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Until a few days ago we'd heard surprisingly little about the Galaxy Note, a handset rumored to be launching alongside the Galaxy Tab 7.7 and Wave 3 at IFA. It's ironic, really, because of all the phones to have kept a low profile, this is a memorable one. Behold, a 5.3-inch handset with a stowaway pen for note-taking, drawing and grabbing screen captures. In other words, a Dell Streak-esque hunk of a device that blurs the lines between phone and tablet. You're looking at a Gingerbread-running HSPA+ handset with a 1280 x 800 Super AMOLED display, dual 8MP and 2MP cameras, a removable 2,500mAh battery and the same Samsung-made dual-core 1.4GHz processor you'll find in the just-announced Galaxy Tab 7.7. For a phone this gargantuan, it's actually quite thin at light, at 9.65mm (0.38 inches) thick and a reasonable 178 grams (6.3 ounces). We had a few minutes to handle the phone in advance of today's press conference, and found it surprisingly easy to grip, even in our small hands. As with the Infuse 4G --whose own 4.5-inch screen once seemed impossibly sprawling -- the thin shape makes it tenable, as does the lightweight, textured plastic lining the back.
As you'd expect, Android 2.3 comes layered with TouchWiz on top and, in this case, seven home screens and a touch-optimized interface dubbed "S Pen" designed to take advantage of that pen. These include S Planner, a native calendar and to-do list app, from which you can drag and drop appointments, changing time slots without having to open an entry. S Memo for note-taking, meanwhile, accepts voice, photo, text and handwritten input. We also got a quick glimpse of Virtual Whiteboard, a more collaborative form of note-taking. On top of that, Samsung says it's releasing the S Pen SDK to third-party developers, and the company's banking on more apps for organizing photos and drawing, among other things. For now, this is merely a global launch: Samsung says it's still in discussions with carriers worldwide, so depending on your neck of the woods it might be awhile before you hear anything definitive about pricing or availability. Find the some fancy press shots (and a promo vid) after the break, and stay tuned for our hands-on.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/01/samsung-galaxy-note-official-5-3-inch-super-amoled-display-s/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr3aDjjC-y0
This is my next phone... if it really becomes available.
Love it, I think. Was just gonna post the same link.
I wonder how the size of the overall device compares to our Streaks...
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This is great news. I like my streak but there are so many reasons to be excited for the samasung note. It trumps the dell in every way technically, definitely a superphone! Any info on release date or retail price? Hopefully, this is on T-Mob and there is a contract discount ^_^.
Could that be an optical scroll pad? That is unusual.
Nuthin' beats square inches.....
178 grams - pretty impressive.
Much uglier than the Streak, but if there
won't be any Opus One, I might go for it.
It also about the same thickness. I'm super stoked about the 1280x800 screen.
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Love it, I think. Was just gonna post the same link.
I wonder how the size of the overall device compares to our Streaks...
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I would prefer to have the same size of streak, it is exactly fit my pocket, however will wait to see if it is a slightly bigger I would go with it.
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178 grams - petty impressive.
Much uglier than the Streak, but if there
won't be any Opus One, I might go for it.
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I will never go for another Dell Mobile. In my point of view, Samsung the best ever mobile industry with their frequently support and updates.
This looks amazing!!! defo my next phone after the streak, think I might start saving for it now :-D
I'm really interested. Honestly, I'm pretty much checked out of ever owning another Dell product in general. I haven't seen quality from them in awhile, whether that be support (in most cases) or the actual device.
I'm setting my sights on getting a Samsung phone of one flavor or another very soon.
what really bothers me is the lack of LED notification lights. it's the thing I hate most on the streak and I'd hate alot to buy another phone with this very stupid flaw. and sammy is well known for this particular stupidity...
The only down side is the old pentile technology being used for the screen. Its dimension should be similar to streak due to the narrower edge.
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I would prefer to have the same size of streak, it is exactly fit my pocket, however will wait to see if it is a slightly bigger I would go with it.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4135&idPhone2=3353
I would definitely go for the Opus One if it actually exists, but until then this is first on my wish list...
Oh look samsung can do 850/900/1900/2100 on a single device, that's EU+US models combined on the streak. Why is it so uncommon?
It's only 3.9mm wider too, so 5.3 vs 5.0 isnt THAT bad.
Previously i wasnt interested in it as 5.0 is already large but 3.9mm doesnt sound that bad.
Might be a good full stop streak replacement, keep in mind hardware wise it's prob pretty similar to it's SGSII cousins and rom support >might< not be such an uphill struggle like with s5
Though the other specs isnt a fair comparison as it's a full year older, excluding your preference for samoled/pentile issues it's pretty much a straight upgrade to s5 it seems. basically what we expect from opus one without having dell screw it up (does having another manufactor design/build/release your phone for your count? )
1280x800 on 5.3"? that by itself sounds crazy, that's 284dpi, even with the wonkiness of amoled -> pixel count that's a lot
New Samsung Fanboy!
Never really got into the Samsung gear, BUT THIS!
They answered our prayers!
OK, I do wish it was LCD instead of AMOLED so I don't have to use black themes to save battery and avoid burn-ins. That's prolly one of my biggest problem wth Samsung, their fixation with the AMOLED screens.
this is slightly interesting, but what lcd density will they have to run on this thing 140? oww my eyes...!
So it's actually SHORTER than the streak? I have been hoping to get as close to the 5" screen as I could, but I never dreamed of getting bigger!
HTC better hurry, or this will be my Christmas present to myself!
If they market this thing half as well as the Galaxy Tab, it will be very popular! Then hopefully heads will roll @ Dell, cuz they invented the thing...
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Keep in mind the streak tapers off near the top and bottom, the new samsung doesnt, or rather it's less pronounced.
Think on the streak where it starts to curve and chop off that curving part at both ends and it's about the same size.
The important part is it's not massively wider, it's 0.3 inchs larger screen with only 0.15 inches wider. Unless you have very long fingers the streak is already hard to use one handed reaching for the far end.
4.5 is about as large as you can easily use one handed depending on the size of the bezel. The streak is by no means hard, it simply could be easier.
It's also strangely lighter, the streak is already deceptively light for it's weight (i dont know if it ACTUALLY is light for it's weight, but it feels plenty light) they coulda crammed in more battery and made it fatter, both phones are really thin for being so large
How about the 2500 mAh battery! That's bigger than the EXTENDED battery on my streak that makes it as thick as a brick!
The stylus seems a little goofy, but the the Streak is the first phone I've had in a long time that didn't have one. I wonder if that means that the screen will react to any touch?
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I also like that it's defaulted to portrait unlike the Streak.
The nicest phone I've ever seen!
Now that wide screen displays are used everywhere on TV, Laptop, Tablet (except Apple) then surely Apple made a blunder when they chose the almost square 4:3 aspect ratio on the iPad. Apple still calls the iPad screen wide screen in the specification (see ink) but it is not.
http://www.vexite.com/2012/ipad-resolution-7-good-reasons-buying-upgrading/
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Now that wide screen displays are used everywhere on TV, Laptop, Tablet (except Apple) then surely Apple made a blunder when they chose the almost square 4:3 aspect ratio on the iPad. Apple still calls the iPad screen wide screen in the specification (see ink) but it is not.
http://www.vexite.com/2012/ipad-resolution-7-good-reasons-buying-upgrading/
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Well, technical definitions aside, it's hard to call 3 million units sold in one weeked a "blunder".
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Well, technical definitions aside, it's hard to call 3 million units sold in one weeked a "blunder".
