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soon you may not be able to root your phone..

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/?nocache=1
so, does this mean the end of rooting every device except a Nexus?

wase4711 said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/?nocache=1
so, does this mean the end of rooting every device except a Nexus?
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As long as t-mobile doesn't lock the phones bootloaders it shouldn't be a problem, however needing a custom kernel to have root will cause huge delays in obtaining root with new updates.

and if they dont release source, or, they do and its encrypted or secure is a new way, that custom kernel may never be able to be compiled
I knew this was coming with Android L; this just confirms it to me..
If you want to upgrade to "L", you will have to be ok with staying stock for a long time I believe..
Hope I get proved wrong..

If thats the case I wont root to lollipop

Since this is N4 and T-mobile forum, the reason why I need to root is because I want to get rid of Amazon app, T-mobile account app and the file explorer which doesnt not have FTP. And also rid Sammy Video Player which cant play my 1080p movies! I also cant write to my SD card. I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?

chong67 said:
Since this is N4 and T-mobile forum, the reason why I need to root is because I want to get rid of Amazon app, T-mobile account app and the file explorer which doesnt not have FTP. And also rid Sammy Video Player which cant play my 1080p movies! I also cant write to my SD card. I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
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They should of added the t-mobile bloatware and the other bloatware to the galaxy app essentials section if we wanted to download the bloatware apps or not. They removed some bloatware and added it into there, why not all of them? That would of been way better.
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unfortunately, the marketing/engineering team that puts these phone "packages" together, probably doesn't care what "we" want in a software package. Their only interest is making maximum profits on every phone they sell, so they get royalties based on how many phones come pre-loaded with all of this crapware, so us trying to root/circumvent/taking all this junk off our phones, just phisses them off to no end..
The public is screaming for security in every aspect of our lives, especially after all these "attacks" on major retailers/banks recently, so they will "Sell" this new, total encryption as a "benefit" to the public. I believe Andoid L automatically encrypts everything on your phone, so I will be surprised if you will be able to upgrade to it at all if your phone is rooted..

chong67 said:
I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need!
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New xda motto...Couldn't agree more

If this is true, I will just by an apple device and put on my sheep outfit every 12 months.
The thinking heads at Google are making billions annually, is it really necessary to squeeze out the diehard enthusiasts for a few extra millions. :smh:
Sometimes capitalism sucks.

I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
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Nobody wants crabs, Chong, lol! Seriously though, I can't have an Android without root! I can do without customs ROMs, but do without root...no!

Root is like part of my device and life is the Main reason I don't owned a IPhone.
I like being able to customize every aspect of device.

HtcOnekid said:
Root is like part of my device and life is the Main reason I don't owned a IPhone.
I like being able to customize every aspect of device.
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Amen, brother. So many of the apps I use require root privileges.

Amd4life said:
If this is true, I will just by an apple device and put on my sheep outfit every 12 months.
The thinking heads at Google are making billions annually, is it really necessary to squeeze out the diehard enthusiasts for a few extra millions. :smh:
Sometimes capitalism sucks.
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DUDE! LOL! You are missing the point. With governments being increasingly more interested in user data, Google is trying to protect our data more than ever before. These changes are coming about for security reasons. The whole phone will be encrypted by default now. This will make a major difference in the overall security of the device. Google isn't trying to hurt the enthusiasts, they are trying to protect people who want privacy and don't have the skill to ward off massive superpowers that want it.

good point; unfortunately, "freedom of choice" usually comes at a price...
In this case, it will probably mean that the only custom roms /mods moving forward might only be for android 4.4 and earlier..

Google is leveling the playing field. All those who used Android for the customizations will realize all operating systems are the same [locked down] and venture off to see what else is out there. It's a brilliant move on Google's part. They were making too much money and was starting to have issues with storing it all. Now they'll let the other guys have those problems.
But it comes down to this... Either you want root or you want your privacy protected from The Man. We live in a word where diversity means less freedom.

I really don't think lollipop root will be a problem on this phone. Once the source is dropped for a single samsung build, which I'm pretty sure is required by the GPL, the kernel devs should be able to take it from there as long as there aren't very drastic changes in stock kernel functionality.
For instance the note 3 custom kernels pretty much took on a life of their own and you could flash them over different rom builds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a new kernel won't necessarily be needed for each Samsung build. At least that's the way it's been in the past.

mircury said:
I really don't think lollipop root will be a problem on this phone. Once the source is dropped for a single samsung build, which I'm pretty sure is required by the GPL, the kernel devs should be able to take it from there as long as there aren't very drastic changes in stock kernel functionality.
For instance the note 3 custom kernels pretty much took on a life of their own and you could flash them over different rom builds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a new kernel won't necessarily be needed for each Samsung build. At least that's the way it's been in the past.
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If Chainfire is unsure about the process, maybe it's not as easy as you think it will be.

dkb218 said:
If Chainfire is unsure about the process, maybe it's not as easy as you think it will be.
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Chainfire will figure a way.
NOTE 4

And They Wonder Why G4 Sales Suck...

