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Hello guys! I am making this thread in order to solve the confusion about the display of the Xperia Z. I was a bit surprised today when I saw my rss flooding with the discussion of how crap the display was on the retail models.
To start of I would like to tell you all that both the Docomo variant and international variant of Xperia Z display are the same! They both are using the Renesas R63311 variant of LCDs. Which is using actually Sharp technology for the displays. Yeah it's not made by sony.
http://www.rsp.renesas.com/en/news/2012/news20120418.htm
So the issue of the color saturation between the international model and docomo model is suppose to be the calibration of the values of the display(a configuration in the kernel level).
In short the issue is within the software side and not the hardware so NO it's not true that sony did put cheaper displays on the international version compared to the docomo versions. Cause there's no cheap and premium edition of the Renesas R63311 model.
Now most of you would probably doubt me now on how I was able to tell you this and what are my sources.
Now being a kernel developer and have very solid knowledge with hardwares I would like to show you here concrete proofs of what I am talking about (Kernel developers are welcome to prove my point here)
Here is the kernel config file of the docomo version of Xperia Z
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-.../configs/fusion3_yuga_dcm_defconfig?at=master
The boolean configs for the display drivers is located in line 398 and 399.
Code:
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70=y
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01=y
Looking at the Makefile
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-...7/kernel/drivers/video/msm/Makefile?at=master
the display drivers of those configs basically call out the files
Code:
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_jdc_mdy70.o
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_jdc_mdy80.o
obj-$(CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01) += mipi_dsi_panel_r63311_sharp_ls050t3sx01.o
Now how can I tell that it is the one used by Xperia Z?
If you view the board files of the Xperia Z the display if defined here.
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/so-02e-...ch-msm/board-sony_fusion3-display.c?at=master
Code:
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_2a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80
&jdc_mdy80_black_panel_id,
&jdc_mdy80_white_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo_01,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a_02,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01 */
Now this alone proves that Docomo version indeed uses the display I mentioned. Now how do I prove that it is the same as with the international version? Of course by providing the kernel sources of the international version also.
Now here's the config file for the
International version of Xperia Z:
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y.../arm/configs/fusion3_yuga_defconfig?at=master
on line 391 & 392:
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70=y
CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01=y
Defconfig of Xperia ZL for reference here
International version of Xperia ZL:
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y.../arm/configs/fusion3_odin_defconfig?at=master
And board files of the international version of Xperia Z.
https://bitbucket.org/Don2x/intl.-y...ch-msm/board-sony_fusion3-display.c?at=master
Code:
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo_2a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_dlogo,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id_1a_02,
&jdc_mdy70_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY70 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80
&jdc_mdy80_black_panel_id,
&jdc_mdy80_white_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_JDC_MDY80 */
#ifdef CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo_01,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_dlogo,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id_1a_02,
&sharp_ls050t3sx01_panel_id,
#endif /* CONFIG_FB_MSM_MIPI_R63311_SHARP_LS050T3SX01 */
You can see the similar display drivers being used by the international version & docomo version here.
So my point here is demo model or not. Docomo variant or not they all use the same LCD technology! There's no difference!
Now how do I prove to all of you that they're not the same kernel sources and I didn't just made duplicates and remove some files?
Compare these yourself.
Docomo version:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...s/open-source-archive-for-build-10-1-d-0-317/
International version:
http://developer.sonymobile.com/dow...s/open-source-archive-for-build-10-1-a-1-350/
All in all the very basic logic here is that you can't use a single display driver on different types of hardware which should make a point that if two different sources uses the same driver only leads to having the same hardware.
Ok, excuse my noobiness here, but are the "display levels" able to be fiddled with? Or is it likely to be part of some binary that we can't do anything about.
M.
Does it mean we will be able to correct display issue with display calibration application ?
Already clicked thanks Thanks for the detailed information
When Comparing the NA Xperia Z (production carrier testing model) to a HTC One X, it is abundantly obvious the screen isn't up to par.
Not sure if software can correct atrocious viewing angles and contrast.
mattman83 said:
Ok, excuse my noobiness here, but are the "display levels" able to be fiddled with? Or is it likely to be part of some binary that we can't do anything about.
M.
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Hi! I only did a quick glance on the whole code to confirm that docomo and international version have the same types of display but I haven't messed yet with the whole display driver itself. I don't have any device yet to try messing with the driver configuration so I can't say yet. But most likely yes it is possible.
jigarpatel22 said:
Does it mean we will be able to correct display issue with display calibration application ?
Already clicked thanks Thanks for the detailed information
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Suppose to be yes. Like what I have said above I don't have any devices yet to debug this one but if the display calibration software sony included in the ROM is directly controlling the color enhancement and gamma(for saturation) then mostlikely it is possible.
Maedhros said:
When Comparing the NA Xperia Z (production carrier testing model) to a HTC One X, it is abundantly obvious the screen isn't up to par.
Not sure if software can correct atrocious viewing angles and contrast.
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I don't own any HTC One series phones so I can't compare actually but they are a whole different type of displays so I really can't tell if it's possible to calibrate it to be on par with the One X.
Edit: I am not familiar with Tegra 3 might take a while before I can check HTC One X
Ok this is good news..gave a thanks
If the software isnt included ill try get an XZ from japan only..do thy sell unlocked units?