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Brain washing and herd instinct does funny things to people, but the iPad will eventually become wide screen, but it might take a while as it did with the TV.
To be fair, industry standards does not mean that said specific standard is actually superior. Granted almost very media source is now 16:9. Many standards are not quite the "best" possibility. I will say that I am not bothered by wide screen but the 4:3 tablet aspect has its own positives too.
Just to be clear, the Tab 7.7 (as with most android tablets) is not 16:9, its 1280x800 resolution is 8:5 or 16:10. It is still wider than the iPad relatively, but there is still some letterboxing when watching [Full]HD content.
Many users in the Windows tablet community lament about the changeover to 16:9. 4:3 is preferred because there is decent screen real estate in either "landscape" or "portrait mode".
Guess which ratio is closer to a standard sheet of paper? There's your answer.
To me, it all comes down to comfort. At 9 inch or more, the 4:3 aspect ratio is actually more comfortable to hold. In either orientation.
I tried the SGT 10.1 and it feels totally wrong. May be we are trained to size of a piece of paper. But I think it is the opposite. A4 and Letter size paper are their size and ratio because humans are most comfortable with it. That why Legal size paper is not popular
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To me, it all comes down to comfort. At 9 inch or more, the 4:3 aspect ratio is actually more comfortable to hold. In either orientation.
I tried the SGT 10.1 and it feels totally wrong. May be we are trained to size of a piece of paper. But I think it is the opposite. A4 and Letter size paper are their size and ratio because humans are most comfortable with it. That why Legal size paper is not popular
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The 7.7, with its 16:10 aspect ratio screen, is approximately A5 in size. There is no automatic inference from the aspect ratio of the screen to the aspect ration of the device as a whole.
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Many users in the Windows tablet community lament about the changeover to 16:9. 4:3 is preferred because there is decent screen real estate in either "landscape" or "portrait mode".
Guess which ratio is closer to a standard sheet of paper? There's your answer.
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On PC in landscape MsWord fit 2 pages nicely in 16:9, It is very useful when I translate something with source side by side. I'm loving it ^^
On 7.7 in portrait mode, I can view a lot websites in one page without sliding down (I prefer smaller text).
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The 7.7, with its 16:10 aspect ratio screen, is approximately A5 in size. There is no automatic inference from the aspect ratio of the screen to the aspect ration of the device as a whole.
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"I think" may be it is about our eyes viewing angles.
We use smaller or 4:3 screen in portrait while we use larger or 16:9,10 in landscape because our viewing angles cover more horizontal than vertical.
If you use large 16:9,10 screen in portrait you'll have to nod you head more often lol
I find the 4:3 aspect ratio better for everything else except movies.
Why all these apple threats here, this is the Galaxy tab 7.7 topic?
I'm not interested in apple, if so I would have bought one and go to the apple forum.
To be clear, everyone, the 7.7's aspect ratio is actually 16:10, not 16:9. 1280*800 resolution = a 1.6 ratio (16:10). 1280*720 resolution = 1.77777 ratio (16:9).
Now, having said that, factoring in the menu bar, your usable screen resolution is actually 1280*752 (in landscape) = 1.702 ratio or 80:47, or 800*1232 (in portrait) = 1.54 ratio or 77:50
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Why all these apple threats here, this is the Galaxy tab 7.7 topic?
I'm not interested in apple, if so I would have bought one and go to the apple forum.
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Yeah, there are some interesting comparisons to be had about the new iPad's display versus SAMOLED on the 7.7, but for the most part they are very different devices. I have both because I'm spoiled, and the 7.7 goes everywhere with me. I find myself reaching for my iPad at home for most things except ebooks.
Meanwhile, my poor "old" Galaxy 10.1 is just sitting on a desk not getting any love.
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On PC in landscape MsWord fit 2 pages nicely in 16:9, It is very useful when I translate something with source side by side. I'm loving it ^^
On 7.7 in portrait mode, I can view a lot websites in one page without sliding down (I prefer smaller text).
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"I think" may be it is about our eyes viewing angles.
We use smaller or 4:3 screen in portrait while we use larger or 16:9,10 in landscape because our viewing angles cover more horizontal than vertical.
If you use large 16:9,10 screen in portrait you'll have to nod you head more often lol
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Maybe. But the text block of a typical A4/letter page is closer to around 1.5:1 than the 1.33:1 (i.e., 4:3). And add in the bottom status bar, the 7.7 actually displays a typical A4/letter page for me quite comfortably. Especially when the text is zoomed to maximize the display (second pict). In fact, I am most comfortable reading in portrait on the 7.7. If I have a 16:10 screen as large as a real A4 page, I would still read in portrait mode--exactly as I would the A4 page itself. It's only when the screen is larger than that--e.g., my 1920x1200 24" monitor--that reading in portrait mode becomes less than ideal (though even then, a lot will depend on the angle and distance to the screen).
But to each his own, I suppose.
i have both a touchpad and a 7.7...the most use i get out of the 7.7 is netflix and honestly because of the 16:10, widescreen shows are ALMOST as large on the 7.7 as they are on the 4:3 9.7"...the thing is, the touchpad feels much too large to bring anywhere..so for people who watch videos (which should be everyone that uses the 7.7 because thats what it seems to have been made for), the aspect ratio argument comes right back to portability.
one thing is for certain though, anamorphic (2.35:1) theatrical movies look absolutely ridiculous on a touchpad/ipad
I find the aspect ratio of the 7.7 to be just fine and the 4:3 of the iPad not very good. In addition, the iPad is just too big for MY tastes. The next generation Android tablet had better move to higher resolution and when/if they do the resolution of choice, in my opinion, would be 1920x1200. 1900x1080 would be another option but I do think that ratio is getting a little bit too elongated, particularly if the side bezel is reduced relative to the top and bottom bezels.
I'm not really impressed with the unending fixation on making things thinner and thinner. The 7.7 is, in my view, too thin and if it were up to me I'd have made it about 1mm thicker and included an even bigger battery. I'd also have made the sides a little squarer with smaller bezel so that it would be even easier to hold by the side edges between your thumb and fourth and fifth fingers. I might also like to see what a rubberized band might do to help holding it.
For me, if you're going to carry something as big as the iPad then you might as well have a small laptop...
Brian
The goal on the 7.7 was to make it the most portable tablet.. adding more battery gives it more weight.
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The goal on the 7.7 was to make it the most portable tablet.. adding more battery gives it more weight.
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Yes, and they could have made it lighter by using a smaller battery. As I said, I think it's too thin and if it were about 1mm thicker with the sides less rounded and the side bezels smaller so the width is less it would be easier to hold even if it weighted a few grams more...
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it's a matter of taste. I came from the playbook, where the dimensions were the same (except thickness), and I actually enjoy the smaller size and weight.
of course, I have smaller hands so I can grip it easier...
The 7.7 is about 5.25 inch wide and if they had gone with smaller bezels on the side it could have been made less than 4.75 inch wide, maybe even 4.5 inch wide, and been even easier to hold by the side edges. But, the very thin and rounded sides actually make it harder to hold by the edges so making it a tad thicker and less rounded would, in my view, make it easier to hold by the edges.
As far as weight is concerned ... making it 0.5-0.75 inches narrower would likely offset the weight increase of the bigger battery and thicker package -- it might not weight any more than it does now...
