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Nexus 7 tech specs query from buyer

Hi there!
I am in the hunt for a 7"-8" Android 4/4.1 tablet. Currently my choices are the new Acer Iconia A110 (because of a microSD card slot), the Motorola Xoom 2 Media Edition (because of the bigger screen, excellent build and virtual surround sound), the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 (again with a slightly bigger screen, a microSD card slot and an excellent AMOLED screen) and the top dog Google Nexus 7. But i am more interested with the Nexus 7 in terms of "Is it worth the investment" even on a small screen?. I will be using the thing mainly for checking email/news/weather, the usual Youtube, WIkipedia, Twitter, watching movies and also gaming. So, i'd like to ask:
1, Is the actual GPU dual or single channel? And what's the frequency? Does it matter?
2. Is the 1.3Ghz the base CPU speed? Or is it underclocked like what Apple is doing with its tabs?
3. Aside from connecting a mice or keyboard what other stuff can the Bluetooth 3.0 standard do?
4. Is it capable of wireless file transfer to & from a Macbook?
5. I'm aware that it doesn't have Flash but can i still install them via the Google Play?
6. Are they stereo speakers? Capable of surround sound? (some sound issues in some models i heard)
Please advice. Thanks.

gino_76ph said:
Hi there!
I am in the hunt for a 7"-8" Android 4/4.1 tablet. Currently my choices are the new Acer Iconia A110 (because of a microSD card slot), the Motorola Xoom 2 Media Edition (because of the bigger screen, excellent build and virtual surround sound), the Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 (again with a slightly bigger screen, a microSD card slot and an excellent AMOLED screen) and the top dog Google Nexus 7. But i am more interested with the Nexus 7 in terms of "Is it worth the investment" even on a small screen?. I will be using the thing mainly for checking email/news/weather, the usual Youtube, WIkipedia, Twitter, watching movies and also gaming. So, i'd like to ask:
1, Is the actual GPU dual or single channel? And what's the frequency? Does it matter?
2. Is the 1.3Ghz the base CPU speed? Or is it underclocked like what Apple is doing with its tabs?
3. Aside from connecting a mice or keyboard what other stuff can the Bluetooth 3.0 standard do?
4. Is it capable of wireless file transfer to & from a Macbook?
5. I'm aware that it doesn't have Flash but can i still install them via the Google Play?
6. Are they stereo speakers? Capable of surround sound? (some sound issues in some models i heard)
Please advice. Thanks.
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1. Its either dual or quad I think clocked at 450 or something(can be over clocked)
2. Underclocked I think(prime has same CPU but at 1.5)
3. Don't know
4. There's a few apps that do this
5. No you have to sideload
6. Stereo and don't know about surround sound
Sent from my Jelly Nexus S

Would it matter if a tablet has dual or single channel GPU? Does it matter if the wifi is dual or single band? WIll it actually help make the graphics "better" and surfing the net faster?
Would you trust Acer when it comes to build quality of its tablets compared to say samsung or Motorola?

1. Not sure(I think I heard about it being overclocked somewhere)
2. Default is 1.2ghz, can be overclocked up to 1.5ghz.
3. For example: File transfer. If you root you can also use it as a PlayStation controller with BluePutDroid.
4. There are a number of ways to do this, I would recommend AirDroid.
5. To get flash(no root required):
A. Go to settings->security and enable unknown sources.
B. Download and install the flash apk on your device from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1763805
C. Get a browser that supports flash like boat browser(from play store).
6. Stereo, probably not surround sound.
(Second post)
Not sure what dual channel GPU means to tell you the truth.
I believe the nexus 7 has dual channel WiFi, using speed test app the speed reaches or goes above my maximum speed from the other end of the house.

gino_76ph said:
1, Is the actual GPU dual or single channel? And what's the frequency? Does it matter?
2. Is the 1.3Ghz the base CPU speed? Or is it underclocked like what Apple is doing with its tabs?
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There is no such thing as a single or dual channel GPU. Channels refers to the RAM. It is a 12 core GPU.
1.3ghz is the maximum clock speed of the specific CPU used, the T30L. It is not underclocked.

this is the truth after reading some ****.no single or dual gpu.12 core has.channel intended only for the ram.this is the minor tegra3 out there,less freq. clock but high clocked ram and not the same as t30 packed.begginnning with the fact the clock cpu freq. is overcloccable without problems,the ram packed on n7 is IMHO better than ad example tf201 or htconex one's

Are you guys certain there is no such thing as single or dual channel CPU?
And If the GPU clocked speed is 1.3Ghz would it mean that there is 1.3Ghz on each of the 12 cores?

gino_76ph said:
Are you guys certain there is no such thing as single or dual channel CPU?
And If the GPU clocked speed is 1.3Ghz would it mean that there is 1.3Ghz on each of the 12 cores?
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no you are wrong man.the CPU(4cores) is clocked at 1.3 ghz (4 cores running) and 1.5 (or 1.4 i don't remeber)in single mode (1 core running)
the GPU (12cores)is clocked at 416 mhz by default
apart them,if you flash a custom kernel,this Soc can reach (depending on tab,they aren't exactly the same chips)1.8\2.0 ghz for the CPU,and 484\520\600\650\700\750 with the GPU (here depending on tab as well)

I see. So, it is fast?
As a side question would it be practical to buy a new or latest tablet like the Nexus 7 than an older (and equally good in its own) say Galaxy Tab 7.7 or the Xoom 2 Media Edition? What i'm trying to ask here is the "problem" of compatibility with apps and games if a tab has an older GPU in them.
Would that be an issue or not?

yes,sure it's fast!a little bit faster than others with same chip.i do you an example regards the last question.
there are peoples with old gpus,that continue playing hd games with these old gpu without problems (not all games working,but many of them!).an example is the galaxy nexus that i own,it 's packed with a good cpu and a old gpu,that we found also on galaxy s,nexus s ecc,but honestly i never found a game that doesn't work for the odl gpu.i have also tegra2 devices,no prob with games,surely a tegra3 is more powerfull and you can play games with full effect enabled without problems.all apps works,not depending to gpu,but only the version of OS at least.