I have been totally put off xz now. Tinny speaker screen not up to par. M7 released today will wait now
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Same with me. My eye currently is on HTC M7 since I got attracted by the frontal stereo speakers. But if it's the same like other One Series with unremoveable battery + no sd slot then back on anticipating the Xperia ZL. Being a current HTC user I find sense a very battery hog type of UI. Having a small battery capacity and unremoveable one would be a very big no for me. My current HTC device has already killed 2 batteries in 2 years and I don't want that to happen on a unremoveable battery phone. At least let us change batteries if it died. lol don't want a disposable device on my hand.
Does the ZL use the same screen? Since it is thicker it might use a non economical IPS???
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Does the ZL use the same screen? Since it is thicker it might use a non economical IPS???
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ZL does use the same screen as Xperia Z and what's economical IPS? If you're talking about e-IPS it's Enhanced-IPS not Economical-IPS. There's no such thing.
Also isn't e-IPS made by LG? And the display here isn't from LG but from sharp.
As you can see in the document it is a LTPS type of panel.
Panel Low-temperature poly-silicon (LTPS) TFT
Hmmmmm, a lot of people seemed convinced these displays were from JDI... so this is not the case? Interesting.
IF they are all Sharp displays, could that explain relatively crappy screen performance?
wow relatively crappy?!??!
what the... i mean its not top of the notch 2013 highend screen, but it sure does look sexy as hell in my eyes...
vivftp said:
Hmmmmm, a lot of people seemed convinced these displays were from JDI... so this is not the case? Interesting.
IF they are all Sharp displays, could that explain relatively crappy screen performance?
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Even I was also convinced on the past. But when the kernel source code was released this confirmed the real display being used.
There are actually 3 types of TF displays in general which are being used by phones.
AH-IPS, LTPS and ASV
AH-IPS are somewhat the AMOLED killer(Might be the display used by HTC)
LTPS which is being used by Xperia Z/ZL are the displays which is famous for being low power
ASV on which has the advantage of having a clear wide angle display.
I assume sony did get the LTPS display for utilizing the low power feature it has. This probably the reason why every review we get says that we are having excellent battery life for a 5 incher phone with high end chipsets.
So I'm not sure about what you're saying about crappy screen performance but if you're talking about the angle washed out issue then probably this is a screen issue.
If it's the saturation of the overall screen I'd say it's a software issue
I'm sure sony could fix it. It's just a matter of setting the ARGB values of windows manager of ROM they compiled.
This must be the reason also why Docomo version has good display while others aren't. Assuming that the Docomo version is a customized OS and not the generic one probably different developers must have made/compiled the OS.
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wow relatively crappy?!??!
what the... i mean its not top of the notch 2013 highend screen, but it sure does look sexy as hell in my eyes...
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I agree they are great. By relatively crappy I was both referring to peoples perceptions of it and the fact that some people say the phones they have seen are great and others say they are bad. Originally it was believed the screen came from JDI, so if they are using screens from both companies that could explain this discrepency if the Sharp panels aren't up to snuff
found a decent description of the 3
AH-IPS
This display technology has been invented by LG. It is an abbreviation for Advanced High performing - In-Plane Switching LCD. It is being touted as the actual competitor to Samsung's 'Super AMOLED' display. In a competition held by 'Intertek', LG's AH-IPS display actually defeated Samsung's Super AMOLED in 2 parameters: Color-Accuracy and Power-Efficiency. You can find this display in the recently released LG Nitro HD.
LTPS
This is an abbreviation for 'Low Temperature Poly Silicon' LCD. One of the important characteristics of such displays is that, the drive circuits are directly integrated onto the glass surface which contributes to reducing the number of component parts designed on the outside substrate. This leads to the display's durability being enhanced. The reduced size of the TFT section leads to a crisper display and also leads to lower power consumption. You can find this display in the Lenovo LePad S2005.
ASV
This is an abbreviation for Advanced Super View display. The important characteristic of this display is that it offers excellent viewing angles and competes with the In-Plane Switching (IPS) LCDs. You can find this display in theMeizu MX.
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
Phorgasmic said:
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
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All good. I shall be getting the ZL as soon as it hits Canada in April. The screen easily destroys the one on my x10a, and that is all that matters to me.
Phorgasmic said:
yea sorry i sounded a bit harsh, my Z arrives today and the discussion about the display here just got me..
had a S2 for a year now, lets see how the switch will be cant wait to get home to my phone today in a few hours!!!!
sorry for OT
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Hi! If you don't mind could you try installing this software on your Xperia Z?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netmanslab.sa&hl=en
And see if you can fix the saturation like they say.
If you can then I can confirm that the issue is within the ROM it is using and not in the display nor the gamma values defined on the kernel.
vivftp said:
All good. I shall be getting the ZL as soon as it hits Canada in April. The screen easily destroys the one on my x10a, and that is all that matters to me.
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Same with me I wouldn't exchange the IR Blaster, smaller size, comfortable back portion, Cool notification lights, Dedicated Camera Button, higher battery capacity(even if it's way too little it's still higher)
over waterproofness & classy looks only.
Riyal said:
Same with me I wouldn't exchange the IR Blaster, smaller size, comfortable back portion, Cool notification lights, Dedicated Camera Button, higher battery capacity(even if it's way too little it's still higher)
over waterproofness & classy looks only.
