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Just so you know here,
Ive just unlocked my Dell Streak with this website
http://www.unlockstreak.com/pages/download-dell-streak-unlock-software
Although they charge you $29 us , for me, it was worth it ,
Ive nothing to do with the site, but the emails they sent, although, weren't used as they weren't required, they offered a good technical backup
At the end of the day, you can pay by paypal, so, if everything goes up in the air, you can get your $29 back,
ROFL
If it's AT&T locked, all you have to do is call AT&T Technical support and they will give you the code free of charge, no hassles. I actually just did this today.
All they need is your Streak's IMEI, which can be found by going to the dialer and pressing *#06# .
I'm pretty sure that all they have to do is look it up in a database, so it should be a similar procedure for other carriers.
I just don't understand how people can be okay with paying for a code, when half the time it's a scam even. I absolutely *will* not pay for an unlock code, especially when I already own the device 100%, it's absolutely outrageous that people have the nerve to charge up to $100 for a code. Extremely greedy programmers, that's all it is.
Emission said:
If it's AT&T locked, all you have to do is call AT&T Technical support and they will give you the code free of charge, no hassles. I actually just did this today.
All they need is your Streak's IMEI, which can be found by going to the dialer and pressing *#06# .
I'm pretty sure that all they have to do is look it up in a database, so it should be a similar procedure for other carriers.
I just don't understand how people can be okay with paying for a code, when half the time it's a scam even. I absolutely *will* not pay for an unlock code, especially when I already own the device 100%, it's absolutely outrageous that people have the nerve to charge up to $100 for a code. Extremely greedy programmers, that's all it is.
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This may be true in most cases but for me it was not. After repeated attempts calling att and giving them the imei their computer ALWAYS came back with "UNLOCK CODE NOT FOUND". I had to pay because i didnt want to wait for my case to be resolved. Ive gotten unlock code multiple times from att for my previous phone with no issue till i got the streak.
got my code in 2 days via e-mail from at&t
Emission said:
If it's AT&T locked, all you have to do is call AT&T Technical support and they will give you the code free of charge, no hassles. I actually just did this today.
All they need is your Streak's IMEI, which can be found by going to the dialer and pressing *#06# .
I'm pretty sure that all they have to do is look it up in a database, so it should be a similar procedure for other carriers.
I just don't understand how people can be okay with paying for a code, when half the time it's a scam even. I absolutely *will* not pay for an unlock code, especially when I already own the device 100%, it's absolutely outrageous that people have the nerve to charge up to $100 for a code. Extremely greedy programmers, that's all it is.
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I woulda seriously considered paying $50-100 for a true unlock for my iphone 3g around when i purchased it, At&t wont unlock it period and you have to jailbreak + ultrasnow.
The real issue is that no american carrier is required to unlock any phone, just be glad you can get a code at all (excluding issues fast's). they could charge you for the code like other carriers elsewhere
TheManii said:
I woulda seriously considered paying $50-100 for a true unlock for my iphone 3g around when i purchased it, At&t wont unlock it period and you have to jailbreak + ultrasnow.
The real issue is that no american carrier is required to unlock any phone, just be glad you can get a code at all (excluding issues fast's). they could charge you for the code like other carriers elsewhere
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The American cell phone carriers settled a lawsuit on this. I believe that as part of the settlement is that AT&T gives unlock codes to their customers who meet certain criteria. If you call and don't meet the criteria then you've only wasted a phone call. If you buy an unlock code that does not work (which happens many times) you are out the cost. So - American carriers are required, in certain circumstances, to give you the unlock code.
If you are buying a phone from an AT&T customer have the original purchaser get the code. One thing they require is proof of legitimate ownership and it's easier for the original buyer to do this. Another requirement is that you are an AT&T customer, if you are buying a phone to use on another network you may not meet this requirement, but the original buyer will.
Historically AT&T has been pretty lenient with long term customers who ask for unlock codes for travel purposes.
I've asked about unlocking iphones when i called to unlock my streak (twice mind you) and they still wont unlock them as of jan. I bought the phone straight from them and it's contract has run though and ended.
If they do unlock them than it's definitely not though the obvious call at&t and ask for unlock code.
That and iphones dont get unlock codes per-say, they're unlocked though itunes and at&t needs to authorize it with apple or something. So either apple+at&t is an exception or it might be a case of "strongly recommend but not required for all"
I have a Sprint Galaxy S5 (SM-G900P) outside of US, need to be GSM unlocked internationaly.
I have been waiting for more than 4 months now. It seems like many others are interested as well.
So lets donate who ever will do it. (Let me start with $20.)
Current Bounty : $635
Currently active threads are...
1) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2743024
Note:
@aalyatim already found a solution for this. depend on the bounty amount, he will release that.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56213379&postcount=767
So Please post the amounts you like to pledge......
Great start...
jodhaaa said:
I have a Sprint Galaxy S5 (SM-G900P) outside of US, need to be GSM unlocked internationaly.
I have been waiting for 2 months now. It seems like many others are interested as well.
So lets donate who ever will do it. I'll give 20$ for unlock. Lets see how many others will..
Currently active threads are...
1) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2743024
2) http://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s5/general/sprint-smg900p-sim-unlock-t2831286
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Very nice! Glad to see this being offered. Everyone, keep in mind: the larger this number grows, the more potential DEVS will be interested in finding the solution.
I have a couple recommendations. @jodhaaa , it would be a good idea to check this thread regularly, and update the op with the usernames of all who have pledged, how much, and a running total of the full amount that will be offered to whomever finds the solution.
It may also be a good idea to offer a "side-bounty" for those wishing for domestic (U.S.) unlock as well.....for instance, "xdamember123" might say "I pledge $20 for international unlock, and an additional $10 for domestic unlock".
Great effort, OP - this may go a long way in developing the solution.