LG says no plans for G4 Android 5.1.1 update at the moment
Are we going directly to Android M? When I had my G3 we had the same issue, no 5.1.1
Given all of the issues with Lollipop, this may be a blessing in disguise but
the negative publicity from this may further impact the already poor sales.

Actually
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?

fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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We are no where unless someone's keeping it hush hush. I check daily too.

The xda and tweak people are just s handfull of users ... Most buyers are regular and they don't even know xda .... If you want a phone that get every update then buy a Google phone, or a iphone. If you want a unlocked bootloader now then buy a Samsung. If you don't want those phones , then stop whining and buy a G4 or any other phone with Android on it instead of complaining. Sales are not depending on if a bootloader is unlocked or not !
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fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...

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... but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Really? [emoji58]
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dontpannic said:
but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.

Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!

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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.

I am also missing a few features that I can only use with root. AdAway, AirAudio to stream my sound to other devices, etc...

siraltus said:
Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
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Everyones usage is different remember - I just want to use a phone and from previous experience with my S4 introducing xposed to it turned it into a buggy mess, I don't want that happening to this phone.

dontpannic said:
Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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99% agree with you there. I got this device for the ability it has without any root/unlock. Fully agree that Xposed has never done anything good for me in my experiences...usually end up having bugs and ending up factory resetting rom I'm on.
Also confused as to why people expect that the G4 would already be unlocked or rooted. This device has been out for just over 3 weeks, fellas. Sure, there are other manufacturers (HTC which I LOVE save for their inability to understand that a good camera is a requirement in 2015) that are able to be unlocked like 30 seconds after you open the box. LG is NOT that way. The G3 was a pain in the butt last year for this from what I understand and this device is running a newer processor and supposedly more secure version of android.
In the end, I would like to have root, so I can get rid of the T-Mobile stuff...and yeah, while I can DISABLE it, that doesn't get rid of it, it's just lying dormant...I still have a disabled app taking up space on my device.

siraltus said:
Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
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Yes this times 1000. Plus getting rid of bloat (although the LG does not have nearly as much as my Samsung devices had) plus I really want to be able to use Titanium Backup again.

Also...Not sure why everyone is so set on being on the latest version of Android at all times. I learned my lesson on that the hard way. Last device I was on was the Note 4. We were extremely irritated that we were getting Lollipop so late compared to all the other Sammy devices. Boy was I wrong to wish for it. It came with more bugs than new features, most of which made the device nearly unusable to me, resulting in my spending $280 to get the device half paid off so I could JUMP to the G4.
Rather than rolling out a new version of Android, I'm sure many users would prefer that LG work on the number of bugs that some users have experienced thusfar. That being said, 5.1 seems to be doing me pretty well for this device for me

A free wifi tethering method would be nice to have again.

I don't see the link between 5.1.1 and bad sales. If someone refused to get G4 because they won't update it to 5.1.1, I find this hilarious. 5.1.1 is a maintenance update, nothing major as I am aware, so LG can include the most important fixes from the latest available android version through OTA update, and there is no need to show you the latest android build number. 5.1 can include everything 5.1.1 got.

dontpannic said:
Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Have you even used Xposed recently? Root itself is fantastic, and does not harm usability. You can use apps like Greenify and Titanium Backup to remove apps and improve battery life, modify the tethering provisioning check to use the hotspot, etc. I also use Xposed on 5.1.1 and on 5.0, 4.4, etc., and I don't have any issues at all. the 10+ modules I use never have problems.
I'm keeping my rooted G3 until we can root the G4, as I need root in some form or another.

dontpannic said:
Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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The phone is is great all on its own but I am looking forward to no ads and a tweaked Rom to hopefully get rid of the awful lagging and missed touch issues

Give the devs time. There's a lot of money pledged in the bounty board which should attract some top devs, so short of JesusFreke coming out of retirement I doubt it'll be in the next month.

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fpsq said:
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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If you purchase the open EUR H815 handset, you can officially unlock the bootloader through LG's Dev website, and from there install TWPR and flash SuperSU for root.
This method is not (yet?) available to other models, however.
You're correct that there are currently no unofficial methods to unlock the bootloader or root the device, yet.

Disadvantages of rooting S7 Edge?

I know the advantages of rooting a device. But I want to know what the disadvantages are there in specific to S7 Edge if I root the device.
So far I have rooted all the android devices but I'm a little hesitant to root the S7 edge. Suggestions are welcomed

1. Trip Knox
2. Void Warranty
3. Cannot use Samsung Pay
that's all! enjoy my root edge lolz

Samsung Pay is the only one that is stopping me at the mo. Although I am on the fence...
Knox will trip but if you are in the UK or some other countries that will not void your warranty anyway.

n.praveen13 said:
I know the advantages of rooting a device. But I want to know what the disadvantages are there in specific to S7 Edge if I root the device.
So far I have rooted all the android devices but I'm a little hesitant to root the S7 edge. Suggestions are welcomed
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Just tripping knox really. No samsung pay if and when it ever comes to international devices. Tripping knox also tends to create a memory leak when flashing newer firmwares via ODIN which won't allow the phone to deep sleep. You wouldn't see this issue if you had never rooted. That said, developers have found ways around this bug within days of new firmware releases, so it's not a huge concern in my mind. (this was the case with both the S6 and Note5 when MM was first released)

Great thanks for the responses. What about OTA updates? Would we receive OTA updates if rooted, I do not think so. Heard that any changes made to the OS files would make the phone unflashable via ODIN as well is this true?