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Well the only other thing the Z MIGHT possibly have over the ZL is drop test durability, but no way to know for certain until they're actually dropped. My guess is they will either be equal or the ZL will be better, but so far we've only seen the Z dropped and survive everytime just fine.
I do like the idea of the dock for the Z, but I can live without that. I do wonder if Sony will have a dock for the ZL too...
Welcome to the Nexus 6 Full Review Compilation Thread. Feel free to post links to missing reviews and they will get added as I can get to it. Special thanks to xda member shah_vm for collecting a bunch into one place to make this easier!
Mobile Tech Review
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/Nexus-6.htm
The WireCutter Review
http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/bes...d-phone/#nexus
Yahoo Tech Review
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/there-are-big-phones-and-then-there-102401634039.html
GStyleMag Review(from our own xda member JMillion!)
http://gstylemag.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/
Techcrunch Review
http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review-a-big-beautiful-cumbersome-beast/
Android Authority Review
http://youtu.be/zCYMABjCt3c
Android Police Review
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/
PhoneArena Review
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Google-Nexus-6-Review_id3852
Wall Street Journal Review
http://online.wsj.com/articles/nexu...-youre-going-to-need-a-bigger-hand-1415815359
Mashable Review
http://mashable.com/2014/11/12/google-nexus-6-review/
CNet Review
http://www.cnet.com/products/google-nexus-6/
Gigaom Review
https://gigaom.com/2014/11/12/nexus...t-similar-to-motorolas-other-flagship-phones/
The Street Review
http://www.thestreet.com/story/1295...t-android-phone-ever-if-you-can-find-one.html
Engadget Review
http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/
Venturebeat Review
http://venturebeat.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review-stop-the-screen-specs-madness/
Recode Review
http://recode.net/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review-a-sweet-treat-for-those-who-crave-big-phones/
IGN Review
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/12/google-nexus-6-review
Anandtech Review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/8687/the-nexus-6-review
BetaNews Review
http://betanews.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-vanilla-android-never-tasted-so-good-review/
The Verge Review
http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/12/7200705/nexus-6-review
Android Central Review
http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-6-review
BGR Review
http://bgr.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/
TechnoBuffalo Review
http://www.technobuffalo.com/reviews/nexus-6-review-a-delight-for-big-phone-fans/
ARS Technica Review
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014...e-premium-price-still-comes-with-compromises/
Gizmodo Review
http://gizmodo.com/nexus-6-review-its-time-to-go-big-1657839547
GottaBeMobile Review
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/
Liliputing Review
http://liliputing.com/2014/11/google-nexus-6-smartphone-review.html
GSMArena Review
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_nexus_6-review-1164.php
SlashGear Review
http://www.slashgear.com/nexus-6-review-you-want-to-lick-this-lollipop-12355150/
Forbes Review
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/11/12/nexus-6-review/?optimizely=b
The Guardian has a cliff notes synopsis of several of the reviews here if you want a quick overview:
http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...us-6-phone-review-roundup-massive-fast-pricey
I will try to add links to reviews as they populate this thread. If you have one not linked to here please PM me the link and I will update so people don't have to search the whole thread to find them. Thanks
Lets see if the embargo isnt pushed a week also..
Let me guess the verge review just for fun, since they gave n5 8.0 and 8.8 to the moto x and they called the best android phone.
Nexus 6 score= 8.5
Pros:
Premium feel
Lollipop is good
Camera is good
Cons:
Too big phablet to fit in your front pocket
No so good screen
No way to buy one at the moment of the review
Pros: only available to the Klingons as a cloaking device!
Cons: no humanoids allowed to have it!
2fastkuztoms said:
Lets see if the embargo isnt pushed a week also..
Let me guess the verge review just for fun, since they gave n5 8.0 and 8.8 to the moto x and they called the best android phone.
Nexus 6 score= 8.5
Pros:
Premium feel
Lollipop is good
Camera is good
Cons:
Too big phablet to fit in your front pocket
No so good screen
No way to buy one at the moment of the review
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No this would be the verge rating:
Pros:
Big screen
Cons:
Not an iPhone
Not made by Apple
Doesn't have an Apple logo
6/10
mk92595 said:
No this would be the verge rating:
Pros:
Big screen
Cons:
Not an iPhone
Not made by Apple
Doesnt have an Apple logo
6/10
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You left one:
Doesnt work with iwatch
I really really think that nexus 6 will get a 9 (or close 8.8/8.9) from verge and 90 from engadget. They're iVerge, i admit but don't lie. They exaggerate that's all
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No this would be the verge rating:
Pros:
Big screen
Cons:
Not an iPhone
Not made by Apple
Doesn't have an Apple logo
6/10
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Hhahaha, love it! Freakin iVerge
plasmastate said:
I really really think that nexus 6 will get a 9 (or close 8.8/8.9) from verge and 90 from engadget. They're iVerge, i admit but don't lie. They exaggerate that's all
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Not much difference between lying and exaggerating. iVerge is correct and I wouldn't look to them for a review on anything.
mk92595 said:
No this would be the verge rating:
Pros:
Big screen
Cons:
Not an iPhone
Not made by Apple
Doesn't have an Apple logo
6/10
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Joshnor713 said:
Hhahaha, love it! Freakin iVerge
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LMAO!!! its funny bc its true..