The Tegra 3 SoC only has a single channel memory. Specs are 1GB RAM of DDR3L -1333 MHz (Low Voltage) giving a total memory bandwidth of 5.3 GB/s, is this super fast, no, but it is more than than sufficient for the Nexus 7 display resolution.
To the OP, don't get stressed about specs, especially if you're 100% sure what they actually mean. The important part is user experience of the Nexus 7, due in part to Android Jelly Bean, it is smooth and enjoyable, it can play all the latest games well, I also run Playstation & N64 emulators on it without issue.
Finally, The Nexus 7 is fully unlockable, so it has great developer support on XDA and other forums, which is 50% of the device's appeal in my eyes. If you can wait a few weeks, the rumour is a 32 GB model will replace the current 16 GB version.

If you can manage to find a Nexus 7 used on Craigs or Ebay, I would do it. I got my perfect condition barely used 16gb for $160 from a buyer's remorse user on Craigslist. For this price I find the tablet to be very good. I would have a harder time paying the $250 plus tax in store for the same unit. Not that it's not worth the $250 but already owning a Galaxy S3 phone, it's too much of the same at the end of the day, much like I experienced when I had a iPhone and iPad together.
The Nexus7 for me is a great grab and go device for quick browsing, game playing, weather checking, etc.
If you've got to have the latest and fastest specs, the Tegra3 is getting dated already and you'd want to find something with a Qualcomm S4 chip (even this isn't really faster than Tegra3). Supposedly the OMAP 4470 in the bigger Fire HD and the Nook HD+ might be a little faster for more money.

i doubt 4470 it's faster than tegra3 (all 3 variant)..it's basically a 4460 with a bit more clock freq.,same 45nm tecnology and with a faster gpu (with dedicated 2d hw chipset).they claim it's up to 2 times more faster than sgx540.if it's true,i think that tegra3 is better (not for the quad).Anyway i have to agree with all the things sad in previous posts.OP don't care about spec,a nexus device is fast for many others things that i don't write,already sad,and also if tegra3 it's becoming an "old" chipset compared to new out this days,it performs very well with an optimized OS.wait for the 32gb version and never ever think only about cpu\gpu specs :good:

sert00 said:
i doubt 4470 it's faster than tegra3 (all 3 variant)..it's basically a 4460 with a bit more clock freq.,same 45nm tecnology and with a faster gpu (with dedicated 2d hw chipset).they claim it's up to 2 times more faster than sgx540.if it's true,i think that tegra3 is better (not for the quad).Anyway i have to agree with all the things sad in previous posts.OP don't care about spec,a nexus device is fast for many others things that i don't write,already sad,and also if tegra3 it's becoming an "old" chipset compared to new out this days,it performs very well with an optimized OS.wait for the 32gb version and never ever think only about cpu\gpu specs :good:
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A full fat OMAP 4470 is faster than the Tegra 3. I read a review of the Archos 101 XS which runs an OMAP 4470 @ 1.5 GHz (GPU 384 MHz)
In the ultra demanding GL Benchmark 2.5 - Egypt HD (Offscreen 1080p)
Nexus 7 = 8.9 FPS
Archos = 11 FPS
Transformer Infinity = 11 FPS
There is scope for the 4470 to run at 1.8 GHz, but that is probably only for larger devices like Windows RT tablet, Amazon apparently have clocked it at 1.5 GHz. Overall in a tough benchmark the N7 is slower, however the Transformer Infinity is the same speed, which is basically as fast as an easily overclocked Nexus. As the OMAP is a dual-core, in theory a game developed specially for our Nexus (Tegra Zone?) could be faster or more feature packed in terms of physics etc, if it use all 4 cores.

Turbotab said:
A full fat OMAP 4470 is faster than the Tegra 3. I read a review of the Archos 101 XS which runs an OMAP 4470 @ 1.5 GHz (GPU 384 MHz)
In the ultra demanding GL Benchmark 2.5 - Egypt HD (Offscreen 1080p)
Nexus 7 = 8.9 FPS
Archos = 11 FPS
Transformer Infinity = 11 FPS
There is scope for the 4470 to run at 1.8 GHz, but that is probably only for larger devices like Windows RT tablet, Amazon apparently have clocked it at 1.5 GHz. Overall in a tough benchmark the N7 is slower, however the Transformer Infinity is the same speed, which is basically as fast as an easily overclocked Nexus. As the OMAP is a dual-core, in theory a game developed specially for our Nexus (Tegra Zone?) could be faster or more feature packed in terms of physics etc, if it use all 4 cores.
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months ago the 4470 was supposed to run at 1.7 ghz.i remember when i bought the gnex in november 2011 that 4430 is at 1.2\4460 at 1.5\4470 at 1.7.theese number was in the official omap site and guide line referments.only after being out the fact of the 4460 bug (major part of them,wasn't capable of 1.5 ghz,and this Soc it isn't a downclocked one,from 1.5 to 1.2 by google.it's a 1.2 cpu.)they change also in the site some numbers.now the 4460 is at 1.2 and the 4470 there's write 1.3+,in this case of the archos 1.5.what a strange thing from omap!i saw same anandtech reviwe like you sad times ago,but honestly i think that in the total of bench that regularly they do,there are some in favor of 4470,and some in favor of tegra3,at least depending also if referred to cpu or gpu.with 4460 they did a good job,i really like it,but after have a look at 4460\70 documentation,seems that in term of cpu,there aren't so much differences.if i clock my 4460 at 1.5\16,do a bench and compare with a same bench do with a 4470,i think that the most differences are gpu related..and when i compare my bench with n7 and gnex,in term of cpu and both ultra-tweaked i see a big gap in scores...it's for that i continue to think in the total user exp and bench scores as well tegra3 remain more powerfull.but certainly the differences aren't visible by end user..but with bench at least and in th end what really count it's how's the user experience,not bench