Good Luck, everyone :good:
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Very nice! Glad to see this being offered. Everyone, keep in mind: the larger this number grows, the more potential DEVS will be interested in finding the solution.
I have a couple recommendations. @jodhaaa , it would be a good idea to check this thread regularly, and update the op with the usernames of all who have pledged, how much, and a running total of the full amount that will be offered to whomever finds the solution.
It may also be a good idea to offer a "side-bounty" for those wishing for domestic (U.S.) unlock as well.....for instance, "xdamember123" might say "I pledge $20 for international unlock, and an additional $10 for domestic unlock".
Great effort, OP - this may go a long way in developing the solution.
Good Luck, everyone :good:
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I think that what most of us want is a domestic unlock. You can always acheive international by calling Sprint. Thats the only reason these phones also support GSM. AND if they cannot gain an international unlock thru Sprint. They shouldnt have had Sprint as carrier in the first place.
Bounty++
Crossvxm said:
I think that what most of us want is a domestic unlock. You can always acheive international by calling Sprint. Thats the only reason these phones also support GSM. AND if they cannot gain an international unlock thru Sprint. They shouldnt have had Sprint as carrier in the first place.
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There's a lot of ppl waiting for the international unlock, also the domestic unlock is going to be easy to get as soon as we geet the international one.
BTW you have $20 more to the bounty by me if someone gets the internationall unlock wich is the one i need.
Crossvxm said:
I think that what most of us want is a domestic unlock. You can always acheive international by calling Sprint. Thats the only reason these phones also support GSM. AND if they cannot gain an international unlock thru Sprint. They shouldnt have had Sprint as carrier in the first place.
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You have to keep in mind that MANY people bought the Sprint variant not knowing they couldn't simply purchase a "GSM Unlock Code" from an online merchant, due to the nature of Sprint using OMADM for the unlock....and since they are neither a Sprint Customer, nor CAN be a Sprint customer....they won't ever get unlocked by Sprint.
Such was the case for the Moto X: in fact, the majority of the "pledgers" were from outside the U.S.
Once could certainly say "they should have done their research, first", but that's not what this is about. I DO, however, agree that the domestic solution is appealing to many...
Jezielnaf said:
There's a lot of ppl waiting for the international unlock, also the domestic unlock is going to be easy to get as soon as we geet the international one.
BTW you have $20 more to the bounty by me if someone gets the internationall unlock wich is the one i need.
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I think I've seen someone make that statement before.....I'm very curious how you arrive at this logic? What leads you to believe it will be "easy" once the international solution is found? I would argue that the international unlock *should* be MUCH easier to find, since we have actual internationally-unlocked phones to compare NVDATA with...
Please explain...
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You have to keep in mind that MANY people bought the Sprint variant not knowing they couldn't simply purchase a "GSM Unlock Code" from an online merchant, due to the nature of Sprint using OMADM for the unlock....and since they are neither a Sprint Customer, nor CAN be a Sprint customer....they won't ever get unlocked by Sprint.
Such was the case for the Moto X: in fact, the majority of the "pledgers" were from outside the U.S.
Once could certainly say "they should have done their research, first", but that's not what this is about. I DO, however, agree that the domestic solution is appealing to many...
I think I've seen someone make that statement before.....I'm very curious how you arrive at this logic? What leads you to believe it will be "easy" once the international solution is found? I would argue that the international unlock *should* be MUCH easier to find, since we have actual internationally-unlocked phones to compare NVDATA with...
Please explain...
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Well that's what i say, its not easy from ppl outside the states to just call sprint and get the phone internationally unlocked, I've tried to do it and i couldn't. btw ive seen a lot of ppl saying that there's some kind of software to domestically unlock any phone, honestly im not 100% sure.
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You have to keep in mind that MANY people bought the Sprint variant not knowing they couldn't simply purchase a "GSM Unlock Code" from an online merchant, due to the nature of Sprint using OMADM for the unlock....and since they are neither a Sprint Customer, nor CAN be a Sprint customer....they won't ever get unlocked by Sprint.
Such was the case for the Moto X: in fact, the majority of the "pledgers" were from outside the U.S.
Once could certainly say "they should have done their research, first", but that's not what this is about. I DO, however, agree that the domestic solution is appealing to many...
I think I've seen someone make that statement before.....I'm very curious how you arrive at this logic? What leads you to believe it will be "easy" once the international solution is found? I would argue that the international unlock *should* be MUCH easier to find, since we have actual internationally-unlocked phones to compare NVDATA with...
Please explain...
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Yeah I guess your right. I forgot that we here in the US arent the only ones with the problem. Sadly each year we have less and less people in the Sprint forums on any phone. Sprint is getting pretty old in the game. Honestly we would need more support from outside of XDA to get the bounty more on an interest level.
Now i have to find out how to set up a paypal account.
Crossvxm said:
Yeah I guess your right. I forgot that we here in the US arent the only ones with the problem. Sadly each year we have less and less people in the Sprint forums on any phone. Sprint is getting pretty old in the game. Honestly we would need more support from outside of XDA to get the bounty more on an interest level.
Now i have to find out how to set up a paypal account.
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Keep in mind -- most DEVS will accept a donation by other means...Money order / Google Wallet, etc. You can always pledge a bounty, and work out how you will fulfill it later
Glad this is showing so much interest already!!!
Jezielnaf said:
btw ive seen a lot of ppl saying that there's some kind of software to domestically unlock any phone, honestly im not 100% sure.
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That would be great news, if true! If you hear anything further about this, let us know the details. :good:
samwathegreat said:
Very nice! Glad to see this being offered. Everyone, keep in mind: the larger this number grows, the more potential DEVS will be interested in finding the solution.
I have a couple recommendations. @jodhaaa , it would be a good idea to check this thread regularly, and update the op with the usernames of all who have pledged, how much, and a running total of the full amount that will be offered to whomever finds the solution.