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I really really think that nexus 6 will get a 9 (or close 8.8/8.9) from verge and 90 from engadget. They're iVerge, i admit but don't lie. They exaggerate that's all
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http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/11/motorola-droid-turbo-review/ got a 90 today so unless there are surprises the Nexus 6 should score higher based on lack of exclusivity, its dual front facing stereo speakers, Android L, design closer to a larger Moto X but with a smaller battery than Turbo & they may not detract for the lower pixel density..
Motorola Droid Turbo
PROS
Long battery life
Attractive Quad HD screen
Powerful performance
Camera a clear improvement over the Moto X's
CONS
Less charming design than the Moto X
No expandable memory
It's exclusive to Verizon
SUMMARY
While it lacks the style and charm of the 2014 Moto X, the Droid Turbo is a powerhouse that manages to outperform its relative in nearly every way that matters. Sadly, it's a Verizon exclusive so the rest of you (unless you live in Brazil and Mexico and buy a Moto Maxx) need not apply..
The Moto X and the Droid Turbo both sport 5.2-inch AMOLED screens, but that's where the similarities end (much to the chagrin of X owners, I'd wager). That's because the panel Motorola used on the Turbo runs at Quad HD (or 2,560 x 1,440, if you haven't already committed it to memory), making it one of the most pixel-dense displays you'll find on a smartphone. The effect, as you'd imagine, is pretty stunning. Your stories, your videos, your apps; they're going to look just lovely. That said, a screen like this will make you all too aware that the internet is peppered with low-res images and icons, so be ready to shield your eyes whenever you come across them. Skype is a good example of this visual discrepancy in action: Your messages will look crisp, while emoticons will be tiny since they're so low-res.
At some point, though, you've got to wonder when (or even if) enough will be enough. Do all those extra pixels crammed into each linear inch really make a difference? We're getting to the point where the inability to distinguish one pixel from another is just a given, so all the other factors suddenly become more important. The Turbo's Super AMOLED panel, for instance, can oscillate between bright, punchy colors and sumptuous blacks. The downside is that images and video take on a slightly warm cast (Sutton Foster look distinctly tanned in one of my test videos), which won't be everyone's cup of tea. Viewing angles are solid too, if not the best I've come across, and even at maximum brightness, the Turbo's screen still doesn't light up the night with quite the same vigor as the Moto X.
Ah, but here's the rub! That screen might lend itself well to your video collection, but the single-speaker setup isn't going to thrill you. Frankly, this part's a little frustrating -- even the budget-priced Moto G has a pair of front-facing speakers, while the clearly higher-end Turbo has to make do with one less driver. The end result is audio that's plenty loud, but cramped and muddy, without much distinction between channels. That's not to say the speaker's bad, per se; it's on par with most of the speakers in other smartphones, which is to say they get the job done and don't aspire to much more. Keep a pair of headphones handy and you'll never have to worry about it..
The Droid Turbo is frustrating. It's objectively better than the Moto X in most of the ways that matter: Its battery is tremendous (if not as amazing as Verizon claims); the screen is lovely; and the camera is actually worth using. Some might say this is the phone the Moto X should've been in the first place, and I can't argue with that. Still, as ridiculous as it sounds, the Turbo is severely lacking in the charm that made the X so pleasant, and that shouldn't be discounted. Go to a store. Play with both. You'll see what I mean. The fact that only Verizon customers can currently buy such a great phone doesn't help matters either.
Here's what it boils down to: The Droid Turbo is an undeniably great device and probably the best carrier-exclusive phone since the days of, well, the original Motorola Droid. It won't win any awards for design or sound quality, but that won't make anyone who already bought a Moto X feel better.
Full at: http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/11/motorola-droid-turbo-review/
Who cares what the Verge says? I only read to their articles to see the very small nitpicks that other sites usually miss but they are pretty biased towards Apple. I'm looking forward to reviews by AndroidPolice, AndroidAuthority, MKBHD, Anandtech, MobileTechReview and TheDetroitBorg.
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Who cares what the Verge says? I only read to their articles to see the very small nitpicks that other sites usually miss but they are pretty biased towards Apple. I'm looking forward to reviews by AndroidPolice, AndroidAuthority, MKBHD, Anandtech, MobileTechReview and TheDetroitBorg.
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These are some great ones for sure!
Joshnor713 said:
Hhahaha, love it! Freakin iVerge
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Lw00d said:
LMAO!!! its funny bc its true..
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Lol their Nexus 9 review is ridiculious. They mentioned the iPad 26 times
msal said:
Who cares what the Verge says? I only read to their articles to see the very small nitpicks that other sites usually miss but they are pretty biased towards Apple. I'm looking forward to reviews by AndroidPolice, AndroidAuthority, MKBHD, Anandtech, MobileTechReview and TheDetroitBorg.
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AndroidPolice, AndroidAuthority, MKBHD (great 4K videos), Anandtech, MobileTechReview (good long videos) do tend to go much more in depth including the YouTube channels linked (though never heard of TheDetroitBorg).. I also check out https://www.youtube.com/user/jon4lakers/videos even though they luv Apple & don't go as in depth as they used to..
