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i just got my storage card nuked and i think it was by "save attachments on storage card" .. its cleanswept except for some attachment dir and a WMDRM dir.. anyone experienced this before?
Im curious if there is a way to save my storage card like file recovery for windows!?!? I've had smartphone for 2 years and never experienced such (nor used the mail portion) .. its really a drag if this is normal wm5 behavior.
anyways two questions:
- is a way to generally clone a qtek9100 with all regs and storage
- is there a way to recover lost files if nothing else is written to car? (so called quick formats)
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- is a way to generally clone a qtek9100 with all regs and storage
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Backup apps:
SPB Backup - www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/backup/?en
Sunnysoft Backup Manager - www.sunnysoft.cz/en_clanek.php?clanekid=51
Sprite Backup - www.spritesoftware.com/pocketpc.php
Or, otherwise, copy all files over, and export the registry using Tascal Registry Editor or so. Restoring would likely be iffy, though.. e.g. overwriting the Pocket Outlook database and such - if it can be done.
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- is there a way to recover lost files if nothing else is written to card? (so called quick formats)
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Yes - there's dedicated software for this. I got one from Sandisk that came with their 1GB Ultra III compactflash card that I've got in my camera next to a 2GB memorystick.
http://www.lc-tech.com/software/rprowindetail.html
as for the nuking, I assume now it was something todo with windows mediea player and device syncronization which hadnt fully initiated ..
anyways, when you tlak of recovery what do you mean, as the link you post leads to pc software.
u put sd card in camera and mount as usb and run pc software to recover?
sprite backup seems to be very nice and feature rich.
I just had the exact same thing happen to me...was just left with the attachments directory.
The good news is that the SD card shows that there is 250MB used so i know the files are there...i just cant see them. I'm trying that SD program referenced in the last post to see if i can at least see the files.
Unfortunately, all my backups are on the SD card itself. I hadnt copied them to my HD.
wow, this is nuts - there's some serious bug lurking around!
Update on this.
I was able to recover the files with some data recovery tools. The one in this thread is useless - its meant for media files only.
I still wonder why this happened. Either way, I'm switching back Outlook attachments to main memory for a bit and see what happens.
d'oh
Well, let us know which data recovery tool you used - might come in handy for others
yup same thing happened to me... and same way, attachments on storage card
space was still missing but the files were too
didnt bother recovering though as i had backups luckily
The same happened to me twice! The first time I thought it was due to FAT FS, so i reformated it with FAT32, but it happened again.
I do have my attachements at SD, as well as I save pictures from camera to it.
BTW, the same thing happened once with my wife's iPaq 2490 (attachement at SD).
As for fixing: just use standard MS Windows checkdsk (or use Check now from drive options) if you have a card reader. It saves all files to FOUND directory (but, unfortunately, it renames it to strange names, so you'll have to find out what is what)
If this happens to you, FinalData Enterprise and EasyRecovery Pro are known to recover files very well. They will find all files and filenames. They wont restore the top level folder names but if you dont have many, you can change them yourself. More important to me were the lower level filenames and the integrity of those files.
Most of the other trial recovery programs i used couldnt do what these two products could. They typically just showed a bunch of .chk files or else tried to recover media files only.
I still want to know how this happened and if there's a way to replicate the problem. There's some nasty Outlook bug lurking around that needs to be fixed!
same thing happened to me. just realised that i have 300 meg os missing disk space that i thought had gone for ever.
can anyone recommend a freeware tool ?
Wait, my new 2gb card died 2 days ago! The Wizard won't even find it, and my PC finds it, but all the stuff on it is missing except for a couple of directories and it won't let me format it. It has to go back to China now. I'm so pissed off.
Anyone know a card recovery app?
I know the ones i mentioned earlier should work.
Someone said chkdsk may work...try that although i worry that if it recovers cross linked files (most of them are), it'll dump a bunch of useless chk files on the card.
i tried checkdisk and it didn't seem to retrieve any files. grrrrrrrrr.
Well maybe it s a bug which occurs on march 14.... because that same thing occured to my sd yesterday while I was using tt5 on the road... ;(
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as for the nuking,.....bla bla.....
sprite backup seems to be very nice and feature rich.