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The story so far: I've had just about every Galaxy Tab 7" - from the Original, to the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, to the GT 7.7. I also have a Galaxy S3 and a Note 2. I love the Note 2 and when it was announced there would be a Note 8 I was excited that I'd be able to go to one device that was the 8" and have the phone capability that would work w/ my smartwatch and headset. They had to make a worthy successor to the 7.7, so I picked up the 8 the other week.
I am on the fence whether I keep the Note 8 or not - when I use my 7.7, I can't help but feel that the 8 could have been so much better.
That 7.7's Super AMOLED Plus screen has sex with my eyes, the Note 8 screen is ok, but it's strikingly obvious when you hold them side by side. Let's face it, on a tablet, the screen is a major factor of your experience/enjoyment and even though it would have been nice to have a higher resolution, I really miss the deep black for contrast to the vibrant popping colors. Also miss the battery savings from AMOLED when using dark backgrounds and UIs. Plus the 7.7 screen didn't have the pentile problems of other AMOLED screens.
The build quality, metal back, and thinness of the 7.7 was actually pretty nice for its generation. So many people overlooked it and now that Samsung has gone to the all plastic back like their phones it just feels less nice (not as important as I cover with a case anyway).
The 7.7 was just on the upper boundaries of fitting in some of my jacket/back pockets - the 8 definitely no longer fits in some of them and sort of hinders my use of being able to stick it in a pocket and not carry around a tablet bag (man purse).
What I was hoping for with the 8 was the current OS, stylus, HW guts of what they released but kept the build materials/quality and screen of the 7.7. Also wish they released the phone capable one on my carrier Verizon in the US - that would have been everything I wanted.
Has anyone else come from the 7.7 w/ the Super AMOLED Plus screen?
My path is 7.7->note 10.1->note 8
I agree the 7.7 display and build are at a higher level, but it also was very expensive +50% above note 8 here. The 10.1 and 8 have so many other features I don't mind the display regression.
Those 2 devices mixed would be an incredible device. If it had a good display (just equal the 7.7 even) and 3g/4g I'd sell my note 2 and be completely device satisfied.
I agree that the Tab 7.7 was/is a great device and display, and Samsung's best overall build-quality in a mobile device to this date. Unfortunately, Samsung priced it WAY out of the market to be considered by the general public and iPad users, and even very few of us geeks considered it because of the price alone. I also wish that they had the foresight to have slimmed down the long side bezels (like the iPad Mini) so that it would still fit in my pocket like the original Tab 7. At the time, the size and pocketability, and 3g/phone capabilities, were major advantages to me over the 9.7" iPads.
When the 7.7 came out I was ecstatic about the SA display and the build quality, but I was like, "Nooooooooooooooooo" when I found out the width and that it would no longer fit into my pockets. The original Tab 7 could and would go with me everywhere! The iPad 9.7 and Tab 7.7 would not.
Having used the Note 8.0, I agree about the display (as compared to the Tab 7.7), but it's not really that bad or noticeable unless you compare them side by side. You can also dim the screen on the Note 8.0 so it is barely lit for night viewing/reading in the dark. I also love the weight, balance, and bezels on the Note 8.0 because it is the most comfortable Tablet I've held to date. However, I would love to see how it feels (ergonomically) in hand and in day-to-day use with slimmer side bezels, so it might be possible to fit in my pockets!
I guess I don't think about price too much if the device meets my needs. I got the 7.7 for the same price I bought my Note 8 on a company discount, but there are still many people that think the $399 usd they want for the Note 8 is too high. There are rumors of a higher end successor to the 7.7, but without the stylus, I'm afraid I'd be again disappointed from having an "almost perfect" device.
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However, I would love to see how it feels (ergonomically) in hand and in day-to-day use with slimmer side bezels, so it might be possible fit in my pockets!
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Looked at the GN8 Wi-Fi today, and where my Galaxy Tab fit easily into my pockets, the GN8 just barely squeezed into it. Add a case and I doubt it will fit. Which is a big shame.
I do wish they had slimmed down the bezels. Doesn't really need to be so big =/
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I guess I don't think about price too much if the device meets my needs. I got the 7.7 for the same price I bought my Note 8 on a company discount, but there are still many people that think the $399 usd they want for the Note 8 is too high. There are rumors of a higher end successor to the 7.7, but without the stylus, I'm afraid I'd be again disappointed from having an "almost perfect" device.
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^Agreed. Personally, I don't think that the $399 price is too much for what the Note 8.0 WiFi offers. But I think in the general public's eyes, $399 IS too much. They don't understand the unique features, they just think, "it's an 8-inch tablet with a bunch of icons/apps" and they are probably more familiar with iOS apps.
First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.
$330 and $400 are a big difference in the consumer's mind. Again, they don't compare the unique features, they are both just 8" screens with icons. (We know know the real difference.)
I think $349.99 would have been the better price for the Note 8.0. It's still quite a bit below that psychological "$400" mark. And then people could rationalize that, "okay, I'll get a slightly sharper screen and a stylus for just $20 more than the iPad Mini. Cool." But then there's that build quality/premium feel of the iPad Mini. Is the S-Pen enough to make a difference? "Hell, the kids will probably just lose the stylus anyway!" So iPad Mini it is.
Unfortunately, at least in the stores, Samsung doesn't do a good job of making the unique features known.
Research shows that A LOT of people use their tablets while watching TV. If a store display (especially at Best Buy where they sell a boatload of HDTVs) demonstrated the Note 8.0 IR Blaster as the [email protected] Universal Remote that it is, I think that a lot of people would have that "Holy Sheit" moment..."this is awesome, we could get rid of all of our stupid remotes!"..."just wait 'til the guys see this at our next Monday Night Football GTG!" And how many of us have TVs in our bedroom, and also use our tablets to read while in bed? Just another use case scenario.
...anyway, I would LOVE to see a 1080P, non-pentile Super-AMOLED Plus display in a Note 8.0 with thinner side bezels! Samsung, are you listening?
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Looked at the GN8 Wi-Fi today, and where my Galaxy Tab fit easily into my pockets, the GN8 just barely squeezed into it. Add a case and I doubt it will fit. Which is a big shame.
I do wish they had slimmed down the bezels. Doesn't really need to be so big =/
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Yeah. Sorry, mate. It's frustrating because it just needs to be trimmed by 5mm or so.
I suspect the extra bezel all around is to fit more battery...which is important, but...
People, the bezel size is to combat erroneous touches while holding the device. Seriously, its one of the BIGGEST gripes about the iPad Mini, and I, for one, greatly welcome smartly sized bezels. There is literally no reason to slim the bezels on a tablet.
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^Agreed. Personally, I don't think that the $399 price is too much for what the Note 8.0 WiFi offers. But I think in the general public's eyes, $399 IS too much. They don't understand the unique features, they just think, "it's an 8-inch tablet with a bunch of icons/apps" and they are probably more familiar with iOS apps.
First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.
$330 and $400 are a big difference in the consumer's mind. Again, they don't compare the unique features, they are both just 8" screens with icons. (We know know the real difference.)
I think $349.99 would have been the better price for the Note 8.0. It's still quite a bit below that psychological "$400" mark. And then people could rationalize that, "okay, I'll get a slightly sharper screen and a stylus for just $20 more than the iPad Mini. Cool." But then there's that build quality/premium feel of the iPad Mini. Is the S-Pen enough to make a difference? "Hell, the kids will probably just lose the stylus anyway!" So iPad Mini it is.
Unfortunately, at least in the stores, Samsung doesn't do a good job of making the unique features known.
