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Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
I watched some video reviews as well and found out that these devices are pretty much equal in everyday performance. (opening apps and websites with maybe 1 second difference at most) The Nexus 4 stuck out a bit because unlike the S4 and S3 almost had no stuttering or dropped frames in the UI while even the S4 had a few.
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
Also I heard about the Snapdragon 800 and Nvidia Tegra 4 (maybe even the Exynos Dualcore of the Nexus 10 which is supposed to be released as Quadcore soon?) which are basically the next big thing when it comes to processors. I thought the S4 would make a HUGE jump (and the octacore version actually does) but it didn't. Now I wonder whether i should wait for the next generation of processors/smartphones. (I don't want to wait longer than Q4 2013)
I would appreciate your help a lot!
schnip said:
Hey Guys,
i was thinking about buying a new smartphone. Now that Samsung and HTC both have released their flagship device for 2013 I did some research and ended up with the Galaxy S3, the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy S4 in mind. I'm having some trouble to make up my mind about these smartphones. I compared them considering their performance. (excluded the S4 with octacore tho) and found out that basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
schnip said:
So I'm not really sure whether the S4 is worth it for me, as I'm probably not gonna make frequent use of all the gimmicks and stuff. The 16 GB Nexus 4 is even a bit more expensive than the S3 now and the timely updates for the N4 are no dealbreaker for me as i will flash custom roms on the S3 anyway. The Nexus 4 however has no replacable battery and no sdcard slot.
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Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
pedrohz said:
Maybe you should wait for the "S4 Nexus" that will be released June 26th (if you live in the US, of course). It will aggregate the best in hardware and software and will come with an unlocked bootloader.
Between the N4 and the S3, if you're gonna flash a custom rom, get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos). It has a removable battery and sd card slot which always helps.
Regarding the processors you've mentioned (Snapdragon 800 and Tegra 4), it doesn't matter much if the software is not optimized. Just look at TouchWiz, even with a brutal processor there are lags and stutters. IMO processors are powerful enough nowadays to provide a smooth experience in the UI and with games, but the software is not optimized and good enough to use all those cores wisely. OEMs further 'helps', clogging the system with bloatware.
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Thank you for the informative post
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
schnip said:
i have made similar experiences when comparing android to ios. the hardware is actually brutal but its not enough to compensate for the rather unoptimized software. unfortunately i do not live in the US and even if I did it wouldnt make much of a difference to me as i could flash custom vanilla android on the S4 anyhow.
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Why are you disregarding s4's superior screen and resolution?
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actually i dont disregard it. for me the screen is one of the few improvements that really have a noticeable effect on everyday performance. unfortunately it comes at a great cost when comparing 300€(S3) to 600€(S4). I think the S3 is far more worth than only 1/2 of an S4
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I understand. Just be sure to get the S4 model with Snapdragon 600, as the 'S4 Nexus' will use it instead of the Exynos octa (no LTE). Then once its stock rom is released by fellow devs you can flash without issues
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Ok thanks for the advice!
Edit: " get the S3 version with 2gb ram (without exynos)"
As far as my research goes:
The exynos is the quadcore version whereas the snapdragon version of the S3 is dual core.
The quadcore version usually does not have 2GB ram but i found some spec sheets that had Quadcore + 2GB RAM (LTE version)
Id say better have quadcore instead of dualcore and 2GB ram right?
Edit 2:
Unfortunately i cant get the 2GB version with dualcore in Germany.
I can order
Exynos Quad 2GB RAM LTE and
Exynos Quad 1GB RAM no-LTE
I dont really need LTE but is the 1 GB of extra RAM worth the 50€? (apprx 65$)
schnip said:
basically performance benchmarkwise goes like this: S3> N4> S4.
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schnip said:
Please correct me on these statements if they are flawed or simply incorrect.
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Joe0Bloggs said:
A little math lesson for you
the side with less goes here < the side with more goes here
the side with more goes here > the side with less goes here
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schnip said:
thank you for cluttering the thread and posting bull****
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You asked to be corrected on your statements in the OP and that's what I did. Either you misued the comparison symbols or you thought both the S3 and N4 do benchmarks better than the S4.