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I'd choose SPB Backup. According to my knowledge the WM5 compatible version of Sprite Backup does not have the self extracting functionallity yet. (weird because that among other features made Sprite Backup stand tall above all other backup/clone solutions).
Hope they will include this self extracting feature soon.
2 GIG Mini SD Speed
Just got mine from Singapore yesterday. I did not format it as it came already formatted. I have noticed that playing video divx / mpg1's are very slow versus internal memory. I did the reg edits for cache size but found no real changes to media playback. Anyone out there playing with media playback on a Cingular 8125?
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Wait, my new 2gb card died 2 days ago! The Wizard won't even find it, and my PC finds it, but all the stuff on it is missing except for a couple of directories and it won't let me format it. It has to go back to China now. I'm so pissed off.
Anyone know a card recovery app?
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From experiance with this same issue on a 1gb, the card eventually starts having block failures. Fortunatly the place I bought it replaced it with another. Whatever nukes it, perminatly damaged mine. Hope in your case it didn't damage it.
I'm wondering if this is related to the reboot issue some of us are experiancing... and if it has something to do with pocket outlook or pocket windows media player 10.
Grey
Block failures are a hardware fault.
The only way you could induce one with software would be to rewrite the same location more than ~1m times, which would cause it to fail - flash has a limited lifetime, although the limit is very high.
So let me get this straight:
REGARDLESS of the BRAND of the miniSD card, the Wizard HAVE an ISSUE whereby, if MEssaging Attachement is saved to the card, the device CAN RANDOMLY nuke the card?
I haave the same issue with my ATP miniSD card (and they're considered one of the most reliable one), but instead of nuking it, it just doesn't show the file OR...worst... rename the card to "Storage CArd 2".
Depends on what people are running into.
If you're getting a corrupted card BUT you can reformat it, then it may be something with the storage card attachment thing. (I personally run with this turned on and have NOT had it happen)
If, however, the card CANNOT be reformatted - that is, its TOAST - then its NOT a software problem. The card has physically failed. Since the 2GB cards are quite new, this is entirely possible.
One other possibility - if you have a card that won't reformat first try writing a few kilobytes of zeros to it using psdwrite. If you can THEN reformat it, then the card was scrambled - it did not die.
Using "r2sd" to dump ROM images to the card has been known to interfere with reformatting to full capacity due to the internal data patterns that show up in certain places with certain ROMs. Writing a block of zeros to the front of the card will fix this, as it will wipe the data that is being misinterpreted.
Hello,
I just discovered I'm even more of a ignorant farmgirl than I thought... this time it's the MiniSD card I don't know anything about.
I mean: of course you plug it in and you browse to it to add/move/remove files... but it would seem that's not enough. So, can anyone point me to a SD-on-Wiz Faq, please?
A few things I'm looking into:
- How do you get the Wiz to automatically look among SD card-based files from an app? (i.e. "Open" from Word looks into the card first)
- How do you get the camera to save pictures directly onto the SD card, so as not to waste precious device-based memory?
- What are the actual differences between installing apps onto a SD card compared to the device memory? I noticed some apps seem to behave differently according to where they are placed.
- Is there any way to create a card-based auto-multi-installer to do all the dirty work of reinstalling apps automatically after a hard reset?
I'm sure I left out several other interesting and useful things...
Thanks in advance for your contributions!
there´s some reg tweaks you can do so the wizard will store stuff on the sd-card and not in main memorey (i. e. IE cache files, Camera pics, etc.)
just search the forum you´ll find some stuff there.
For the difference between SD-Card and main storage installation. i have no idea. haven´t noticed any change in my apps. maybe just in speed of loading apps. but that´s all i noticed.
for doing backup of your apps. a lot of programms you intall on your sd card don´t need to be reinstalled after a hard reset. just need to put the shortcuts and links back in the folders.
hope i could help.
greets Freez
Making the camera save pictures to the SD card can be done by changing the settings in the camera app under options.
There is no way to automatically have all apps look on the SD card first, every app needs a change in their settings or in the registry to accomplish that.