sert00 said:
months ago the 4470 was supposed to run at 1.7 ghz.i remember when i bought the gnex in november 2011 that 4430 is at 1.2\4460 at 1.5\4470 at 1.7.theese number was in the official omap site and guide line referments.only after being out the fact of the 4460 bug (major part of them,wasn't capable of 1.5 ghz,and this Soc it isn't a downclocked one,from 1.5 to 1.2 by google.it's a 1.2 cpu.)they change also in the site some numbers.now the 4460 is at 1.2 and the 4470 there's write 1.3+,in this case of the archos 1.5.what a strange thing from omap!i saw same anandtech reviwe like you sad times ago,but honestly i think that in the total of bench that regularly they do,there are some in favor of 4470,and some in favor of tegra3,at least depending also if referred to cpu or gpu.with 4460 they did a good job,i really like it,but after have a look at 4460\70 documentation,seems that in term of cpu,there aren't so much differences.if i clock my 4460 at 1.5\16,do a bench and compare with a same bench do with a 4470,i think that the most differences are gpu related..and when i compare my bench with n7 and gnex,in term of cpu and both ultra-tweaked i see a big gap in scores...it's for that i continue to think in the total user exp and bench scores as well tegra3 remain more powerfull.but certainly the differences aren't visible by end user..but with bench at least and in th end what really count it's how's the user experience,not bench
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An area the 4470 does hold a significant advantage over Tegra 3 is memory bandwidth, as it utilises dual-channel memory, hopefully Tegra 4 will sort out that deficiency. Ultimately the OMAP's GPU is not powerful enough to be bandwidth limited anyway, overall I like the Tegra 3 from a UX perspective, looking forward to a Tegra 4 in the next Nexus 7 v2:good:

Using a nexus 7 now. Very happy with the money I paid for it. In terms of spec? This beast will last you for awhile. Even if they are pushing specs already to the next level, it'll be a long time until a quad core 1 gb ram machine will be considered slow.
Simply put, at this price and quality, anyone can buy it and everyone should.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Turbotab said:
Finally, The Nexus 7 is fully unlockable, so it has great developer support on XDA and other forums, which is 50% of the device's appeal in my eyes. If you can wait a few weeks, the rumour is a 32 GB model will replace the current 16 GB version.
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The 32 gig will be replacing the 8 gig model. Two versions will be available by Christmas: a 16 gig model and a 32 gig model. The 16 will be priced at (or below) $200.00. The 32 will be at (or below) $250.00.
Posted via my Amiga 3000, EVO 3D , or Nexus 7

phillip1953 said:
The 32 gig will be replacing the 8 gig model. Two versions will be available by Christmas: a 16 gig model and a 32 gig model. The 16 will be priced at (or below) $200.00. The 32 will be at (or below) $250.00.
Posted via my Amiga 3000, EVO 3D , or Nexus 7
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You have a link confirming that, or is that inside knowledge

It's the logic step for Google. The 32 gig is already being sold and nobody really wants the 8 gig model. To compete with the "other" tablets and to make up for the lack of an SD card slot, it only makes sense.
IOW.....my speculation from 40 years of computer use....starting with the Heathkit H8.
Posted via my Amiga 3000, EVO 3D , or Nexus 7

[Q] Best Android Stick out there

I would like to buy the best Android TV Stick that is on the market..
I've searched the web and all the specs just looks the same.
Could you please mention the name of the best Android TV stick out there?

SaharLevi said:
I would like to buy the best Android TV Stick that is on the market..
I've searched the web and all the specs just looks the same.
Could you please mention the name of the best Android TV stick out there?
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Four threads down: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2089407

scmobileman said:
Four threads down: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2089407
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Thanks for replying.
I've seen the post everyone speaks about their own devices so I can't properly decide
And by any chance you've got an comparison chart for AnTuTu test or other benchmark apps?

SaharLevi said:
Thanks for replying.
I've seen the post everyone speaks about their own devices so I can't properly decide
And by any chance you've got an comparison chart for AnTuTu test or other benchmark apps?
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Looks like that thread is about as good as you will get at this point. Like you I'm trying to find out as well and so far not having a lot of luck. I'm actually waiting for FedEx to deliver my mk808B. I will be glad to give you a report on that after spending some time with it this afternoon.

scmobileman said:
Looks like that thread is about as good as you will get at this point. Like you I'm trying to find out as well and so far not having a lot of luck. I'm actually waiting for FedEx to deliver my mk808B. I will be glad to give you a report on that after spending some time with it this afternoon.
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Thanks for replying.
I've searched the web and I got to this one guy's channel on YouTube, he's reviewing Android PC and stuff
well just listen to this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0hyY6_9SPTo#t=287s
He's saying that MX1 is faster than the MK808 (and I read that MX2 is even better than MX1 because of the plastic shell)