I do like the increasing well lighted 4K video reviews (or at least 1080p).. expect more soon at https://www.youtube.com/results?lclk=today&filters=today&search_query=nexus+6:good:
If someone took an iPhone and painted over the fruit logo and gave it to Verge for review, they'd find a way to slam it. Least objective and most biased site out there. I still can't get over how they said the Note 4 was too big, yet the iPhone 6+ which is bigger with a smaller screen was said to be easier to hold. The site is a total joke.
Sadly one of the best sites, AnandTech, also lost its objectivity when Anand joined Apple and long before that, they were also Apple biased.
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AndroidPolice, AndroidAuthority, MKBHD (great 4K videos), Anandtech, MobileTechReview (good long videos) do tend to go much more in depth including the YouTube channels linked (though never heard of TheDetroitBorg).. I also check out https://www.youtube.com/user/jon4lakers/videos even though they luv Apple & don't go as in depth as they used to..
I do like the increasing well lighted 4K video reviews (or at least 1080p).. expect more soon at https://www.youtube.com/results?lclk=today&filters=today&search_query=nexus+6:good:
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DetroitBorg is an Apple user but his reviews are very informative, he goes in-depth and his videos just look great. Top notch reviewer imo.
Anyone know if there is a time expiration for the embargo or just date? If date we could see something in the next 20 minutes or so.
Alex Maxham seems to have jumped the gun a bit with a poorly lighted 3:48 min:sec "review" (briefly compares to Note4 toward end with audible speakers albeit just annoying notification sounds)
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https://www.youtube.com/results?lclk=hour&search_query=nexus+6&filters=hour&spfreload=10
Why did Google require reviewers that already have the device wait till the 12th before releasing a review?
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Why did Google require reviewers that already have the device wait till the 12th before releasing a review?
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Because that was supposed to be the "release" date, when they set the NDA to end.
Well we all know Asus tries it best to give us the best
They have won many hearts and shown their true potential by launching a phone like zenfone 2
I am very impressed by the phone overall but underwhelmed by the battery and camera
We can hope that the next zenfone might sport something even better and still be priced economically
My wishlist is-
1. Amazing front firing speakers
Well everyone wants awesome speakers and ones who have used nexus 6p, motos
They have awesome loudness and clarity but their pricing made me not buy them , i want asus to place powerful speakers and DAC in the next phone
2. Metal or glass
Say, no to leather and plastic ... We do not want dated materials we want is the new style every company is shifting to metal(except samsung, and i do not want to talk about that **** also)
3. Camera
Asus believes in camera able to see even in dark but what it gave in zenny was under the expectations and below the standards we were made to believe in , nexus 6p and Lg v10 rule in low light shots
Please upgrade camera hardware and software , we believe in u asus u will do it
4. Battery
Its needless to say you are the best in charging tech and beat most of the flagships ??
But what needs to be improved is battery capacity and optimization to software
5. Display
Please bring in amoled , it does not matter whether it is 1080p or QHD all matters is quality even mate 8 is running 1080p display and competes well with every flagship
QHD needs a lot juice and would drain battery like hell unless amoled and dark ui is used
6. Software
Asus your zenui is way better than most of the ui's and i love it more than anything except i prefer stock in terms of looks for which i ended up using action launcher and xposed to change the status bar
Please implement an option to choose stock ui over zenui (only for notification panle and status bar and launcher and everything should be same)
Also improve theme engine to allow third party themes
Thats it folks please comment suggestions for the next zenfone , hope asus gets inspired and turn up implementing them
Everything you said, yes please.
So what do you think about SoC, should ASUS stay with intel?
Pretty 1337 specs for the next Zenfone! A brighter, more vivid IPS display would do for me. I'm quite torn about amoled screens at it tends to degrade and lose color overtime. If that's fixed, then amoled all the way!
My take on the "next Zenfone" is not a replacement, but more of an addition. Something like Sony's compact series. Basically a compact version of whatever Zenfone 3 would be. Heck even a compact Zenfone 2 would be nice! Though I have a ZE551ML, I'm pretty much a fan of small, compact phones. It has that "feels good" feel on my hand. Don't get me wrong though, I love my Zenfone!
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Everything you said, yes please.
So what do you think about SoC, should ASUS stay with intel?
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Well that matters on which chipset they will use, intel has an array of SOCs to use for smartphone like the newest one is intel atom x3,x5 and x7
X5 is used in mi pad 2 and it works very well antutu-100000 approx
If asus uses x7 then it should be better and almost near the flagship standard at least if it crosses the 100k mark and uses good GPU too! Cuz, power vr is not able to render 4k nor is strong enough like adreno and mali 880.
Well QC 820 is the best chipset to pace bet on or else intel
But, NO MEDIATEK OR NVIDIA
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Well that matters on which chipset they will use, intel has an array of SOCs to use for smartphone like the newest one is intel atom x3,x5 and x7
X5 is used in mi pad 2 and it works very well antutu-100000 approx
If asus uses x7 then it should be better and almost near the flagship standard at least if it crosses the 100k mark and uses good GPU too! Cuz, power vr is not able to render 4k nor is strong enough like adreno and mali 880.
Well QC 820 is the best chipset to pace bet on or else intel
But, NO MEDIATEK OR NVIDIA
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intel atom x is for tablets, lets hope they release newer one for mobiles
or i think Asus will go to mediatek or snapdragon
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back in September Intel was testing Core M for mobiles, i hope it will be good enough to announce it in MWC
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Everything you said, yes please.