Installing apps on the SD card has pros and cons. The pros are of course that your storage space on the device (in the ROM) gets used up less, so you can install more apps on your device. It is however not necessary to leave it as empty as possible as it was in WM 2003 SE. In WM 2003 SE (on for instance the Magician) apps were installed in RAM and the more you installed on the device, the more RAM was used up and the less RAM there was available for running apps, resulting in a slow down of the device. Furthermore running out of battery power would result in the device turning off, emptying the RAM and lossing all data and installed apps. In WM5 this is different. Since ROM is used for storage and RAM for executing only, you can fill your ROM to the max without slowing down the device. Furthermore an empty battery will mean no data loss. Concluding, there is no necessity to install as much as possible to the SD card and leave your ROM space empty.
The cons of installing to your SD card are that some apps (e.g. today-plug-ins) don't like being installed on SD card. For today plug-ins this has to do with the start-up process of the Wizard. After turing the device on or waking it from sleep, the device will first load the apps and then initialize the SD card. The device will try to load the apps on the today screen (the plug-ins that is) that are stored on the SD before the SD slot is initialized and the apps cannot be found by the device, creating glitches and problems.
Another con for me is that I like to switch between my SD with TomTom navigation maps and my SD with my mp3/movie collection. If I install most apps to SD, this means that I will have to change my SD again if during a movie or MP3 I want to use one of these apps quickly.
However, if you use only one SD for installing and not much else, this problem does of course not exist.
If your storage in ROM is not full, there is no reason to install aps to SD.
Thak you for the info so far!
Koskie: paint me 'tard... I never even saw the camera Options menu until you mentioned it...
I am about to start getting some cards and here is what I was thinking...
1. a 512 or 128MB card for everyday use. Store IE cache, ringtones, pictures, and some programs (solitaire, puzzles, monopoly etc).
2. A series of 2GB cards for music, movies and TV content when I travel. I was planing on installing TCPMP on each one to avaoid putting that in my device memory.
As far as restoring after flashing or a hard reset, I currently keep a copy of all programs, ringtones, pim backups etc on my home computer. It is organized by file type, utils, games, rings etc. so when I flash I just go through again and reinstall one by one. I've found this is easier than figuring out where to download everything all over again.
@bubism: no problem, took me a while to figure it out too, that option is well-hidden!
@dcdivenut: Good plan. Those small size cards are really cheap. Why don't you install TCPMP on your device memory? It is not too big. Or have you crammed your mem so full that you have no more place for it.
I also have all apps I ever installed still on my desktop, including a list with all the reg edits I did and all apps I have currently installed with a short explanation for most apps and installation instructions when a standard install is not good enough (e.g. TomTom 5.21)
In case a hard reset is needed,I just grab the list and install all apps again, then do all the regedits. Still a lot of work, but quicker than having to search all apps and edits online. I recommend this approach to everyone.
Hey Koskie:
Can you post that list and what to do? I have a new 8125 and miniSD card and have no idea what to use the card for. I won't be putting music, pictures or videos on it since it is a work phone.
Ski
@ Skijackz: I use my SD card for music, TomTom 5.21 maps and video's only, all my apps are installed in main (=device) mem. I have approx. 16 MB free of Storage mem. If you have no use for your SD card and your storage mem is sufficient to store your apps, you can take it out and replace it with the plastic dummy that came with it. In that way your card slot is protected against dust and dirt, but the SD card will not use any power, thereby lengthening your uptime. If you use your device for navigation, you have to use the card to store the maps on it, since they are too big for your device mem.
The list I made is partly in Dutch, especially the notes, so it might not be very useful to you. Furthermore the list is a mess, since it works through my personal filing system (copy and paste wherever my cursor happens to rest). It is a mostly chronological list, I mostly added everything I found at the end. I'll attach it anyway, perhaps you'll find it useful. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask them here or through PM.
Thanks a lot for the tip on storing pics to the storage card!!! That's a real find! ....and much appreciated!!
This place is the BEST :!: :!:
Thanks Koskie!! This is a real help.
Hi guys, since i am getting my DOPOD U1000 this week, i want to know where is the best place to install my program and store my music and photo.
I have purchase a 4GB mini SDHC. Compare to the micro drive, which one should i use to install my program. (which one is faster?)
For music & movie, i think i will store it in Micro Drive. How about photos? Will there be delays if i store the photo taken by camera in Micro drive? or is it better to store in SDHC?
Thank
I had the Samsung SGH-i300. Nice WM Smartphone with 4 GB micro drive....it drains the battery like a starving beast. With improvements in technology, things should be a little better now, but don't expect too much, hence 128 ROM & 256 RAM (for regularly used apps and accessed files).
