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Youtube quality not HD

I noticed on an ipod touch 4, that the quality was HD.
I wonder why the the quality on the Android devices play in HQ.
Side by side, makes me cry to see what I am lacking.
Just odd Google's major product plays better on a non-Google device.
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I haven't used YoutTube App much BUT is there a point of playing it at higher quality?
480p = 640 x 480
480p = 704 x 480
our screens = 800 x 480
The benefit we get from 720p -> 480p is fairly minimum as you can see :/

Kinda making this up, but it might be because of the higher resolution display that the iphone and itouch have.
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yea the iphone 4 and ipod touch 4 does have a higher resolution

But when you're watching on a 4" screen does it really matter? Not trying to watch a movie off Youtube after all.
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gTen said:
I haven't used YoutTube App much BUT is there a point of playing it at higher quality?
480p = 640 x 480
480p = 704 x 480
our screens = 800 x 480
The benefit we get from 720p -> 480p is fairly minimum as you can see :/
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que? are those resolutions the old crappy TV lines that werent really even 480i?
480p= 720x480
720p ( i assume you meant) = 1280x720
So if our phones are 800x480, 480p would be a better image than a scaled 720p, I seriously doubt our phones have the scalers of most modern TVs or Monitors. Native resolution is pretty much always better. (the widescreen images being letterboxed 480p like out of a dvd player).
Yeah they have amazing, almost unnecessary resolution for a 3.5" screen. Great for text readability, but so is SAMOLED
So anyways, if a 960x640 (apple) device is actually defaulting to scaling 720p down, theyre actually shooting themselves in the foot... unless their scaler is a faroudja... but with iOS its all about status, so having that little indicator on the screen say HD, even though the device falls a bit short of actually delivering, and degrading the image by scaling when it is not necessary on such a small device (any phone), it just makes us look better . Wow, im used to having these discussions relating to CRT projectors, not phones So yeah, stick to native resolution or smaller.
That said, if our TV out option worked, then 720p or whatever the best output is would be a good default, if that option were plugged in.

ungovernable1977 said:
que? are those resolutions the old crappy TV lines that werent really even 480i?
480p= 720x480
720p ( i assume you meant) = 1280x720
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I meant what I meant but I forgot one 720 x 480..there are multiple standards for 480p based on the sample such as4:3 (640x480)..

ungovernable1977 said:
que? are those resolutions the old crappy TV lines that werent really even 480i?
480p= 720x480
720p ( i assume you meant) = 1280x720
So if our phones are 800x480, 480p would be a better image than a scaled 720p, I seriously doubt our phones have the scalers of most modern TVs or Monitors. Native resolution is pretty much always better. (the widescreen images being letterboxed 480p like out of a dvd player).
Yeah they have amazing, almost unnecessary resolution for a 3.5" screen. Great for text readability, but so is SAMOLED
So anyways, if a 960x640 (apple) device is actually defaulting to scaling 720p down, theyre actually shooting themselves in the foot... unless their scaler is a faroudja... but with iOS its all about status, so having that little indicator on the screen say HD, even though the device falls a bit short of actually delivering, and degrading the image by scaling when it is not necessary on such a small device (any phone), it just makes us look better . Wow, im used to having these discussions relating to CRT projectors, not phones So yeah, stick to native resolution or smaller.
That said, if our TV out option worked, then 720p or whatever the best output is would be a good default, if that option were plugged in.
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Regardless of the quality the iphone degrades, it still looks better...that's what he meant lol so if it looks better with a scaled down 720p, imagine regular 720p
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I am not talking about the resolution of the screen. I realize the iphone/ipod have higher res than our phones, and that relates to the sharpness. But I am talking about the actual content quality is actually much higher definition, as it takes longer to buffer because of this aswell. I know the Android app is better overall vs IOS version.
I watch alot of HD [HQ on our phones] of car videos and such, and yes it bothers me that it is not the best it can.
Not anything worth whining about Would be cool if we had [3g/mobile] [HQ] and [HD] options.
This is XDA, maybe we can hack it lol
*Thanks for all the replies by the way