MK808B Benchmarks
I've been benchmarking my MK808B using 4.1.1 ROMS. I just started testing 4.2.2 ROMS and things don't look as good. Stick with 4.1.1 until issues with 4.2.2 are resolved.
Benchmarks for MK808B
tabletuser.blogspot.com LINK
Please post any benchmark results of other TV Sticks so we have an idea a baseline for comparison. For $50 I think the MK808B makes the best device.

cesar33 said:
I've been benchmarking my MK808B using 4.1.1 ROMS. I just started testing 4.2.2 ROMS and things don't look as good. Stick with 4.1.1 until issues with 4.2.2 are resolved.
Benchmarks for MK808B
tabletuser.blogspot.com LINK
Please post any benchmark results of other TV Sticks so we have an idea a baseline for comparison. For $50 I think the MK808B makes the best device.
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Great! thanks for the info.:good:

MK908
Most of the dongles only have 1gb ram on it but the MK908 has 2gb ram so is much faster.
Android Mini PC (MK908)
Quad-Core A9 Processor
Running Android OS 4.2.2
Product Features
Google Android OS 4.2
Dual Heatsink
Dual Wifi Antenna
Cortex A9 Rk3188 Quad Core CPU
Quad Core Mali 400 GPU
2GB DDR3 RAM
8GB NAND FLASH ROM
Bluetooth v4.0
Wifi support 802.11 b/g/n
Technical Details
Brand Name: Mini PC
Model: MK809
Specifications
Model No: MK908
Operation System Google Android 4.2
CPU 28nm RK3188 Quad Core, ARM Cortex-A9, 1.6ghz, Max 1.8Ghz
RAM DDR3 2GB
Internal Memory Nand Flash 8GB
Memory External Support External Storage via TF card, Support up to 32GB
Networking Support 802.11 b/g/n
Graphics Type Integrated Graphics Mali400, Supports 1080P video (1920*1080)
Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.0
Input/Output Connectors
Support WIFI 802.1b/g/n.
Ports
1 X USB 2.0 Host for external drive/component
1 X OTG Mini USB port for wireless keyboard mouse device
1 X Mini USB for power
PS. There are other 2gb out there so have a look around before you buy.

xwestor signalman
i think you should go for k-r42 tv box.
its not a stick but the price is 83$
so its similar to sticks but you get beter device with spdif 2 full usb audio jack etc.

Best android stick out at the moment? (UK)

Hey guys,
I've done search and come across a few things:
* MK809II
* MK802IIIS
* ODroid U2
My question is - which is the "recommended" or "best" stick - I plan to play 1080p movies and probably the use of the Android Playstore for games etc.
Thanks,
Matt

Would love to know as well, any experts ?

Really depends on ROM support. Seems most get the mk808 models. I have one and the 809 and 809ii. All work the same. Slight performance gain on 808. 1080 works on all but not very good for me. Gets choppy.
I am waiting for quadcores to hit the market before i get into them more. They should work alot better then!

Isn't this strange, aren't 809 and 809ii supposed to work better ?

smokestack76 said:
Really depends on ROM support. Seems most get the mk808 models. I have one and the 809 and 809ii. All work the same. Slight performance gain on 808. 1080 works on all but not very good for me. Gets choppy.
I am waiting for quadcores to hit the market before i get into them more. They should work alot better then!
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I have the MK809ii and I purchased it because it has 8gb memory, dual core, and bluetooth. From what I remember the 808 had less memory and no bluetooth. I think the 808b has bluetooth but If I remember correctly that one also had 4 gb memory.
Hope that helps:good:

MK808B BEST STICK at the moment
pewterwest said:
I have the MK809ii and I purchased it because it has 8gb memory, dual core, and bluetooth. From what I remember the 808 had less memory and no bluetooth. I think the 808b has bluetooth but If I remember correctly that one also had 4 gb memory.
Hope that helps:good:
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Here are my reasons why you should buy the MK808B NOW!
1. Price less than $50 at geekbuying.com (they sell real ones, not fake and they get factory firmwares by request)
2. Dual core, 1608mhz each (set governor to performance to max results)
3. Bluetooth (keyboards, mouse, headset, headphones, Wii controllers, file transfers)
4. Great wifi, on par with my Motorola Bionic use Wifi Analyzer to test yours, will even tell you what router channel is the best. No signal drops.
5. 8GB ROM and it is fast, 1GB Fast DDR2 RAM, microSD slot. I have 4 port hub and 3 USB drives and USB Webcam connected, all working.
6. LOTS of support. Finless Bob and Lewy20041 have both released custom ROMS and factory even sent out 4.2
7. No heating issues, never locks up, no reboots required, fast and stable.
8. XMBC support and MXPlayer has full hardware acceleration.
I have plenty of supporting benchmarks and comparisons on my blog
tabletuser.blogspot.com LINK
Once the quadcores get down near the $60 range I'll be moving towards one of those, best to watch which quadcore gets most development attentions. ROM developers help make the stick faster and better. I'm sure once the MK808B has an overclocking kernel I'll be able to get close to the freescale quadcore in benchmarks. 1080 over wifi not possible, not sure I've seen anyone posting success with wifi 1080.

I have an 802IIIs plugged into a 1080p 60 Hz TV. It works well, it was exactly as I had expected.
I use it only really to watch Youtube, Netflix, and other TV/videos online. It does an excellent job doing that. Pair it up with a wireless mouse or Droidmote and you got a pretty good set up. If you're using Droidmote via your phone or tablet, you can even enter text in the 802 via your phone or tablet's microphone.
Angry Birds runs smoothly on it too. GTA III and Vice City (you have to sideload Vice City) all work very well. I've never played them on PS2 so I can't compare the graphics, but action and frame rate are actually very smooth, no lag at all. You can hook up a PS3 controller to your tablet/phone running Droidmote and play with a physical controller.