It may also be a good idea to offer a "side-bounty" for those wishing for domestic (U.S.) unlock as well.....for instance, "xdamember123" might say "I pledge $20 for international unlock, and an additional $10 for domestic unlock".
Great effort, OP - this may go a long way in developing the solution.
Good Luck, everyone :good:
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Yeah ill have to look into that asap
So if this works could I use my phone on H2o? I'm thinking about leaving Spring soon
eric46201 said:
So if this works could I use my phone on H2o? I'm thinking about leaving Spring soon
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I added a Indegogo Campaign for the bounty, im willing to add any and all moderators to the campaign. ITs an all -or-nothing campaign meaning that if we dont get it done, all money is refunded.
http://www.indiegogo.com/project/preview/38ab0169
eric46201 said:
So if this works could I use my phone on H2o? I'm thinking about leaving Spring soon
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H2O is an at&t MVNO (GSM), so yes that's exactly what this is for. It would require the domestic unlock since it is a U.S. carrier, though.
$20 for the international unlock
i nee solution
unsung_hero_ said:
$20 for the international unlock
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i need solution please
do you really have solution
unsung_hero_ said:
$20 for the international unlock
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i want to spend 20 bucks to unlock my sprint S5
is there anything new about it?
Guys, this is a bounty pledge thread..
I pledged $20 for the unlock, I do NOT have the unlock solution!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using XDA Free mobile app
$20 for domestic.... has anyone set up an account for domestic?
I pledge $30
Sent from my SM-N900P using XDA Free mobile app
genesiss said:
$20 for domestic.... has anyone set up an account for domestic?
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Currently no one is focusing on a domestic unlock. Everyone is trying to do the international unlock first so no one has to contact sprint to do so.
Once an international unlock is found/developed/understood/gifted it allows the phone to at least recognize other sims. After the international unlock is performed they can focus on domestic.
Gonna try and make this short and try and not get attacked or flamed.
I've done retail and sales, managed many big retail stores and even been a district manager.
In my business, you buy something, you own it, it's yours to do whatever you want. Also, there is a return policy and depending on the issue policy can be bent in a put out the fire situation.
The phone business is not like this and I don't understand. If I buy a phone, it is mine, I own therefore why couldn't I do what I wanted. I should be able to wipe my butt with it if I wanted to.
So why do carriers treat it differently. They have the policy about rooting, so why not let the buyer do it, take the risk, and just enforce the policy.
Especially considering we buy it, it's ours and we should be able to do what we want with things we own. Just my opinion because it is retail sales which I know like the back of my hand, but the mobile side of it baffles me.
Anybody an employee or former employee who can explain why mobile phones is one of the only things you can buy but never feel like you completely own it.
Just seems not right coming from years in retail with many many companies.
The problem lies in the warranty and being able to take advantages of services without paying.
Instance 1: A noob roots their phone, bricks it, and doesn't know how to get it back to normal. They call Verizon and say their phone just died. Verizon has to spend time and money sending a replacement.
Instance 2: We have unlimited. We root and unlock free tethering. They lose on "potential" revenues. (Although we do have foxfi on the play store, but its still slow as it goes through a vpn.
I do agree that we should have full control of our devices though. Unfortunately, we can only make changes with out dollars.
Yeah I can see that but as far as warranty they will check for root so that shouldn't be a factor. I'm sure at this point that is the first thing they check.
They have to know that tethering can be exploited either way.
And my understanding is they don't care and don't make money on the phones but their service charges.
I would encourage people to root if I were them because if they did it right they would make more profit because they wouldn't have to spend money to fix it forcing buyers to have no choice but buy another.
I know it will not change but as a person familiar with making money in retail they could increase revenu .
Not counting with them having for the most part the best service and networks thousands of people would flock there to get an unlocked verizon phone.
Busines wise, if done properly they would make a killing changing their stance
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Yeah I can see that but as far as warranty they will check for root so that shouldn't be a factor. I'm sure at this point that is the first thing they check.
They have to know that tethering can be exploited either way.
And my understanding is they don't care and don't make money on the phones but their service charges.
I would encourage people to root if I were them because if they did it right they would make more profit because they wouldn't have to spend money to fix it forcing buyers to have no choice but buy another.
I know it will not change but as a person familiar with making money in retail they could increase revenu .
Not counting with them having for the most part the best service and networks thousands of people would flock there to get an unlocked verizon phone.
Busines wise, if done properly they would make a killing changing their stance
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Although i agree with everything that was said by you, the people calling the shots are probably way too old to understand that there's always a way through everything (for example root in order to get free hot spot working). The other problem is i would assume is that they can't always prove a phone was rooted. Let's say someone was trying to flash a custom rom and accidentally flashed the system leaving only the boot recovery present with no OS and they didn't know how to Odin back to stock, Verizon can't prove that the phone was rooted. For all they know maybe the user was performing an update and something happened.
Whatever the case... I wish we had full access over our devices :crying:
sprintuser1977 said:
Gonna try and make this short and try and not get attacked or flamed.
I've done retail and sales, managed many big retail stores and even been a district manager.
In my business, you buy something, you own it, it's yours to do whatever you want. Also, there is a return policy and depending on the issue policy can be bent in a put out the fire situation.
The phone business is not like this and I don't understand. If I buy a phone, it is mine, I own therefore why couldn't I do what I wanted. I should be able to wipe my butt with it if I wanted to.
So why do carriers treat it differently. They have the policy about rooting, so why not let the buyer do it, take the risk, and just enforce the policy.
Especially considering we buy it, it's ours and we should be able to do what we want with things we own. Just my opinion because it is retail sales which I know like the back of my hand, but the mobile side of it baffles me.
