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Ok, so I'm not anywhere near the kind of programmer to be able to do this, since I pretty much just know basic, and a tiny bit of ANSI C, but I'm a Wallaby user, and would love to run Linux on my phone as my primary OS, but, as you all know, its far from usable on the Wallaby...
If the ARM processor supports virtualization, couldn't someone who's a much better coder than me write a virtual machine to run Linux on some more of these unsupported phones? I know its a bit on the "ugly hack" side, but it would give more people more freedom of choice.
It seems to me that it should be possible to emulate some already-known versions of the parts in the phone (such as lcd, gsm, usb, sd/mmc, etc) and just control the real thing through the windows api.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that this could be an excellent way to make Linux work reliably on MOST windows mobile phones, at least until real compatibility is achieved. I know that it would be slower than the real thing, but hey, its better than nothing!
Under powered by far!
Virtual machines are highly inefficent methods of running code, especially for what you are proposing.
Think how slow the Java VM is for running even the most basic of Apps.
Now, you may point out that Xen and the like run virtual machines inside Linux - however these have to be specifically compiled for the hardware... which brings us write back to the problem we started with - Linux wont compile properly for the smart phone hardware.
Perhaps a more attractive solution is to look at porting Cygwin and all the Xcygwin tools to windows mobile. Again I have no real idea of how practical this is!
jummama said:
I'm a Wallaby user, and would love to run Linux on my phone as my primary OS, but, as you all know, its far from usable on the Wallaby...
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Wallaby is full of custom ASICs. Given the limited number of developers it's simply not worth investing time.
Otherwise, there is not techinical reason why Linux will not tun on Wallaby.
Ah well, just thought I'd throw it out there.. see what you all think of it. I just figured that it could be done at a reasonable speed, after seeing what virtual pc and vmware do on the pc, but maybe not. But yeah, what about the porting of cygwin to windows mobile? That seems to me like it would be quite a reasonable solution for a lot of phones.
Hi folks
Recenty I got the Windows XP Embedded kit, and I was really satisfied and surprised with the performance of the directly built system on an old machine like a P1 @ 200 MHz with 64 MB of RAM, without a hard disk.
The main goal would be to run truly win32 apps on mobile devices, to give better functionality and compatibility.
Yet the builder supports x86 architecture only, but cannot be a big problem to port it to ARM pocessors.
What might be difficult are these things:
-Getting win32 drivers for built-in devices (ex. integrated SDIO/USB WLAN, BT adapter, touchscreen, and sound devices, and apps for them!)
-Saving user data on turning off (Ebmedded systems are designed for a workstation, like a cash register: prebuilt apps, and nothing more comfort ) like WM200x
If anybody has any suggestion are to get a warm welcome
bye
Yet the builder supports x86 architecture only, but cannot be a big problem to port it to ARM pocessors.
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Are you kidding me?
This would mean reverse engineering and recompiling every binary in the OS.
Do you have any idea how many hours something like that would take?
yup, you're right, but in theory it's possibe. I've seen a running DOS on a Microchip micro-controller, or for example the Atmel STK 1000 is Linux based, also seen an mPlayer app operational on the demo board at the college.
as you see, i'm not an experienced programmer, but i'm not afraid to ask
Yeah, the basic low-level binaries must be recompiled, and once it's ok, it might be usable with regular win32 apps, until you run an old DOS app, wich directly access the hardware.
A few years ago i was able to port Z80 software to 8086, and it wasn't easy.
I don't really know these things, just want to see opinions, possibilities, and suggestions.
exe files are binarys which are instructions directly for the cpu
it's not parsed by the operating system
so compiling the os is not enough every application needs to be recompiled too
The programs you mentioned have source available in one way or another (since DOS is very old there are clones, like freeDOS).
If you have the full source for an app and the right compiler, porting it to another CPU is feasible.
But, this is not the case with embedded XP. Getting the full source is impossible which means most of the system will have to be rewritten from scratch.
Just look at the Wine project to see what it takes, and they "have it easy" - they are just trying to simulate the APIs not change processor architecture. (Lets make it clear - ARM instruction set is very different from x86).
And as Rudegar said it will not let you run any program that has not been specially compiled for ARM CPU.
I know it sounds like we are trying to kill you idea here but its nothing personal, unfortunately it just isn't feasible. We would all like to be able to run desktop apps on our devices, but simply having embedded XP on them would not accomplish that. Also while many old DOS apps can be run using various emulators like pocketDOS, almost all Win32 apps take more resources than our little gadgets can offer.
I am fairly sure though that in 5 -10 years that problem will be fixed.
