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I've been debating with my self whether or not I should jump in and buy the note 10.1 2014 edition, but in my fact finding efforts certain questions arose ( with a lot of confusion)
1 Will HMP be available to the Exynos 5420 ? I keep finding information that goes both ways...yes...no...maybe
2 Does a root solution exist ( or is in works) that won't void warranty? (knox issues??)
3 Snapdragon or Exynos ( this brings me back to the HMP question!! IF HMP = yes well then Exynos, but...if not...?)
4 Any drawbacks when compared to comparable gen tablets? Lack of features, performance issues , instability etc?
I'm not doubting whether or not I want a pen enabled tablet, but with the new Nvidia pen enabled tablets in the works, samsung is losing it's unique position.
Now I know there are tons of posts all over the place that in essence answer a lot of the same points, but many of the threads go a bit back and forth and often misinformed on key issues...
Like Developer support for and against the Exynos vs Snapdragon etc And HMP support?
Now there is a small ticking clock attached to these questions, I've been offered a 17.5 % discount on the note ( LTE or wifi edition , my choice) But it expires on wednesday (30.okt)
Thanks in advance!!!
Cheers lads!
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
mi7chy said:
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
DeBoX said:
But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Yeah l heard that snapdragon is 20 + % faster gpu. So there's that
But I can't help wonder how HMP (if it's going to be available to the note) would impact the performance of both gpu and cpu (I know that I'm a bit of a broken record)
Didn't know about the root, good to know, but there isn't one ready for the note yet...?
Anyone done a battery comparison between the two SoC ?
Anyone found articles on HMP and note? Looking for solid proof
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
VaggD said:
As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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If I've understood it properly, the OS takes about 4-5 gigs ( note that's the OS and the apps that come with it etc) , so in essence you should have something like 10-12 gig of user available space.
I'de say go for the 32 gig variant.
Yes, you can always add micro SD cards etc, but most apps still don't like moving to ext storage, and in most cases they don't move all of the content but just part of it.
I won't be gaming a lot, but a few games that I do like , GTA 3 and GTA vice city er about 2 gig each ( give or take) so there goes the space, some documents here and there, and apps, and so on and so on...
Anyone know of any difference in lag between the Snapdragon and Exynos versions?
The rumoured SoCs don't hold up to the competition (and by competition I obviously mean Samsung and Apple)
How are they going to make SD810 look good at their conference? (or will they not talk about hardware performance at all...) Either way, if it's an SD810, it's likely to get destroyed in reviewers benchmarks.
The SD810 is much slower than the latest Exynos, and far, far, far slower than Apple's new A9 chip (it is probably even worse than Apple's year old A8).
Many of us were hoping for either SD820 or Kirin 950... But there are so many people confirming SD810 ....
I'm not super happy with my Nexus 6, but SD810 doesn't seem like much of an upgrade
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
NikAmi said:
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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Absolutely. I, too am still rocking this M7. It's no quitter by any stretch of the imagination! I just want stock Android and guaranteed timely updates, which this phone will definitely provide. Additionally, it looks like the M7 as well! As long as there isn't a ridiculous camera bump and it's just an area of the phone with different materials used (for radios and other gadgets that can't pierce through aluminum), I'd be sound as a pound. Besides, with the incredible performance rumors marching the internet (it's apparently FOUR TIMES faster than last year's Nexus 6), I think it's safe to say that this phone will be in my pocket for many years to come.
I remember an AnandTech article talking about the price of SoCs. they said that a high end SoC costs less than $30… and the low end are $10....
I don't think Google chose the SD810 because it was cheap. They chose it because there are very few options.
Apple doesn't sell their SoCs. Samsung doesn't sell much. Certainly not to real competition.
Nvidia can't do a SoC at low power. That leaves Intel, QCOM and some of the Chinese brands.