Micro drive will drain your battery severely. Best way to look at it is this way; put the files that you will most frequently access on your SDHC card and larger files like movies on your micro drive.
Photos? Difficult one really. Personally, I have two categories of photos; Newly taken ones which I want to see regularly for a while + Wallpapers etc [store these on SD card]
Older collection of Photos/Albums- occasional use but important to me personally th have always available [Store these on Micro Drive]
Movies and Music and PC data for various reasons [Micro Drive]
Regularly used apps not installed to default device location [SD Card]
Don't forget the micro drive is mechanical and therefore drains battery power more that's why it's good to use SD card for heavy use.
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I had the Samsung SGH-i300. Nice WM Smartphone with 4 GB micro drive....it drains the battery like a starving beast. With improvements in technology, things should be a little better now, but don't expect too much, hence 128 ROM & 256 RAM (for regularly used apps and accessed files).
Micro drive will drain your battery severely. Best way to look at it is this way; put the files that you will most frequently access on your SDHC card and larger files like movies on your micro drive.
Photos? Difficult one really. Personally, I have two categories of photos; Newly taken ones which I want to see regularly for a while + Wallpapers etc [store these on SD card]
Older collection of Photos/Albums- occasional use but important to me personally th have always available [Store these on Micro Drive]
Movies and Music and PC data for various reasons [Micro Drive]
Regularly used apps not installed to default device location [SD Card]
Don't forget the micro drive is mechanical and therefore drains battery power more that's why it's good to use SD card for heavy use.
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Thanks mackaby007, that answer every single of my question. Will indeed follow the above setup when my device is here
wu5262 said:
Thanks mackaby007, that answer every single of my question. Will indeed follow the above setup when my device is here
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hi
if device hanging and must hard reset it, which drive will be formatted?
Micro Drive or Memory or ram or all ?
tanX
Arya said:
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if device hanging and must hard reset it, which drive will be formatted?
Micro Drive or Memory or ram or all ?
tanX
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only the ram in device is clear, micro drive and mini sd will stay un-touch. Of course , there is a function that you can format the micro alone as well
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only the ram in device is clear, micro drive and mini sd will stay un-touch. Of course , there is a function that you can format the micro alone as well
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tanX a lot
with this thing we must install programs on which? beacuse if a program have problem we must reset and formatting and other information(music,videoand..) willl be deleted!!!!
Arya said:
tanX a lot
with this thing we must install programs on which? beacuse if a program have problem we must reset and formatting and other information(music,videoand..) willl be deleted!!!!
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see above post:
Program you use a lot, everyday! (on device memory)
Program you use sometimes, (on sd card)
Music and Video (on micro drive)
Flash photo (sd card)
Old photo (move to micro drive)
Hope that help
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see above post:
Program you use a lot, everyday! (on device memory)
Program you use sometimes, (on sd card)
Music and Video (on micro drive)
Flash photo (sd card)
Old photo (move to micro drive)
Hope that help
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tanX a lot
Big Post people....run now if u hate long posts.
Arya said:
tanX a lot:
with this thing we must install programs on which? beacuse if a program have problem we must reset and formatting and other information(music,videoand..) willl be deleted!!!!
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Also Arya, don't forget that we're talking about WM5 here. There will likely not be many problems if you were using the same apps on a previous WM5 PPC.
Personally I will set up as follows:
1) Only install apps which have proved to be no probs in over 3 months of use, prior to getting the X7500.
2) Test each app for only 10-15 minutes with a couple of soft resets and whilst other apps run in background.
3) No more than essential apps initially (don't even want a X7500 if it can't run this).
4) These apps for me are: Batti v2.0, WA2, Resco Photo Viewer, Total Commander, Coreplayer (or TCPMP) and PocketMusic. Providing these work without issue for 15 minutes - 60 minutes, I do a Full backup with Spb Backup. Then I do a contacts backup using Spb Backup. Then I have my primary set-up to revert to if things go wrong as I install other apps in the future.
5) This should really come before the backup. Ensure UMTS connects and disconnects as it should and that my primary Wi-fi is protected (secured) and my sim contacts have been saved to my outlook contacts.