<_< man hours or not, reveng'ing this will have a bigger impact than just winDOS Mobile devices. Desktops have a use for this, definitely (because the Vista-Only crap is starting to hit the market). Too bad they don't provide assembly in programming classes anymore, obviously because they don't want anyone else to reverse engineer anything and spoil their foisting fun. <_<
In any case, IIRC XP Embedded is missing the install/uninstall engine, so you can't customize it after it's flashed onto the board. This isn't quite a good start - XPLite or 98Lite are better for reverse engineering from scratch (but they're too powerful for mobile devices).
The other alternative is porting ReactOS, which is a reimplementation of W2K. Those guys are "having a lot of fun" getting things to work, tho. <_<
Maybye Windows CE6 yes, but Windows XP Embedded no, because they must run at 686-AT/X platform IMB. Sorry of my English
linux would be a path
with most linux programs you can compile them yourself
using good old
./configure
make
make install
of cause gui programs could have issues displaying correct
on such a small screen
You MIGHT be able to pull it off by installing a minimal (very!) WinMo firmware and then have it autorun Bochs, which is known to be able to run the PC version of XP.. A customised, thinned-down XPe image should run fine under Bochs.
--W5i2
Hi, as your intro video states, "im a noob"
Well actually im a noob studying engineering (cant be very good for the industry!) and as part of my course I need to be able to program Java applications and PIC microcontrollers. Obviously android isnt suited for such things so im very interested in a dual boot with linux/ubuntu.
I'd like to ask if anyone else has used their transformer running ubuntu/linux for java programming (eclipse?) and PIC programming (MPLAB X?). And also if anybodys used a Pickit 3 with their transformer for debugging?
As far as I can tell, this should be possible since both these requirements require java and can be done on ubuntu/linux. from searching i can see people have got ubuntu natively working on the transformer, and the "Linux for Tegra" looks promising too. Anybody else with experience?
Thanks in advance
I just bought one because I want to take 3D pics again like my old Evo3D and, well, RHOs are dirt cheap.
When I try to get my pics off the device there's nothing but 2D jpeg files. Is there any application that will natively let me view these as layers or in some sort of SBS manner?
I've read that the other "panels" of the image are stored in the jpeg metadata. Does anyone know if that's true? (I'll peek later when I've got time) If so, and if there's no existing application, I'd love to write one for Windows at least for myself.
Small update, I have a very preliminary application which inspects the files but I'm just not finding the right data for the alternate images. I can see the main image's jpeg data and a 2nd set of Jpeg tags in some of the files, but so far they've all been thumbnails. (I'm sure EVERYONE is waiting with baited breath for my progress reports, heh.)
I am actually really interested in this. It would be great to be able to put put to a 3d file system that could be used on a projector etc. Since alot of the things in the hydrogen network were not shot on the hydrogen and we're converted ( if you look at the release date you can tell there was no hydrogen in 2007) it seems like somoneware someone knows how to convert normal things to show on the screen going backwards should be easy. ( Should be no idea how to do it myself ) Instagram phariss_design
Hi ... this is a little late and I may not have it down pat... but I have some data. I bought a new RHO cheap...and it has not come yet... but I have been researching things.
I found a post on YouTube...
Michael Johnston
1 year ago
3840x2160 are the largest dimensions. To upload h4v video to YouTube like this you just change the file name from .h4v to .sbs as far as still images go I am not sure if that is possible. The h4v format works with a specific screen made by a company called Leia. It uses nanoparticles somehow and without the screen you don't get the effect. Of course the screen technology is not specific to hydrogen, it seems Leia wants to make it available more widely. The Hydrogen One is just the first device to employ it.
This allows you to upload a side-by-side video. Also, there are 2 video streams that are combined to make the 3D video that results. These videos however are not simply 2 streams... they are basically 4 streams with 2 more streams being interpolated from the existing 2 streams.... this is to support the Leia light filed display and the way it works.
Obviously, a developer somewhere has the software to convert content... but with the RHO being abandonware... both as hardware and software... chances are good that we will never see this software for purchase or release. It is industrial Movie publication type software I am sure... and I would not have any idea where to even get it.
The programs in the RHO... the ones for downloading games and such ... are supposedly still open... at least the game one... but the sharing aspect I hear is kaput! I see that Leia does have ... if you are a developer... a beta software that you can get that transfers between formats into their Lightfield sharing site. I think you have to be a developer...and it will be commercial software as well... in terms of being a development tool. It is called "Lightfield Studio"...
Lightfield Studio - Developer Docs
Bring your videos to life by converting them into Lightfield videos optimized for LitByLeia devices.
docs.leialoft.com
I think it goes both ways.... MP4 to the MP4 H4V variant... and then back to normal video.