Is it possible to stream a video online in the browser with this sticks?
Would blow this rat's nest of cords in my room away
I just want to stream videos, which one should I buy?
I think the MK802s are too expensive for me, if I just want to stream.
Thanks!

Cheap Streaming
P4N1C said:
Is it possible to stream a video online in the browser with this sticks?
Would blow this rat's nest of cords in my room away
I just want to stream videos, which one should I buy?
I think the MK802s are too expensive for me, if I just want to stream.
Thanks!
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YES
My first Android Stick was the Uhost U1A and it is down to $30 on Geekbuying.com. It has a single core cpu and is more than capable of streaming online content. Most single core devices score about the same and Uhost U1A has the best firmwares. I ran a bunch of benchmarks and you can use that to compare to most dual core systems or your android phone/tablet.
http://tabletuser.blogspot.com/2012/12/uhost-u1a-benchmark-screen-shots.html
LINK
Since price of the MK802s start around $40 for the single core, I'm guessing that $30 would be your price range? The UI (user interface) isn't very smooth at all. I constantly have the operating system asking if it should end a process because it was running too slow. I didn't have many issues gaming, but I didn't play too many games on it. I can watch Youtube without any hiccups, it uses almost no cpu power to play NO HD content. MX Player offers hardware acceleration so 720p videos are possible.
What online streaming are you looking to use? XMBC has plenty of channels. If you have to patients, go for the Uhost U1A, but don't expect any more firmwares or custom ROMs. If you can get into the $50 range, take a look at the MK808B, it is full of options, thanks to bluetooth, has almost triple to power/speed as Uhost U1A, and is getting plenty of factory and custom firmware support thanks to geekbuying.
I have more benchmarks, and reviews on the MK808B. This is one of the best Android Sticks for under $50.
http://tabletuser.blogspot.com LINK

cesar33 said:
YES
My first Android Stick was the Uhost U1A and it is down to $30 on Geekbuying.com. It has a single core cpu and is more than capable of streaming online content. Most single core devices score about the same and Uhost U1A has the best firmwares. I ran a bunch of benchmarks and you can use that to compare to most dual core systems or your android phone/tablet.
http://tabletuser.blogspot.com/2012/12/uhost-u1a-benchmark-screen-shots.html
LINK
Since price of the MK802s start around $40 for the single core, I'm guessing that $30 would be your price range? The UI (user interface) isn't very smooth at all. I constantly have the operating system asking if it should end a process because it was running too slow. I didn't have many issues gaming, but I didn't play too many games on it. I can watch Youtube without any hiccups, it uses almost no cpu power to play NO HD content. MX Player offers hardware acceleration so 720p videos are possible.
What online streaming are you looking to use? XMBC has plenty of channels. If you have to patients, go for the Uhost U1A, but don't expect any more firmwares or custom ROMs. If you can get into the $50 range, take a look at the MK808B, it is full of options, thanks to bluetooth, has almost triple to power/speed as Uhost U1A, and is getting plenty of factory and custom firmware support thanks to geekbuying.
I have more benchmarks, and reviews on the MK808B. This is one of the best Android Sticks for under $50.
http://tabletuser.blogspot.com LINK
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Thanks a lot for given me an overview!
I think I will buy the MK808B on geekbuying.. compared with the prices in Germany for the 808B, it`s anyway really cheap.

cesar33 said:
Here are my reasons why you should buy the MK808B NOW!
1. Price less than $50 at geekbuying.com (they sell real ones, not fake and they get factory firmwares by request)
2. Dual core, 1608mhz each (set governor to performance to max results)
3. Bluetooth (keyboards, mouse, headset, headphones, Wii controllers, file transfers)
4. Great wifi, on par with my Motorola Bionic use Wifi Analyzer to test yours, will even tell you what router channel is the best. No signal drops.
5. 8GB ROM and it is fast, 1GB Fast DDR2 RAM, microSD slot. I have 4 port hub and 3 USB drives and USB Webcam connected, all working.
6. LOTS of support. Finless Bob and Lewy20041 have both released custom ROMS and factory even sent out 4.2
7. No heating issues, never locks up, no reboots required, fast and stable.
8. XMBC support and MXPlayer has full hardware acceleration.
I have plenty of supporting benchmarks and comparisons on my blog
tabletuser.blogspot.com LINK
Once the quadcores get down near the $60 range I'll be moving towards one of those, best to watch which quadcore gets most development attentions. ROM developers help make the stick faster and better. I'm sure once the MK808B has an overclocking kernel I'll be able to get close to the freescale quadcore in benchmarks. 1080 over wifi not possible, not sure I've seen anyone posting success with wifi 1080.
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I bought the MK 808B based on your reveiws, can you tell me which is the best bluetooth remote plus mouse that I should buy ?

cesar33 said:
...1080 over wifi not possible...
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Not even with MiMo 802.11N?