The Chinese brands may not be chosen because the Nexus needs to get approved quickly by lots of carriers. US carriers are quicker to approve QCOM
I would happily pay an extra $10-20 for a top or the line SoC
NikAmi said:
Personally, I would rather they just keep the price down rather than engage in the ever ridiculous spec war. An 810 would be more than enough for a high end phone. I'm on an HTC M7 with an SD600 and it is still quite fast.
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The 808 is also very quick, so what's important though is optimization (as well as I/O, RAM type, and LTE/WiFi speed). I imagine even the SD600/S4P will continue to be useful for a few more years depending on how much of a burden future Android releases become.
Specs are good but not very useful if the software isn't on par. There's a reason why even phones like the G4, OP2, or S6 can show lag.
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Ace42 said:
The 808 is also very quick, so what's important though is optimization (as well as I/O, RAM type, and LTE/WiFi speed). I imagine even the SD600/S4P will continue to be useful for a few more years depending on how much of a burden future Android releases become.
Specs are good but not very useful if the software isn't on par. There's a reason why even phones like the G4, OP2, or S6 can show lag.
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Totally agree. I just want both. We had both with the N4, N5, N6. All three of then technically had the very best SoC available at the time (at least if you don't count Apple).
The SD810 was not the 'best' even when they launched 6 months ago, which is rare for Qualcomm. I'm surprised they estimate the SD820 won't be until next year, because that means the entire 2015 has been a QCOM disaster.
If the rumours are true, these Nexuses will be a little bit of a letdown for me in the SoC department.
Just look at 2015. Samsung dropped them, and their Exynos 7420 was far superior to the SD810. And now Amazon just announced their new Fire TV has dropped QCOM, and is using a top end MediaTek with the new A72 cores!
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Totally agree. I just want both. We had both with the N4, N5, N6. All three of then technically had the very best SoC available at the time (at least if you don't count Apple).
The SD810 was not the 'best' even when they launched 6 months ago, which is rare for Qualcomm. I'm surprised they estimate the SD820 won't be until next year, because that means the entire 2015 has been a QCOM disaster.
If the rumours are true, these Nexuses will be a little bit of a letdown for me in the SoC department.
Just look at 2015. Samsung dropped them, and their Exynos 7420 was far superior to the SD810. And now Amazon just announced their new Fire TV has dropped QCOM, and is using a top end MediaTek with the new A72 cores!
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Unlike previous years Qualcomm didn't have their personal architecture (Kyro or whatever) prepared for 2015, so the SD810 felt like more of a placeholder. The thermal issues are likely a side effect of them using standard A57/A53 cores, they usually rely on custom architectures like Apple.
The SD820 according to QC has a bunch of improvements however, I'm unsure of whether it can beat the next Exynos or A9x.
I haven't checked out the new Kindles, but if they'll use A72's that's pretty good considering their HDX used the SD800.
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No they won't talk about performance. They know the 810 is a bad chip. They've most likely already throttled it or will do so soon afterwards and it'll still overheat, just like all the others.
TransportedMan said:
No they won't talk about performance. They know the 810 is a bad chip. They've most likely already throttled it or will do so soon afterwards and it'll still overheat, just like all the others.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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Well those scores are still higher than any other Snapdragon at the moment. It's no E7420, but its the next best thing behind it. We also can't forget if this is the revised SD810 its been throttled to deal with its heating issues so the scores could possibly be higher. I don't care what the scores on paper say. All I want to know is are the heating issues fixed because some chips who have new 810 are still overheating.
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New benchmarks showed up yesterday on backbench and they were typical 810 processor... Something in the lines of 1300 single, 4400 multi cores... Weak.
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a single benchmark doesn't matter, you have to look at a sustained performance. I could just take a phone out of a fridge to run a benchmark and I can guarantee you it'll be amazing, but if I run the same benchmark several times continuously, the score will be significantly lowered. the key here is whether can google/huawei do something to keep the continuous performance. let's say if I run the benchmarks 5 times in a row, how much deviation will there be between the first and last one? that's the important thing here. typical SD810's performance isn't bad, it's the throttling that everyone hates
Hi,
as the title says, is it possible to buy the exynos version of galaxy s7 edge, but then change the CPU later to a snapdragon 820?