I did what you asked people to do and an insult is what I get in return?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater-than_sign
Well,
the other thread is having discussion mainly about the Snapdragon 800 version, but since we Europeans can't have it, it is better to have the discussion about the Exynos models here.
Do you think Heterogeneous Multi-Processing Capability will be implemented in the Note 10.1 2014?
http://youtu.be/fLrSTJECVaU
http://youtu.be/8LNPxExkLMo
http://youtu.be/1t-6jqhELVk
The wifi only model will be exynos based. I live in the US and only want the exynos version.
Why do you think that we (Europeans) won't get the Snapdragon 800 version?
In Europe
WiFi = Exynos
LTE = Snapdragon 800
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In Europe
WiFi = Exynos
LTE = Snapdragon 800
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Isn't that true everywhere?
Speaking of the Exynos version. How does the community support for those devices stack up against their snapdragon
siblings (thinking of s4 and so on)?
Aletheia said:
Isn't that true everywhere?
Speaking of the Exynos version. How does the community support for those devices stack up against their snapdragon
siblings (thinking of s4 and so on)?
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from what i have read and heard, the snapdragon siblings seem to have much more dev support than the exynos ones - that being said, with the new note 10.1, we might be able to expect some pretty damn good dev support so long as the rumors/claims about HMP being fixed are true. i think the biggest downfall of the previous octa chips is that they either use all 4 A15 chips or all 4 A7 chips, not a combination of them or anything else - the cache translation function is broken (i think thats what it is called... i may be wrong on the name).
but i think if they have fixed it, and if the new note actually offers HMP, then there should be some good dev support i would suspect - not everyone wants to pay for an extra contract for their device when they can just tether or hotspot to their phone, which they always have on them anyways.
On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
asaqwert said:
On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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Make a "note" to look into a program called Tablet Talk.
You can make any tablet into a sms/mms and phone... so worth the price.
Itchiee said:
Make a "note" to look into a program called Tablet Talk.
You can make any tablet into a sms/mms and phone... so worth the price.
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Have definitely used and like tablet SMS on my new nexus but I just find it a hassle as the tablet always needs to be tethered anyways so I need my phone with me regardless. The idea behind having full talk and text on the tablet is so I don't absolutely need both devices with me all the time... I guess with a tablet that has 3g or late then you don't really need the phone with you anymore, and I can see an upside of this setup.... You can use just one phone number and have it accessible on two devices...just kind of seems ****ty to basically be forced into having two separate phone bills each month though if the option could have very easily been there to have the talk and text directly active and working on the tablet. I wonder if there is some sort of mod or hack that could be used to gain this functionality considering that on a 3g or late device the rradios are all there to support this.....
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On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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In all review that i saw, all tablet can phone and send sms/mms.
There are the apps for this.
So, i will buy the 4G version because i want the Snap800, and because it will have a lot of support then Exynos base...
Guich said:
In all review that i saw, all tablet can phone and send sms/mms.
There are the apps for this.
So, i will buy the 4G version because i want the Snap800, and because it will have a lot of support then Exynos base...
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what is exepcted price difference between Wifi only and 4g
what is the support that makes u willing to spend that difference ! is it from Samsung it self, or free developers !
will it be in just Applications ! or the Android system updates running !
this is going to be my first device,and i am already highly considering the 3G version as i dont have smartphone, and hope i can use the note (beside its main functions) as a smart phone + to connect to net when no wifi around or on the road , with headset .. but i will wait till after release to see reviews about that .
if the 3g not making call as a phone, i will get wifi, and for internet connection i will use usb flash modem (by OTG adaptor)
Dr_Muhsin said:
what is exepcted price difference between Wifi only and 4g
i dont have smartphone, and hope i can use the note (beside its main functions) as a smart phone + to connect to net when no wifi around or on the road , with headset .. but i will wait till after release to see reviews about that .
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The price difference between the wifi only and 4g models can be $100-$200 for 16GB models, and sometimes you can't even find the higher capacity models in 4g or wifi. It can be a hassle trying to find the model you want. Data plans for cell based tablets can be ridiculously high for 4g models so have a carrier in mind if you want to go the 4g route. Keep in mind Im using 4g here as a generic term for cell based tablet (4g/3g/lte). Im sticking with getting a wifi based note 10.1 this time around because I hope to use it for content creation and media playback.