Research shows that A LOT of people use their tablets while watching TV. If a store display (especially at Best Buy where they sell a boatload of HDTVs) demonstrated the Note 8.0 IR Blaster as the [email protected] Universal Remote that it is, I think that a lot of people would have that "Holy Sheit" moment..."this is awesome, we could get rid of all of our stupid remotes!"..."just wait 'til the guys see this at our next Monday Night Football GTG!" And how many of us have TVs in our bedroom, and also use our tablets to read while in bed? Just another use case scenario.
...anyway, I would LOVE to see a 1080P, non-pentile Super-AMOLED Plus display in a Note 8.0 with thinner side bezels! Samsung, are you listening?
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Yeah. Sorry, mate. It's frustrating because it just needs to be trimmed by 5mm or so.
I suspect the extra bezel all around is to fit more battery...which is important, but...
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It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.
If Samsung wanted the make an Ipad mini competitor, they would have, but the Note 8 is in it's own category. As far as the price, you have no idea about the actual profit margins of the Note 8, so you can't possibly decide the appropriate price point.
To put it simply, if all you want is Youtube and Angry Birds, this tablet is not for you. This tablet is only for people who have use for the Wacom stylus and can justify the price point for it. It is not going to steal any sales away from the ipad and was never intended to.
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First thing they see when comparing at the store...the build quality compared to the lower priced iPad Mini. In their head..."why should I pay more for the 8-inch Hyundai when I can have a beautiful 8-inch Porsche for less?" The iPad Mini is thinner, it's smaller overall, and sleeker. It's an Apple. Oh, and it's $70 less.
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But what if the Hyundai actually has more horsepower and more features? The iPad Mini only has 512 MB RAM compared to the N8's 2 GB. And of course the N8 has the pen digitizer and removable SD. Not important to everybody, but these features are really important to others.
And of course its a completely different OS and ecosystem. The iPad, any iPad, was never a serious contender to me. Ever.
Now of course many of your points are right when talking about the average Joe (who could probably care less about what I just said, if they even understood it at all). But the N8 is pretty clearly aimed at a niche market of enthusiasts, not the masses. If average Joe just wants a cheap gimped device as an introduction to the tablet world, they can buy a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0. The N8 is aimed at those that want more.
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It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.
If Samsung wanted the make an Ipad mini competitor, they would have, but the Note 8 is in it's own category. As far as the price, you have no idea about the actual profit margins of the Note 8, so you can't possibly decide the appropriate price point.
To put it simply, if all you want is Youtube and Angry Birds, this tablet is not for you. This tablet is only for people who have use for the Wacom stylus and can justify the price point for it. It is not going to steal any sales away from the ipad and was never intended to.
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Well put. We are clearly on the same page.
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As far as the title of this thread, not everyone likes AMOLED. I've seen many folks on XDA comment that they find the artificially saturated colors and contrast on AMOLED screens nearly unbearable, and can't stand AMOLED (and actually avoid it on purpose). Of course, its a matter of individual taste and preference. I personally don't feel strongly either way, and think the screen on the N8 is just great.
As for "why", I assume that Sammy saved a few bucks using TFT instead, to offset the price of the pen digitizer and keep the price where they wanted it.
I've said my piece about the screen several times, it is what it is and not good enough for my needs, but for those mentioning hand feel/weight I'd highly suggest picking up a demo at the store. I think that's one of the best things about it. It's weighted about perfectly for a device like this. Any more pocketable and you're basically back at the note 2.
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It's really time to drop all of the Ipad Mini price comparisons. For starters, the Note 8 is not an Ipad Mini competitor and was never intended to be. If you are going to use the automotive comparison, then the iPad mini is a car and the Note 8 is more of an SUV. Two different vehicles that serve 2 different needs, but can overlap if necessary.
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No No your completely wrong, the ipad mini is like a set of directional summer tires rated vr with some cool tread pattern and the extended road hazard warranty. The note 8.0 is like a big set of nobby mud tires, maybe 35's.
That explains the difference perfectly........
OH wait, no its more like the ipad mini is a strawberry ice cream cake, with flowers on it, and maybe a little toy on the top, and the galaxy note is more like a chocolate shake, with sprinkles and whipped cream....
No, wait I have a better one.......
The ipad mini is like my roommate Ernies rubber ducky, and the galaxy note 8.0 is like my pet pigeon Bernise.
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No No your completely wrong, the ipad mini is like a set of directional summer tires rated vr with some cool tread pattern and the extended road hazard warranty. The note 8.0 is like a big set of nobby mud tires, maybe 35's.
That explains the difference perfectly........
OH wait, no its more like the ipad mini is a strawberry ice cream cake, with flowers on it, and maybe a little toy on the top, and the galaxy note is more like a chocolate shake, with sprinkles and whipped cream....
No, wait I have a better one.......
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I can see this new device forum is already shaping up with some comic relief!
Always a good things, as these discussions can often get a little too serious . . .
^Your One X (and now the HTC One) have one of the best displays I've ever seen. Being a photographer, I ultimately prefer neutral & natural color balance, and a wide color gamut. But some days the deep blacks, contrast, and color of my Captivate, SGS2, Note1, Note 2, and Tab 7.7 screens wow me.
LOL at the responses. You guys are a passionate group, and for good reason.
As stated in my posts, my comments were clearly regarding the Average Joe consumer and how it relates to Samsung's and Android's market share and perception in the general consumer marketplace. We here at xda are a different breed.
I'm an Android user through and through. My last iDevice was the iPhone 3G. I have way more beefs regarding Apple products, and that's why I am here. But Apple does some important things right that Samsung would do well to pay attention to (if they expect more attention and market share from the general public, and increased admiration from us).
Being that the Note 8.0 and the iPad Mini are the only 8" tabs in the marketplace, I would argue that they are if fact competitors. Yes, the IPM and N8 are aimed at different users, but do they have to be? The N8 can do everything and (way) more compared to the IPM, so if the pricing and build quality were more comparable, there would be no reason to buy the Apple product. I'd like to see Samsung succeed.
I spent many hours over several DAYS at Best Buy comparing the Note 8.0 and all of the tablets. I planned to drop some serious money for the International 3G (phone) Note 8.0, and I wanted to be sure that it would be the right choice beforehand. It is.
But it was interesting watching the other shoppers going down the line of tablets on display, and how much time they would pause at each model for a minute or two before ultimately settling at the iPad table for 5-10 minutes or more. The Note 8.0 probably received the least screen time. A lot of people stopped, played, and looked, but as soon as they saw the price tag, off they went.
I love all of my Samsung products. They are far more useful, versatile, and productive for me. But like many, I yearn for better build quality for my money.
Just my observations. I'll leave the dead horse be now with the IPM comparisons. Thanks for all of the responses...ALL good points!
Oh. @chakra, you should be pleased, I do QUESTION EVERYTHING.
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I've said my piece about the screen several times, it is what it is and not good enough for my needs, but for those mentioning hand feel/weight I'd highly suggest picking up a demo at the store. I think that's one of the best things about it. It's weighted about perfectly for a device like this. Any more pocketable and you're basically back at the note 2.
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I completely agree regarding the weight/balance in hand. And given its resolution, I was actually quite impressed by the screen.
How about this? Just make the bezel narrower or very minimal ON ONE (long) SIDE, so the screen is offset to one side...Get rid of the capacitive and home buttons altogether...put them on the screen so they rotate with the device's orientation, or just use gestures instead.
That way if you are left- or right-handed you will always have a comfortable bezel to grip in portrait mode, and it won't matter in landscape. The FFC might be a slight issue, but it could "auto-rotate" as well.