Duh, been too long since I dealt with SD... you are correct.
But as far as 'looks good', its subjective, and looking at my friends touch, I really dont think video is even close... text is awesome... but theres too many factors, such as were you using youtube apps, or the actual site? Really though, I guess it boils down that you really prefer resolution over color, clarity, etc of the samoleds.... But everyone has their preference, I still prefer my Barco 808s projector running 720p CRT at 120" over most 1080p TVs... But to be fair most TVs are crap...

hayabusa1300cc said:
I am not talking about the resolution of the screen. I realize the iphone/ipod have higher res than our phones, and that relates to the sharpness. But I am talking about the actual content quality is actually much higher definition, as it takes longer to buffer because of this aswell. I know the Android app is better overall vs IOS version.
I watch alot of HD [HQ on our phones] of car videos and such, and yes it bothers me that it is not the best it can.
Not anything worth whining about Would be cool if we had [3g/mobile] [HQ] and [HD] options.
This is XDA, maybe we can hack it lol
*Thanks for all the replies by the way
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Yeah I noticed that too,compared even to my old iphone 3gs I just watch youtube videos using Dolphin Hd browser with AdobeAir flash installed,quality is definetly better than on YouTube app.

What I'm more concerned with now is actually watching a youtube video and not watching 3 seconds of it, it skipping, and then having to start over because it fails to load completely

The old youtube app was horrible and would always do that but the new one has been awesome so far.

Yea that's true, the new is way better for reliability lol
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download a program called tubemate from the market. its free.
when you use this app, you browse it just like you would youtube , but when you watch a video you have 2 options. watch or download. when you watch it steams in poor quality, however if you download you can play it back in HD. its pretty cool. you can even download 720p ( on 4g its pretty quick)

1080p recording is zoomed :/

Check it out , from minute 1:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxeFQ6U4uRM&feature=player_embedded

The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...

darksaber73 said:
The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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i read about the iphone doing the same but i have no clue

ya read that too on gsmarena.. hope they fix it by release time.

It isn't a really terrible issue,but i can't help but keep wondering what's the reason for that zoom.
It wasn't solved on iphone 4 so i guess there's a "deep and technical" reason beyond that.

Maybe the 1080p doesn't divide well into the 8 megapixel camera for easy conversion, so they make the viewable area slightly smaller so it is a nice multiple of the 1080p, because the processor can't handle the load otherwise. Shot in the dark.

Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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MikeyMike01 said:
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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i doubt it because you cannot display full 720p either ie 1280x720 but it doesnt crop/zoom that image when you video record..

darksaber73 said:
The iPhone 4 does the same,i wonder what is the reason for that...
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No it doesnt. Double tap your screen and it zooms out.

MikeyMike01 said:
Could it be that you can't display a full 1920x1080 video in a 800x480 screen?
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Naturally it is so and also logical !
How should a 800 x 480 pixel screen show full resolution of 1080 p ? It is not possible physically. Only via HML on the TV-screen You will have full HD res.

troed said:
Naturally it is so and also logical !
How should a 800 x 480 pixel screen show full resolution of 1080 p ? It is not possible physically. Only via HML on the TV-screen You will have full HD res.
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but how can it display 1280x720?

Chad_Petree said:
but how can it display 1280x720?
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1) Scale 1280x720 to 800x480, in which case you get an aspect ratio error of 1% which is more than acceptable.
2) Scale 1280x720 to 800x450 and pad the rest with black bars.
Is that what was asked?