6)That's the basics. Then transfer all 'storage data' like Movies, Music and occasionally accessed Photos to Micro-Drive. Also PC data to be used in other places other than home or work can also be stored here.
7) Personal Ring-tone folder - SD Card
8) Regularly accessed Photos and recently taken Photos - SD Card...Why?...because I often take my SD card to transfer photos to mine and other PC's. If the X7500 has mass storage capabilities due to USB host capabilities, then this may change to Micro-Drive only, but that means I always have to walk with a lead. (No thanks - the X75 is big enough)
9)Before -all games to SD card...Now - all games to device unless they exceed 15mb.
10)Backup Device and have duplicate copy of personalized file structure and folders on Micro Drive, just in case.
I should now have 3 Backups:
1) Primary backup - Essential apps with everything working beautifully.
2) Contacts backup - make a scheduled backup of this once a week to include new additions and replace last Contacts backup.
3)Big Backup - Final and fully loaded Device backup including SD card and micr drive Backup.
Lastly should have been first. Play with original ROM without 3rd party apps for at least 48 hours (however many days it takes to achieve the hours). Why?..to ensure you are happy with the ROM before you go through all this work.
Remember the device backup is not transferable to other ROMs, nor will applications that were installed to SD card or Micro drive. Hence the reason why I put 'storage data' on the micro drive and SD card, because it can be used again.
Then I just install whatever whenever, without fear of a total rebuild.
Not least of all, be prepared to do it all over again when WM6 becomes available for the X7500.
And yes I'll be doing it - can live without Video calling.
Sorry for the long post people, but I hope someone finds it useful as it has taken me years to get a system that gives me no problems at all.....but that's exactly what I always end up with after all the problems have been resolved and tweaks applied...a device to die for. Not literally.
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Also Arya, don't forget that we're talking about WM5 here. There will likely not be many problems if you were using the same apps on a previous WM5 PPC.
Personally I will set up as follows:
1) Only install apps which have proved to be no probs in over 3 months of use, prior to getting the X7500.
2) Test each app for only 10-15 minutes with a couple of soft resets and whilst other apps run in background.
3) No more than essential apps initially (don't even want a X7500 if it can't run this).
4) These apps for me are: Batti v2.0, WA2, Resco Photo Viewer, Total Commander, Coreplayer (or TCPMP) and PocketMusic. Providing these work without issue for 15 minutes - 60 minutes, I do a Full backup with Spb Backup. Then I do a contacts backup using Spb Backup. Then I have my primary set-up to revert to if things go wrong as I install other apps in the future.
5) This should really come before the backup. Ensure UMTS connects and disconnects as it should and that my primary Wi-fi is protected (secured) and my sim contacts have been saved to my outlook contacts.
6)That's the basics. Then transfer all 'storage data' like Movies, Music and occasionally accessed Photos to Micro-Drive. Also PC data to be used in other places other than home or work can also be stored here.
7) Personal Ring-tone folder - SD Card
8) Regularly accessed Photos and recently taken Photos - SD Card...Why?...because I often take my SD card to transfer photos to mine and other PC's. If the X7500 has mass storage capabilities due to USB host capabilities, then this may change to Micro-Drive only, but that means I always have to walk with a lead. (No thanks - the X75 is big enough)
9)Before -all games to SD card...Now - all games to device unless they exceed 15mb.
10)Backup Device and have duplicate copy of personalized file structure and folders on Micro Drive, just in case.
I should now have 3 Backups:
1) Primary backup - Essential apps with everything working beautifully.
2) Contacts backup - make a scheduled backup of this once a week to include new additions and replace last Contacts backup.
3)Big Backup - Final and fully loaded Device backup including SD card and micr drive Backup.
Lastly should have been first. Play with original ROM without 3rd party apps for at least 48 hours (however many days it takes to achieve the hours). Why?..to ensure you are happy with the ROM before you go through all this work.
Remember the device backup is not transferable to other ROMs, nor will applications that were installed to SD card or Micro drive. Hence the reason why I put 'storage data' on the micro drive and SD card, because it can be used again.
Then I just install whatever whenever, without fear of a total rebuild.
Not least of all, be prepared to do it all over again when WM6 becomes available for the X7500.
And yes I'll be doing it - can live without Video calling.