No OTA either but that is not something that I would find as a disadvantage tbh

agreed
i rooted mine the same day i got it, and haven't looked back
1. Trip Knox - pft, no great loss there lol
2. Void Warranty - oh well, i'm uk side, and couldn't give a toss anyway lol
3. Cannot use Samsung Pay - again, i'm uk side... it's not out here yet, and i wouldn't use it if it was lol
4. No OTA - in exchange for custom roms and customisation? not even a contest lol

1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
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No OTA either but that is not something that I would find as a disadvantage tbh
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Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.

sc2ascend said:
1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
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Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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Well had you put a wink or smiley face after that comment then I would not have taken offence! Who are You to state that I have a mental deficiency?!?
In all honesty, you are in the wrong forum if you find all the above a disadvantage, this whole place is pretty much about modding our phones!!!
Also, after years of using custom roms I actually find the opposite to most of your points when compared to carrier roms. The devs on here are extremely talented and tend to improve speed, stability, reliability and fix memory leaks and or other issues on delivered roms way before the carriers actually get round to fixing them.
I get the updates, but I get them by either side-loading or baked into custom roms!

chippyuk said:
Well had you put a wink or smiley face after that comment then I would not have taken offence! Who are You to state that I have a mental deficiency?!?
In all honesty, you are in the wrong forum if you find all the above a disadvantage, this whole place is pretty much about modding our phones!!!
Also, after years of using custom roms I actually find the opposite to most of your points when compared to carrier roms. The devs on here are extremely talented and tend to improve speed, stability, reliability and fix memory leaks and or other issues on delivered roms way before the carriers actually get round to fixing them.
I get the updates, but I get them by either side-loading or baked into custom roms!
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I like modding and I'm probably going to root my edge at some point. I am just sick and tired of the misinformation and bias that is spread around here. You know not getting OTA updates is a disadvantage, don't play dumb. People should know ALL of the advantages and disadvantages of rooting and this community seems incapable of doing that (looking at root objectively and factually not as a gift from the android exploit gods).

sc2ascend said:
I like modding and I'm probably going to root my edge at some point. I am just sick and tired of the misinformation and bias that is spread around here. You know not getting OTA updates is a disadvantage, don't play dumb. People should know ALL of the advantages and disadvantages of rooting and this community seems incapable of doing that (looking at root objectively and factually not as a gift from the android exploit gods).
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So now you are calling me dumb?!?!
With all due respect please kindly DO ONE!
My last word to you on the subject... I yet again beg to differ, I have found that OTA updates can actually cause more problems than they solve, these updates are generally sent out by the carriers to fix specific things but they do not spend enough time regression testing and inevitably end up causing other issues or forcing people to factory reset etc...
Please don't bother replying with any further insults, you are really not helping yourself!

sc2ascend said:
1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
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Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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This guy is trolling everyone rooting with his misguided information. Just ignore and proceed.
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chippyuk said:
So now you are calling me dumb?!?!
With all due respect please kindly DO ONE!
My last word to you on the subject... I yet again beg to differ, I have found that OTA updates can actually cause more problems than they solve, these updates are generally sent out by the carriers to fix specific things but they do not spend enough time regression testing and inevitably end up causing other issues or forcing people to factory reset etc...
Please don't bother replying with any further insults, you are really not helping yourself!
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Exactly. He has issues.
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sc2ascend said:
1. No Samsung pay
2. Unencrypted internal storage (no one mentions this, kind of a big deal imo)
3. No Knox
4. Slower boot time
5. Random reboots
6. Memory usage and leaks
7. Incompatible or poorly tested xposed modules can cause a myriad of bugs.
8. Compromised warranty
9. No OTA updates
Not getting updates isn't a disadvantage? You must have some mental deficiency.
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i think you're the one who is deficient in these points. first, i don't know who's custom rom you have been using, but custom rom's are faster, not slower. they boot faster, and do almost every other task faster than the stock. why do you think everyone uses them? why do you think people are willing to forego their warranty to use them? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER. knox is a problem, NOT a solution. memory leaks...? it seems as if you have NEVER USED A CUSTOM ROM, because you are taking about things that rarely exist. not with the good custom roms anyway. no one cares about ota's, when you can get custom roms, which are ten times better anyway. AND, whenever there is an ota, almost all of the dev's are going to port anything worth while into the new custom roms update. so, i think you are extremely short sighted here. screw the manufacturers, as they try to keep control of your device. you don't really own your device, they do. because they are the real ones controlling it. go join the flock, and start grazing...