For comparison purposes, my Captivate does this also. 720x480 is zoomed; 1280x720 is zoomed further.

martino2k6 said:
1) Scale 1280x720 to 800x480, in which case you get an aspect ratio error of 1% which is more than acceptable.
2) Scale 1280x720 to 800x450 and pad the rest with black bars.
Is that what was asked?
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450? did you watch the video? the problem seems to be only in 1080p and as far i know 720p and 1080p have the same aspect ratio

Chad_Petree said:
450? did you watch the video? the problem seems to be only in 1080p and as far i know 720p and 1080p have the same aspect ratio
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450 because it will be the same AR. Anyway, apologies. I should have read further back to see what the actual problem behind the discussion was.

Do we know the reason for this? All of the retail units are doing it.

Its simply a lower viewing angle at higher resolutions, its not that uncommon on video recording devices.

not sure I understand?
The youtube video in the OP shows RECORDING, not playback, right?
When it records in 1080p, the screen shows a zoomed in picture.
This is because the phone cannot take raw 1920x1080 video stream from the camera, and at the same time be encoding it as 1080p and saving it to memory, and downscaling that raw 1920x1080 stream to 800x480 to display on screen. This phone is powerful, but not that powerful. Or maybe that youtube video was of not final software.

Yes it's zoomed, and that's a hack to make it possible to record 1080p.
They've basically just cut off the pixels on the side, and are using 1920x1080 pixels from the centre of the camera's sensor.
This way, it doesn't have to process the "extra" pixels on the side, do pixel binning etc. The sensor is decent enough that 1080p still looks crisp at native res.

Rawat said:
Yes it's zoomed, and that's a hack to make it possible to record 1080p.
They've basically just cut off the pixels on the side, and are using 1920x1080 pixels from the centre of the camera's sensor.
This way, it doesn't have to process the "extra" pixels on the side, do pixel binning etc. The sensor is decent enough that 1080p still looks crisp at native res.
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Ahh that is what they were showing Makes sense, just like the iP4 then - thanks for the explanation.

Best 1080p video to show off screen on SGS2

I was just thinking now that the phone should be hitting people's hands soon, it would be good to discuss the best 1080p video to have on the phone when you get the inevitable question from others such as what is the screen like? Or How is it playing movies?
Does anyone have links to stunning videos that we can download and use?
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digitaldw said:
I was just thinking now that the phone should be hitting people's hands soon, it would be good to discuss the best 1080p video to have on the phone when you get the inevitable question from others such as what is the screen like? Or How is it playing movies?
Does anyone have links to stunning videos that we can download and use?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWh9QHCRdZg&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCTK7DEEJk&feature=related

I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.

dhruvmalik said:
I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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That is exactly it!
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dhruvmalik said:
I think he meant having some demo of HD Videos to show off the quality of the screen. Not videos taken from the phone it self.
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Here it is a little
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKQN2hG7z0g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xbzXbCj_aw&feature=related

A blu-ray rip of any Pixar movie.

drleospaceman said:
A blu-ray rip of any Pixar movie.
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or Avatar, Benjamin Button, Inception etc.

this is the most stupid thread of all time

virussnake said:
this is the most stupid thread of all time
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lol, looking at youtube "not" HD movies to see if the HD movie on the phone looks ok

This is a very bad example, to trully show the screen quality the videos should be converted at the max resolution of the screen.
Puting bigger resolution videos than the max native screen res will result in pixelation, because the phone then has to convert the video in realtime which is a much worse conversion than first doing it with a decent software and then displaying it on the screen without need for picture rescaling.

TheWarKeeper said:
This is a very bad example, to trully show the screen quality the videos should be converted at the max resolution of the screen.
Puting bigger resolution videos than the max native screen res will result in pixelation, because the phone then has to convert the video in realtime which is a much worse conversion than first doing it with a decent software and then displaying it on the screen without need for picture rescaling.
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a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.

kreoXDA said:
a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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indeed, ppl see "HD" on screens or phones these days and automatically think it means the screen has 1920*1080resolution

kreoXDA said:
a voice of reason. I got tired saying this. a good quality 480p (standard resolution) video will play the best on SGS2 , to fully and natively fill the 480x800 screen.
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not to be a **** but isn't 480i standard resolution and 480p the first step towards hd? again could be completely daft but that's my understanding.
like i = interleaved, p = progressive
thus
p > i ?