how is the performance for running this for many hours. I mean if you are watching youtube/online streaming for 3-5 hours continuous, does it perform well or any degradation in performance. Any issues of heating up, also how is the wifi radio does the connection stays stable with your wifi router so that online stream plays without any issues.
Also does anyone know if geekbuying.com does shipping to MiddleEast?
thanks

jessesam said:
I bought the MK 808B based on your reveiws, can you tell me which is the best bluetooth remote plus mouse that I should buy ?
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If you've already got another Android device give the free MK802III wifi controller app a try (despite it's name it works fine on MK808b - the server side is pre-installed on the device and is called ehome media)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wxLDMsImNvbS5yb2NrY2hpcC5yZW1vdGVjb250cm9sIl0.
For more bells and whistles you could buy Droidmote - client app is free, server is around $2:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wOSwib3JnLnZpZGVvbWFwLmRyb2lkbW90ZXNlcnZlciJd
Sixaxis works well as a bluetooth game controller when used with a genuine Sony PS3 game pad (does cost to buy but is pretty cheap):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...5ncGl4ZWxzdHVkaW9zLnNpeGF4aXNjb250cm9sbGVyIl0.
I use all of the above as and when it suits, plus my Microsoft wireless keyboard and mouse work brilliantly - just plug the receiver into the full-size usb port on the device and away you go
Finally, install and set the NULL keyboard as default input device in order to stop the on-screen keyboard popping up every time you want to type:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsImNvbS53cGFyYW0ubnVsbGtleWJvYXJkIl0.
If you want to eliminate any streaming issues for 1080 over wifi this usb to ethernet adapter will work with the MK808b straight out of the box:
http://dx.com/p/usb-2-0-10-100mbps-rj45-lan-ethernet-network-adapter-dongle-34691
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how is the performance for running this for many hours. I mean if you are watching youtube/online streaming for 3-5 hours continuous, does it perform well or any degradation in performance. Any issues of heating up, also how is the wifi radio does the connection stays stable with your wifi router so that online stream plays without any issues.
Also does anyone know if geekbuying.com does shipping to MiddleEast?
thanks
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I have used mine for online streaming for 3 - 4 hours at a time (Youtube, BBC iPlayer, various tv episode streaming sites) without any issues affecting performance, no over heating, no signal loss or dropped connections. The only thing that was mildly irritating was that the default web browser (which works surprisingly well with flash) was set to iPad as the default user agent - change it to Desktop and it calls exactly the same version of websites as your PC browser.
I am still using the stock JellyBean 4.2.2 ROM that shipped on the device.

Quad Core android tv stick Tronsmart T428 $99 shipped

I just saw that Geekbuying is selling the Tronsmart T428 quad core tv stick for only $99 w/ free shipping.
This based on the newest quad core chipset by rockchip, the RK3188 with 2GB of Ram. It should be a real winner.
I just ordered one and should have a review up in a week or 2.
Specs:
-Rockchip RK3188 quad core Cortex-A9 up to 1.8GHz(Probably underclocked 1.2-1.6ghz)
-quad core Mali-400 MP4 @ 533MHz
-2GB DDR3 @ 1333MHz
-8GB NAND Flash
-micro SD slot
-Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n/ac
-Bluetooth – BT4.0
-Full size USB port
-micro USB for power
-Male HDMI 1.4 port
-reset button
-5V/2A usb power adapter
Order from here:
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tron...188-2G-DDR3-Wifi-Bluetooth-TV-BOX-314524.html
Info on geekbuying's blog:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...428-quad-core-mini-pc-stock-firmware-release/
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...428the-first-rk3188-quad-core-mini-pc-coming/
PCB pics on geekbuying blog:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...428the-first-rk3188-quad-core-mini-pc-coming/
Other links:
www.cnx-software.com/2013/04/17/tronsmart-t428-android-4-2-2-mini-pc-powered-by-rockchip-rk3188/
www.liliputing.com/2013/04/tronsmart-t428-tv-stick-with-rk3188-android-4-2-now-available.html

I wanna buy it but it takes too long to get here in USA. I don't wanna deal with custom and all the hassles.
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I've been looking forward to this one since the announcement last month.
As usual shipping from china takes some time. However in the USA there isn't much problems with customs.
I've ordered plenty of stuff via Hong Kong of Singapore shipping and at worst have only had to go to the post office to pick it up.
I ordererd with DHL, but I also ordered some other items to make it worth the extra cost.
Plus it costs me $10 to get to the post office and back so express shipping just makes sense to me.
I'm sure these will show up on ebay in about a month for $10-$20 more with a usa seller.
That's the way these things usually go.

Other then this one, what has been the better one to buy?
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Other then this one, what has been the better one to buy?
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The current stick with the most support, roms, and development would be the original MK808.
It's based on the RK3066 dual core with 1GB ram and 8GB nand. This is considered last generation hardware.
I love/hate this stick. It uses the RK901 wifi which has signal drop problems and maxes out at 65Mbps.
It's also one of the few android sticks with a heatsink which allows it to operate at over 1.2Ghz without issues.
It can be had for under $45 shipped. I own several of these.
I just received news that another RK3188 stick is being released.
The MK908 - upgraded version of the MK808 series.
-Rk3188
-2GB ram
-8GB nand
-Wifi b/g/n
-Bluetooth 4.0
-1 full size usb port
-1 mini usb port OTG
-1 mini usb port for power
-female mini hdmi port
-hidden reset button
From what I can tell the main difference between the MK908 and the T428 is the wifi, the casing, the mini hdmi port, and the extra OTG mini usb port.
The MK908 does not support 5Ghz like the T428 is supposed to.
The MK908 does have an extra mini usb port with OTG support.
The MK908 has a female mini hdmi port instead of a male full size hdmi connector.
There's also a price difference. MK908 is $89 vs the T428 at $99.
It's a good deal if you don't need/want 5Ghz wifi.
I also ordered one of these so I should be able to provide a review when it comes.
Purchase Link:
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Tron...x-RK3188-Quad-Core-2G-8G-BT-Black-315155.html
Info Link:
http://blog.geekbuying.com/index.ph...3188-quad-core-mini-pc-tv-box-release-review/

Sorry for the noob question but how does this work exactly?
Edit: Never mind I finally found an explanation on Google.
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Can you put ubuntu on one of these?