stevae said:
i think you're the one who is deficient in these points. first, i don't know who's custom rom you have been using, but custom rom's are faster, not slower. they boot faster, and do almost every other task faster than the stock. why do you think everyone uses them? why do you think people are willing to forego their warranty to use them? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER. knox is a problem, NOT a solution. memory leaks...? it seems as if you have NEVER USED A CUSTOM ROM, because you are taking about things that rarely exist. not with the good custom roms anyway. no one cares about ota's, when you can get custom roms, which are ten times better anyway. AND, whenever there is an ota, almost all of the dev's are going to port anything worth while into the new custom roms update. so, i think you are extremely short sighted here. screw the manufacturers, as they try to keep control of your device. you don't really own your device, they do. because they are the real ones controlling it. go join the flock, and start grazing...
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Thank you [emoji106] [emoji122] [emoji119] [emoji112]
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chippyuk said:
Samsung Pay is the only one that is stopping me at the mo. Although I am on the fence...
Knox will trip but if you are in the UK or some other countries that will not void your warranty anyway.
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You can still use Android Pay if you unroot, while you can't use Samsung Pay at all if you trip Knox. But, only difference is that you can use MST with Samsung Pay, which is really no big deal. But well, everyone got their priorities.

Okay so I have rooted my phone and I am not able to use my galaxy app now. This is required for redeeming the free vr. Any help or suggestions?

I'm rooted and I have no issues with galaxy app or samsung member. (THO on samsung member I am prompted when opened that I've altered my device or such that may cause issues they can't resolve, or something along those lines)
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stevae said:
i think you're the one who is deficient in these points. first, i don't know who's custom rom you have been using, but custom rom's are faster, not slower. they boot faster, and do almost every other task faster than the stock. why do you think everyone uses them? why do you think people are willing to forego their warranty to use them? BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER. knox is a problem, NOT a solution. memory leaks...? it seems as if you have NEVER USED A CUSTOM ROM, because you are taking about things that rarely exist. not with the good custom roms anyway. no one cares about ota's, when you can get custom roms, which are ten times better anyway. AND, whenever there is an ota, almost all of the dev's are going to port anything worth while into the new custom roms update. so, i think you are extremely short sighted here. screw the manufacturers, as they try to keep control of your device. you don't really own your device, they do. because they are the real ones controlling it. go join the flock, and start grazing...
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Every single custom ROM I have used so far (on my old phone) has had some kind of bug/problem things like the phone trying to deep sleep while I'm still listening to music, connection with my watch cutting out for no reason, more battery drain from Android OS or some other stuff I can't turn off. Etc.
The brute fact is, the engineers at Samsung are just as talented if not more, and they have way more resources to do what they do. The only difference being they take more consideration for the general user where as devs here are only worried about the hard core geeks who will actually go through the trouble of flashing a custom ROM.
And no, there is no way custom ROMs can be more secure or reliable than stock. They may be faster, true, and have more geek features even I don't use like busybox or whatever, but normal people don't really care about that.
Also, most devs have a terrible sense of design, just the icons of the extra apps they introduce are horrible to look at. Sure you can download an icon pack and so on, but man! Do I get to have time to do anything else other than fiddle around with my phone?

jacobgong said:
Every single custom ROM I have used so far (on my old phone) has had some kind of bug/problem things like the phone trying to deep sleep while I'm still listening to music, connection with my watch cutting out for no reason, more battery drain from Android OS or some other stuff I can't turn off. Etc.
The brute fact is, the engineers at Samsung are just as talented if not more, and they have way more resources to do what they do. The only difference being they take more consideration for the general user where as devs here are only worried about the hard core geeks who will actually go through the trouble of flashing a custom ROM.
And no, there is no way custom ROMs can be more secure or reliable than stock. They may be faster, true, and have more geek features even I don't use like busybox or whatever, but normal people don't really care about that.
Also, most devs have a terrible sense of design, just the icons of the extra apps they introduce are horrible to look at. Sure you can download an icon pack and so on, but man! Do I get to have time to do anything else other than fiddle around with my phone?
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yes, you've obviously made some very poor choices with the custom roms you have experienced. because not only me, but thousands of others write in on alllllllll of these threads about different custom roms, and the consensus is that these rom's are better than stock, in almost every way. and one fact you seem oblivious to, is that those engineers of samsung are constrained to the wishes of samsung, which is rarely in the favor of the user, but always in the favor of samsung. the favor of almost any titan company on the planet, is almost always at the detriment of the consumer. they are mutually exclusive. the private dev's can work FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for the mega corporation, and that is why they make much better roms. the FACT is that mega corp's like samsung, put apps on your device which KEEP IT FROM COMPLETELY going into deep sleep, because other companies pay them to. companies which want their sw front and center in all you do, whether you do or not. and yes, trhe dev's can make better security, more efficient i/o pathways, and an overall nicer experience, because they are not hampered with the requirements of all those paying corps. finally, you might be surprised at the size of the so called "hard core geeks" compared to the "normal users". it's probably different than you think. in any case, for many years i have bought new phones, used them as stock for a month or so, and ultimately always root them, because i prefer to actually own my device, instead of the manufacturer. you have little control over what happens on your phone if you are not rooted. they can force any update on you, and can change anything they will to. but if you are rooted, they have very little power over your device, and you have almost total control over it. after paying that much money for something, why be a bystander? why allow the large corporation dictate to your what happens on your own device? you are just a sheep in the flock. you might as well be on a CRapple device.