I absolutely love the 8" screen size, and the weight/balance of this device. But I also prefer a device that can go with me everywhere without any extra work to carry it. Just my opinion, of course...trying to get down to one device.
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But it was interesting watching the other shoppers going down the line of tablets on display, and how much time they would pause at each model for a minute or two before ultimately settling at the iPad table for 5-10 minutes or more. The Note 8.0 probably received the least screen time. A lot of people stopped, played, and looked, but as soon as they saw the price tag, off they went.
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Of course price is a factor. But the Apple brand is a big one, too. I have no doubt that many (or even most) of these folks you're talking about would still have opted for the iPad Mini, even if it cost more than the Note 8.
Average Joe probably weighs brand reputation and price over everything else, by far. They usually don't have the knowledge to even understand the features, specs, or even difference in build quality and screens. But they will often just buy a brand they know has a good reputation. Apple very much wins in this category. Although Sammy is gaining traction. I'm finally starting to hear people mention "Galaxy S" more and more in casual conversations about smartphones, instead of just "iPhone iPhone iPhone".
I'm with you on the build quality, or what some call industrial design. Sammy's penchant for plastics has turned me off to their products for a long time. Their build quality is still very good. I'd even still consider the Note 8 a premium look and feel. It would just be a whole league greater if they used higher quality materials (but also probably heavier, and maybe thicker). The aluminum body on my old HTC Flyer is probably the only thing I miss about it, versus the Note 8. But HTC is staying out of the Android tablet market for now (I'm hearing they are planning Windows 8 tablets), which is one of the primary reasons I've gone to Sammy.
I really like the screen of Note 8 even the contrast isn't unlimited as Note 2, but it does not have "burn in" problem.
In addition, Quadrant is good as Note 2 and the battery is pretty decent.
^^Well said, redpoint73, and agree on all points.
I'll take LCD over the psuedo-HD Pentile AMOLED screens anyday.
Unless deep contrast (at the sake of true color at times), LED just doesn't match LCD. Just like the big displays, LED is still behind LCD & plasma in overall quality of picture & clarity.
It is great for battery life, LED, but I use the Note 8 in sunlight frequently & while it does not have quite the brightness control of the Note 10.1, it is still pretty good.
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I'll take LCD over the psuedo-HD Pentile AMOLED screens anyday.
Unless deep contrast (at the sake of true color at times), LED just doesn't match LCD. Just like the big displays, LED is still behind LCD & plasma in overall quality of picture & clarity.
It is great for battery life, LED, but I use the Note 8 in sunlight frequently & while it does not have quite the brightness control of the Note 10.1, it is still pretty good.
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Don't compare this AMOLED to others you might have seen - have you even seen the Super AMOLED "PLUS" screen on the 7.7? The "Plus" means it was the only implementation of AMOLED at the time that was not prone to the pentile issues observed on many other AMOLED displays. Do some web searches and you'll see that claim backed up if you can't get in front of one. Everyone who's seen that screen in real life loves it and "over saturated" is a complaint made by no one that's used or owned it. Everything looks more "lush" on this screen and if the Note 8 display looks drab in comparison.
I've been carrying both my Note 8 and 7.7 around and have put them both up for people to compare and it's the 7.7 screen preferred every time. If they really were trying to sell a device that would compete and sell well with regular users, all they would have to do is put that same screen as the 7.7 in and put it side by side with the competition - regular folk who haven't fallen for the "over saturation" sheepspeak would agree the screen was better.
Also I have a mount on my dash for the tablets and you can definitely tell that the 7.7 is easier to read n the full sun than the Note 8.
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Don't compare this AMOLED to others you might have seen - have you even seen the Super AMOLED "PLUS" screen on the 7.7? The "Plus" means it was the only implementation of AMOLED at the time that was not prone to the pentile issues observed on many other AMOLED displays. Do some web searches and you'll see that claim backed up if you can't get in front of one. Everyone who's seen that screen in real life loves it and "over saturated" is a complaint made by no one that's used or owned it. Everything looks more "lush" on this screen and if the Note 8 display looks drab in comparison.
I've been carrying both my Note 8 and 7.7 around and have put them both up for people to compare and it's the 7.7 screen preferred every time. If they really were trying to sell a device that would compete and sell well with regular users, all they would have to do is put that same screen as the 7.7 in and put it side by side with the competition - regular folk who haven't fallen for the "over saturation" sheepspeak would agree the screen was better.
Also I have a mount on my dash for the tablets and you can definitely tell that the 7.7 is easier to read n the full sun than the Note 8.
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I cannot speak for the 7.7, but as for just about every other LED Samsung has released including the GS3, washed out blues & unnatural white or lighter pastel type colors is in fact my opinion, which is not based on what anyone else may say or think, but what I have experienced with the multitude of devices at my disposal.
Also, I said "deep contrast" & "at times at the sake of true color", not washed out, just unnatural color, like you see on the S3 vs the HTC One X. I don't know what in the hell you mean by "fallen for the sheepspeak", but what I said is exactly my experience with the devices I have or have had. One last bone of contention, who the heck says "sheepspeak"? I only see cobbled together words like that in Apple/Android rants by fanatics, folks that think Jesus will flood the world if everyone doesn't repent & swear allegiance to the giant Android/Apple deity. ,,!,,
Thinking about buying one.
Why?
1) Getting blind in my old age, well not blind but I need reading glasses
2) Bigger screen should be more natural with magazines
3) Has Android 4.4 (now I know I can root install custom ROMs etc... but I also had bad luck doing this with tablets)
Two questions,
It is only 2 inches bigger does that two inches make it much harder to travel with?
It runs the latest Android, does it run better?
It is expensive and I which when I bought my Note 10.1 (2014) .... what 3 months ago I knew this was coming.
has crossed my mind as well, I do a lot of reading/surfing/viewing and I don't really take it out much
saw one in a shop ...not exactly cheap not sure worth the extra coin being asked
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has crossed my mind as well, I do a lot of reading/surfing/viewing and I don't really take it out much
saw one in a shop ...not exactly cheap not sure worth the extra coin being asked
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Personal preference of course. Some things to consider.
It's huge and comparatively heavy.
The N10.1-14 is getting 4.4 and M-UX; it's already listed as a feature on Samsung's commerce sites. It won't get the Pro features but you can download the most meaningful, Hancom Office, in the app sub-forum here. There was some question about a modified version of the Tab/Note|Pro s/w because we have a menu button and those devices have replaced it with a task button. N12 owners have reported that long-pressing the task button provides the menu function we have which means it's one set of s/w with different button function mapping. Other than the remainder of missing Pro features the only two other unique features to the N12 are four multiview windows (vs. our two) and an expanded keyboard with FN, ALT, CTRL keys.
The N12 has an inferior display because the same pixel count that's on the N10.1-14 is stretched out over a larger area. The N12 has a gross PPI of 247 compared to 299 on the N10.1-14. Both use a RGBW PenTile display which means the net RGB pixel count is 227 and the N10.1-14's is at 274. The iPad Air is 264. A couple of reviewers have mentioned seeing a difference between the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14's displays when compared to the N12.
It's got a bigger battery and will outlast the N10.1-14. But the Exynos N10.1-14's take forever to charge so increase that even more for the N12.
It's got USB 3.0 but it does nothing to improve charging time and increases data transfer rates on Windows (only) PCs that are USB 3.0 equipped.