If it is possible to change the CPU / GPU where would i be able to find it as a sparepart?
Thanks in advance.
Eaglesix said:
Hi,
as the title says, is it possible to buy the exynos version of galaxy s7 edge, but then change the CPU later to a snapdragon 820?
If it is possible to change the CPU / GPU where would i be able to find it as a sparepart?
Thanks in advance.
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Not possible. You'd be better off just buying a Snapdragon variant but I have no idea why you would want to do that when the general consensus is the exynos version is slightly better.
what he said^^
Surely this is not a serious question. You intend to desolder the existing cpu?
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Not possible. You'd be better off just buying a Snapdragon variant but I have no idea why you would want to do that when the general consensus is the exynos version is slightly better.
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Have you not been paying attention to benchmarks? The Snapdragon is way better than the exynos...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/03/07/galaxy-s7-performance-problem/#52b44c1d2fdb
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-820-vs-Exynos-8890-flavors-compared_id79141
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ore-powerful-than-iphone-6s---but-not-if-you/
Although, I agree that you shouldn't even consider trying to swap processors. Maybe try to purchase a Snapdragon variant?
Having some experience with PCB and electronics production, no it would not be possible to outright swap the cpu.
But maybe if you are good at tinkering you could buy a motherboard off of a broken device and swap that?
I do not have a lot of experience with electronics modification so i guess my only option is to buy the Snapdragon variant from another country.
In this context does anyone know of any verified phone sellers on the asian market (where the snapdragon variant currently is available) that has a webshop with international delivery?
Also if i buy the phone from asia will i be able to use it with a telephone subscription in Europe or is there some fundamental differences on the phone depending on where you buy it?
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Have you not been paying attention to benchmarks? The Snapdragon is way better than the exynos...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/03/07/galaxy-s7-performance-problem/#52b44c1d2fdb
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-820-vs-Exynos-8890-flavors-compared_id79141
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ore-powerful-than-iphone-6s---but-not-if-you/
Although, I agree that you shouldn't even consider trying to swap processors. Maybe try to purchase a Snapdragon variant?
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Nope, the only thing sd820 is better than 8890 is GPU. In cpu 8890 kills the sd820 even on battery life.
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Nope, the only thing sd820 is better than 8890 is GPU. In cpu 8890 kills the sd820 even on battery life.
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Um, the 820 CPU beats the 8890 in single core performance. And battery life with the 820... well, I'll let my screenshots speak for themselves.
g4Nk said:
Have you not been paying attention to benchmarks? The Snapdragon is way better than the exynos...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/03/07/galaxy-s7-performance-problem/#52b44c1d2fdb
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...n-820-vs-Exynos-8890-flavors-compared_id79141
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ore-powerful-than-iphone-6s---but-not-if-you/
Although, I agree that you shouldn't even consider trying to swap processors. Maybe try to purchase a Snapdragon variant?
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Numbers aren't everything. People with the Snapdragon are having issues playing videos that are 1080p and above. Video stops playing but sound still happens on youtube. Same issue the LG V10 had and another phone.
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Um, the 820 CPU beats the 8890 in single core performance. And battery life with the 820... well, I'll let my screenshots speak for themselves.
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Nope it doesn't. Read Andrei on Reddit. Total score yes, on actual performance per cycle it doesn't. 7h sot over 48h total on my exynos.
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Nope it doesn't. Read Andrei on Reddit. Total score yes, on actual performance per cycle it doesn't. 7h sot over 48h total on my exynos.
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But it does. The only thing it slightly loses in is Integer performance. But it makes up for this in floating point superiority. Don't forget, the exynos in single threaded stuff runs at 2.6ghz, thats about 18% faster than the snapdragons 2.15ghz. If we Normalized the clocks, theres really no question which ones superior in single core performance. As for OPs question, no, unless you are a total bada** it would almost certainly not work. You would likely need to replace the whole board, not just the CPU as it's all one big interconnected system. Especially on the sd820, due to it using the symphony system manager to dynamically offload tasks to the DSP and other blocks to save power and improve performance. On top of all that you would also have weird issues with the kernel being for exynos version for instance and have to get that fixed.