teh_pwnage said:
not to be a **** but isn't 480i standard resolution and 480p the first step towards hd? again could be completely daft but that's my understanding.
like i = interleaved, p = progressive
thus
p > i ?
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I would call 480i an interface, not a resolution.
Most standard DVDs (and all modern standard DVDs) have video on them with 480 lines of resolution (480p). Some earlier DVD players (like from 10-15 years ago) could only send that 480 lines of data to TV interleaved (240 lines one frame, 240 next frame). All modern DVDs connected with component or HDMI send the unaltered 480p to the TV.
In phones, you use progressive by design (every frame is shown as full 480 lines of picture)
When you take a 1080p bluray and send that 1080p video to phone straight away, your phone will downconvert 1080p to 480p to show on a 480x800 screen. That downconversion process will produce WORSE resulting picture than a studio-cut original 480p standard DVD.

kreoXDA said:
I would call 480i an interface, not a resolution.
Most standard DVDs (and all modern standard DVDs) have video on them with 480 lines of resolution (480p). Some earlier DVD players (like from 10-15 years ago) could only send that 480 lines of data to TV interleaved (240 lines one frame, 240 next frame). All modern DVDs connected with component or HDMI send the unaltered 480p to the TV.
In phones, you use progressive by design (every frame is shown as full 480 lines of picture)
When you take a 1080p bluray and send that 1080p video to phone straight away, your phone will downconvert 1080p to 480p to show on a 480x800 screen. That downconversion process will produce WORSE resulting picture than a studio-cut original 480p standard DVD.
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alright that's just how I understood it... that and an xbox 360 running on my old 32 inch tube tv won't give me a resolution higher then 480i lol
Edit: another question though... does 480 lines necessarily mean it's 480p? I though it also had something to do with the post processing done on the monitor as well?

teh_pwnage said:
alright that's just how I understood it... that and an xbox 360 running on my old 32 inch tube tv won't give me a resolution higher then 480i lol
Edit: another question though... does 480 lines necessarily mean it's 480p? I though it also had something to do with the post processing done on the monitor as well?
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If your TV is capable of physically addressing 480 lines on the screen, it DOES have resolution of 480. However if the circuitry can only produce those 480 lines in two passes by 240 lines, each pass showing every other line, then you are seeing 480i picture.
CRT TVs where a ray is used to quickly draw every single line, and that ray is not quick enough to draw 480 lines for every single frame, it would use 480i to show half frame each time.
480 lines for each frame are stored on your DVD. If you connect DVD player to TV with a composite cable you can only pass 480i signal. Same if your TV can only accept composite, or produce interlaced picture.for any reasons (see CRT example above).
With phones, you are not passing signal over any cables, and LCD/oled screens have enough power in the hardware to show all 480 lines at each frame. So you always use P in phones for videos.

kreoXDA said:
If your TV is capable of physically addressing 480 lines on the screen, it DOES have resolution of 480. However if the circuitry can only produce those 480 lines in two passes by 240 lines, each pass showing every other line, then you are seeing 480i picture.
CRT TVs where a ray is used to quickly draw every single line, and that ray is not quick enough to draw 480 lines for every single frame, it would use 480i to show half frame each time.
480 lines for each frame are stored on your DVD. If you connect DVD player to TV with a composite cable you can only pass 480i signal. Same if your TV can only accept composite, or produce interlaced picture.for any reasons (see CRT example above).
With phones, you are not passing signal over any cables, and LCD/oled screens have enough power in the hardware to show all 480 lines at each frame. So you always use P in phones for videos.
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True but i would like to add that 480i not a simple limitation of CRT, there are hundreds of CRT out there who display resolution of 2048x1536.
The main problem was the bandwidth of the cables themselves and not by the CRT technology.
The 480i is indeed long gone, it was used when analog signals were simply not prepared to output such a high definition, therefor to overcome that situation, tvs were made with an interlaced technology, basically displaying the same frame twice on different vlines of the screen, giving you the illusion that the image was beying displayed at a bigger resolution, even though it wasnt.
So he is correct when he says 480p as a more standard resolution than 480i, especially since we live in 2011 now and Interlaced imo is not really a true resolution.
Think of 1280*720p vs 1920*1080i, alot of ppl would prefer 1280*720p over the interlaced especially since lcds cant handle interlaced outputs as good as crts can.