hajalie24 said:
Can you put ubuntu on one of these?
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As of right now you can't put ubuntu onto the rk3188 devices.
There is no kernel source released or leaked. Hopefully we'll get some kernel source like we did for the rk3066
It may be possible to do ubuntu the old way with a vnc viewer, but I won't know until I get my sticks delievered.
I'm willing to be the guinea pig for any testing that needs to be done once I have these speed demons in my hands.

deadhp1 said:
As of right now you can't put ubuntu onto the rk3188 devices.
There is no kernel source released or leaked. Hopefully we'll get some kernel source like we did for the rk3066
It may be possible to do ubuntu the old way with a vnc viewer, but I won't know until I get my sticks delievered.
I'm willing to be the guinea pig for any testing that needs to be done once I have these speed demons in my hands.
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What type of controller would you recommend for one of these sticks?
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DaKillaWilla said:
What type of controller would you recommend for one of these sticks?
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The controller at the top of my list is the Logitech K400. I like the position of the extra mouse button on the opposite side from the touchpad.
It's a bit big though.
I've also had success using the Rii Mini, and the Measy RC12.

I'm using that K400 keyboard and it works great. It has about 90% functionality in Android. Now about this Quad stick. I'd stay away from the thing or any Media box/stick unless you can mod it with a heat sink at least .. TV boxes get pushed more then a smartphone does and while these CPU's run cool enough in a smartphone and tablet, not so much in a Media box. I have the Promethius and it didn't have a heat sink. Playing Angry Birds or any 3D game caused it to lock up. I added a heat sink and it worked fine but ran really hot even at stock clocks. Now that I've moded my box with a tall heat sink and fan, this is no longer the problem and It runs super cool, even overclocked to 1.3GHz. These products are being made half ass. Be warned !

SovereignKnight said:
I'm using that K400 keyboard and it works great. It has about 90% functionality in Android. Now about this Quad stick. I'd stay away from the thing or any Media box/stick unless you can mod it with a heat sink at least .. TV boxes get pushed more then a smartphone does and while these CPU's run cool enough in a smartphone and tablet, not so much in a Media box. I have the Promethius and it didn't have a heat sink. Playing Angry Birds or any 3D game caused it to lock up. I added a heat sink and it worked fine but ran really hot even at stock clocks. Now that I've moded my box with a tall heat sink and fan, this is no longer the problem and It runs super cool, even overclocked to 1.3GHz. These products are being made half ass. Be warned !
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Both the T428 and the MK908 have heatsinks. So no worries on that end!
The Prometheus really needed a heatsink as did the original UG802.
Anyhow I'm expecting delivery by Tuesday so hopefully I'll have preliminary reviews up by Wednesday.
I'm really looking forward to it!

I've got one of the mk908's en route as well.
One rub though already: rk3188 is full 1080p, 3d and dual screen capable but this stick is shipping as 720p native.
I'm bouncing emails with geekbuying now to see what the deal is.
I just found this http://www.shenzhenpc2u.com/2013/04/here-comes-android-4-2-rk3188-quad-core-1080p-dlna-tv-stick-ug802b/ which has the same specs but lists 1080p native and ac3/dts decoding. only difference seems to be android 4.2 hopefully the mk908 will get the goods when the roll out the 4.2 upgrade... fingers crossed

_sadpanda said:
I've got one of the mk908's en route as well.
One rub though already: rk3188 is full 1080p, 3d and dual screen capable but this stick is shipping as 720p native.
I'm bouncing emails with geekbuying now to see what the deal is.
I just found this http://www.shenzhenpc2u.com/2013/04/here-comes-android-4-2-rk3188-quad-core-1080p-dlna-tv-stick-ug802b/ which has the same specs but lists 1080p native and ac3/dts decoding. only difference seems to be android 4.2 hopefully the mk908 will get the goods when the roll out the 4.2 upgrade... fingers crossed
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I received both the T428 and the MK908 last night. So I've started the review process and should have something up within the next day or 2.
The link you provided for the UG802B has screen shots showing that it also is running at 1280x672.
From what I've seen with the RK3066 kernels it's just a matter of selecting 1080p when they compile the kernel.
So any of these devices should be able to support native 1080p if the manufacturer compiles a kernel for it.
The real trick for rockchip would be for them to finally figure out how to enable real switching of resolutions. They generally make these chips for tablets that have set screen sizes so they haven't gotten that down yet.

I got this response from geek buying :
Hello there,
the future will achieve 1080P.
We will get ROM as soon as possible.
regards
Amy
So I guess we shall see
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I got mine today it only took like 4 days pretty damn fast shipping by DHL.
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I've posted up my reviews for the T428 and the MK908.
T428:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=1994
MK908:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=405&t=1995

Miracast
Hi, are you able to test the miracast functionality with a phone?
deadhp1 said:
I've posted up my reviews for the T428 and the MK908.
T428:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=207&t=1994
MK908:
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewtopic.php?f=405&t=1995
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cddt said:
Hi, are you able to test the miracast functionality with a phone?
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I've never used miracast before, so I've been trying to set it up with my phablet.
I know that the T428 has support for it, I just don't seem to be able to connect properly with my phablet.
The T428 says connected, my phablet sticks at connecting...
In other news I've uploaded the stock 4.2.2 firmware for the T428.
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewforum.php?f=208
I'm in the process of making a slightly modified version of this that will have root and a 2GB data partition.
I may included some other tweaks.

Thanks for trying, let me know if you have any luck.
I'll try with my nexus 4 when I get mine delivered.
deadhp1 said:
I've never used miracast before, so I've been trying to set it up with my phablet.
I know that the T428 has support for it, I just don't seem to be able to connect properly with my phablet.
The T428 says connected, my phablet sticks at connecting...
In other news I've uploaded the stock 4.2.2 firmware for the T428.
http://www.armtvtech.com/armtvtechforum/viewforum.php?f=208
I'm in the process of making a slightly modified version of this that will have root and a 2GB data partition.
I may included some other tweaks.
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[QUESTION]What's the best Android stick out now?

