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I've done a whole battery of video recording comparisons with my Moto an HTC droids. My main findings are thus:
1. Moto video is much smoother and the light balancing is also sm oother. I find that the Incredible videos are very jumpy and the light brightness also shifts very ruggedly. It is mildly better when I record at the 640x480 instead of 800x480.
2. The video data rates are nearly twice as large on the Moto droid (approx 3600kbps) than the incredible (approx 2000kbps)
3. Audio bit rates are significantly better on the Moto. 98kbps vs 12kbps for the Incredible.
Now, am I just crazy, or has anyone else noticed this? I mean, I almost get sick just watching the jumpy video for the incredible, but video from the Moto seems so smooth.
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no way. the moto droid noise level is so high when recording.
I'm really having a hard time appreciating much of a difference in noise levels. What about the jumpiness I am speaking of? Trust me, I want to believe that the Incredible is better, but I'm just not seeing it. Audio is hands down better on the Moto. Maybe I can link some sample videos later if I get time.
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I wonder if HTC has some work to do here. I even saw the moto droid vs DI picture article online.
I have both, so I did an informal test, and the DI has some color cast, but it has more detail to work with in Adobe CS.
I also noticed that it's not sharpening like it should. For those in the DSLR realm, take a raw file.... you have to sharpen it or basically "post process" it for sharpening.
I don't want to take these steps, hopefully HTC will step up here. Get the function down in the phone and you will have much better pics than anything out there in it's class
Good points, and I agree that photos give more detail to work with, but I'm speaking soley about the video quality.
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Check out this link for a good video comparison. Seems I'm not just going crazy, but that the Motorola actually does record video better than the Incredible. What a shame.
When looking at the video, take note of how the vehicles driving by are "jerky". I can't understand why this is the case when the Incredible supposedly records at a higher frame rate. Does anyone know if this kind of thing can be addressed in a future software update??
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Mot...ncredible-side-by-side-review-r_2432-p_2.html
720p
I believe that the Moto Driod does DVD Quality 720p HD in its specs, where our phone MAY have the hardware capability, but the software has not been configured that way. Hopefully when we're rooted, and someone created a custom rom, that will be fixed
I'm thinking about getting an Omnia 7 and I have a few questions about the device that I was hoping you could help me with:
(1) How is the call quality? I saw a review that made this out to be the biggest gripe with the phone.
(2) How good is the (A)GPS? I recall seeing complaints about it. It is pretty important for me that the GPS is fast and accurate. At least not worse than my current $100 nokia symbian s60v5 handset, which has in fact been very reliable.
(3) How annoying is the amoled screen? I know it looks great in terms of color, contrast and viewing angles, but I've seen some seriously angry threads elsewhere regarding the faux resolution issue with pentile matrix. 653x392 is it?
(4) Also, can you view the screen with polarized sunglasses in both portrait and landscape? I reckon it would go black at some angle, but is it a clever 45 degrees like the Iphone or 90 degrees like for instance the ipad? (youtube.com/watch?v=78GdcXCM9nk&feature=related)?
(5) I've seen a lot of 720p video recording samples and they all seem a bit jerky? From what I understand it is a CPU limitation? I also recall SonyEricsson had a similar problem with the same CPU on one of their handsets and they improved it slightly by tweaking the codec to dynamically lower recording quality? Anything like that happening on WP7 or Omnia 7? Any other fixes?
I'm thinking about getting an Omnia 7 and I have a few questions about the device that I was hoping you could help me with:
I think you should wait a little, to know when new devices will appear. (with Mango update comes new devices)
(1) How is the call quality? I saw a review that made this out to be the biggest gripe with the phone.
Phone call quality : quite good but not excellent, even with all firmware updates.
(2) How good is the (A)GPS? I recall seeing complaints about it. It is pretty important for me that the GPS is fast and accurate. At least not worse than my current $100 nokia symbian s60v5 handset, which has in fact been very reliable.