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No they should move away from Intel and go with the Snapdragon 810 Processor
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No they should move away from Intel and go with the Snapdragon 810 Processor
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Seriously?? ?
AL_IRAQI said:
intel atom x is for tablets, lets hope they release newer one for mobiles
or i think Asus will go to mediatek or snapdragon
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back in September Intel was testing Core M for mobiles, i hope it will be good enough to announce it in MWC
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Thanks for the info..... now my expectations to see intel is way too low..... But still only mtk helio x20 or QC 820
Will be worth it
Good Lord I hope they never go to Mediatek
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Thanks for the info..... now my expectations to see intel is way too low..... But still only mtk helio x20 or QC 820
Will be worth it
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They never used high end cpu, i think they will go with 808
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Before I start, I have a question. What Xposed module did you install to change the status bar?
I'm quite happy with my Zenfone 2, I payed $400 AUD for it, and considering something like the Nexus 5x is nearly $700 here I think I it's amazing for the price. Obviously to reach that price they had to make some sacrifices.
Speakers:
The speakers weren't the best but I mostly use earphones and when I do use the speakers its fine. Though with the next Zenfone they could move the speaker to the front under the capacitive buttons.
Camera:
The camera is really good in good lighting but horrible in low light, that is something they need to improve on.
Display:
AMOLED, PLEASE.
Battery:
Here we go, this is probably the most controversial of them all. Some people say the battery life is great, others say is garbage. I personally blame 5.0 and Zenui, but hopefully they can make battery consistent across the board.
Software:
Asus needs to scrap Zenui, it's ugly, outdated, and downright rubbish. The first thing I did with my Zenfone was install SuperZen and Nova Launcher, I still wish I could change to 5.1 but I don't want to go with something like CM12.0 because it still has signs of bugs. Asus should be doing what Oppo has done with 'Project Spectrum' and release an optional near AOSP rom with no rubbish thrown in. If I had the money I would of gone with a Nexus. Nothing beats the buttery smoothness of Stock Android.
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Before I start, I have a question. What Xposed module did you install to change the status bar?
I'm quite happy with my Zenfone 2, I payed $400 AUD for it, and considering something like the Nexus 5x is nearly $700 here I think I it's amazing for the price. Obviously to reach that price they had to make some sacrifices.
Speakers:
The speakers weren't the best but I mostly use earphones and when I do use the speakers its fine. Though with the next Zenfone they could move the speaker to the front under the capacitive buttons.
Camera:
The camera is really good in good lighting but horrible in low light, that is something they need to improve on.
Display:
AMOLED, PLEASE.
Battery:
Here we go, this is probably the most controversial of them all. Some people say the battery life is great, others say is garbage. I personally blame 5.0 and Zenui, but hopefully they can make battery consistent across the board.
Software:
Asus needs to scrap Zenui, it's ugly, outdated, and downright rubbish. The first thing I did with my Zenfone was install SuperZen and Nova Launcher, I still wish I could change to 5.1 but I don't want to go with something like CM12.0 because it still has signs of bugs. Asus should be doing what Oppo has done with 'Project Spectrum' and release an optional near AOSP rom with no rubbish thrown in. If I had the money I would of gone with a Nexus. Nothing beats the buttery smoothness of Stock Android.
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I won't recommend xposed as it makes the phone slow at least for me, but still if you want to use then go for xstana.
Just remember... More features, better hardware means higher cost.
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Everything you said, yes please.
So what do you think about SoC, should ASUS stay with intel?
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NO! A Big No for that!!!
very bad WiFi performance. comparing with my GTab 3.80 and S6e, with the same router and internet provider, my ZenFone perform worst.
very bad GSM performance. lost signal happen a lot.
very bad battery performance.
Mine is good at all of those,
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barometric pressure sensor (nice for pilots)
phone charm loop hole (nice for girlies to attach helloyKittyThingies and for pilots/outdoor-users to secure phone on the gear)
integrated pen
illuminated buttons (with possibility to use backlight notifications)
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Ever heard of xiaomi ; it defies higher cost for better hardware ?
Hi guys,
currently im looking for a new device to replace my old Nexus5.
I'm often on the road and use the phone for music and navigation and
the device should last one whole day with heavy usage. Also the camera
should produce decent pictures at daylight (and at night if possible).
I dont play any games on my phone but use many apps. The gps
should work quite good cause I'd use my phone for bike trips etc. as well
and need the tracking of my route.
Budget
- 200€ +-
Must Haves
- 5"-6"
- EU-LTE frequences with B20
- 64GB
- fast fingerprint sensor
- good camera (day n night)
- quality processing
Nice2Have
- USB-C
- protection against splash water
- micro-sim slot
- bezel-less design
Not rly important
- headphone jack
My favorites
1. Elephone S8
2. Vernee Mix 2
3. Doogee Mix 2
4. Umidigi S2
5. Xiaomi Mi A1
There would be no problem if the MiA1 would have the battery of the umidigi and the design of the elephone. But at the moment I have no idea which phone to take.
there isnt much information about the doogee mix2 but if this device would have a decent camera sensor with a functional bouquet mode I'd take this.
Are there any alternatives in this price range (+50€ maybe)?
If you have to decide between those phones, which one you would take and why?
Are there any points of criticism for those brands or phones?
Hope this is the correct forum.