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yes, you've obviously made some very poor choices with the custom roms you have experienced. because not only me, but thousands of others write in on alllllllll of these threads about different custom roms, and the consensus is that these rom's are better than stock, in almost every way. and one fact you seem oblivious to, is that those engineers of samsung are constrained to the wishes of samsung, which is rarely in the favor of the user, but always in the favor of samsung. the favor of almost any titan company on the planet, is almost always at the detriment of the consumer. they are mutually exclusive. the private dev's can work FOR THE PEOPLE, and not for the mega corporation, and that is why they make much better roms. the FACT is that mega corp's like samsung, put apps on your device which KEEP IT FROM COMPLETELY going into deep sleep, because other companies pay them to. companies which want their sw front and center in all you do, whether you do or not. and yes, trhe dev's can make better security, more efficient i/o pathways, and an overall nicer experience, because they are not hampered with the requirements of all those paying corps. finally, you might be surprised at the size of the so called "hard core geeks" compared to the "normal users". it's probably different than you think. in any case, for many years i have bought new phones, used them as stock for a month or so, and ultimately always root them, because i prefer to actually own my device, instead of the manufacturer. you have little control over what happens on your phone if you are not rooted. they can force any update on you, and can change anything they will to. but if you are rooted, they have very little power over your device, and you have almost total control over it. after paying that much money for something, why be a bystander? why allow the large corporation dictate to your what happens on your own device? you are just a sheep in the flock. you might as well be on a CRapple device.
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Consensus of random people don't mean anything, I only believe in scientific studies and simple logic.
I have yet to see a scientific comparison show custom ROMs being faster or more battery efficient in any way. Personally I don't see a difference so there is no reason for me to believe that there is.
But I have experienced bugs and instabilities in almost all the custom ROMs I've used. And no it makes no sense to say that I have poor choice because poorly chosen custom ROMs are still custom ROMs, at the very least it shows that there are bad apples.
Do I hate bloatware? absolutely, it's been the reason I have rooted my devices. But I also know deleting them doesn't really do much other than freeing up storage space. I see no difference in battery life. Again, don't tell me that it does, I won't believe you. Show me a scientific comparison, with two identical phones one rooted one not rooted going through the identical battery life test.

To Root or Not Root

For many of us the thing that moved is to Android was just the shear ability to customize the crap out of your device. The ability to go one step further and install custom ROMs to further perfect your experience was also a huge plus.
However, these days I find the need to root my device become more of a hobbyist venture than something that actually makes my experience better. I'm curious to know who are the rooters and who are not? Does anyone still have any real purposes for rooting their device is it more of a "just because I can deal"

I am not rooting. Been there, done that. I know people will say well why get a nexus or Pixel if you aren't going to root?
I like stock android with fast updates.

I don't think its "more of a hobbyist venture than something that actually makes my experience better" when I've used root/xposed to wrangle stupid google play services wake locks.
But that said I'm not trying to lock myself out of safetynet anymore so, so long root (for the time being).

Ability to modify is biggest selling point of this device IMHO. Without it, this phone is bested by other phones in almost every category. Believe me, this phone is not like any of the other google inspired devices of the past. At only one point could nexus really compete with flagship devices. Without development the phone is good... maybe even really good... but with development this phone will be GRRREAT (in my best Tony the Tyger voice).

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Ability to modify is biggest selling point of this device IMHO. Without it, this phone is bested by other phones in almost every category. Believe me, this phone is not like any of the other google inspired devices of the past. At only one point could nexus really compete with flagship devices. Without development the phone is good... maybe even really good... but with development this phone will be GRRREAT (in my best Tony the Tyger voice).
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Well everyone has their opinions. I am just gonna disagree that the ability to modify is its biggest selling point. It's a small small small portion of the public who buys phones for this reason.
The Galaxy S7 is its biggest competition and the only objective thing people can say is better is the waterproofing.

Amen to that brother. Tired of all the issues and bugs and slow updates that come from rooting. Biggest reason that I went for the Pixel. That and tired of all the BS extra crapware added by the manufacturers and carriers. Pixel does not have that.
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Well everyone has their opinions. I am just gonna disagree that the ability to modify is its biggest selling point. It's a small small small portion of the public who buys phones for this reason.
The Galaxy S7 is its biggest competition and the only objective thing people can say is better is the waterproofing.
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Funny enough you say that. I saw a test recently where a Pixel was tested with full immersion in a bucket of water for 30 minutes and did fine. They did a second test for 45 minutes and then it started having a little problem with garbled sounds at times. But other than that it seems to be better sealed than they mark it as.