For me A-GPS is good, fast and accurate
(3) How annoying is the amoled screen? I know it looks great in terms of color, contrast and viewing angles, but I've seen some seriously angry threads elsewhere regarding the faux resolution issue with pentile matrix. 653x392 is it?
Wait for a Super AMOLED PLUS (the "plus" is the big difference : http://www.oled-info.com/super-amoled-plus-resolution-explained
(4) Also, can you view the screen with polarized sunglasses in both portrait and landscape? I reckon it would go black at some angle, but is it a clever 45 degrees like the Iphone or 90 degrees like for instance the ipad? (youtube.com/watch?v=78GdcXCM9nk&feature=related)?
I have polarized glasses : it's black about 45°.
(5) I've seen a lot of 720p video recording samples and they all seem a bit jerky? From what I understand it is a CPU limitation? I also recall SonyEricsson had a similar problem with the same CPU on one of their handsets and they improved it slightly by tweaking the codec to dynamically lower recording quality? Anything like that happening on WP7 or Omnia 7? Any other fixes?
720p is a litte laggy, new devices (with new processor like the MSM8255) will not have any problem
Thanks, I appreciate you taking the time to answer my questions. And yes, I am waiting for the specs (and prices) of the new phones before I act. But I doubt that any of the new phones, like the Sea Ray, will be anywhere near €200 like the Omnia 7 is now on Ebay. Hence my ambivalence.
Is it still wise to get the Omnia 7? Or just wait for the Mango devices?
(1) In the UK on Three, the call quality is just fine, its better than my friends Blackberry Torch. Apparently there is a new Radio software that should improve it for everyone.
(2) The AGPS is ok I suppose, It works. GPS initially takes a minute or two (the VERY first time its used but afterwards, it gets a lock within 15 seconds) Accuracy is fine.
(3) The AMOLED screen has amazing quality but when looking at the screen VERY closely, the straight lines are very slightly jaggy. All AMOLED screens are arranged in the pentile pattern. The Super AMOLED Plus screens have the pixels arranged in a more traditional manner. However its not much of an issue for me, its probably wise to have a look at a Super AMOLED screen and judge for yourself!
(4) Not sure really, I can view the phone fine with 3D cinema glasses to pretty much most angles as without.
(5) I've shot a 720p video and it seemed fine to me! I doubt its a CPU limitation, its most likely the software which needs tweaking. Again, its probably wise to test one of these devices out to see how it performs. I think only one WP7 device has the MSM Snapdragon (which has an Adreno 205 GPU instead of our Adreno 200. Also its a die shrink which would use slightly less power)
Moto G Review ThreadHey all
I have created this thread with the purpose of bringing a collection of reviews available for the Moto G, be it member reviews or ones found on the web. Hopefully this may help those decide if this is the next upgrade for them.:good: Please PM me to add any to the OP:good:
Reviews:
PC Pro:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/smartphones/390613/motorola-moto-g-2014-moto-g-2
CNET:
http://www.cnet.com/uk/products/motorola-moto-g/
BetaNews:
http://betanews.com/2014/09/15/moto-g-2014-the-same-but-different-review/
TechnoBuffalo:
http://www.technobuffalo.com/reviews/moto-g-review-2014/
Gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/moto-g-2014-review-a-phone-this-cheap-shouldnt-be-th-1635033146
Trusted Reviews:
http://www.trustedreviews.com/moto-g-2-2014_Mobile-Phone_review
PC Advisor:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/mobile-phone/3543534/motorola-moto-g-2014-review/
Video Reviews:
Gadgets Portal
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Here is my review, I posted this else where and it's not really intended for the more tech savvy XDA audience. Overall this is my favorite phone I've ever used based on the dollars amount I spent. Just wish it had NFC and LTE to complete the package. There will be some sacrifice in battery life coming from the original G.
Edit: Updated to include video of speakers in action.
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Build: This is my favorite looking phone from Motorola so far, it's sort of a taller version of the original Moto X, but the stereo front speakers give it a more appealing look. It have a sleeker design than the original Moto G and still very comfortable to hold. It's about the same durability as the Moto G, but the rear cover is easier to remove. The power and volume buttons has been improved being stiffer and feel more securely placed.