Lightfield Studio: Beta Version has three core features:
Orbital Content Conversion
Stereo Content Conversion
2D Content Conversion
Input Filetypes Supported:
3D SBS MP4: A 3D video in an SBS format appended with _2x1.mp4 at the end of the filename.
H4V: A file extension used in the RED ecosystem for 3D video files.
Export Filetype:
Quad Lightfield: Your converted output file will be an MP4 video in the Quad 4V Lightfield format, with _2x2.mp4 appended to the end of the filename.
For pictures and videos that you want to share as H4V check out the beta software "Lightfield Image Tools".
H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One
arch Hare Software Ltd. 85-87 Bayham Street Camden Town, London, NW1 0AG, United Kingdom
March Hare Software LLC. 200 Broadhollow Road, Suite 207, Melville, NY 11747, United States
March Hare Software UG. Europadamm 4, 41460 Neuss, Germany
March Hare Pty Ltd. PO Box 139 Narrabeen, NSW 2101, Australia
email [email protected]
It will populate the metadata on your exported H4V clips and will also add a watermark. It will output your 3D pics... as one image with side-by-side.
This is beta software...and runs under MacOS. For now it is command line driven... and it is beta. I don't know if this software will ever come out of beta or not. It would be nice if the author is able to do it. He says he will sell this software to others when it is done.
The magic behind the H4V format is hooked to the RHO screen by Leia. Without the physics of the display... you cannot directly output the file to a projector. If you can convert it to a SBS image then you can process it to the red/blue 3-D glasses and you could probably have some type of 3D presentation. Those types of glasses are available in plastic... and you don't have to have a cheap cardboard pair from a cheesy 1950's movie.
I am not an expert on this subject matter but I still have a first generation Lytro Lightfield camera.... and I still use it. I just wish that there was a way to convert those lotto images to the RHO format. Ah well, the Lytro software will export I think into 3D -Glasses type output...and that Leia software... seems to be able to take the SBS format and put it into the RHO format. Oh, that Leia software... they are developing it for Windows AND MacOS.
Hopefully I have been helpful. If you learn anything about this... hit me up... or for that matter ... IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE READ THIS... hit me up ;-)
I heard from the developer who is writing the software "H4V Image Tools". Information: H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One. He is really nice. I told him that people are desperately looking for something that will convert one format … the H4V format… into some other 3D format and back and that I was looking for something to convert photos from the old Lytro Lightfield camera into a Red Hydrogen One picture format.
An excerpt from his e-mails is below:
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Yes, we’re still developing H4VAPP!
It’s a bit of a “side project” so it tends to get the schedule pushed around.
For regular updates, please follow us on Facebook:
H4V Image Tools
H4V Image Tools. 71 likes. H4VAPP is a tool that bulk converts Lightfield images (aka Leia Image Format or H4V images, e.g.: from Hydrogen One). The app may also be used with MPO files and images...
www.facebook.com
But I did update the license and add a requested feature back in November 2020, and I hope to make more progress in February 2021.
Due to the retirement of the RED Hydrogen One and the H4V file type, there is some re-branding also going on, and a new web site coming. Of course the product will be the same, and still support all the old file types.
H4VAPP already does what you describe.
It converts H4V format into Side-by-Side or separate L/R. It’ll also extract MPO’s. If there is a depth map it extracts that too. You can use the same command to convert side-by-side to H4V, though strictly speaking this is not necessary because the hydrogen and Leia hardware all read SBS OK. The Twin cameras on the H1 and LumePad hardware don’t include a ToF sensor, so there is no hardware based depth map. Any depth map from a LumePad or H1 is algorithmically derived from the SBS images. So therefore the depth map can be derived again from the SBS image. i.e.: the SBS image is the basis for everything else.
The very next thing I want to do is create MPO’s (aka Fuji) as an output format, since I think that’s considered a bit of a “standard” in the 3D world.
I guess in theory it should be possible to generate a depth map from a Lytro image and attach it to an image and you could then view that on Hydrogen or Leia hardware. It’s not a substitute for side-by-side. As I described above, without a ‘Right’ image, the H1/LumePad hardware is going to struggle. But with a single image and a depth map (aka iPhone/Google Phone) the Leia desktop software should be able to generate an H4V from it....
I would like to be able to generate iPhone compatible ‘portrait’/3D images from H4V. This would be a pre-requisite to doing anything with the Lytro AFAICT (see above).
