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How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
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bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
manuelcalavera said:
bigger screen does not need better hardware , its just bigger pixels that need better battery capacity
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Its not only bigger screen... its also bigger resolution (By 25%)...
If its another type of screen, it could even have better performance at less ennergy consumption
Great video tough i can't undestand that language either.
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos? Remember the great deception that the Kaiser was.. and I still I'm not over it..
But If it is like my Diamond, will be superb!
However, the screen is bigger, and will require more from the hardware.
Here is a link for a video and in the last minute (8:40) where he runs CorePlayer and watches House.S05E01 - (will it be HDTV.XviD ??)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-OT4wr_E5ZkQ/htc_touch_hd/R/efp_video
If someone could translate that part would be great.
Thanks
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I don't understand what you mean.
the maximum of vids you can play (or lets say that the screen will show you) is ofcourse its own resolution. So you will not see real HD videos as this screen has not got a real HD resolution. But its own resolution is no problem for the CPU. Playing a movie with a bigger size, will just downscale the video to the resoultion of the HD but as there is more data to process, it may slow the CPU more down, depending of how big the movie is. but you would not want to play a 1080p video on this anyway as it would just use up huge amount of storage space, but doesn't look better. You will get the best and sharpest images if you convert your movies to the exact resolution of the screen.
Oh I understood your point, cause you probably use PocketDivXEncoder..
I was just comparing with HTC Kaiser.. On videos as well as other stuff, it sucked.
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
donbronzi said:
This is an important question.
That linked video showing house didn't look very smooth, i was hoping for better playback quality than that. Was it the HD, coreplayer orthe video conversion that made it stutter a little?
Does any one know of any other exmples of the HD video playback? HTC say that its makes it closer to watching the cinema on a mobile, is this statement going to be true?
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i cant imagine that the HD as any problem with videos. It often just highly depends on the play. Windows media play is crap in playing videos most of the time. But even my old Compaq Ipaq could play videos very smooth.
Some players are faster then others.
language is czech
I thought it was Czech!!
But can you translate that part?
I think that it isn't very fluid the streaming..
Sometimes we notice some delays.. On my Diamond I can see it too..
atomikpt said:
How do you think HD will be playing HD videos?
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to answer the original question, no it will not be able to play HD videos.
HD by definition is at least 720p, that's 720p or 1080p by today's market distribution, may be later on, there will be some weird resolution at 960p or something like that. but right now HD video are only available in 720p or 1080p
1. the video chip is not powerful enough to decode HD content,
2. windows mobile 6 doesn't support HD content
3. Touch HD only has screen resolution of 800x640, again far from HD
4. CPU isn't power enough to decode HD content (even a full desktop/laptop 500 MHz cpu isn't enough to decode, let alone a stripped down mobile cpu.)
im sure that this "HD" will have some serious problems on playing good resolution videos ...
man , qualcomm's 528 Mhz is the CPU of htc diamond, and they let that beast to have this heart on his chest ! its not fair
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=3fAROWXVQiw&feature=related
Look at 7 min, he shows a youtube movie wvga quality. It doesn't play very smooth either. Let's hope its because of a bad connection or something.
And lets not forget that the units floating around as preview units did carry unfinished ROM and early-stage drivers
Lucas0511 said:
I might complain that the HD does not have a flash, or little base memory - but not being able to play HD video - come on guys, dream on
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oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
buggybug0 said:
oh i totally agree, i dont expect it to play HD videos, as long as it play good videos at a decent framerate. but i can see how the name is misleading some novice users to think it can play HD files.
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it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic.
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i am thinking of the OP's original question "can HD play HD videos" of course i understand the resolution of this phone and the video it will play.
so i dont know what you are thinking posting without reading the entire thread.
my post, which you quoted was wishing for playing good video at a decent frame rate. sure you can play videos on your 6 year old ppc, but try play, say a jet li movie on there, all his actions are a blur because the framerate isn't fast enough to capture all his kungfu actions. dido for sports videos. you understand now?
and if you are confused regarding why the OP want to watch and HD video on a non HD display, well i can tell you it is possible to put a video with higher resolution on a device which lower resolution display. it will just be upto that CPU to decode and shrink the video. suuurree, it doens't make sense, but it's do-able.. uptill a certain point (resolution), above which it will be too heavy and too much work for the CPU. and if you want to ask why, well i'm guessing 1. the OP was mislead by the phone's name Touch HD, 2. he may not have the time or software or doesn't want to reprocess the movies to 800x480.
and if you are still confused after reading all that.. well... ummm... LOL
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem. and as i said before, even my 6 years old pocket pc could do so. and it woulkd make no sense if you would try to play a video with a higher resolution. as the screen will still only be able to show you 480*800 pixels. ofcourse, if you are talking about play real HD videos, than ofcourse i can tell you it may have probleems doing so. but it makes no sence even trying to do so.