Battery life: Motorola elected to keep the same battery size from the original G, while increasing the screen size and add stereo speakers. Using the phone for the last few days with medium to slight heavy use, I get between 3.5 to 4 hours of screen on time and a total battery life between 16-19hours. Compared to the original Moto G, I can easily get more than 4hours of screen on time and passing 5 hours even.
If you charged the phone fully at night, then unplugged it, on the next day the battery level will either be below 20% or likely in the red zone by 6-7pm. It will last enough until you get home from work, but if you plan to go out that night, you will need to charge it up a bit before hand. This definitely is not a 24hours battery life phone, unless you only use 50 to 75% of screen brightness most of the time and use WiFi most of the time.
In term of charging, it took me 110minutes to fully charge the phone connected to a 2Amp USB charger. The phone seems to be able to pull in 1.14Amp per hour while charging with the screen off, which isn't very fast compared to more high end phones.
Display: A definitely improvement from the Moto G. I feel the 5" size is just right because it just allow the virtual keyboard's keys to be large enough to type comfortably on and making less mistakes in the process.
Once again it is not a bright display nor have very good viewing angle, but it is better than the original G. There is slightly better contrast (if I remembered correctly) and the colors are very well calibrated. The pixels are sharp and you cannot see any pixelation. This 5" 720p screen look sharper than the 4.7" 720p screen of the original Moto X due to the pixel alignment.
Speakers: Despite being stereo speakers, it's not very loud. If you mount the phone in your car, the internal speakers still aren't loud enough to listen to unless you have a very well isolated car, so you must connect it to bluetooth. However, there is a clear sound quality improvement over the original G. You can clearly tell the stereo separation with music and voices are clearer. There is slight distortion at loudest volume, but it's not bad especially if your music are higher bitrates.
Speakers comparison between Moto G 2014 and Moto X 2013:
Camera: This is the biggest improvement over the original G which just didn't cut it with its 5MP camera. The 8MP of the 2014 version take good details, compared to the original G, it has improved ability for macroshots and low light condition due to wider aperture. The shutter speed seems good and you can take consecutive shots without pause in between. The exposure is very sensitive to light changes and the viewfinder focus may need careful placement for perfect lighting sometimes.The sound recording in videos are also very acceptable and you can hear all the background noises, although can be a little noisy due to lack of noise cancellation feature of the more expensive X model. Also, similar to the LTE version of the original G, the phone have a gyroscope so you can take photosphere photos. The HDR mode make images a bit too bright, but you can always use a third party camera app. The photo quality is worthy of it's $180 price tag.
See camera samples here.
Software and performance: It's exactly like the original G, the processor, graphic unit, ram, and screen resolution, so the software performance is same as the original G. Overall, the CPU does an okay job with the help of running stock Android and there are few slow down. Just don't expect to play heavy 3D games on it and you'll be fine. Since motorola updated their Assist software, now the Moto G get all the modes that is found in the X, including Home and Driving mode. You can make this phone a poorman's Moto X by doing a few tweaks. For example, you can install Google Now Launcher and enable "Okay Google Everywhere" in its settings to somewhat emulate Touchless Control feature. Also you can install the app "AcDisplay" to emulate the Moto Display feature. No doubt these tweaks will use up a bit of battery life.
One minor downside is the phone have only 1GB of ram which can be limiting for multitasking. Apps in the background would close themselves unexpectedly if your RAM is used up which is quite often. Sometimes even viewing a heavy contents webpage causes the music player in the background to close itself. Using the app "Greenify" to free up RAM does help, but not entirely. I believe Motorola could make some software tweaks to improve this or we can hope Android L will.