Tldr. Plz don't...
IMHO, The SD 820 beats the 8890 in some areas. However, To me it doesnt really matter which we have, The Device is extremely good with both. Runs a dream. However there is always the issue that development will become slightly frgamented...
We have TWRP for Exynos but not for SD devices. Plus im sure the ROM Will follow soon.
Whats interesting is that the S5 and Note 4 devices internationally came with SD 801 and 805 Respectively.
However after the S6 / Note 5 all Exynos product etc, Sammie decidied to flip that on its head :/ Personally I prefer SD chips. Solely because from previous experience they trashed Exynos and Kirin based ones. However Sammie really upped their game!
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IMHO, The SD 820 beats the 8890 in some areas. However, To me it doesnt really matter which we have, The Device is extremely good with both. Runs a dream. However there is always the issue that development will become slightly frgamented...
We have TWRP for Exynos but not for SD devices. Plus im sure the ROM Will follow soon.
Whats interesting is that the S5 and Note 4 devices internationally came with SD 801 and 805 Respectively.
However after the S6 / Note 5 all Exynos product etc, Sammie decidied to flip that on its head :/ Personally I prefer SD chips. Solely because from previous experience they trashed Exynos and Kirin based ones. However Sammie really upped their game!
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The reason Samsung didn't use the 810 last year was because it was an inferior SOC. It had a lot of heat issues. Up to that point qcom had been great. Also we have no twrp or kernels yet on SD because Samsung has only released exynos source so far for some reason -_-
consider samsung had a year with the 14nm processor, I would love to get my hand on an exynos processor. I have a feeling Samsung pay extra attention to their own processor than a snapdragon 820. Things like updates may come quicker too.
As Sammies Chip making process has grown (Yes Apple... Im looking at oyu) , its made Sammie a helluva ton'a muneh!
Seriously though, Samsung have done a good job with the last 2 gens of processors. S6 and Note 5 and the S7 8890 are nuts!
As for the sourcecode, well when its created by Samsung etc its not so bad
Back to the OP. No you cannot change the processor. Besides if it goes wrong, Warranty is instantly void
fkofilee said:
IMHO, The SD 820 beats the 8890 in some areas. However, To me it doesnt really matter which we have, The Device is extremely good with both. Runs a dream. However there is always the issue that development will become slightly frgamented...
We have TWRP for Exynos but not for SD devices. Plus im sure the ROM Will follow soon.
Whats interesting is that the S5 and Note 4 devices internationally came with SD 801 and 805 Respectively.
However after the S6 / Note 5 all Exynos product etc, Sammie decidied to flip that on its head :/ Personally I prefer SD chips. Solely because from previous experience they trashed Exynos and Kirin based ones. However Sammie really upped their game!
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It does but there is a diffrence. When the exynos win it does it with almost 40% in single core which IS noticeable ..the sd820 only wins with up to 10% which is not ( talking about single core here). Hopefully anandtech will sink there teeth in to both socs soon and we will get a clear answer. As for boost clocks... the sd820 have a GPU boost which helps it in bursty situations but can't sustain it for long, that's the extra score in 3D for ya. But will see as time goes by..I have a feeling the exynos is the better overall
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Nope it doesn't. Read Andrei on Reddit. Total score yes, on actual performance per cycle it doesn't. 7h sot over 48h total on my exynos.
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I still had almost 20% battery left in those screenshots.
Either way, I don't think you can say the Exynos is superior. It's better at some things, sure, but the 820 also beats the Exynos in several areas. I have used both extensively and in real world usage, you can't tell a difference. Only benchmarks show the difference.