Anybody an employee or former employee who can explain why mobile phones is one of the only things you can buy but never feel like you completely own it.
Just seems not right coming from years in retail with many many companies.
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You can do what you want with it...but you bought a device that is locked down to increase sales to the Enterprise and Military community. You have the option of buying a developer's edition. You can certainly wipe your butt with it as you mentioned. As for your inability to root it...that is not the carrier telling you what you can't do with it...that comes in voiding the warranty...but look at it as buying a television and not being able to make a transmitter out of it. Of course you could...but it would require a lot of work and knowledge and also void the warranty. Bootloaders have been broken before and root obtained...again...with a lot of work and knowledge. The device works as advertised when sold. If you choose to purchase a device from a carrier with a history of locking them down (S4, Note 3, S5 and now the S3 with it's updates) then you are choosing to support what they are selling. Now as it is a communications device and you are in the US, there are things you cannot do with it per Federal law as stated by the FCC. But that is a whole other can of worms.
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The problem lies in the warranty and being able to take advantages of services without paying.
Instance 1: A noob roots their phone, bricks it, and doesn't know how to get it back to normal. They call Verizon and say their phone just died. Verizon has to spend time and money sending a replacement.
Instance 2: We have unlimited. We root and unlock free tethering. They lose on "potential" revenues. (Although we do have foxfi on the play store, but its still slow as it goes through a vpn.
I do agree that we should have full control of our devices though. Unfortunately, we can only make changes with out dollars.
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Foxfi works pretty good for me. Going thru a vpn doesn't slow it down for me
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Foxfi works pretty good for me. Going thru a vpn doesn't slow it down for me
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Good to hear! It must have been my location. I get 5 bars of LTE at home. I'll try it there.
KennyG123 said:
You can do what you want with it...but you bought a device that is locked down to increase sales to the Enterprise and Military community. You have the option of buying a developer's edition. You can certainly wipe your butt with it as you mentioned. As for your inability to root it...that is not the carrier telling you what you can't do with it...that comes in voiding the warranty...but look at it as buying a television and not being able to make a transmitter out of it. Of course you could...but it would require a lot of work and knowledge and also void the warranty. Bootloaders have been broken before and root obtained...again...with a lot of work and knowledge. The device works as advertised when sold. If you choose to purchase a device from a carrier with a history of locking them down (S4, Note 3, S5 and now the S3 with it's updates) then you are choosing to support what they are selling. Now as it is a communications device and you are in the US, there are things you cannot do with it per Federal law as stated by the FCC. But that is a whole other can of worms.
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Please look up the Verizon Note 4 on Verizon, and show me where in describing the product it states the phone is locked and you can not edit certain things.
I may have missed it but I saw no where on the specifications or feature list where it says that? Only a person who is familiar with rooting or bootloaders and such would know.
As far as warranty, as I said, it's a policy and if I choose to break it that is my choice.
sprintuser1977 said:
Please look up the Verizon Note 4 on Verizon, and show me where in describing the product it states the phone is locked and you can not edit certain things.
I may have missed it but I saw no where on the specifications or feature list where it says that? Only a person who is familiar with rooting or bootloaders and such would know.
As far as warranty, as I said, it's a policy and if I choose to break it that is my choice.
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Not to sound obnoxious but please look up ANY phone and show me where it says that you can root it and it has an unlocked bootloader and you are welcome to change anything you want? You are not brand new...you know what Verizon has been doing for years. There is nothing stopping you from using the phone exactly as advertised in the manual and specifications. Rooting is not an approved use of the phone and offers an extreme security breach of the software..so why would any carrier endorse it or even need to mention if you could or couldn't. Anyone that has been around for more than a year, knows that is what the developer edition is for and should be grateful that Verizon even offers that option. Also knowing you are not brand new, you would know that less than 1% of Verizon customers even know what rooting is. You see the trend, you have choices yet you still chose to support Verizon.
The original point is being ignored.
Simply put if we buy something we should be able to do whatever we want with it.
All retail is like this except phones.
All the details and other miscellaneous stuff is besides the point.
I'm just saying if we own it, we should own it
sprintuser1977 said:
The original point is being ignored.
Simply put if we buy something we should be able to do whatever we want with it.
All retail is like this except phones.
All the details and other miscellaneous stuff is besides the point.
I'm just saying if we own it, we should own it
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Sorry, but I guess I am missing the point. What is it that you wish to do with this phone that you can do with say...a television, that is listed in the specifications and features of the product you purchased?
To think that executives of Verizon are oblivious to Rooting or custom roms, you are mistaken. Just because they are older does not mean they are dumb. Phones are locked down for one reason: reduce liability on Verizon.
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KennyG123 said:
Sorry, but I guess I am missing the point. What is it that you wish to do with this phone that you can do with say...a television, that is listed in the specifications and features of the product you purchased?
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I like this. Phones are locked down to reduce liability and cost of fixing it. This is why companies like HTC will unlock your bootloader while voiding your warranty.
I can't explain it anymore simply, sorry. Here is how it could simply be done:
-I buy the phone
-I want to root the phone
-I call Verizon, tell them I want to root
-They inform me If I do, it voids the warranty and I'm out $700 if I break it
-Ok, i will take that risk
- Verizon notes the account of this, therefore no tricks on cheating the warranty policy and they unlock it
Obviously over simplified, but general idea is they should have a way For us to request it, Note it, and allow us to do it.
Anyway, regardless of how they do it I don't care, it's the fact you buy a 800 dollar phone, if I want to risk breaking it and losing $800, that should be OK as its my property.
Anyway, not going to try and get into a back and forth. I got people's take on it and that's good enough for me.
Thanks everyone for your input.
chriskader said:
To think that executives of Verizon are oblivious to Rooting or custom roms, you are mistaken. Just because they are older does not mean they are dumb. Phones are locked down for one reason: reduce liability on Verizon.