So, take every video you have got and convert it to 480*800 and thats it.
ps: about the youtube video beeing a little choppy:
ofcourse it is, its a youtube video... and on that, it is beeing streamed!! from the net and for that, it runs very well. that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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Aye but i'd love to seen a flawless WGVA streaming video....
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that has nothing to do with the cpu. its only streaming.
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technically i disagree, but from a practical standpoint, sure, i'll go with that. those net videos doesn't require much processing power to decode, very little load on cpu.
Raziel1 said:
it will play videos of its own resolution ofcourse, what are you thinking? i don't understand this topic. it has a 480*800 screen and will ofcourse be able to play videos at that size with no problem.
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Traditionally speaking, all HTC devices have very poor video playback .
Till the latest batch of VGA Devices (Diamond and Touch Pro) which i have no access to and hence cannot comment upon, all previous VGA devices had problem playing back video ENCODED AT THERE NATIVE RESOLUTION. (for reference, have a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324371&highlight=video)
the best i could manage was a 532x300 xvid with a bitrate of 800-1200.
so it will be a very pleasant surprise if the HD can playback video encoded at 640x480 leave alone 800x480.
On a side note, since HD will be pretty similar to the Diamond / Touch Pro , you could probably ask your friends to run a benchmark with different resolutions and bitrates.
One of the earlier videos of the TG01 demoed a 3D globe that the user was able to manipulate, rotate and zoom in and out.
Is this down loadable and does it work on the HD2?
Any other good 3d demos?
Bump, there must be something out there??
Hey people, i was wondering since HTC are going to update the HTC Desire with 720p recording in the future via an update. HTC HD2 has the same camera why cant we have an update????
and by the way dont start using because windows mobile 6.5 doesnt allow it blah blah blah......
ps just recieved an update read below....
Dear Yus,
Thank you for contacting us. In regards to updates on the HD2 I can help you with that. No updates are planned at this time to enable HD Recording. The hardware may not even be compatible. The only official information on updates is on our website www.htc.com/support We cannot comment on what is seen on the internet as this is not official HTC published content. I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required.
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Philip
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its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
josemedina1983 said:
its hard the hardware its capable of doing it software might not be. Windows Mobile its old and a bit dusty. Im pretty sure theirs a way but HTC dont care the HD2 its like the last strong windows Mobile device standing. HTC are putting their effort to android and windows 7.
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^^Hey, I know you!
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It might be plausible to enable the HD recording in the future, but I know WinMo is incapable of supporting HD recording. You'll never know, maybe something miraculous will happen and this might work!
However, at least it's nice to get pics at higher resolutions than 5mp. There's a tweak here, if you didn't know.
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
ilijan said:
its not hardware problem... but the winmo 6.5 dont support hd recording...
show me one win mo 6.5 device with HD recording...
its support only android or difrend os...
so maybe in the final android port can hd2record high definition...
but maybe not
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Yeah, and I'm thinking Microsoft might work on fixing that in WP7 and completely ignore WM6.5.x.
Hopefully the devs get that to work. The TP2's Android port still doesn't have camera support and the port's been around since December.
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
guys if wm6.5 dont support 720p rec
ok how about 720x480 or WVGA like samsung omnia ii ?
something better than nothing
Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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look at the nexus one
scrizz said:
look at the nexus one
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Can you confirm to use that the camera in the Nexus One and HD2 are identical?
im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
Euroman28 said:
Lets ask another question has anybody here been able to prove that our beloved HD2 supports 720p recording hardware-wise? And if yes its just a software/driver issue thats keeping us from recording at 720p?
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well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
See i'm kinda holding back from buying one of those mini HD camcorders because im certain someone can create a break through with the HD2's camera. saves me taking two devices everywhere just for the camera, when the HD2's camera seems more than capable.
I've not been on the forum long so can someone explain the process that could make this work? Im aware of the WM 6.5 limitations, has anybody got a solid port to android or WM7 yet...?