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It does but there is a diffrence. When the exynos win it does it with almost 40% in single core which IS noticeable ..the sd820 only wins with up to 10% which is not ( talking about single core here). Hopefully anandtech will sink there teeth in to both socs soon and we will get a clear answer. As for boost clocks... the sd820 have a GPU boost which helps it in bursty situations but can't sustain it for long, that's the extra score in 3D for ya. But will see as time goes by..I have a feeling the exynos is the better overall
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The best win the exynos pulls off in single core is in AES with a 57% win over the SD 820. In the same category the 820 wins sha2 with about a 40% win. And the exynos is clocked almost 20% higher... The exynos 7420 Mali GPU also had a burst clock. It ran at 650mhz unless all cores weren't loaded it would boost up to 720mhz for bursty workloads. In floating point the snapdragon pretty much wins everything despite being at a significant clock disadvantage. If we under clocked the exynos to 2.1ghz it wouldn't even be close IMO. In fact the Integer wins may be largely lost when clocks are normalized.
Qwhy don't people to a trans Atlantic phone exchange. I'm sticking with the exception exynos for the battery. Still waiting for a decent screen protector and battery case though.
The difference isn't as big this year compared to years past, they are both similar in performance. That said, I'm leaning towards the Exynos just because of how much of a pain in the butt it was with rooting the Snapdragon model. Exynos was easy to root but the Snapdragon only got root because of a leak and it was unstable and laggy.
You are asking which one is better for a phone that isn't out for another 2.5 weeks?? And you can't say they are similar in performance based purely on a spec sheet! The spec sheet shows the exynos able to do 120fps at 4k, but it can't because the camera itself cannot perform at that speed so its still limited to 30 despite the exynos chip being capable of it.
Both SoCs and GPUs are too new to make any assumptions. Here's an article discussing S-835 on a Qualcomm reference device. It underperforms S-820/1 in certain benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11201/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-performance-preview. Architecturally the new Mali GPU is superior to Adreno. What features Samsung implements and how they implement them is a wild card. When Samsung uses two SoCs in the same phone they typically tune them to be comparable as was the case in the S7-series even though Exynos did seem to have an edge. To an average user they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Exynos and S-835 equipped S8.
I've said this a couple of times in other threads. Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip. Until its in people's hands it's dangerous to assume previous bootloader exploits will work the same way they did previously.
One difference that the Exynos seems to have but not sure how many people will notice. On the Samsung website and a couple other carrier sites state that the device the UK is getting only has Bluetooth 4 and not the newer Bluetooth 5 that the US and snapdragon market are getting. Wonder what other differences there are that aren't being advertised.
International versions getting a different version of BT doesn't make a lot of sense. They hyped being able to support two headphones connected at the same time during the unveiling which requires BT 5.0. I don't think they would have done that if the majority of the world wasn't receiving the feature. Carrier websites aren't particularly accurate.
You may have missed that part where I said it's shown on the Samsung website too. In the U.K it's showing as BT 4.2 LE. It's possible that the new BT 5.0 isn't compatible with the Exynos chip for some reason or just not optomised to work well together yet. Also that launch was predominantly geared towards the US market as almost no information regarding the international versions was spoken about on stage.
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I am pretty certain thats a mistake, there are mistakes over the web on the phone specifications. The global S8 specifications say Bluetooth 5.0
"Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip."
What EXACTLY does that mean. Because whenever I read or hear term, "security" it raises eyebrows. This is umbrella terminology for those in a state of fear requiring reassurance, but to those who don't carry around such weighted down impedances it would be interesting to know exactly what is implied here.
Yeah the specs are all over the place at the moment. I'm putting a tiny bit more weight behind what is on the official Samsung UK website that my pre-order leads me to which is saying it has BT 4.2. But one UK carrier (EE) is claiming it has Snapdragon 835, and another carrier (Three) is claiming BT 4.0 so nobody seems to be on the same page in the UK. Anyway I'll know for certain next week as my pre-order is arriving 20 April.
"The Samsung Galaxy S8 is the first of its kind in the United States, and it is the first of its kind in the world Up to 24 bands worldwide. Samsung offers with the new S-Class for the first time in a smartphone Bluetooth 5.0, which is integrated both in the version with Snapdragon 835, as well as with Exynos 8895-SOC."