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I like this. Phones are locked down to reduce liability and cost of fixing it. This is why companies like HTC will unlock your bootloader while voiding your warranty.
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No, Verizon chose to lock down the phones to get huge corporate and military contracts by showing their version of the phone is the most secure. Of course AT&T is also doing the same fighting for those contracts.
sprintuser1977 said:
I can't explain it anymore simply, sorry. Here is how it could simply be done:
-I buy the phone
-I want to root the phone
-I call Verizon, tell them I want to root
-They inform me If I do, it voids the warranty and I'm out $700 if I break it
-Ok, i will take that risk
- Verizon notes the account of this, therefore no tricks on cheating the warranty policy and they unlock it
Obviously over simplified, but general idea is they should have a way For us to request it, Note it, and allow us to do it.
Anyway, regardless of how they do it I don't care, it's the fact you buy a 800 dollar phone, if I want to risk breaking it and losing $800, that should be OK as its my property.
Anyway, not going to try and get into a back and forth. I got people's take on it and that's good enough for me.
Thanks everyone for your input.
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I understand and there is a thread in one of the Verizon Sammy phones...Note 3 I think...where a member actually discussed with Verizon executive services the possibility of the same thing HTC did (on other carriers since Verizon locked that door too). I believe the thread is "How much would you pay for unlocking the bootloader" or something like that. He was going to get an idea of how much people would pay for this code direct from Verizon. I think the majority was $25 atm. At least he was pitching the idea to Verizon and they were hearing him out. Perhaps more can do the same?
I was just trying to say that I did not understand how the inability to root would make you feel like the phone was not yours. The PS3 systems if you play online are locked down exactly the same...you jailbreak it and you cannot get on the Playstation network to play online. So it is not just cell phones that do not allow you to do more than the manufacturer promised. I also was stating that you can certainly root and unlock it...if you had the knowledge to do so. I think we just misunderstood each other.
No biggie. I can understand all points of view and in no way was I trying to disregard or disrespect yours.
If it came across that way I apologize.
This is my first verizon phone (it was my only option due to several reasons) and I am amazed at how adamantly opposed to unlocking phones they are.
I've rooted over a dozen phones and this is the first one that I would like to root but it's good enough that if I can't I still love it
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I can't explain it anymore simply, sorry. Here is how it could simply be done:
-I buy the phone
-I want to root the phone
-I call Verizon, tell them I want to root
-They inform me If I do, it voids the warranty and I'm out $700 if I break it
-Ok, i will take that risk
- Verizon notes the account of this, therefore no tricks on cheating the warranty policy and they unlock it
Obviously over simplified, but general idea is they should have a way For us to request it, Note it, and allow us to do it.
Anyway, regardless of how they do it I don't care, it's the fact you buy a 800 dollar phone, if I want to risk breaking it and losing $800, that should be OK as its my property.
Anyway, not going to try and get into a back and forth. I got people's take on it and that's good enough for me.
Thanks everyone for your input.
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I could understand if you pay 800 but seriously of your gonna do that get dev edition as well most ppl get the phone subsidised for less then half of what the phone is woth off of contract so technically you don't own the phone as well you are right there is no where in the vzw policy that says rooting voids your warranty if you read all the rules but it is one of thoes unwritten policy's all companys go buy
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I could understand if you pay 800 but seriously of your gonna do that get dev edition as well most ppl get the phone subsidised for less then half of what the phone is woth off of contract so technically you don't own the phone as well you are right there is no where in the vzw policy that says rooting voids your warranty if you read all the rules but it is one of thoes unwritten policy's all companys go buy
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That is one of the reasons also, the fact that many phones are subsidized through a carrier, and you really don't own them 100% unless you see the contract out to the end, or pay the ETF. I still agree that the customer should be able to buy out the contract, or void their warranty and accept liability themselves for the express purpose of obtaining an unlock code to root/ROM, etc... I think that Verizon may actually go this route some day, just not any time soon.
If I had the ability to not support Verizon and their tight locking policies, I would. But, like many other people, I'm in a region where the only reliable 4G LTE connection is Verizon and Verizon Alone. I had the unlocked Tmobile Note 3 on both Tmobile AND AT&T and my signal was horrible so I was basically forced into getting a Verizon phone for the stability.
I'd like to see the government step in and loosen the grip that carriers have on consumers, though that would mean the end of subsidized phone sales, and maybe the new edge, next programs as well. Tmobile has the right idea, but once they are the size of Verizon, I bet they tighten their rules too...
KennyG123 said:
No, Verizon chose to lock down the phones to get huge corporate and military contracts by showing their version of the phone is the most secure. Of course AT&T is also doing the same fighting for those contracts.
I understand and there is a thread in one of the Verizon Sammy phones...Note 3 I think...where a member actually discussed with Verizon executive services the possibility of the same thing HTC did (on other carriers since Verizon locked that door too). I believe the thread is "How much would you pay for unlocking the bootloader" or something like that. He was going to get an idea of how much people would pay for this code direct from Verizon. I think the majority was $25 atm. At least he was pitching the idea to Verizon and they were hearing him out. Perhaps more can do the same?
I was just trying to say that I did not understand how the inability to root would make you feel like the phone was not yours. The PS3 systems if you play online are locked down exactly the same...you jailbreak it and you cannot get on the Playstation network to play online. So it is not just cell phones that do not allow you to do more than the manufacturer promised. I also was stating that you can certainly root and unlock it...if you had the knowledge to do so. I think we just misunderstood each other.
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I do not agree about contracts. Phones can be sold to the government that are locked down, KNOX EMM helps with this substantially.