I'm the same as far as not really needing to root. In the past I'd mod the crap out of my phones, then it became a hassle. So then I'd just root for titanium backup and a couple other root apps and unlocked hotspot. Now with this phone, I find I don't even want to root. I like it the way it is
I keep an eye on the dev section to see if something pops up thatll make me want to root, but this time around im not as gung ho as I used to be. The only thing I really want is an unlocked hotspot. I NEVER have any luck with any of the hotspot/tether apps in the app store. If someone can get one of those apps working and let me know how they did it, id be eternally grateful. Or if there were a way to unlock hotspot without root, that would also be swell

its 100% on how you plan to use it. Stock experience is fantastic - the phone is fast as hell. Personally I always like to tweak everything about the phone so im rooting it (currently just miss snapchat) but I stayed on stock for a bit while I had it and it was still great. If you dont plan on tweaking the small things and dont want to deal with manually updating and possibly a soft brick or two, go for it and you wont regret.

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I'm the same as far as not really needing to root. In the past I'd mod the crap out of my phones, then it became a hassle. So then I'd just root for titanium backup and a couple other root apps and unlocked hotspot. Now with this phone, I find I don't even want to root. I like it the way it is
I keep an eye on the dev section to see if something pops up thatll make me want to root, but this time around im not as gung ho as I used to be. The only thing I really want is an unlocked hotspot. I NEVER have any luck with any of the hotspot/tether apps in the app store. If someone can get one of those apps working and let me know how they did it, id be eternally grateful. Or if there were a way to unlock hotspot without root, that would also be swell
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I hear you it is always a balance of do the tweaks outweigh the small hassles of rooting and modding. Before the answer was pretty clear. Now not so much.

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I hear you it is always a balance of do the tweaks outweigh the small hassles of rooting and modding. Before the answer was pretty clear. Now not so much.
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Exactly, and this phone is so freakin fast. I'm came off a galaxy S5 and the difference is night and day.
I also read somewhere that rooting has a good chance of breaking Android Pay, which I used for the first time the other day. It was lightning fast and was cool to try, so I'd hate to lose it

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Exactly, and this phone is so freakin fast. I'm came off a galaxy S5 and the difference is night and day.
I also read somewhere that rooting has a good chance of breaking Android Pay, which I used for the first time the other day. It was lightning fast and was cool to try, so I'd hate to lose it
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That's the biggest issue with rooting. Apps these days because of security issues are not allowing root. In addition to that even the best ROMs like Cyanogen still take forever to provide a stable OS update.

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That's the biggest issue with rooting. Apps these days because of security issues are not allowing root. In addition to that even the best ROMs like Cyanogen still take forever to provide a stable OS update.
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I thought I read there was a way around breaking it if you decide to root, but right now that's just one if those things I really don't even want to think about. Too many details for something that's not really important

I really want to root and ticker with my phone but I need my phone for running a business so I need a very stable phone. I really miss tinkering. I like supporting the XDA community by testing software but sadly my job requires my phone to be on its game.

I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage

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I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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Try AdGuard, it requires you to use local vpn but it works well and does not require root. You will need to purchase the premium service if you want to block ads across apps outside of the browser.

Adaway!
I also used to ROM and mod the heck out of my phones. I really don't see the need with a pixel and nougat. I still find rooting necessary though due to the incredibly annoying and time consuming ads on web pages. I was pained with popups, pop unders, and all other manor of java script ads until root came.
That said, I also really like FiSwitch (it works better with root) and a few things from xposed (like forcing Google dictation or immersive screen with gestures and no buttons) but I've been fine without it.

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I only mis adaway actualy. Not rooting for the first time since i got a smartphone (hd2).
Maybe in a later stage
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Take a look at this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-dns66-source-host-ad-blocker-root-t3487497

I'm ditching an s7 edge and plan to stay stock on the Pixel. I prefer fluid UX over gimmicky Samsung features.

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Take a look at this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-dns66-source-host-ad-blocker-root-t3487497
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Better off going with AdGuard. This seems to have bugs with 7.0

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Better off going with AdGuard. This seems to have bugs with 7.0
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Not for me. I'm running it on two devices both with 7.1. It was just posted as an option if anyone wants to try it. I have no reason to argue the value of either app. Whichever one works best for you is the one you go with.

Root solution???

Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.

Wrong section

Next time don't buy a smartphone before root released...
It is a big question if root for s10 will be ever possible, because samsung made some changes to security

Root already happened but there's no "user friendly" method yet, and not many benefits currently.
Keep in mind that Root is losing importance, it peaked around 2014 but the various hostility from banking apps or paying solutions contributed in reducing root users, some employers also don't allow you to have a rooted devices because of the vulnerabiities it comes with.
Magisk Hide was great but hit or miss on different devices.
@topjohnwu rooted his own S10+, you can try to contact him for testing if you like, he's doing an awesome job.