Sorry for the long post people, but I hope someone finds it useful as it has taken me years to get a system that gives me no problems at all.....but that's exactly what I always end up with after all the problems have been resolved and tweaks applied...a device to die for. Not literally.
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your informations are very good and i hope every one use it
tanX a lot too
I have a 2GB Trancend 80x MiniSD and ran the speed benchmark test using SK Tools. Here's the result :
Storage Card (write); 535.28;KB/sec
Storage Card (read); 875.84;KB/sec
MicroDrive (write);14733.81;KB/sec
MicroDrive (read);11792.71;KB/sec
Storage card wins hands down as expected.
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I have a 2GB Trancend 80x MiniSD and ran the speed benchmark test using SK Tools. Here's the result :
Storage Card (write); 535.28;KB/sec
Storage Card (read); 875.84;KB/sec
MicroDrive (write);14733.81;KB/sec
MicroDrive (read);11792.71;KB/sec
Storage card wins hands down as expected.
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sorry i am a bit confuse here, i though the bigger value is better, so storage card can write 535.28 Kb per second where micro drive can write 14733.81 Kb per second. Or am i wrong here?
Yeah, that's how I'm reading those values.
Guys, you're absolutely right ofcourse. Its 12:38AM here and I think I should go to sleep. Playing with the new U1000 for 8 hours flat I think I am starting to loose it. Thanks for setting the record straight...
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I have a 2GB Trancend 80x MiniSD and ran the speed benchmark test using SK Tools. Here's the result :
Storage Card (write); 535.28;KB/sec
Storage Card (read); 875.84;KB/sec
MicroDrive (write);14733.81;KB/sec
MicroDrive (read);11792.71;KB/sec
Storage card wins hands down as expected.
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Hi k_Kik,
Could I seek the following clarification?
How was your card formatted?
- Do you back up the FAT table?
- Is it with FAT32 ?
- What was your cluster size?
Also, SK tools seems to always give a very good reading for the first test, then have a drastically lowered reading from second test onward (That has been my observation). Is your reading the first one or the second one onward? Also, the reading differs drastically depending on the above settings used to format the card. My own test shows the following: (All FAT 32 formatting and without FAT table backup)
Cluster size----1st write--1st read----subsequent write/read
0.5K---------- 13.26KB/s--798KB/s---not tested
1K------------15.76-------931------not tested
2K------------238---------930------not tested
4K------------264---------931 -----not tested
8K------------518---------931-------270/922-- 266/922
16K---------- 490---------911------235/748----232/688
32K----------518---------950------241/701------240/708----243/720
I also tested with FAT table backup as a formatting setting, and got the following result
32k---------144---------821-------91/750
My card is a class 4 4GB miniSDHC card made by Toshiba, manufactured in Japan.
It appears that in my case the best performance that SKtools would report comes from FAT32 with no FAT table backup, and cluster size of 32KB. Is your card formatted with the same setting?
Hi,
I've done a search and haven't been able to find anything solid on this so I apologize if it's been covered. I've been using the Atrix for a few days now and I noticed that when I view click on the "Files" app (the default file viewer that comes with the Atrix) it comes up with a list of the following options:
Internal phone storage
SD card
Shared folders
Protected Content
This is different than previous Android phones I've used in that I get a file structure instead of options of where to look. That's fine; I can just click on one of those options to view the contents. However, I use a application at work to use my phone as a glorified picture frame. It's called Slideshow Bob and it does not recognize the external SD Card. This hasn't been an issue with prior Android devices, but from little I can glean from doing an online search, this does seem to be a limitation with some Motorola models. Again, I have had no problem accessing my pictures in Slideshow Bob from any of the Samsung Android devices I own and this is my first Motorola phone with this OS so I'm wondering if this is a bug that will be remedied or if they've basically limited file access from apps on this phone. I'm sure that's not the case with every app, but it certainly is for some. Anyone else have any issues or workarounds they'd like to share?
iirc, none of the currently released Samsung Android devices have built-in storage plus an expansion slot, which is why you've likely never seen the issue.
Basically, Android was never designed to have more than one expansion slot, so that ends up being mounted in /mnt/sdcard (or /sdcard, with one symlinked to the other). Since there's no standard on where additional storage ends up being (and most programs assume there's no additional storage anyways), programs usually don't know where to look.