So in the end, especially after the N10.1-14 gets its updates, there's not a lot of difference between the two h/w and s/w wise with the biggest exception being a fairly low (for a 1080P display) net RGB pixel count of 227 on the N12. For reference the N2's 720P display had a net PPI of 267.
Happy deciding.
Where is the downloads of the hanscom?
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Thinking about buying one.
Why?
1) Getting blind in my old age, well not blind but I need reading glasses
2) Bigger screen should be more natural with magazines
3) Has Android 4.4 (now I know I can root install custom ROMs etc... but I also had bad luck doing this with tablets)
Two questions,
It is only 2 inches bigger does that two inches make it much harder to travel with?
It runs the latest Android, does it run better?
It is expensive and I which when I bought my Note 10.1 (2014) .... what 3 months ago I knew this was coming.
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It's really nice. I don't think the extra size makes it harder to travel with. It is noticeably larger, and you see it the most when holding it with one hand while tapping and navigating with the other. Because it is larger and heavier, there's a lopsided weight to it to where it feels like it's trying to twist out of your hand. Nothing overly dramatic, but you do notice it every time. Unlike the Note 10.1 where your hand covers a larger part of the device and so there is less / none of that feeling. Any type of case etc would most likely mitigate the issue. Other than that the screen is beautiful, sure it may be lower density but nothing I ever noticed after using the Note 12.2. You'll really appreciate the larger nature of text and graphics however, and that is priceless.
BarryH_GEG said:
[*]The N12 has an inferior display because the same pixel count that's on the N10.1-14 is stretched out over a larger area. The N12 has a gross PPI of 247 compared to 299 on the N10.1-14. Both use a RGBW PenTile display which means the net RGB pixel count is 227 and the N10.1-14's is at 274. The iPad Air is 264. A couple of reviewers have mentioned seeing a difference between the Tab|Pro 8.4/10.1 and N10.1-14's displays when compared to the N12.
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May I ask how did you get the net PPI figure?
Note 10.1 has an RGBW matrix made of ~4 Mpixels (2560x1600).
This equals to the same subpixel count as a ~2.7 Mpixel RGB panel (PenTile only have 2 subpixels per pixel compared to RGB's full 3 subpixels)
Which means that our Note's effective resolution is 1306x2090.
So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem) equals to the equivalent of 2464 RGB pixels
Which finally means that we have an effective 244 PPI (2464.5/10.1)
Which is lower than Ipad's but higher than other 10.1 inch android's. iPad's screen also consumes far less battery has (arguably) better colours and most importantly does not suffer from the grayish blacks we suffer. In short if you want the best "large" panel in the market you have to go to Apple, for everything else our note is the best deal.
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So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem).
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Seriously?
The effective PPI of the N10.1-14's display is 299 PPI. It's achieved somewhat by slight of hand by using combinations of sub-pixels to create the illusion of more. That's the very definition of PenTile whose impact varies greatly based on implementation. My simple formula is essentially just factoring in the loss of 25% of the RGB sub-pixels to the added white ones and distributing the lost pixels across each of red, green, and blue. .
From WiKi...
PenTile RGBW technology, used in LCD, adds an extra subpixel to the traditional red, green and blue subpixels that is a clear area without color filtering material and with the only purpose of letting backlight come through, hence W for white. This makes it possible to produce a brighter image compared to an RGB-matrix while using the same amount of power, or produce an equally bright image while using less power.
The PenTile RGBW layout uses each red, green, blue and white subpixel to present high-resolution luminance information to the human eyes' red-sensing and green-sensing cone cells, while using the combined effect of all the color subpixels to present lower-resolution chroma (color) information to all three cone cell types. Combined, this optimizes the match of display technology to the biological mechanisms of human vision.[13] The layout uses one third fewer subpixels for the same resolution as the RGB stripe (RGB-RGB) layout, in spite of having four color primaries instead of the conventional three, using subpixel rendering combined with metamer rendering. Metamer rendering optimizes the energy distribution between the white subpixel and the combined red, green, and blue subpixels: W <> RGB, to improve image sharpness.
The display driver chip has an RGB to RGBW color vector space converter and gamut mapping algorithm, followed by metamer and subpixel rendering algorithms. In order to maintain saturated color quality, to avoid simultaneous contrast error between saturated colors and peak white brightness, while simultaneously reducing backlight power requirements, the display backlight brightness is under control of the PenTile driver engine. When the image is mostly desaturated colors, those near white or grey, the backlight brightness is significantly reduced, often to less than 50% peak, while the LCD levels are increased to compensate. When the image has very bright saturated colors, the backlight brightness is maintained at higher levels. The PenTile RGBW also has an optional high brightness mode that doubles the brightness of the desaturated color image areas, such as black&white text, for improved outdoor view-ability.RGBW is funky in that when displaying certain fully saturated colors (yellow and green have been given as examples) on a white background there's some granularity issues on hard graphics edges.
Also from WiKi...
However, for the same resolution and size the PenTile screen can appear grainy, pixelated, speckled, with blurred text on some saturated colors and backgrounds when compared to RGB stripe color. This effect is understood to be caused by the restriction of the number of subpixels that may participate in the image reconstruction when the color is fully saturated. In the RGBW case, this is caused as the W subpixel will not be available in order to maintain the saturated color. For all other cases, text and especially full color images are fully reconstructed.The impact of PenTile depends on PPI and even more so on visual acuity - the point at which the viewer's vision intersects one arcminute. For people with 20/20 vision holding a device the typical 10-12" away you can't see that the N10.1-14's display is PenTile; at least from a clarity perspective. Some people here with 20/10 vision have seen the RGBW saturation issue. I, with 20/20 vision, haven't.
Here's an interesting article talking about PPI and its impact on various content...
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/10/1080p-on-a-smartphone-screencan-it-possibly-matter/
Here's an interesting article talking about visual acuity in the context of Apple naming their display "retina"...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/4
The pixel race explored...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7743/the-pixel-density-race-and-its-technical-merits
BarryH_GEG said:
Seriously?
The effective PPI of the N10.1-14's display is 299 PPI. It's achieved somewhat by slight of hand by using combinations of sub-pixels to create the illusion of more. That's the very definition of PenTile whose impact varies greatly based on implementation. My simple formula is essentially just factoring in the loss of 25% of the RGB sub-pixels to the added white ones and distributing the lost pixels across each of red, green, and blue. .
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I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.
As for the rest I calculated what's the effective PPI of our device is in RGB terms, again I don't see where I'm wrong. I called it effective because most screens use an RGB panel. A 1306x2090 panel produces exactly the same sub-pixel count as our note. Now due to subpixels' placing one may see a different picture altogether, but holding our note side by side with an Ipad it is more pixilated, which shows to me that the 299 number is literally meaningless since we are talking about a different screen tech...
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I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.
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Yeah I would have done it the same way Stevethegreat did. But I'm not familiar with how they create the illusion of more subpixels.
I am debating which one to get- the note 10.1 2014 or the tab pro 12.2. Does the screen size make it a must have?
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I wanted to get the Note Pro 12.2 until I saw the price (am in Bangkok):
29,900 baht (~$930). I love my Note 10.1 2014.
Stevethegreat said:
May I ask how did you get the net PPI figure?
Note 10.1 has an RGBW matrix made of ~4 Mpixels (2560x1600).
This equals to the same subpixel count as a ~2.7 Mpixel RGB panel (PenTile only have 2 subpixels per pixel compared to RGB's full 3 subpixels)
Which means that our Note's effective resolution is 1306x2090.