The ability to unlock my bootloader, however, can be sold or marketed along side that. Phones can be wiped when the BL is unlocked officially (fastbootx, etc). Instead, the dev community is forced to find exploits, thus weakening the phones "secure market value". Official unlock that wipes phone or an unofficial exploit that puts all phones at risk? I would rather have the option to officially unlock and void my warranty. However, I understand the stance of some carriers and manufactures for locking it down. Reduce liability for busted phones.
Government agencies also encrypt phones and discipline unauthorized usage.
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I do not agree about contracts. Phones can be sold to the government that are locked down, KNOX EMM helps with this substantially.
The ability to unlock my bootloader, however, can be sold or marketed along side that. Phones can be wiped when the BL is unlocked officially (fastbootx, etc). Instead, the dev community is forced to find exploits, thus weakening the phones "secure market value". Official unlock that wipes phone or an unofficial exploit that puts all phones at risk? I would rather have the option to officially unlock and void my warranty. However, I understand the stance of some carriers and manufactures for locking it down. Reduce liability for busted phones.
Government agencies also encrypt phones and discipline unauthorized usage.
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Since the community that roots their phones and actually breaks them and returns for warranty is probably in the neighborhood of 0.1% I doubt that has much impact on the decision of Verizon and AT&T to lock down the bootloader....if that was successfully the idea Sprint and T-Mobile would have done the same. I agree that for you Verizon users an alternative of paying to unlock your bootloader and listing the warranty as void would be a great offering...petition Verizon to consider that.
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Since the community that roots their phones and actually breaks them and returns for warranty is probably in the neighborhood of 0.1% I doubt that has much impact on the decision of Verizon and AT&T to lock down the bootloader....if that was successfully the idea Sprint and T-Mobile would have done the same. I agree that for you Verizon users an alternative of paying to unlock your bootloader and listing the warranty as void would be a great offering...petition Verizon to consider that.
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The petition thing is a great idea , and as I also said they could easily implement a way to offer it and track it.
The biggest problem with this whole issue is education as you are right, most people are not aware of exactly the reasons of rooting, what it even means, what they are giving up with bloated and locked down phones, or anything related to just how much privacy they do not have. I have thrown out information to people on my Facebook page and they had no clue.
As far as starting a petition, that is something I have never done before.
Does anyone have a suggestion for starting one, where to start it, or any info at all?
I would definitely do it if someone will head me in the right direction
This can probably be ported to the Turbo since it works on a 2014 X
http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/02/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
https://github.com/laginimaineb/Alohamora
Beaups exploit could be redone as well. He released how. It's mostly no one is doing it.
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This can probably be ported to the Turbo since it works on a 2014 X
http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/02/unlocking-motorola-bootloader.html
https://github.com/laginimaineb/Alohamora
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The vulnerability he is using is old (he first disclosed it ~6 months ago) and does not apply to the turbo.
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Beaups exploit could be redone as well. He released how. It's mostly no one is doing it.
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Right. Droid Turbo owners don't need a "new" exploit. The one being used still works!
If someone doesn't like paying for the packaged solution (Sunshine) that contains that exploit, then repackage it. It's been publicly released.
Oh, but re-coding would require work!
However, the payment in this case is fair to reward the time and money the devs invested. Without them, there would be no solution.
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Right. Droid Turbo owners don't need a "new" exploit. The one being used still works!
If someone doesn't like paying for the packaged solution (Sunshine) that contains that exploit, then repackage it. It's been publicly released.
Oh, but re-coding would require work!
However, the payment in this case is fair to reward the time and money the devs invested. Without them, there would be no solution.
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Amen
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I don't really understand the complaints coming from people about the charge for sunshine unlock. I was happy to find out that I could unlock/root with a few clicks and not worry about doing all the leg work, especially considering I don't have the skill set required to be confident of not brick in my device with a more extensive unlock/root process.
Time is money and some individual(s) put time into developing something that some people are happy to have access to and pay for. Simple fact is, if you have an issue with paying for such a thing, then don't... But don't hate on the guys that are profiting from a skill set that not everyone is capable of, especially if said hater isn't capable or willing to provide an equally usable product.
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rg449 said:
I don't really understand the complaints coming from people about the charge for sunshine unlock. I was happy to find out that I could unlock/root with a few clicks and not worry about doing all the leg work, especially considering I don't have the skill set required to be confident of not brick in my device with a more extensive unlock/root process.
Time is money and some individual(s) put time into developing something that some people are happy to have access to and pay for. Simple fact is, if you have an issue with paying for such a thing, then don't... But don't hate on the guys that are profiting from a skill set that not everyone is capable of, especially if said hater isn't capable or willing to provide an equally usable product.
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The problem people have had with Sunshine is that root/bootloader unlock methods have traditionally been given for free—because they've been easier to crack.
Recently hacking has become more and more difficult—which makes developers have to spend more, and want more to make up for their losses on modding.
tecsironman said:
Amen
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rg449 said:
I don't really understand the complaints coming from people about the charge for sunshine unlock. I was happy to find out that I could unlock/root with a few clicks and not worry about doing all the leg work, especially considering I don't have the skill set required to be confident of not brick in my device with a more extensive unlock/root process.
Time is money and some individual(s) put time into developing something that some people are happy to have access to and pay for. Simple fact is, if you have an issue with paying for such a thing, then don't... But don't hate on the guys that are profiting from a skill set that not everyone is capable of, especially if said hater isn't capable or willing to provide an equally usable product.
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Agreed!
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The problem people have had with Sunshine is that root/bootloader unlock methods have traditionally been given for free—because they've been easier to crack.
Recently hacking has become more and more difficult—which makes developers have to spend more, and want more to make up for their losses on modding.
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See Above! You get way more value for $20 then was ever given for free... and just because something used to be given away does not imply that it will continue to be in the future. Smart phones are still a relatively new product in the market and with Dev's who have now been through years of the exploiting, modifying, retiring cycle, there has to be incentive for them to stay engaged.