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I'd just like to point out that I'm not completely retarded.... hell I'm a Computer Systems Engineering Student (what would happen if Electronics Engineering and Software Engineering had a kid) I know how CRT works lol I was just asking out of clarification no need to make a guy feel dumb

teh_pwnage said:
I'd just like to point out that I'm not completely retarded.... hell I'm a Computer Systems Engineering Student (what would happen if Electronics Engineering and Software Engineering had a kid) I know how CRT works lol I was just asking out of clarification no need to make a guy feel dumb
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i dont know how we made you feel dumb, youve asked a question, weve answeared it unbiased, with facts, thats all.

Getting 1080 resolution on 720p TV

Ok, before you say anything, I know 1080 can't physically fit in a 720 resolution. The reason I ask is because my Vizio Blu-ray/Internet player automatically detects the display as 1920x1080 (the TV allows this, showing the resolution box in the corner and the picture being nice and crisp. It looks pixelated and letters are jagged in 720p).
My computer, however, only detects the TV in it's native resolution of 1360 x 768 (or was it 1366?). If my blu-ray player can pull it off, what is limiting my computer from doing the same? (The option to go to 1080 isn't available and a custom resolution in the Nvidia CP looks downright awful)

Most 720p TVs are also capable of 1080i (interlaced; 'p' stands for Progressive, and describes the way that every pixel is sent in every frame). 1080i is actually 540p x2, that is it's 540 lines (half of 1080) sent per frame, with the other half sent in the next frame. This works because 1080p is about twice the pixels of 720p, incidentlaly.
Depending on how you choose to look at this, that's either half the framerate, or half the resolution. Realistically, you should get better quality out of the 720p, even though it's being upsampled slightly; the 1080i is being downsampled quite aggressively so you lose most of the "1080" benefit, while the downsides of interlacing are still present.
I don't believe Windows supports interlaced display modes, only progressive. However, since Windows accurately detects the TV's true resolution of 1366x768 (which is slightly more than 720p, and is used because there are a lot of displays made that are 768 pixels tall), you will have neither upsampling nor downsamling; everything should be as crisp as the TV is capable of displaying, and at the native framerate.

TRUE 4k virtual cinema VR with Z5P incoming

i was SO frustrated looking at similar threads here and around the web so i got in touch with CMOAR virtual cinema and asked them if its rendering 4k or just upscaling from 1080p.
It seems like it's just upscaled BUT since in the past they talked about the chance to have it run at TRUE 4k...they answered me and said:
we have prepared special build with 4k support (Rendering in 4k), fps are of course low but I think we will prepare build for public, because we know that many people just like us want to test it
Please send us a reminder at the end of the month
So get ready. We will FINALLY be able to see TRUE 4k. Maybe at 15fps..but that will be the best chance we had so far..in VR. I think there could be the chance to play a movie in the void theater at good fps.
but the main question i have left is...why didn't you do the same months ago?! I would have done it instantly if i had the phone!