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I am going to send him some "actual" Lytro Lightfield images taken with my camera. He said that demo images provided by a manufacturer are often slightly different than what the device actually produces. In the meantime, I am going to play around with his beta software and determine what is in the realm of possibility. The best thing is that the developer is working on the software still. The last part is obviously the Mac interface... but he is trying to get the functionality down pat first... the interface is the easy part. LOL.
Anyway... hopefully if you are reading this you will try the software and see if it fits your needs. More good news is that the developer says that "Any depth map from a LumePad or H1 is algorithmically derived from the SBS images. So therefore the depth map can be derived again from the SBS image. i.e.: the SBS image is the basis for everything else". I think I misspoke earlier in the post... I talked about 4 streams ... I think a better description is that you have 2 streams with the 2 other views decoded algorithmically as the file is decoded for play. Sorry for that distinction... but I think that is more correct... as the Red Hydrogen One uses 4V ... V as in views... for the Leia Lightfield display.
Hope this helps. I am going to determine for myself what my experience is with the phone when it arrives.
Any questions about my post, hit me up. ;-)
At the risk of writing a 3rd post in as many days, I wanted to let you know that there are programs out there that will convert "normal" videos into an SBS (Side-By-Side) format (or even "Anaglyph" format.
The SBS format is typically a Virtual Reality Format. The Anaglyph format uses the old red/cyan 3D glasses like the old style 3D movies you would watch years ago. I have a nice pair of Anaglyph plastic glasses I bought on Amazon. They are not expensive. YouTube also has a lot of both VR (SBS) and Anaglyph formatted videos.
So, the Holy Grail of this post... how to get normal movies converted to be able to be seen on the Red Hydrogen One? Most people think that you have to have a video file in the H4v format so that it can be played on the RHO. That is one way. This is where the beta software from H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One comes in. You can convert SBS video into H4V video using this program. I know I will buy it when it comes out of Beta.
More simple an easier is to just use the .SBS file. The RHO software can consume .SBS files directly without conversion. If you do convert a .SBS file to an MP4 file, you must append the file name with "_2x1" and us an extension of ".mp4". If you don't append that on the file name then the RHO player won't parse it correctly and recognize it for what it is.
I sent the H4V Image Tools developer a bunch of files... including the "living Image File" for a picture taken with my Lytro camera. he now has those and may be able to work some of those formats into his tool.
As an aside, I found a wonderful program that converts regular images into SBS files and Anaglyph files. The name of the software is "VideoSolo Video Converter Ultimate". I bought it for the Mac but they have a version for Windows. I paid $39.95 for it and I think it performs very well and is worth the money. You can use a NLE like Davinci Resolve or some other program to make SBS files, but this program does a wide range of file types, etc.
Check out the user guide at: User Guide: https://www.videosolo.com/video-converter-ultimate/user-guide.html
Anyway... I think I have pretty much added my two cents worth so to speak. Hopefully you have found my posts on this subject interesting.
Good luck...and keep enjoying your own content, etc. on the Red Hydrogen One. ;-)
TheMactrix said:
Hi ... this is a little late and I may not have it down pat... but I have some data. I bought a new RHO cheap...and it has not come yet... but I have been researching things.
I found a post on YouTube...
Michael Johnston
1 year ago
3840x2160 are the largest dimensions. To upload h4v video to YouTube like this you just change the file name from .h4v to .sbs as far as still images go I am not sure if that is possible. The h4v format works with a specific screen made by a company called Leia. It uses nanoparticles somehow and without the screen you don't get the effect. Of course the screen technology is not specific to hydrogen, it seems Leia wants to make it available more widely. The Hydrogen One is just the first device to employ it.
This allows you to upload a side-by-side video. Also, there are 2 video streams that are combined to make the 3D video that results. These videos however are not simply 2 streams... they are basically 4 streams with 2 more streams being interpolated from the existing 2 streams.... this is to support the Leia light filed display and the way it works.
Obviously, a developer somewhere has the software to convert content... but with the RHO being abandonware... both as hardware and software... chances are good that we will never see this software for purchase or release. It is industrial Movie publication type software I am sure... and I would not have any idea where to even get it.
The programs in the RHO... the ones for downloading games and such ... are supposedly still open... at least the game one... but the sharing aspect I hear is kaput! I see that Leia does have ... if you are a developer... a beta software that you can get that transfers between formats into their Lightfield sharing site. I think you have to be a developer...and it will be commercial software as well... in terms of being a development tool. It is called "Lightfield Studio"...
Lightfield Studio - Developer Docs
Bring your videos to life by converting them into Lightfield videos optimized for LitByLeia devices.
docs.leialoft.com
I think it goes both ways.... MP4 to the MP4 H4V variant... and then back to normal video.