Thanks for your help,
Cheerio
I have had an elephone p6000 and a umi super in the past, I can not really recommend some of these companies (also based on some of your requirements)
Elephone: This company has not been providing good software support in the past. They provided a few updates then abandoned the device in favour of the next one. The camera wasn't too great either despite being advertised as a quality sensor with decent resolution for the time (not top tier, but higher than other phones in the same budget range) - but it made acceptable shots. So I had about 6 months of software support and during that time the low build quality showed itself as the volume rocker started to get flakey. When I was looking to get a new phone, the Elephone S8 was also in my list of possible candidates but for me imediatelly lost out due to it not sporting a 3.5mm headphone jack (you don't mind, though) or a microSD card slot (I am not entirely sure if that's what you meant when you said micro-sim as pretty much every device nowadays will sport a micro or nano sim slot anyways)
UMIDIGI: Now, the build quality of my phone wasn't perfect from the beginning, there were rough edges around the antenna lines but all in all the device felt solid. They supported the device for about 12 months with updates which didn't seem too bad to me. However, the phone had a major drawback: Despite allegedly sporting a 13Mp panasonic sensor, the camera was *horrible*. All over the review sites you found people claiming the camera was decent, but it was not., it would only work in bright light and if it wasn't ideal you could not actually make out anything on the pictures. And, as it turned out, the build quality of the device was not only mediocre on the outside, but obviously even worse on the inside as my screen failed electronically after about 12 months. I have seen a few other people with the same issue on the Super and I have already seen one report on the UMIDIGI S2 forums with people having the exact same fault after 2 weeks with their S2. So be careful if you decide to get one of those. Reports on the internet also mention that the camera on the S2 is horrible. Now I can't confirm this, but to me it seems that UMIDIGI is always hyping their cameras and can't deliver.
Either way, I'd recommend to get a device with a Qualcomm chipset (snapdragon) over a Mediatek chipset (Helio) as Mediatek doesn't release their sourcecode most of the time which results in little to no support for custom roms but that's something you have to decide.
I can't really say much about the Vernee or Dogee devices but on german forums I have found a few mentions that Vernee quality can be hit and miss as well.
wow thank you very much for your interesting and helpflu answer. I also read realy bad reviews about the brands especially about the early products but cherished the hope that they improved the quality of the newer devices.
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microSD card slot (I am not entirely sure if that's what you meant when you said micro-sim as pretty much every device nowadays will sport a micro or nano sim slot anyways).
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Oh sure, I thought about the microSD-slot.
Localhorst86 said:
When I was looking to get a new phone, the Elephone S8 was also in my list of possible candidates but for me imediatelly lost out due to it not sporting a 3.5mm headphone jack (you don't mind, though) or a microSD card slot
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So if you could ignore these points would you still mention to buy the phone or did the company lost all his credit with you?
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UMIDIGI [....] Despite allegedly sporting a 13Mp panasonic sensor, the camera was *horrible*. All over the review sites you found people claiming the camera was decent, but it was not., it would only work in bright light and if it wasn't ideal you could not actually make out anything on the pictures. [...] Reports on the internet also mention that the camera on the S2 is horrible. Now I can't confirm this, but to me it seems that UMIDIGI is always hyping their cameras and can't deliver.
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I guess it's the same with the S2. I've watched several reviews on youtube or elsewhere and the pictures don't impress me much. The IMX268 is way better than the sensor in the Super but still not as good as the sensor of the Mi A1 (in my opinion).
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And, as it turned out, the build quality of the device was not only mediocre on the outside, but obviously even worse on the inside as my screen failed electronically after about 12 months. I have seen a few other people with the same issue on the Super and I have already seen one report on the UMIDIGI S2 forums with people having the exact same fault after 2 weeks with their S2. So be careful if you decide to get one of those.
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Thanks for that point. I havn't heard about this yet.
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Either way, I'd recommend to get a device with a Qualcomm chipset (snapdragon) over a Mediatek chipset (Helio) as Mediatek doesn't release their sourcecode most of the time which results in little to no support for custom roms but that's something you have to decide.
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Can you recommend a device? The Mi A1 or something else?
I would definitely go with Mi A1 because of the support (either official ones or custom ROMs when kernel source gets released to public) and it has everything you listed it should have.
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So if you could ignore these points would you still mention to buy the phone or did the company lost all his credit with you?
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If the Mi A1 hadn't been announced around the same time for the price that it did I might have given the Elephone brand another chance to see if they treat their flagships a bit better than their "budget" line.
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I guess it's the same with the S2. I've watched several reviews on youtube or elsewhere and the pictures don't impress me much. The IMX268 is way better than the sensor in the Super but still not as good as the sensor of the Mi A1 (in my opinion).
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Comparing the Mi A1 to my Super is a difference like day and night. The Mi A1 makes really good pictures, particularly compared to the UMI Super
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Can you recommend a device? The Mi A1 or something else?
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Obviously, the Mi A1 would be the one I'd recommend but I might be biased since that's the one my decission fell to. I was looking for one of the "tri-bezeless" phones as well, but none fit my needs. To me the A1 was pretty much the perfect fit for my needs.
