using Fingerkey, I found Moakey is alot better.
Hope this helps... Reason why I've used 2 custom roms.. ROM installed ok, but got stuck on HTC Screen (May be because I didn't read the information fully... advised to install RADIO Ver of 2.08 before installing the ROM)... So, I had to install Merlion Leo Rom V2.5 then Lost In Asia V1.2.23544 WWE with CHS.
Anyways...
Screenshots attached..
And I'm not responsible if this don't work and brick your phone... like all the cooked roms.
Cheers..
Bravo! Well done.
I would like to try on my HTC Touch Pro 2. Any advise?
Can't see why not
DotheTP2 said:
Bravo! Well done.
I would like to try on my HTC Touch Pro 2. Any advise?
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Can't see why not you can install the files on that website i mentioned, but not sure about the Custom Roms..
Cheers
poits45 said:
OK.. Here is how I did it.. hopefully this will help you ppl.
I'm currently using Telstra (Australia : 850Mhz / 2100Mhz) version of HTC HD2 (Leo).
I've forgot what Radio Version it was.. but yeah...
* Install HSPL
* Do a search for Merlion Leo Rom V2.5 on this forum
a) Once installed and configured,
* Do a search for Lost In Asia V1.2.23544 WWE with CHS on this forum
a) Once installed and configured, open up a browser then goto google.co.kr then in the search box, type in or copy and paste this "htc hd2 한글쓰기". It's the thrid one down on the search result... one that starts with "mymits"
b) download the files from the website and follow the instruction.
Instead of using Fingerkey, I found Moakey is alot better.
Hope this helps... Reason why I've used 2 custom roms.. ROM installed ok, but got stuck on HTC Screen (May be because I didn't read the information fully... advised to install RADIO Ver of 2.08 before installing the ROM)... So, I had to install Merlion Leo Rom V2.5 then Lost In Asia V1.2.23544 WWE with CHS.
Anyways...
Screenshots attached..
And I'm not responsible if this don't work and brick your phone... like all the cooked roms.
Cheers..
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LIA ROM does not include radio whilst Merlion ROM does. You should be able to skip Merlion ROM for this exercise by just flashing the correct radio before using LIA.
Thanks for the updated MoaKey. Will give it a go later.
I made a mess trying to upload screenshots.
Skip this post, Sorry.
It's working! but it's 99.9%
I installed steps 1-6 on my HTC Touch Pro 2 and it is working, but whenever I pushed start button at bottom right it freezes my phone.
Until I installed MyMITs_Korea+Moakey2WVGA100310.cab then everything works smooth.
As you can see, some of menu has not changed yet. 99.9% I'll say.
My rom is |R|6.5.5|ROM|WWE| ★ Energy "Leo" 23544 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=562773
and it seems to be okay now.
I can't wait til the t-mobile hd2 comes out. (I'll have to butter up my sweetheart to get one probably )
Thank You!
Thank you so much for providing this for us. I just ordered an HD2 today, and I worried whether or not I'd have access to a Korean IME. 한어 문짜를 못 보내면 속상하고 한굴 컴색을 못하면 죽을 것 같아서 정말 고마워요!
keyboard only
your keyboad and fonts cab , is it possible to get the keyboard only, or if you could show the way i would be deeply endebted to yo sir/madam.

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