XDA is quite trippy today, my post got submitted twice please delete.

thread should be moved. this is not a release.
and again people asking for root should ask themselves if they bought the wrong phone:
a north American model.
will probably never be rootable(the U, U1 and W are all the same and have a locked bootloader)
the rest of the world's s10's will be rootable. its 100% sure. just need someone to get recovery to be flashable.
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10thDmenxn said:
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
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ask a mod to move your post/thread.
also read up on what's the difference between the north american modela and the international ones.
then realise the folly of your question/purchase.
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10thDmenxn said:
Just wondering why there is no rooting solution, or custom roms for this device yet? I have the unlocked S10+, and don't see much news or progress on a rooting solution. Is there a good source for news of this somewhere else? There are several things I'd like to do, but being able to put custom fonts on it would be a big help. I don't understand why Samsung is so against us putting whatever font we want on these devices.
Thanks for any help.
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This is one reason why exynos and snapdragon should be separated. No one gives enough info when posting ANYTHING about what version of S10 they have when they are inquiring about whatever they are inquiring about. It makes all the difference in the world. They are essentially two DIFFERENT phones. Why lump them together. The only thing they really share is a name. The internals are different phones. Nothing firmware wise interchanges. Since the mods wont separate the phones in the forums, everyone should mention what S10 they are asking questions about if you want the correct answer.

I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable

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I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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I second this, before root was such a necessity to me, in my OP5t I was using it mostly for Titanium backup, on my S10+ I think it is not needed, it is much cleaner to be setting up your device from scratch preventing corrupted app settings to mess with the phone.
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I believe root is extremely important if you are a heavy ROM user and like to install several ROM for testing then I would suggest you to have to have root to make nandroid backups and have Titanium Backup, otherwise really not needed you expose yourself to vulnerabilities.

Root and XDA = Development! Rock on ???

Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

Eudeferrer said:
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL
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This

VinDiesel69 said:
I have been here for the past 8 years my old acct somehow got hacked..and all the phones I have had were possible to be rooted, including s7, s8, s9, note 4, etc..For someone to say never hasn't been on here enough although Exynos is way easier to root than snapdragons but is it possible? of course, can it happen? in a couple months. In today's society you don't really need to root your phone as companies are making their phones fully customizable
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Eudeferrer said:
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why i have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, i normally use, on my new s10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted s7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my s10+. And i absolutely hate the few fonts that samsung allows us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, i'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This never happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying most important reason to root is total control of our devices!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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for the root!!! No root = no smartphone!

Eudeferrer said:
Root is not just for mods. On my Pixel 3Xl, I tweak my kernel with FK manager to get better battery, more efficient memory usage and better CPU rendering. It's also nice to use apps like 3minit battery mod, system-wide Adaway, Titanium Backup and many others. While Samsung has improved on ways to Mod parts of it's phones, these mods are not available systemwide in 3rd party apps. For me, root is essential.
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10thDmenxn said:
Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It all comes down to preferences. Only reason why our phones doesn't come out of the box rooted is because it’s an inherent security risk..I have never had any issues with the battery not lasting long enough, low on memory, cpu overheating and there goes the saying..don't fix what isn't broken..As for backups? In today's phone standards backup is stored in apple's icloud or google's server, no need to use a 3rd party app. As for ads and custom status bar? you don't need to have your phone rooted for these. There are plenty of modded apps floating around that disables the ads. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a flashaholic back in the days when I had the htc hd, nexus 4, using NRGZ28's energy roms, there was just a point that I really didn't need to do all that. It is time consuming. Rooting android just isn't worth it anymore. Back in the day rooting android was almost a must in order to get advanced functionality out of your phone but times have changed. One thing I can say is that a lot of things has changed throughout the years and a lot of people lost interest in rooting their phones and have left this website. Look at the pixel 2, 3 xl forums and now compare them to the nexus 4 and 5 forums. You will see the difference..

I beg to disagree with you. This is the same excuse I often see people giving when they are stuck on a device that can't be rooted. They become complacent. The bottom line is, YOU pay for your phone. It should be YOUR choice to root or not. It's YOUR device not theirs. Take the inherent risk if you want to, or not. Everyone who roots understand this risk and takes it willingly. We are not in a communist country to have someone (Samsung or Phone company) tell you how your phone has to look or what you can do with it (as long as it's legal and not hurting others). It's this brain-washing nonsense that never makes sense to me. Android backups on Google cloud DO NOT save data for most apps. For someone like me with over 200 apps installed, this is a pain every time you get a new phone. It's either sit there for hours and log in individually to every app or run Titanium Backup and in 15 minutes you are done. Don't but hit me over the head, but to me the choice is obvious and more than clear. Perhaps if Android ever evolves to there point where you can control these things on your end, then root will truly be unnecessary.
Sent from my Pixel 3 XL

I've been running rooted Android phones since the HTC HD2, even ran custom ROMs on the T-Mobile Dash before Android existed. The S10e is by far the closest thing to a non-rooted phone I could live with. I would agree that the urgency for root is less than it used to be, but is still very much needed for many of us. I gave the SD855 version a chance, but after a week as my daily driver, I'm returning it & reverting back to my rooted S7. Once the new Exynos models get stable TWRP/root/etc., I'll pick up the G970F, but despite the improvements over three years, I still prefer my rooted S7 to a stock S10e.