Storage Space: There is 5.5GB of user storage space, however due to caching, etc, out of the box you get 4.8GB of free space. A big improvement over the original G is that you get a microSD slot. It does support 64gb microSD cards if formatted as FAT32. Windows by default will not allow you to format 64gb flash memory as FAT32, so you must search Google on how to do this, I use the program called RMPrepUSB. Also if your phone is running Dalvik mode, apps can be moved to microSD card (if the app developer allows it). The camera allows you to store pictures directly on the microSD card as well.
When you first installed a microSD card, the phone will pop up a window allowing you to move media from the "Pictures, Music and Movies" folders from your internal storage to your microSD card, however, it does not detect the "Videos" folder.
The phone supports USB OTG as well, but I have not tested it.
Voice and Signal quality: I don't have much to say here, but generally Motorola phones have good signal and voice quality. I am using T-Mobile and was able to stream YouTube podcasts at 360p resolution while driving for more than half an hour at a time in the city and not have my videos paused or connection lost.
Overall: I think even despite not very impressive battery life by Motorola standard, this phone is not only the best budget phone of 2014, but it is literally the best budget smartphone I've ever used. There are very little compromise for the price you pay and I think few brands can match it in term of value. We have to remember that Motorola have a good record of updating their phones recently, so getting this device over some of the competing brands mean you will be guaranteed to be one of the first to get updates and will get Android L (unless Lenovo decided differently for Motorola in the future).
Moto G 2013 LTE: For some people who do not require a good camera, the Moto G 2013 LTE may be a better option, especially if you want a smaller device. Unlike the Moto G 2014, the 2013 LTE version have the benefit of having LTE (of course), is more compact in size which fits better in pockets and have a bit more battery life. Likely Motorola will come out with an LTE version for the Moto G 2014 later on, but it would only work if the battery capacity is increased.
PhoneArena:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-Moto-G-Review_id3788
I like their reviews. Incidentally, their "phone finder" is less powerful than it used to be.
GSMArena:
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_2014-review-1139.php
I'm getting the Play soon and I'm wondering just how much better is it?
How are both of the cameras? I like to use face unlock and my Moto G tends to struggle a lot. In addition I tend to use other people's phone cameras when I can in general.
How's the speed/responsiveness? FB Messenger stalls for a couple of seconds on the G then stutters it's way to the main screen.
How's returning to home? :laugh: The G likes to take half a second and reload Nova.
Gaming is smoother, less reloading of apps,screen response is faster,camera is very good quality when you use it in daylight, video recording is also very sharp and smooth. When you don't play games I don't think you gonna notice a big difference compared to a 600 dollar phone. I also upgraded from a moto g 4g.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Moto G5S Plus come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Images are not very sharp. If you are looking for good camera, look for another device. Panorama mode has low resolution, even when camera is 13MPx panoramas are usually smaller than that. You can fix this by changing camera application. But this only helps with panorama. But overall image sharpens will not improve with any app.
Post capture processing really sucks!!!
Is there any way to disable it?
Agreed about the post processing - makes pictures very soft. Colour rendition is really good. White balance, contrast, dynamic range all reasonable. Focus a bit slow but ok. Correctly exposing for backlit subjects pretty good.
Video is good, except sometimes looks like it's lacking in bitrate. Will try OpenCamera and see if I can tweak this.
Overall rating: 5 out of 10. Would go to 7 if Moto fix the image softness.
Can anyone post some pictures taken with this phone. I have a Galaxy S5 and I'm looking for an upgrade.
Anyone checked the latest moto camera 2 version?
I think picture quality is still the same but there is reduction in yellowish tint(i dont like yellowish pics)....
I'm impressed with the dynamic range and colours, which seem to be very good. The main issues with the camera are lack of detail and poor low light performance. I'd imagine the first one is fixable via software but I have doubts about the sensors low light ability.
Overall photos are well exposed and colours are good, but my main issue is grainy images when you zoom in on photos.
This camera is horrid. Granted, I'm coming from a 6p, but found some pics taken with my old old droid x, and they were miles ahead of this thing they call a camera. Time to break out the d5100 again!
The camera is disgusting. I was so ambitious about the camera and it disappointed me miserably.