Additionally, I'll remind you that it hasn't been long since bounties were the norm. Everybody would post their promise to pay before and during development, then an exploit would be found and the bounty threads would clear out. Can't blame them for getting wise about collecting.
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Agreed!
See Above! You get way more value for $20 then was ever given for free... and just because something used to be given away does not imply that it will continue to be in the future. Smart phones are still a relatively new product in the market and with Dev's who have now been through years of the exploiting, modifying, retiring cycle, there has to be incentive for them to stay engaged.
Additionally, I'll remind you that it hasn't been long since bounties were the norm. Everybody would post their promise to pay before and during development, then an exploit would be found and the bounty threads would clear out. Can't blame them for getting wise about collecting.
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Actually, no you don't get more for paid methods. It's a one time unlock, and is device specific.
Let me reiterate that I am in no way complaining about Sunshine. I love the devs' work on our devices.
What I'm saying is that people's disappointment is understandable.
However, the devs already published the exploits and documents; all that's left is for someone to use them.
People have nothing to complain about now.
I get your point and I am in agreement with you. I didn't mean to imply that I'm not.
I'd like to clarify though, what I meant when I said you get more is that downloading an apk, pressing a few buttons, and spending all of 3 minutes to be unlocked is far simpler than it ever was in the past. I'm just pointing out that they went the extra mile to build an apk that's simple and elegant and does the heavy lifting for you whereas in the past we had to boot to recovery, flash, boot to boot loader, run adb, etc. The threads were full of people stuck and confused. Sunshine adds great value to the less savvy user and at least simplicity for the more savvy users.
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mng777777 said:
I get your point and I am in agreement with you. I didn't mean to imply that I'm not.
I'd like to clarify though, what I meant when I said you get more is that downloading an apk, pressing a few buttons, and spending all of 3 minutes to be unlocked is far simpler than it ever was in the past. I'm just pointing out that they went the extra mile to build an apk that's simple and elegant and does the heavy lifting for you whereas in the past we had to boot to recovery, flash, boot to boot loader, run adb, etc. The threads were full of people stuck and confused. Sunshine adds great value to the less savvy user and at least simplicity for the more savvy users.
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That is great to see as well; however, that makes development that much harder, and o know for a fact the people that whine about Sunshine's cost would deal with the difficulty of using fastboot and adb in order to save $25.
It is great, however, for less experienced people, and it's overall function. $25 is a steal for a fully moddifable device that was locked down so well.
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That is great to see as well; however, that makes development that much harder, and o know for a fact the people that whine about Sunshine's cost would deal with the difficulty of using fastboot and adb in order to save $25.
It is great, however, for less experienced people, and it's overall function. $25 is a steal for a fully modifiable device that was locked down so well.
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This response below is not necessarily directed towards you, but really for the entire discussion in this thread. I'm just quoting your post as it's a good point to continue the discussion.
1) I can't believe people who are buying $600 phones are complaining about $25 bootloader unlock. And I don't care if you got the phone for $200 on contract or even as a "free upgrade". You are STILL paying $600 for the phone over the course of the contract.
2) No one is forcing anyone to pay for bootloader unlock. Your phone will still work like when you bought it, and you bought locked down.
If you bought this phone, you knew it was locked down and bought it anyway (or should have known). Everyone knows Verizon locks down their phones. Don't buy a Verizon phone if you don't like Verizon's policies. (The XT1250 has free bootloader unlock and is the Droid Turbo under another name, same bands, etc and runs on Verizon. So, I don't want to hear that you NEED Verizon. You may need Verizon but you don't need Verizon phones. Look at the non-Verizon Nexus 6 as another example.) This phone went for an entire YEAR locked down, and people are complaining when there's finally a solution?
3) Someone mentioned the bounty threads.
Droid Turbo Bootloader unlock bounty reached over $5,000 before the op stopped counting.
Running Total: $5,140 for bootloader unlock / $3,370 for root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-unlock-bootloader-root-turbo-t2927958
It was actually MORE, but the op gave up counting. Go look at the first post and read some of the amounts... user names are listed.
I want to know if everyone who who pledged $25, $50, $100, even $200 actually bought Sunshine? If they didn't, then they had no intention of ever paying anyway. Sunshine is a way to put your money where your mouth is.
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4) I think people should rant more towards Verizon than devs who overcome Verizon's shortsightedness.
There's no valid reason to lock down the bootloader. None of the other Motorola Quarks have that condition -- same hardware, in at least one case the EXACT SAME FCC ID. Ever since the FCC made Verizon open up their LTE network to other phones not certified by Verizon (the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx -- the XT1254 Droid Turbo clone -- runs just fine on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, as does a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6) and made Verizon also open up their phones to work on OTHER LTE networks (many people are running the XT1254 Droid Turbo on AT&T and T-mobile), what are Verizon's justifications?
Unlocking the bootloader through Motorola -- as I have done with two of my three Quarks -- acknowledges you are voiding any warranty claims. So, that's actually LESS liability and cost for Verizon in support if they allowed users to unlock bootloader. It's a nonsensical leftover from a bygone era when Verizon tried to lock their devices to only their network.
Until Verizon realizes they need change their intransigence, we need devs to help. And for devs to invest tremendous time and money, they need to be reimbursed for bricked phones and time invested they could be doing other things.
ChazzMatt said:
This response below is not necessarily directed towards you, but really for the entire discussion in this thread. I'm just quoting your post as it's a good point to continue the discussion.
1) I can't believe people who are buying $600 phones are complaining about $25. And I don't care if you got it for $200 on contract or even as a "free upgrade". You are STILL paying $600 for the phone over the course of the contract.