Lightfield Studio: Beta Version has three core features:
Orbital Content Conversion
Stereo Content Conversion
2D Content Conversion
Input Filetypes Supported:
3D SBS MP4: A 3D video in an SBS format appended with _2x1.mp4 at the end of the filename.
H4V: A file extension used in the RED ecosystem for 3D video files.
Export Filetype:
Quad Lightfield: Your converted output file will be an MP4 video in the Quad 4V Lightfield format, with _2x2.mp4 appended to the end of the filename.
For pictures and videos that you want to share as H4V check out the beta software "Lightfield Image Tools".
H4V Image tools for RED Hydrogen One
arch Hare Software Ltd. 85-87 Bayham Street Camden Town, London, NW1 0AG, United Kingdom
March Hare Software LLC. 200 Broadhollow Road, Suite 207, Melville, NY 11747, United States
March Hare Software UG. Europadamm 4, 41460 Neuss, Germany
March Hare Pty Ltd. PO Box 139 Narrabeen, NSW 2101, Australia
email [email protected]
It will populate the metadata on your exported H4V clips and will also add a watermark. It will output your 3D pics... as one image with side-by-side.
This is beta software...and runs under MacOS. For now it is command line driven... and it is beta. I don't know if this software will ever come out of beta or not. It would be nice if the author is able to do it. He says he will sell this software to others when it is done.
The magic behind the H4V format is hooked to the RHO screen by Leia. Without the physics of the display... you cannot directly output the file to a projector. If you can convert it to a SBS image then you can process it to the red/blue 3-D glasses and you could probably have some type of 3D presentation. Those types of glasses are available in plastic... and you don't have to have a cheap cardboard pair from a cheesy 1950's movie.
I am not an expert on this subject matter but I still have a first generation Lytro Lightfield camera.... and I still use it. I just wish that there was a way to convert those lotto images to the RHO format. Ah well, the Lytro software will export I think into 3D -Glasses type output...and that Leia software... seems to be able to take the SBS format and put it into the RHO format. Oh, that Leia software... they are developing it for Windows AND MacOS.
Hopefully I have been helpful. If you learn anything about this... hit me up... or for that matter ... IF ANY OF YOU OUT THERE READ THIS... hit me up ;-)
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You don't need to be a developer to use the lightfield studio Software. It is Beta software though, but the folks over at H4Vuser.net the Hydrogen (H4V) Content - Free Platform ... that has technical folks who worked on the hardware... as well as people like you and me.... indicate that this software was the software that was used to convert 2D content into 3D content for RHO consumption. If you have questions about the RHO, I suggest you go to this link and see what answers are there for you. Better yet, you could join the site.
we have the best online destination for converting your 2D and 3D images. also, 3d movie conversion and 3d movies are all gets high demand. but don't good application for converting 2d to 3d movies perfectly. The creation of stereoscopic images from monocular photographs do it difficult. my friend all are doing manually 3d movie conversion. i asked to many people about the 3d movie conversion app. but did not get useful answers.so I ask you all who know the best 3d movie conversion app? suggest here
I've looked around on stack overflow and other places trying to find answers. I have software I want to install on my phone so I can more easily chat, send files, links, etc. on LANs that I work within throughout my day. This program works well for me: https://www.beebeep.net/download
I can use this on my windows and linux boxes. I want to integrate my phones into this communications array.
I'm looking at the snapcraft or any of the other linux variants. I can't figure out how to run a linux app on droid.
I can ssh through the terminal and so on. I can perform other functions that one normally does in BASH though now that I think of it, I haven't tried crontab. Anyway, how could I get this BeeBeep script to work on my android? Can anyone help solve this problem?
I have not seen anything on this, but very interested in this Linux development...
I did see an XDA section for only Ubuntu Touch...
I don't know about direct onto android but apparently it can be done to Chromebooks and I know that android apps can be converted to work on Chromebooks too so perhaps it can be reversed?
https://www.androidcentral.com/how-install-linux-apps-your-chromebook
So basically if an app could be converted to work on a Chromebook could it then be further converted to work on Android?
Seems like a long shot but you never know.
I've seen Windows apps / games work on Android, I've had Wolfenstein, quake arena and doom 3 ports on my phone so I would assume that Linux being a much closer cousin to Android would be an easier chore.
What you need is a framework to do the work for you, not to emulate but to directly port..
Can't find much online but I think if you dig enough you may find something
Certainly interesting though, best of luck pal.
If I find something, I'll post in development. This is a backburner project, but clearly it's one I need to take on myself. Thanx for your responses.