There is probably an option is Slideshow Bob of where to get the pictures, try /mnt/sdcard-ext/[folder name], where [folder name] is the name of the folder on the external sd card where the pictures are.
Sogarth said:
iirc, none of the currently released Samsung Android devices have built-in storage plus an expansion slot, which is why you've likely never seen the issue.
Basically, Android was never designed to have more than one expansion slot, so that ends up being mounted in /mnt/sdcard (or /sdcard, with one symlinked to the other). Since there's no standard on where additional storage ends up being (and most programs assume there's no additional storage anyways), programs usually don't know where to look.
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Hi,
My Samsung Captivate had 16GB of built-in memory and an SD expansion card slot which I filled with an additional 16GB card. In the android file manager I could access the expansion card by going into the ext_sd (or something like that) under the main sdcard directory. I could also see this folder in Slideshow Bob.
harolds said:
There is probably an option is Slideshow Bob of where to get the pictures, try /mnt/sdcard-ext/[folder name], where [folder name] is the name of the folder on the external sd card where the pictures are.
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Hi,
There is no such option. There is an option for the default folder, but it's a text field you have to type in, not a directory structure. I tried typing in the path to the external sd card, /sdcard-ext/MEDIA, directly (which ASTRO file manager shows exists), but the app says the directory does not exist. I really think Motorola is doing something to limit what apps can and cannot access for whatever reason. This has never been an issue with my Samsung Captivate or Galaxy Tab.
I think this actually has to do with the external sd card being mounted separate from the internal. In my previous devices the external card was seen as a directory on the internal sd card. With the Atrix it is an entirely separate item and some apps may not be able to access it as a result of having that different mounting. I don't have any other apps with which I need to navigate to a directory (other than various file managers) so I can't test how endemic this is. I imagine it might be an issue for apps that rely on a folder structure for data access such as music apps that are folder based instead of reading from what's in the media library.
I just tried another slideshow app. It is a problem, I think, with Slideshow Bob. It can't see any folders not on the internal sd card. In my Samsung devices the external card was viewed as a folder on the internal card and was, therefore, not a problem.
Apps having directory navigation problems on the Motorola Atrix
Kenny, I have the same problem with the PowerAmp app. My phone is also rooted and I have root explorer which shows me the music files exist. I can even play one file at a time with the power amp from explorer. But I get the same issue when I try to navigate to the music using poweramp. One more possibility is that the Atrix is running Android 2.2.1. Perhaps there is an issue with the upgrade. (I thing this "upgrade" is a disappointment compared to 2.2. I'd rather try Gingerbread.) AT&T has a 30 buyers remorse period and I've only had the Atrix for a week. I love the phone and I would hate to take it back but wtf? I'm just like the rest of you, I just want the damn thing to work!
p.s. My wife's Samsung Captivate never had this issue either.
Update: I found this issue in the Poweramp forum and I also spoke to an at&t support specialist and they verified what was said earlier about the problem is in the difference between the Atrix file system versus the Captivate. The Captivate mounts the external sd card as a folder inside the internal sd card while the Atrix has it mounted separately. The Poweramp administrators promise a fix in a week so I'm glad they are aware of the problem. This seems like an easy bug to fix. I will snoop around the market to see if an app can "trick" the Atrix file system to put the external sd in an internal sd folder. If anyone is aware of such an app, let us know.
The Atrix is promised the Gingerbread upgrade later this year. It has a new file system (ext4) which promises to be faster for phones like our Atrix or the Nexus. As I said, it seem an easy problem to fix, I'm sure this problem will be a thing of the past by then, I'm going to keep my Atrix and wait.
Kenny, you might want to check your app's web site to see if they have a fix in the making.
The Atrix being my first android phone im still learning things every day and I have had similar issues with the sd card and storage partitions. while checking out different files and what not I stumbled upon this default.prop file which contains the following..
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# ADDITIONAL_DEFAULT_PROPERTIES
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ro.secure=1
ro.allow.mock.location=0
ro.debuggable=0
persist.service.adb.enable=0
EXTERNAL_STORAGE_MOUNT=/mnt/sdcard
I was wondering if any one with more android experience is familiar with creating and editing prop files for certain activities could confirm if we switch the last line to sdcard-ext if this would now read or set our external sd card to be the sd card that the system and most apps read and write to. I haven't tested it myself but being familiar with different registry edits in winmo and windows im thinking this will work.. anyone agree or have some information they can share?