2) No one is forcing them to pay it. Everyone knows Verizon locks down their phones. Don't buy a Verizon phone if you don't like Verizon's policies. (The XT1250 has free bootloader unlock and is the Droid Turbo under another name, same bands, etc and runs on Verizon. So, I don't want to hear that you NEED Verizon. You may need Verizon but you don't need Verizon phones. Look at the non-Verizon Nexus 6 as another example.) This phone went for an entire YEAR locked down, and people are complaining when there's finally a solution?
3) Someone mentioned the bounty threads.
Droid Turbo Bootloader unlock bounty reached over $5,000 before the op stopped counting.
Running Total: $5,140 for bootloader unlock / $3,370 for root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-unlock-bootloader-root-turbo-t2927958
It was actually MORE, but the op gave up counting. Go look at the first post and read some of the amounts... user names are listed.
I want to know if everyone who who pledged $25, $50, $100, even $200 actually bought Sunshine? If they didn't, then they had no intention of ever paying anyway. Sunshine is a way to put your money where your mouth is.
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4) I think people should rant more towards Verizon than devs who overcome Verizon's shortsightedness.
There's no valid reason to lock down the bootloader. None of the other Motorola Quarks have that condition -- same hardware, in at least one case the EXACT SAME FCC ID. Ever since the FCC made Verizon open up their LTE network to other phones not certified by Verizon (the XT1250 U.S. Moto Maxx -- the XT1254 Droid Turbo clone -- runs just fine on Verizon with a Verizon sim card, as does a non-Verizon Moto Nexus 6) and made Verizon also open up their phones to work on OTHER LTE networks (many people are running the XT1254 Droid Turbo on AT&T and T-mobile), what are Verizon's justifications?
Unlocking the bootloader through Motorola -- as I have done with two of my three Quarks -- acknowledges you are voiding any warranty claims. So, that's actually LESS liability and cost for Verizon in support. It's a nonsensical leftover from a bygone era when Verizon tried to lock their devices to only their network.
Until Verizon realizes they need change their intransigence, we need devs to help. And for devs to invest tremendous time and money, they need to be reimbursed for bricked phones and time invested they could be doing other things.
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One reason I love Motorola is because of their near-stock Android with actually useful enhancements, and the fact that you can unlock their devices straight from them.
Had I researched and known that the Verizon XT1254 was locked down before purchasing it, I might've gone for another one.
But hey, I got a wicked deal on a $270 blue Turbo, AND we got Sunshine like a month after. I got some serious luck.
ChazzMatt said:
Droid Turbo Bootloader unlock bounty reached over $5,000 before the op stopped counting.
Running Total: $5,140 for bootloader unlock / $3,370 for root access
http://forum.xda-developers.com/droid-turbo/general/bounty-unlock-bootloader-root-turbo-t2927958
It was actually MORE, but the op gave up counting. Go look at the first post and read some of the amounts... user names are listed.
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For the most part bounties don't pay, more often than not it costs me more to buy the phones than I got from the bounties. Exception being the first motorola bounty I collected
jcase said:
For the most part bounties don't pay, more often than not it costs me more to buy the phones than I got from the bounties. Exception being the first motorola bounty I collected
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Out of curiosity. Did sunshine's $25 a pop pay off well? Mind you I'm not asking for dollars and cents. Merely is it a hobby that funds itself. Or a hobby that doesn't? Or is it actually a source of income?
I'm often curious the stats of bootloader unlocks/roots performed but in this instance that would be an invasion of privacy...
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Out of curiosity. Did sunshine's $25 a pop pay off well? Mind you I'm not asking for dollars and cents. Merely is it a hobby that funds itself. Or a hobby that doesn't? Or is it actually a source of income?
I'm often curious the stats of bootloader unlocks/roots performed but in this instance that would be an invasion of privacy...
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SunShine funds further research, its not my job, much of the research goes no where, much of it results in dead phones, sometimes it works out. Would be right for me to discuss numbers, I'm not the only one involved.
Hi,
has anyone used the BYOD one year of free service on sprint? I'm currently with USmobile, and apparently that makes me eligible for this plan. That'd basically pay for the phone in savings, which sounds great, but I'm wondering if anyone else has used it? Anything that one would have to take into account taking the unlocked Essential Phone to Sprint?
i have the bYOD free year using sprint and now with the essential phone. I switched over from my pixel.
I am however getting a terrible signal and non existent 4g speeds, currently researching to see if i can do anything about this! Right now, i wish i had my pixel still...
i did byod with an essential phone... and it must have relocked it. when going into settings to unlock (while on the free plan and after waiting the required time frame) it would not unlock. i tried contacting customer support and it said it could only be unlocked by the original owner. then after more back and forth said it was already unlocked. so what i determined was putting it back on sprint RE-locked it, but their system was so messy that it showed it as unlocked.
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i did byod with an essential phone... and it must have relocked it. when going into settings to unlock (while on the free plan and after waiting the required time frame) it would not unlock. i tried contacting customer support and it said it could only be unlocked by the original owner. then after more back and forth said it was already unlocked. so what i determined was putting it back on sprint RE-locked it, but their system was so messy that it showed it as unlocked.
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Yikes, that's some ****ed up ****... I'm on the sprint plan now, how do I figure out whether they locked my phone? Also, how is that even possible, wth?
dsip said:
Yikes, that's some ****ed up ****... I'm on the sprint plan now, how do I figure out whether they locked my phone? Also, how is that even possible, wth?
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there was a sale, sprint was selling them for $150, and you could pay it off early, unlock them and leave sprint. a lot of people did that, and then later sprint changed the terms of having to wait x amount of days to unlock them. my first one was probably one of these (got it off ebay). It might only involve those that were sold at that greatly discounted price. easiest way to tell if it is still unlocked is to put a different carrier sim and see what happens, otherwise look for something called uicc unlock. i think if it is relocked you have to wait 45 days to unlock it. I eventually gave up asking sprint customer support, and just did this https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=75994498&postcount=360 to unlock it