d3stroyah said:
i was SO frustrated looking at similar threads here and around the web so i got in touch with CMOAR virtual cinema and asked them if its rendering 4k or just upscaling from 1080p.
It seems like it's just upscaled BUT since in the past they talked about the chance to have it run at TRUE 4k...they answered me and said:
we have prepared special build with 4k support (Rendering in 4k), fps are of course low but I think we will prepare build for public, because we know that many people just like us want to test it
Please send us a reminder at the end of the month
So get ready. We will FINALLY be able to see TRUE 4k. Maybe at 15fps..but that will be the best chance we had so far..in VR. I think there could be the chance to play a movie in the void theater at good fps.
but the main question i have left is...why didn't you do the same months ago?! I would have done it instantly if i had the phone!
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Is that not what I'm already doing.....?

if im not mistaken you posted this and showed that 1080p or 4k things got smaller but readability was exactly the same (reading the smallest line). Am i wrong? In that case, that's not true 4k
other than that i couldn't find in this whole forum a true list of true 4k applications. It's like looking for gold!!

d3stroyah said:
if im not mistaken you posted this and showed that 1080p or 4k things got smaller but readability was exactly the same (reading the smallest line). Am i wrong? In that case, that's not true 4k
other than that i couldn't find in this whole forum a true list of true 4k applications. It's like looking for gold!!
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Don't know what you're referring to. If you look at the resolution, it is 4k. When you watch a movie in VR, your virtual void screen is not going to be 4k, it's going to be far less. When my phone is in 4k, the virtual screen resolution is a couple hundred pixels bigger than when at 2k or 1080p.
If it renders in 4k, it's not really going to matter because you're not getting anywhere close to that in void cinema anyways? You're getting about VGA worth of a virtual screen. I think the most important factor with 4k for VR is less screen door effect, not the resolution? Then again, I just started messing with this so I'm not too knowledgeable.

i don't think it works like that..
in virtual cinema now you just have a 1080p resolution upscaled to 4k. SDE has nothing to do with the output resolution and it's going to be the same even outputting at 480p the whole screen.
Even so, putting true 4k in virtual cinema will mean having twice the detail there is now since every pixel will have a "true" color instead of a fake one (with upscaling). That will result in a greater resolution overall.
The only way to really test this out, is with their true 4k output cinema version. Now we're 95% just fooled with upscaling (and as they said 4k will have very low fps)

d3stroyah said:
i don't think it works like that..
in virtual cinema now you just have a 1080p resolution upscaled to 4k. SDE has nothing to do with the output resolution and it's going to be the same even outputting at 480p the whole screen.
Even so, putting true 4k in virtual cinema will mean having twice the detail there is now since every pixel will have a "true" color instead of a fake one (with upscaling). That will result in a greater resolution overall.
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If I'm not running AAA VR Cinema in 4K, then can you explain why my virtual cinema has a greater resolution then when running the phone at 2k or 1080p? Are you really going to notice that much more detail if you cram a 4k video into a VGA space or a 1080p one into that same space?

i guess the only way to find out would be 3 screenshots, one at each resolution from a 1080p source clip. 4k is twice as sharp as 1080p, for the same portion of screen. That means that something barely readable 1080p will be twice as sharp in 4k. The void size must be the same and 4k would actually display 2x times a 1080p image, not just 200px more

look, you posted these:
https://postimg.cc/image/nrqysn3y3/
https://postimg.cc/image/z5di3uegr/
the second is slightly higher resolution but the output is the same, resizing back the 4k to 1440p you have the same exact image...that's 100% upscaled, no true 4k happening at all, you would see a big difference going up (1440p is nowhere close 4k, it's jus 125% more than 1080p where 4k is 200% 1080p)

d3stroyah said:
look, you posted these:
https://postimg.cc/image/nrqysn3y3/
https://postimg.cc/image/z5di3uegr/
the second is slightly higher resolution but the output is the same, resizing back the 4k to 1440p you have the same exact image...that's 100% upscaled, no true 4k happening at all, you would see a big difference going up (1440p is nowhere close 4k, it's jus 125% more than 1080p where 4k is 200% 1080p)
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Dude, the function of that app is only to tell you the resolution of the virtual screen. What's within it is for reference purposes. It's not going to change.

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