I will use the Android TV stick mostly for watching movies on XBMC, and I also want to know if any of them is capable of playing 1080p. So what'd you choose at the moment? I found the Imito MX2, and maybe the MX808 or 809, but what do you find the best stick at the moment?

I would be interested to read people's opinions also on this. I currently use two Xbox 360's with media center but Android sticks could be a nice alternative.

D3vi0uz said:
I will use the Android TV stick mostly for watching movies on XBMC, and I also want to know if any of them is capable of playing 1080p. So what'd you choose at the moment? I found the Imito MX2, and maybe the MX808 or 809, but what do you find the best stick at the moment?
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I chose the iMito MX2 due to it's speed and the fact that it had Bluetooth built in. I have two, and the only real problem I've had is that the play store can't seem to differentiate between them... I'm assuming I'll have to hack a serial down the road in one of them to fix it. It plays 1080p though, and is fast enough to handle dead trigger and retro arch with a gamepad, and blows my raspberry pi out of the water in xbmc smoothness. There are likely better sticks out now due to the quad cores, but these work really well for me.
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Best for the Price$
Let us make this by price category.
Best under $50
Best between $50 and $100
Best over $100
My top choices:
Best under $50
MK802II single core, lowest price (best supported, most ROMS, lots of firmware options)
MK808\MK808B dualcore (well supported, stable, fast, factory provides updates) tabletuser.blogspot.com and see benchmarks LINK
I own the Uhost U1A and it is the same as the MK802II, but don't own the MK802II. I do own the MK808B and believe for the $50 price it's the best choice for an Android Stick.

cesar33 said:
Let us make this by price category.
Best under $50
Best between $50 and $100
Best over $100
My top choices:
Best under $50
MK802II single core, lowest price (best supported, most ROMS, lots of firmware options)
MK808\MK808B dualcore (well supported, stable, fast, factory provides updates) tabletuser.blogspot.com and see benchmarks LINK
I own the Uhost U1A and it is the same as the MK802II, but don't own the MK802II. I do own the MK808B and believe for the $50 price it's the best choice for an Android Stick.
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I just bought MK 802 III for 58 dollars and It looks and works fantastic. It is dual core with 1GB ram. I read some reviews about it and most of them were positive. Android app to control it makes it better. I played some HBO Go movies and they were flawless and very clear. I also tested some 1080P videos from youtube and they works without any issue. On netflix I could see how the video started choppy but then turned into clear HD. I havent played with it much I think I am going to like it.
I also used FAVI smartstick, it was nice too but couldnt play 1080P videos. HBO go was low quality as it is single core.

cesar33 said:
Let us make this by price category.
Best under $50
Best between $50 and $100
Best over $100
My top choices:
Best under $50
MK802II single core, lowest price (best supported, most ROMS, lots of firmware options)
MK808\MK808B dualcore (well supported, stable, fast, factory provides updates) tabletuser.blogspot.com and see benchmarks LINK
I own the Uhost U1A and it is the same as the MK802II, but don't own the MK802II. I do own the MK808B and believe for the $50 price it's the best choice for an Android Stick.
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there are some with 4 cores, i dont know if some have 2 g of ram
http://www.asiapads.com/es/4-2-andr...7b-rk3188-quad-core-2gb-ram-8gb-rom-2363.html
http://liliputing.com/2013/04/tronsmart-mk908-quad-core-android-tv-stick-performance-video.html
http://liliputing.com/2013/01/cubox-mini-computer-goes-pro-with-2gb-of-ram.html
http://liliputing.com/2012/12/s21h-android-4-1-mini-pc-features-2gb-of-ram.html

Hi all, from my search the new quad cores look like they could actually be useful HTPC replacements.
They run the new RK3188 Chip, which means 1.8ghz (Quad core) CPU and MALI 400 GPU. I am still waiting for some custom ROMs and XBMC compatibility tests, but so far they look very promising.
From the reviews I've read/watched the MK908 looks like having a much improved WIFI reception, Bluetooth 4.0 and 2GB of RAM (most new sticks with the RK3188 have 2GB of RAM).
So let's see which Android pc stick will get the developers support , and then choose accordantly.
The competition is on.

Does anyone know if XBMC for android supports live/recorded TV? I have a QAM tuner in my HTPC running WMC right now.

Android stick for mothers day - need advice
I need to order an android stick and I need it fast, but I need product advice. I'm buy it for my mother for mothers day so that she can stream video over netflix and from my Plex server in my home a couple hundred miles away. I want her to be able to Skype rather seamlessly and since she's not very good with computers, less peripherals = better gift. Please advise on everything that I need to get her setup. I'll need either a stick that has a camera built in or I'll need a compatible web cam to buy separately from the stick. Same goes for the keyboard. I'd like it to be already set at or upgradeable to android 4.2 so that she can use it for Miracast. Please let me know:
- Which stick I should buy
- Recommended airmouse/air keyboard w/ mic and speaker if necessary
- Recommended/compatible wifi and/or USB webcam to clip onto the TV
- Recommended USB hub if I need one
If possible recommend devices that can be bought off of Amazon or somewhere in the US so that I can get it by Saturday. If not that's OK too I guess, it'll just be a bit late.
Thanks
Jim

I'm using UG802
Specs:
- 1.6 GHz Dual-Core (Rockchip 3066)
- 1 GB RAM
- 4 GB FLASH
- microSD Slot ( up to 32 GB)
XBMC works like a charm with the Finless ROM.