So the hypotenuse of the panel (via the pythahorean theorem) equals to the equivalent of 2464 RGB pixels
Which finally means that we have an effective 244 PPI (2464.5/10.1)
Which is lower than Ipad's but higher than other 10.1 inch android's. iPad's screen also consumes far less battery has (arguably) better colours and most importantly does not suffer from the grayish blacks we suffer. In short if you want the best "large" panel in the market you have to go to Apple, for everything else our note is the best deal.
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I honestly don't get your point, a rectangle is made of two triangles whose hypotenuse is the diagonal of said rectangle, which is why one can use the pythagorean theorem to find the diagonal's pixel count.
As for the rest I calculated what's the effective PPI of our device is in RGB terms, again I don't see where I'm wrong. I called it effective because most screens use an RGB panel. A 1306x2090 panel produces exactly the same sub-pixel count as our note. Now due to subpixels' placing one may see a different picture altogether, but holding our note side by side with an Ipad it is more pixilated, which shows to me that the 299 number is literally meaningless since we are talking about a different screen tech...
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You guys do know that a rgbw pentile display doesnt render images in full pixels like a rgb panel right? Thus making a comparison of the two technologies a pissing contest at best. A rgbw panel renders images at the subpixel level using any arrangement of the subpixels to achieve the desired image (in a way more natural and easier on the human eye) whereas a rgb renders images using the entire pixel (all 3 subpixels as a solid unit) it takes a rgbw display 1/3 less subpixels to display the same resolution image with no loss of image quality. Yes if you jam your face into the thing you will notice the pixels slightly sooner than a rgb. All that means is you look less like an idiot while pixel peeping with the rgbw. On text you will never notice a difference. One of the biggest electronics companies of all time keeps using pentile panels and keeps getting great screen reviews in its products. Shut the stupid pentile assault down. I cant even recall a reviewer knocking any of these screens. At normal viewing distance they are marvelous. If you dont use it at a normal distance congratulations your the minority that uses his tablet pressed to his face. Oh the and the "slight" loss of sharpness on the display in comparison to the note 2014 is made up for by a larger screen used FARTHER AWAY meaning that with normal vision no discernable difference. And lastly in what universe have you compared the note 10.1 to the ipad air and found the note more pixelated? Even factoring the lost pixel count (BarryH_GEG is right) the note is superior to the ipad. The rgbw panel doesnt need the extra pixels because it looks just as good without them. And if it looks just as good whats your problem?
Op the 12.2 offers alot more screen real estate. It is a bit heavier but unless you have lost tge ability to wipe yourself you will easily be able to carry it around. My 90 year old grandmother still carries an ipad 3 (same weight). The screen is very efficient and this tablet is consistently beating the ipad air in battery tests. It will take awhile to charge if you allow it to drain all the way. Which you shouldn't do. Charge it when not in use and you will be fine. 4.4 is smoother and the pro features are nice. I would also point out that the charging port is on the side making use while charging much easier. If you are intrigued by its size try it out. Worst case you return it.
Sorry guys for ranting but I keep seeing the same false information over and over again. Your splitting hairs between ridiculously good and slightly more ridiculously good and smaller.......just like that stupid 4:3 is better for reading thing. (IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY BETTER)
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Oh please notice the only time you can tell the difference is text against a fully saturated background.
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Also from Nouvoyance (a company owned by samsung doing their r&d for rgbw pentile displays) the are pursuing pentile because it relies on technology that tskes advantage of the human eyes natural mechanisms. Samsung obviously believes that pentile is the way of the future. they seem to be selling the idea very well.
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@ Duly.noted: OK I get you dislike of ipad and it is not without merit but I was comparing the sub pixel count of our device with that of ipad's and unlike what BarryH_GEG said my calculations are not wrong, you said it yourself we have 1/3rd less subpixels. Now I often keep my tablet at a distance of 8-10 inches close to my eyes. Granted I keep it closer than most people, and also -granted- text looks better but everything else *doesn't* and *that's* my point, technically we have a worse screen but to most people it is just fine. It is not splitting hairs though, I would much prefer ipad's panel but then I would lose android's flexibility and the spen
As an experiment put a red text in a yellow background and *tell* me that it looks the same to you (same clarity) as in an ipad, because it sure as hell doesn't to me.
Anyway, this thread is about Note 12.2, so imagine it as a thought experiment in an even larger more spread out fashion. Again to many people this is splitting hairs but I think it is more important to let more people learn of the impact of pentile technology than simply call the panel a 2560 x1600 panel and be done with it. I'm surely not as happy to learn about it *after* I bought the tablet, but you're right it may not be that big of a deal, the biggest deal by far (for me) was/is the "milky" blacks and the atrocious gamma raise when looked at from different angles, both not expected from a panel of this calibre. I sure hope that note 12.2 have/had this issue fixed, because especially in such a large panel it would make quite an impact to its picture quality. Much more than the pentile arrangement would (even in principle) be able to make.
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Sorry guys for ranting but I keep seeing the same false information over and over again. Your splitting hairs between ridiculously good and slightly more ridiculously good and smaller.......just like that stupid 4:3 is better for reading thing. (IT IS NOT IN ANY WAY BETTER)
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Yes you are ranting, fine if you want to do that, but your rant has almost nothing to do with the post you quoted. It it not about false information, whether the screen was good enough, nor 4:3 ratio. It is about methodology for calculating PPI. That may be interesting for someone comparing a Tab Pro 12.2, Note 10.1 2014, or an ipad.
ddzado said:
I am debating which one to get- the note 10.1 2014 or the tab pro 12.2. Does the screen size make it a must have?
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Here's my input. I had the Note 12.2 for about a week. I returned it without hesitation for the Note 10.1 (14). Why?
1. It's heavier. I came from an original Tab 10.1 and one would think that 4 ounces more isn't a big deal. That's what I kept telling myself. Yet it is. My hand got tired holding it very quickly where it never got tired holding the 10.1.
2. It's larger. Well, you say, that's the point isn't it? Yeah, but there's an odd thing about it being larger, it's harder to hold it. If you remember your physics class then you'll understand that the center of gravity for the 12.2 moves further from the hand than the 10.1. Throw in 4 ounces more weight and the torque applied to the hand makes it uncomfortable to hold in one hand.
3. The screen is just bigger, not better. The apps don't use the real estate better. They're just larger. It's like putting larger buttons on a pushbutton phone. You don't get more buttons, you just get larger ones. It's the same with your TV. A 50" screen has the exact same number of pixels and resolution as a 40" screen, just larger. Now, for us folks getting older one would think that this would be a good thing. It wasn't. It just didn't feel right.
4. Magazine UX. It was fun. For about 30 minutes. Because it was so limited I found it to be boring after a short period of time. I installed Apex.
5. When I combined it with a Zagg hard keyboard case it did a fine job as a desktop device. The keyboard was full sized and easy to use. Felt great. But, then I found myself pulling out my 15.6" laptop for those times instead. After all, if 12.2 is good on the desktop 15.6 is better.
6. One thing that I really liked on the larger screen was the ability to have up to 4 apps running at once. Mult-apps feels cramped on the 10.1" screen and it felt much better on the 12.2" screen.
My comments here are very personal and may only apply to me. They're intended to be a "heads up." Here's what I'd recommend to anyone thinking about getting a 12.2" tablet. Buy it at Best Buy or any other brick and mortar store that permits easy returns. Try it out, you'll know in a few days if it's for you. If you don't like it just return it. No harm done. (Don't do this at Fry's, they charge a 15% restocking fee.)
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Side note on PPI:
PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.