Here's the points that drove me towards the Mi A1:
-I have had good experiences with other xiaomi branded products in the past, from my mi band to the xiaomi piston headphones and powebanks. Their build quality seems solid so I figured I'd try one of their "more pricey" product ranges
-USB Type C Connection
-Micro SD Slot
-Full HD Display (a few of the phones with slim to no bezels only had a 720p display like, for example, the UMIDIGI S2)
-Snapdragon Chipset
-Android One UI (prefer that over MIUI, which I tried on my Elephone in the past)
-Promised support for 18 months which, given the xiaomi brand, I feel confident will actually come to fruition
-3.5mm headphone jack without a clunky, losable adapter.
-decent camera that takes good pictures
Based on your list, the Mi A1 seems like a very good fit, too. It has all your must-haves and two of your "nice-to-haves" (USB C and Micro SD). The camera quality might be subjective, but I find the camera to be rather good, particularly at the price point the device sells for.
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Obviously, the Mi A1 would be the one I'd recommend but I might be biased since that's the one my decission fell to. I was looking for one of the "tri-bezeless" phones as well, but none fit my needs. To me the A1 was pretty much the perfect fit for my needs.
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I guess I will wait for some reviews of the Doogee but if a good offer for the MiA1 will occure in this period I'll buy this phone as well.
How long lasts the battery with heavy usage?
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I guess I will wait for some reviews of the Doogee but if a good offer for the MiA1 will occure in this period I'll buy this phone as well.
How long lasts the battery with heavy usage?
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As usage always varies from user to user, you might want to check the "real life reviews" part of the mi a1 forums, there's a topic about battery life. Now for me, I have taken the device off the charger about 6 hours ago and my battery is down to 88%. I am not a heavy user, bluetooth is enabled permanently, and I was checking emails and messages a few times per hour. No huge screen-on-time, though.
The battery was the one thing I was worried about (coming from the 4000mAh in my UMI device), but it turns out the 3000mAh battery of the A1 performs about the same as my previous phone due to the chipset seemingly being more power efficient.
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As usage always varies from user to user, you might want to check the "real life reviews" part of the mi a1 forums, there's a topic about battery life. Now for me, I have taken the device off the charger about 6 hours ago and my battery is down to 88%. I am not a heavy user, bluetooth is enabled permanently, and I was checking emails and messages a few times per hour. No huge screen-on-time, though.The battery was the one thing I was worried about (coming from the 4000mAh in my UMI device), but it turns out the 3000mAh battery of the A1 performs about the same as my previous phone due to the chipset seemingly being more power efficient.
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Sounds really nice. Did you read something about the Meizu M6? I guess its nearly as good as the MiA1 with a bigger battery.
Nevertheless I tend to buy the MiA1 and a small powerbank because it seems to be superior to the M6 in nearly every other point.
Thank you very much for your qualified help, I really appreciate that.
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Sounds really nice. Did you read something about the Meizu M6? I guess its nearly as good as the MiA1 with a bigger battery.
Nevertheless I tend to buy the MiA1 and a small powerbank because it seems to be superior to the M6 in nearly every other point.
Thank you very much for your qualified help, I really appreciate that.
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I just checked the Meizu M6, doesn't really seem like a comparison to the Mi A1. The devices are very similar in terms of performance but the 4Gb/64Gb version of the Meizu seems to run well above $300, only the 3/32Gb version seems to be in the price range you mentioned. A short review I found in german mentions that the cameras are pretty much on par with the A1 actually the review notes that the A1 has a better daylight perfomance on the camera, with night shots on the Meizu are apparently a lot better. Also the larger battery capacity sounds interesting.
Overall it sounds like a possible alternative, but it wouldn't convince me. The Flyme UI looks similarly clunky to MIUI, judging from screenshots and I can't understand why they decided to go with a weird camera setup (12Mp + 5Mp dual rear camera, 16Mp front camera). I guess it's intended for selfie lovers. Again, it depends on your use case apparently
What do you expect from the upcoming OPPO Find X5 Pro?
ColorOS 12 gave me some throttling in games (on my OnePlus 9 Pro), so unless they corrected that behavior with a recent update, I'm definitely not waiting the best results on that side.
As for the privacy... ColorOS is asking for so many access to your data... Well, I'm not blind enough to not suspect it isn't the more privacy oriented device.
Battery performance will be very depending on the Mediatek 9000's optimisation.
And for the pictures side, definitely its most promising features, as we have the Hasselblad partnership coupled with their MariSilicon chip. Wait and see, as they say.
I expect the UK market to be forgotten for updates
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I expect the UK market to be forgotten for updates
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Aren't UK updates official versions instead of the beta version other regions get first?
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ColorOS 12 gave me some throttling in games (on my OnePlus 9 Pro), so unless they corrected that behavior with a recent update, I'm definitely not waiting the best results on that side.
As for the privacy... ColorOS is asking for so many access to your data... Well, I'm not blind enough to not suspect it isn't the more privacy oriented device.
Battery performance will be very depending on the Mediatek 9000's optimisation.
And for the pictures side, definitely its most promising features, as we have the Hasselblad partnership coupled with their MariSilicon chip. Wait and see, as they say.
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It's the Hasselblad partnership for me TBH. I have yet to see images highlighting these vs the Find X3 Pro.
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It's the Hasselblad partnership for me TBH. I have yet to see images highlighting these vs the Find X3 Pro.
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Think that the part being praised from Google is the software treatment, so if they manage to fine tune that point with help of Hasselblad, and get some AI processing with the MariSilicon chip, they could achieve nicer results.
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