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-im-Hands-On-Potente-Hardware-smarte-Software.209358.0.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4AzmvQEeU&lc=z120ijfw5zaytfvt123hgxdxbqnwhfcri04.1491848744959473
The Exynos is roughly 10% faster in single core and multi-core than the snapdragon (Geekbench, above video). You would hardly see a difference in most day to day use as both are pretty fast.
But the Exynos 'Mid Power Saver' which downclocks the CPU gives you the same performance as the the 835, so the exynos would obviously be better as you can have the same performance with more battery life (assuming it does save power)
My Exynos Edge 7 plus did not suffer any slow down over time while Snapdragon version crawled to a stop
I've had my Snapdragon S7 Edge since they were first released. My phone is still working great. It has nowhere crawled to a stop. Maybe for some reason some of the Snapdragon S7's slowed down but mine certainly hasn't. As a matter of fact the only reason I'm getting a S8 is because my S7 Edge has an over sensitive screen. If that wasn't an issue I would keep it for at least another year. There is no way I would do that if it slowed to a crawl.
Exynos Should always be in theory. It's in house processor and Samsung can do what they want and how they want with the software. So it should always be better optimized as you know exactly every aspect of the hardware.
I have upgraded my Galaxy S devices with each new model since the S6. I held off on the S20 as I'm not thrilled with the Camera Cut-out on the rear and no 3.5mm Jack. To me the only real advantages over my S10 Plus are the faster chip and bigger battery. The 5G rollout in the US hasn't really hit full speed so it's a non issue. Glad I waited since Samsung's got a beast headed our way in it's next device, likely the S21. Some leaked specs.
AMD Radeon GPU and the headline numbers are extraordinary. 138.25 frames per second (fps) in Aztec Normal (the Snapdragon 865’s Adreno 650 GPU hits 53 fps), 58 fps in Aztec High (the Adreno 650 GPU manages 20 fps). Samsung’s AMD-powered smartphone chipset is delivering circa 2.5x the performance of the fastest Android chipset on the market. It’s also enough to blow away Apple’s A13 used in the iPhone 11 line-up and the new 2020 iPhone SE. The A13 is a 2019 chipset, but it’s hard to image Apple bridging this gap based on the anticipated release of this new Samsung hardware. I'm drooling already, full article here:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordon...set-update-galaxy-s20-smartphone-upgrade/amp/
varcor said:
It’s also enough to blow away Apple’s A13 used in the iPhone 11 line-up and the new 2020 iPhone SE. The A13 is a 2019 chipset, but it’s hard to image Apple bridging this gap based on the anticipated release of this new Samsung hardware.
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Glad to hear Samsung has a beastly SoC in the works. However, never underestimate Apple's capability to deliver a competitive SoC.
sublimaze said:
Glad to hear Samsung has a beastly SoC in the works. However, never underestimate Apple's capability to deliver a competitive SoC.
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Well only the gpu part is beastly, the cpu part would be exynos quality so ugh... not so great really lol.
peachpuff said:
Well only the gpu part is beastly, the cpu part would be exynos quality so ugh... not so great really lol.
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Depends, current exynos aren't great, previous generations were better in nearly every way compared to their Snapdragon counterparts.
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Depends, current exynos aren't great, previous generations were better in nearly every way compared to their Snapdragon counterparts.
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I think with the Exynos SoC Samsung was too focused on Single Core performance. They tried to squeeze whatever they could out of the chip all in an effort to close the gap with the Bionic's Benchmarks. Turned out to be the source of all the overheating and battery drain issues, a costly gamble.
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I think with the Exynos SoC Samsung was too focused on Single Core performance. They tried to squeeze whatever they could out of the chip all in an effort to close the gap with the Bionic's Benchmarks. Turned out to be the source of all the overheating and battery drain issues, a costly gamble.
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Very possible. Doesn't preclude then changing strategies and making great chipsets again.