Dani01c said:
well, ive tried lol but not successful, camera shuts down everytime i try it, but i can record on WVGA(800x480) plus a bit smoother frame rate than normal HD2
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How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
I don't see how the OS has anything to do with the resolution that the camera can capture at. The limitation is probably in the firmware (in the camera module), camera module driver, or the camera software. Could also be a hardware issue with whatever bus interface is between the camera module and the HD2, it could be a standard USB bus which would have the bandwidth for HD video, or it could be something proprietary with a low bitrate that wouldn't handle the bandwidth of a 720p/24/30 real time video stream. The bus could be a real issue, notice how some of the 1st camera phones that could do 720p were 720p/24. 720p/24 is a lower bitrate than the 720p/30 more common now
I do know that I have gotten my HD2 to capture WVGA video in one of the android builds. I never took the time to evaluate if it was capturing a true pixel per pixel WVGA image, or if it was really capturing a VGA image and then either zooming or stretching it to WVGA in software
chrisrj28 said:
How are you recording in WVGA? I know the Android Camcorder app does but I have never heard of the WinMo recorder going beyond VGA
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I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
juiceppc said:
I'd like to know as well. I'm more interested in doing widescreen video recording natively. When I run android it does it. How can we do this on the WinMo side? It's not HD just widescreen...
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Its quite possible that android is still recording VGA mode and then just cropping off the top and bottom, basically leaving you with 640x360 effective pixels.
We need someone that knows the android cam software that can tell us exactly what its doing, or someone to do a resolution test recording a pattern to measure the recorded resolution
well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
bronx said:
well... actually You are wrong. some android builds ARE capable of recording 800 x 480 videos. what more, those are being recorded flawlessly, no frame drops or stuttering.
I believe that I have recorded those with mattc rom.
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but is it really true 800x480 pixels or the 640x360 upscaled to fill out 800x480? only true way to test is to use a resolution pattern
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/How-We-Test-Camcorders-36180.htm
I am pretty sure that the HD2 has a 4:3 not a 16:9 sensor for the camera. this would explain why we loose resolution when the still camera is put into wide mode. it takes the 4:3 5mpixel image and chops the top and bottom off to make it "widescreen"
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im pretty sure its 720p recording will be possible in thw android port, but because WM6.5 is well old and sucky (or ancient if you dont like to call it sucky)... it wont be possible in it, but hopefully it will be possible in WP7... and i belive android devs said it will be possible in android but thats when its fully ported of course...
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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hey guys so after looking into this a little bit more i have found a few odd solutions but a resurfacing of one of the hd2's faults. i have been able to play high res .mp4 movies in the htc video player no problem. it was designed to fit the series of images best to the screen it is given(just to point out the obvious). now due to the fixed screen res on the device, the MOST your going to get out of any video that you watch is 480x800. the program is just running a data summary per pixel when dealing with a pixle count higher than 480. its the same (or similar) process as to when you you choose full screen or wide screen on the device to play movies. you are not getting true pixel to pixel data play back (unless you record with the phone camera at 480p or convert a movie to EXACTLY 480x whatever. which btw does not matter.) with that being said, the htc video play supports a vast amount of resolutions including 720p .mp4. (you guys have made a mountain out of an ant hill) yes i do understand different res vids also have various bit rate and playback qualities, but the best thing to do for that is download chainfires 3d drivers and manually clock your processor to 998Mhz. rendering becomes seamless at that point. so to end one vicious cycle, yes, you can play 720p videos on your hd2 just make sure its the propper file type. now back to the other issue... 720p RECORDING. absolutely the phone can handle it! its a matter of opening an additional camera function to the htc camera. easier said than done. the general idea is changing a value within either the firmware or through the registry for you input image pixle count. for ex:
blah 12031029 blah 2398x1098
blah 239840923
blah blah blah 90238942
bada bing pixel count per image 480x640 <= we need a way to edit this.
or in a reg directory
blah1/YOUR MOM/HTC CAMERA/CAMCORDER/INPUT VALUE/-_-X-_-
SO basically the sooner we can figure a way to change these values (i know its SUPER SIMPLIFIED) the closer we are to getting 720p recording on the hd2...... so yea ..... WHOS WITH ME!?! and if you have any ideas on how to please add to the brainstorming!
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i'm wit u 100%
Hi,
Did anyone here managed to play HD videos of 1080p or 720p format? I only managed to play 360p on my phone.
Not possible..Im mean they will play in Rockplayer 1.5.5 ARm6...but will lag sufficiently and not allow you to enjoy movie smoothly...
I think about 620 p should be fine in Rockplayer..or yxplayer...not above that..you will have to resize them...
Even 720p is quite laggy with rock player. Processor is just not fast enough
Why would you want to when the screen doesn't have the resolution to show any difference?
bullchicken said:
Why would you want to when the screen doesn't have the resolution to show any difference?
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@bullchicken: it's just that my friends had gave me lots of 1080p HD MVs but I couldn't played it. He is able to play all HD videos in his Samsung Galaxy though. Maybe you're right due to legend processor limitation but i'm wondering if there is any customized/tweaked ROM which able to support it.
hello, someone can said to me if the shield Tv is compatible with blueray ( in avi format) 3D ? it's for project on a 3d DLP projector
thank you very much