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Hi everyone,
I got the latest Moto X as soon as it went public because I loved the idea of Vanilla Android with SD support. I got the 16 GB version and a 64 GB SD. Ever since I got it, the phone has been bugging me about the storage and today I finally gave in. Until today I kept my photos, music and podcasts on my SD card but the internal memory was constantly full and I couldn't install new apps. So I thought formatting the SD card under Android 6 would make it one with the internal storage. It didn't. It made it worse. I can move apps to the SD card but I can't force photos and other media to be saved there. I was hoping for internal-SD continuity and I got a total lack of control. So now I can't receive SMS and I keep having "storage is running out" notification while I still have 60 GB free on my SD card.
What's your take on this? Thanks!
Since this is about SD cards, I'm having another problem to state if OP doesn't mind. On my Moto X, when using exploring (using file explorer) the original sd card I've used for years, many folders do not show up. The same happens to a video player (RockPlayer), where it doesn't show many folders I have on my card (it did when used on my previous Atrix 2). However, when I go to "Storage & USB" and select the card, everything is normal. That means, only when viewing the sd card via "Storage & USB", all folders appear.
However, applications and games (besides gallery) will assume the first situation, where those folders remain invisible. Does anyone know what the problem actually is?
Edit: After checking, it seems that my /sdcard folder is the same as /storage/emulated/0.
Thank you.
MoCML said:
Since this is about SD cards, I'm having another problem to state if OP doesn't mind. On my Moto X, when using exploring (using file explorer) the original sd card I've used for years, many folders do not show up. The same happens to a video player (RockPlayer), where it doesn't show many folders I have on my card (it did when used on my previous Atrix 2). However, when I go to "Storage & USB" and select the card, everything is normal. That means, only when viewing the sd card via "Storage & USB", all folders appear.
However, applications and games (besides gallery) will assume the first situation, where those folders remain invisible. Does anyone know what the problem actually is?
Edit: After checking, it seems that my /sdcard folder is the same as /storage/emulated/0.
Thank you.
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Seems like my sdcard folder is now C601-8353 under Storage folder, along with Emulated and Self folders.
domi_niku said:
Hi everyone,
I got the latest Moto X as soon as it went public because I loved the idea of Vanilla Android with SD support. I got the 16 GB version and a 64 GB SD. Ever since I got it, the phone has been bugging me about the storage and today I finally gave in. Until today I kept my photos, music and podcasts on my SD card but the internal memory was constantly full and I couldn't install new apps. So I thought formatting the SD card under Android 6 would make it one with the internal storage. It didn't. It made it worse. I can move apps to the SD card but I can't force photos and other media to be saved there. I was hoping for internal-SD continuity and I got a total lack of control. So now I can't receive SMS and I keep having "storage is running out" notification while I still have 60 GB free on my SD card.
What's your take on this? Thanks!
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Have you tried using OpenCamera instead? It's free, open source, AND lets you choose where to store the pics. IMHO the picture quality is better too.
You could also move the pics to the card manually after you take them...
TXJim said:
Have you tried using OpenCamera instead? It's free, open source, AND lets you choose where to store the pics. IMHO the picture quality is better too.
You could also move the pics to the card manually after you take them...
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Great call, thanks for the tip.
I haven't had any problems saving photos or other media to my SD card with adoptable storage. This is something you should be able to specify in preferences whether you are using adoptable storage or not. If this doesn't work with some apps just use a file manager to move the files to the SD card.
Sometimes when I move apps to my SD Card, I would get similar messages about being out of space, even though this wasn't the case. Deleting the cache on SD card seemed to fix the problem. There can also be a problem if your SD card is too slow. However, you would probably get an alert if that was the case.
My advise erase it all internal and sd card start from a blank state the phone should give you the option to mount the sd as internal I don't like how it is implemented so I chose not to use it.
For some strange reason my phone will not read my SD card I have it formatted to internal stage and now it says searching for SD card. I'm so mad I've searched all over with no solution, I'm about to get a new phone and scrap this one, sorry I'm just very upset and I had to vent, of anyone knows of this type of issue please share.
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