Eudeferrer said:
I beg to disagree with you. This is the same excuse I often see people giving when they are stuck on a device that can't be rooted. They become complacent. The bottom line is, YOU pay for your phone. It should be YOUR choice to root or not. It's YOUR device not theirs. Take the inherent risk if you want to, or not. Everyone who roots understand this risk and takes it willingly. We are not in a communist country to have someone (Samsung or Phone company) tell you how your phone has to look or what you can do with it (as long as it's legal and not hurting others). It's this brain-washing nonsense that never makes sense to me. Android backups on Google cloud DO NOT save data for most apps. For someone like me with over 200 apps installed, this is a pain every time you get a new phone. It's either sit there for hours and log in individually to every app or run Titanium Backup and in 15 minutes you are done. Don't but hit me over the head, but to me the choice is obvious and more than clear. Perhaps if Android ever evolves to there point where you can control these things on your end, then root will truly be unnecessary.
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Agreed! Another valuable reason for having the option to root is "freedom" - e.g. you don't have to rely on the phone/OS provider to store all your private data on their backup repository (however incomplete the data they store might be) and hold you ransom because they have what you need, and could have stored locally on your own device. I still haven't been able to fully restore my apps since changing from a Pixel 2XL to a S10+.

10thDmenxn said:
Eudeferrer took the words right off my keyboard. His points are exactly why I have always rooted. And besides all of the vital things Eudeferrer mentioned above, for you guys who think we don't need to root anymore, please explain to me how to put the 1600 fonts file, I normally use, on my new S10+. Because it was as simple as can be on my rooted S7 edge. But can't find a way to put these fonts on my S10+. And I absolutely hate the few fonts that Samsung ALLOWS us to use. Seems really stupid, that we pay over a $1000 for a device, and they limit what we can put on them... Also, I'm tired of having ads pop up on my phone, not in my browser, but right on my phone!!!!! This NEVER happens to rooted devices. Which the underlying MOST important reason to root is TOTAL CONTROL OF OUR DEVICES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What ads? there's no completely random ads like on Xiaomi's "YOUR PHONE IS VIRUS PLS SCAN" if you see any sort of advertising in Samsung apps it's because you agreed to it, go back and opt out of marketing information.

VinDiesel69 said:
It all comes down to preferences. Only reason why our phones doesn't come out of the box rooted is because it’s an inherent security risk..I have never had any issues with the battery not lasting long enough, low on memory, cpu overheating and there goes the saying..don't fix what isn't broken..As for backups? In today's phone standards backup is stored in apple's icloud or google's server, no need to use a 3rd party app. As for ads and custom status bar? you don't need to have your phone rooted for these. There are plenty of modded apps floating around that disables the ads. Don't get me wrong, I used to be a flashaholic back in the days when I had the htc hd, nexus 4, using NRGZ28's energy roms, there was just a point that I really didn't need to do all that. It is time consuming. Rooting android just isn't worth it anymore. Back in the day rooting android was almost a must in order to get advanced functionality out of your phone but times have changed. One thing I can say is that a lot of things has changed throughout the years and a lot of people lost interest in rooting their phones and have left this website. Look at the pixel 2, 3 xl forums and now compare them to the nexus 4 and 5 forums. You will see the difference..
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Man, sorry to be a ****, but you are just confused. I've been rooting phones for a very long time, and I have NEVER suffered any security problems. Rooting is NOT an inherent security risk. That is some crap that the manufacturers made up, and the sheep follow their instructions and believe everything they say. And while you must be some ridiculous aberration, MOST people have had terrible problems with battery life, lagging and the such. That's why they rooted! To be able to control the processor, gpu and memory. And why would you depend on the backup of Google or CRapple??? They are ALWAYS crap, and never give you back your setup. AND THERE ARE NOT PLENTY OF NON-ROOT APPS WHICH DISABLE ADS. There are plenty of "BROWSER" apps which help with ads. But what about the ads popping up on the phone itself??? NONE!!! And I see you completely ignored my question about FONTS!!! How the hell do I pay over a $1,000.00 dollars for a device, and THEY DICTATE TO ME WHAT FONT I CAN USE????? We own the phones, not them. So Rooting IS still worth it, and a much better situation than having a non-rooted phone. NO non-rooted app allows you to customize your device, or gives you the control over your device the way rooting it does. Being able to put any one of 1600 fonts on my device, USING TITANIUM BACKUP TO EXECUTE AN EXACT BACKUP OF MY SYSTEM, changing the color of ANYTHING I care to, getting rid of ANY app I don't want on the phone, being able to tweak the hardware to MY satisfaction and having system wide Adaway that works flawlessly are just a few of the reasons to root your device. And if you can't see this, than just get used to saying, "bahhhh bahhhh". Because you've joined the flock of the GIANT CORPORATION!!!