I don't know what some of you are expecting. Its the best phone in the mid-range, compared to its specifications. BUT somewhere the missing money, becomes visible. In this phone its the cam. The cam is useful if enough light is present.
In a potratit mode camera work properly
How much time take and focus proper work after every update
In a custom ROM camera work proper with every mode
Whoops. Delete my post.
For some reason I got confused and posted about how impressed I am with the photos from my Moto G5+ here, I didn't realize it was the section for the newer S model until after posting.
I've heard the dual camera thing with the S hasn't been so great in the real world, and the sensor in the regular G5+ (which is similar to the one found in the Galaxy S7) may actually be capable of better shots. But I think its because Moto is weird about the software that runs the camera, with over-processing and highlight clipping that can be avoided with better software. Using an app that handles Camera2 makes a huge difference on the G5+, which I was originally posting about until I realized I'm in the wrong place. Sorry guys!
The problem with the camera in this phone is almost 100% software. The automatic settings of the Moto camera app generate horrible photos.
Look at your photo information (when viewing the photo in Google Photos, tap the "i" icon at the bottom) and specifically note the ISO. With this sensor hardware anything over ISO400 is going to be relatively unusable (mottled/blurry detail/sharpness with image noise). If you shoot the same photo in "Professional Mode" manually setting the ISO (at or below ISO400) and the shutter speed, the results are actually quite acceptable, if not even very good.
The flash on this camera is a much more natural color (somewhere in the 2000k range rather than the usual bright white LED >5000k), so using the flash (when feasible) in combination with better manual settings will also help.
Even using manual settings there's still some post-processing fickery going on, but that's still all software. I wish Moto would add an option to turn post-processing off. I think they don't have that option though because most people use the camera in fully automatic mode and the pictures would be REALLY bad if they weren't post-processed when using that mode.
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Any better flashing a custom Rom or different camera app?
Hi, a friend's of mine buy the moto g5s plus thinking it's gona be better for the photo of the moto g4 he still have.
Result that the photo are not so good, moto g4 it's better.
But someone have already try to install a custom Rom on the moto g5 plus, maybe with Oreo, and result any improvement on the camera and photo?
Or try a different mod for the camera app that result in a improvement for the camera?
If anyone have try that way and can share it's result and opinion about it I will appreciated. My friend don't want to avoid the warranty of the phone for nothing.
Thanks.
Iurop said:
Hi, a friend's of mine buy the moto g5s plus thinking it's gona be better for the photo of the moto g4 he still have.
Result that the photo are not so good, moto g4 it's better.
But someone have already try to install a custom Rom on the moto g5 plus, maybe with Oreo, and result any improvement on the camera and photo?
Or try a different mod for the camera app that result in a improvement for the camera?
If anyone have try that way and can share it's result and opinion about it I will appreciated. My friend don't want to avoid the warranty of the phone for nothing.
Thanks.
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Are you talking about g5 plus or g5s plus? Because you mention the one with the s.
Hi, yeah I'm talking about the moto g5s plus. I saw in the xda forum that are present a tread about camera mods, and for use those mod need to enable the full access to API2 cam. But looks like that the main problem with the moto g5s plus camera it's not solved in that way.
For that I though that maybe install a custom Rom, possibly with Oreo, helps or solve the camera issue, considering that the real problem it's software not the hardware. There are many Rom with Oreo to try, for that I'll ask if someone already try that way and get the problem solved, or better wait for an official update from motorola-lenovo and see if they solve.
in low light conditions the result is really bad, with the light discrete but not excelled
Camera is mid range and awfull fotos.... For me isn't very good. Videos are much better
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? with gcam
Taken with gcam on g5+ I had my A7RII with me on this trip, but took some shots with my phone as well because the HDR+ effect in camera is just THAT good.
Even records raw so I can edit later, but these are straight out of camera. Have some great shots even in lower indoor light from the trip, but they are of family members I'd rather not post on the internet. Even compared to my "real" pro camera, if used properly this is capable of some excellent shots.