TabGuy said:
Here's my input. I had the Note 12.2 for about a week. I returned it without hesitation for the Note 10.1 (14). Why?
1. It's heavier. I came from an original Tab 10.1 and one would think that 4 ounces more isn't a big deal. That's what I kept telling myself. Yet it is. My hand got tired holding it very quickly where it never got tired holding the 10.1.
2. It's larger. Well, you say, that's the point isn't it? Yeah, but there's an odd thing about it being larger, it's harder to hold it. If you remember your physics class then you'll understand that the center of gravity for the 12.2 moves further from the hand than the 10.1. Throw in 4 ounces more weight and the torque applied to the hand makes it uncomfortable to hold in one hand.
3. The screen is just bigger, not better. The apps don't use the real estate better. They're just larger. It's like putting larger buttons on a pushbutton phone. You don't get more buttons, you just get larger ones. It's the same with your TV. A 50" screen has the exact same number of pixels and resolution as a 40" screen, just larger. Now, for us folks getting older one would think that this would be a good thing. It wasn't. It just didn't feel right.
4. Magazine UX. It was fun. For about 30 minutes. Because it was so limited I found it to be boring after a short period of time. I installed Apex.
5. When I combined it with a Zagg hard keyboard case it did a fine job as a desktop device. The keyboard was full sized and easy to use. Felt great. But, then I found myself pulling out my 15.6" laptop for those times instead. After all, if 12.2 is good on the desktop 15.6 is better.
6. One thing that I really liked on the larger screen was the ability to have up to 4 apps running at once. Mult-apps feels cramped on the 10.1" screen and it felt much better on the 12.2" screen.
My comments here are very personal and may only apply to me. They're intended to be a "heads up." Here's what I'd recommend to anyone thinking about getting a 12.2" tablet. Buy it at Best Buy or any other brick and mortar store that permits easy returns. Try it out, you'll know in a few days if it's for you. If you don't like it just return it. No harm done. (Don't do this at Fry's, they charge a 15% restocking fee.)
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Side note on PPI:
PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.
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So I'm hoping to try all this out and see if it bothers me. I've never had a tablet before, but I've used the tablets of others.
I am hoping that I can root the thing and change a couple of the things you were mentioning. For example, I'm on a G2 right now, having the same issues with a bigger screen/apps are just bigger. I changed my LCD density (effectively the screen resolution) and now have a much better use of the real estate on the screen.
Another big test would be if the S-Pen works well on the Tab Pro (yes that's right Tab Pro). You would instantly save $100 minus the difference for buying a stylus. I don't care for the S-Pen software, just the handwriting capability.
I am also nervous about all the bloatware/UX that comes with it... I'm a guy that buys a phone and has it rooted/ROM'd before I go to bed. We'll see how long I last....
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[/COLOR]Side note on PPI:
PPI doesn't matter. Look at the screen. Run the apps you normally use. Do you like what you see? Yes? That's all that matters. Period.
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There are many of us who like to read , for many hours. Be it literature, articles, long emails. While a screen may look beautiful at first glance after long hours it can and will become tiresome if the PPI is below some threshold. As a reader PPI is the first I look for when buying a new tablet. Fortunately note's pentile handles text beautifully so I suspect it would not be a problem for note 12.2 either
ddzado said:
Another big test would be if the S-Pen works well on the Tab Pro (yes that's right Tab Pro). You would instantly save $100 minus the difference for buying a stylus. I don't care for the S-Pen software, just the handwriting capability.
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It won't work. The tab pro doesn't have an active digitizer. It wouldn't even work as a capacitive stylus. You'd just get nothing.
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It won't work. The tab pro doesn't have an active digitizer. It wouldn't even work as a capacitive stylus. You'd just get nothing.
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Well that blows. I mean.. you can draw with your finger... so why wouldn't any stylus work?
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Well that blows. I mean.. you can draw with your finger... so why wouldn't any stylus work?
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A capacitive stylus is made with a material that effects the electrical current of the touchscreen causing it to register as a touch in the same way a finger does. Pieces of metal will register as well. The spen is a active stylus. The tip is a nonconductive rubber or plastic tip and it affects the touchscreen using a magnetic field detected by the digitizer layer. This allows much greater accuracy and by increasing the magnetic force with a button sensitive to pressure allows pressure sensing. However, it would not function on any device that did not have either a resistive touchscreen or digitizer layer.
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Good grief. It's got Pixel sized bezels!
The good old Galaxy Note 3 was so far ahead of its time when it came to minimal bezels.
Galaxy finally has small bezels again but no root for US phones. Or LOS/AOSP ROM's.
OnePlus 5 had a chance to swoop in but dammit if the bezels and phone with its 5.5" screen are still bigger than the old Note 3 with it's 5.7" screen.
I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
Bezel-less is a gimmick. Looks good from a design aspect but the functionality isn't 100% there since black bars when watching Videos/VR Apps/OS have to be made to work
Also 1+ tries to keep the cost of their devices to a minimum and in a video they did mention they'd use a bezelless display but currently wasn't in a position to do it
In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
ithehappy said:
In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
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I use the S8+ and it is far from a disaster for my usage. That's just my opinion though.
MrWilsonxD said:
I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
parakleet said:
I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
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Same, I'm 2 meters tall with hands just as freakishly large, while I am no advocate for Xperia size bezels *Twitches* or pixel xl sized bezels *Shudders* I would much rather see some front firing speakers than this bezeless craze continue.
I just generally upset with where phones are going right now... I felt like last year we got so many awesome upgrades,
The Moto Z play keeping it conssitent with amazing battery life and a success at modularity.
The Honor 8 bringing dual cams in. (Even though this was not the first android phone to do this, I think the honr 8 was the first one that picked up a lot of steam.)
The S7 (I can't believe I said this, I dislike samsung, but I have to get them their credit) but water resistance, wireless charging, good camera, micro sd all in one package!
The Axon 7 filling in the gap for htc with their identity crisis, bringing the best front firing speakers with the same processor and screen resolution as flagships of that year..
The Pixel (Price way too high, I know..) but it's Google's Foray to inject their product to more people.
LG, with... Hah, wait, no they still ate it in 2016.
Then processors for 2016, I felt there was such a huge jump from the 810 to the 820. With performance and heat.. To me it seemed like manufacturers were trying to improve the usability of their phones, with this year, we are killing headphone jacks and trying to get bezelless phones that are wafer thin. I would much rather have a phone with a larger battery or more room for heat dispersion than a phone that would break if I accidentally sat on it wrong.
I'm not trying to discredit anyone's desires here, I just feel like focusing on bezels is so... Secondary.. It's aesthetics, I thought we should just leave that for Samsung and Apple to chase, (And LG to pretend they can catch up)
Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
CZ Eddie said:
Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
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I agree. Not sure Samsung's goal was specifically for a bezeless phone, but more likely to put the biggest screen possible on the smallest chassis they could build. In that respect, I love the trend. I'm not fond of cutting the screen a la the essential phone to decrease phone size
I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
aholeinthewor1d said:
I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
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I know it's probably a lost cause but i am hoping they keep the AUX jack as well.
Besides curved edges and delicate display concerns the thing that bothers me about the bezeless design trend is that the more they reduce the bottom bezel the further down on-screen keyboard becomes. This results in more stress to my hand when swipe typing which is my primary input method on my phone. On the S8 it's not too bad since the phone is narrow and I can reach the lower corners of the keyboard fine when holding one handed but on the S8+ stretch becomes more pronounced and I suspect long stints of texting will be an issue for me.