Kernel source
So, is this good news as far as dev support for the Exynos versions is concerned?
sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition
In john lewis web its only left the white wifi version. I hope that its because they are receiving next week the new one
'Note' that the tablet with not ship with HMP/GTS out-of-box.
They were recently finalized. They will ship with cluster migration/core migration logic initially. Later there will be some kernel/patch upgrade to have HMP enabled.
CLARiiON said:
'Note' that the tablet with not ship with HMP/GTS out-of-box.
They were recently finalized. They will ship with cluster migration/core migration logic initially. Later there will be some kernel/patch upgrade to have HMP enabled.
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i was reading that in the octa-core you could only have 4 cores being used at a time; and that the lower ghz quad cores were to save power.
but if android's cpu governor will fluctuate the cpu speed up and down based on the workload, what's the diff?
doesn't that make the other 4 cores useless?
so in effect a 2.3Ghz quad-core vs a 2.4Ghz quad+1.7Ghz quad would have the same performance??
now if you can use more than 4 cores at a time that's a different story.
am i way off base here?
-Tony
ncohafmuta said:
am i way off base here?
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A bit. The architecture of each 4-core chip is very different; designed for different tasks. The weaker core is A7 while the more powerful core is A15. Your comparison is kind of like cylinder deactivation in a car's engine. In a V8, all eight cylinders are identical and they are shut off in pairs to save fuel and match performance to load. Think of Octa as a discreet 4 cylinder engine (A7) alongside a V8 engine (A15). Each, to your point, can be controlled so any or all of their cores can be active at a given time. The 4 cylinder's barely able to reach the low point of the V8's performance curve. Similarly, the V8 can't reach the 4 cylinders lower efficiency range. 85% of apps don't leave the A7 core so that's why it's more efficient than just shutting off some of the A15's cores; especially true at idle. It's actually a pretty neat approach to performance vs. efficiency.
BarryH_GEG said:
A bit. The architecture of each 4-core chip is very different; designed for different tasks. The weaker core is A7 while the more powerful core is A15. Your comparison is kind of like cylinder deactivation in a car's engine. In a V8, all eight cylinders are identical and they are shut off in pairs to save fuel and match performance to load. Think of Octa as a discreet 4 cylinder engine (A7) alongside a V8 engine (A15). Each, to your point, can be controlled so any or all of their cores can be active at a given time. The 4 cylinder's barely able to reach the low point of the V8's performance curve. Similarly, the V8 can't reach the 4 cylinders lower efficiency range. 85% of apps don't leave the A7 core so that's why it's more efficient than just shutting off some of the A15's cores; especially true at idle. It's actually a pretty neat approach to performance vs. efficiency.
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FWIW the 2.4 vs 2.3 was a typo. Should be the same number there.
I understand where you're coming from, thanks for that. I just never heard it explained that a A7 at Clock X was different power usage wise than a A15 at Clock X.
If it is, so be it, that answers that. Would be interesting to see real world benchmarks behind it.
-Tony
Ok
I've been debating with my self whether or not I should jump in and buy the note 10.1 2014 edition, but in my fact finding efforts certain questions arose ( with a lot of confusion)
1 Will HMP be available to the Exynos 5420 ? I keep finding information that goes both ways...yes...no...maybe
2 Does a root solution exist ( or is in works) that won't void warranty? (knox issues??)
3 Snapdragon or Exynos ( this brings me back to the HMP question!! IF HMP = yes well then Exynos, but...if not...?)
4 Any drawbacks when compared to comparable gen tablets? Lack of features, performance issues , instability etc?
I'm not doubting whether or not I want a pen enabled tablet, but with the new Nvidia pen enabled tablets in the works, samsung is losing it's unique position.
Now I know there are tons of posts all over the place that in essence answer a lot of the same points, but many of the threads go a bit back and forth and often misinformed on key issues...
Like Developer support for and against the Exynos vs Snapdragon etc And HMP support?
Now there is a small ticking clock attached to these questions, I've been offered a 17.5 % discount on the note ( LTE or wifi edition , my choice) But it expires on wednesday (30.okt)
Thanks in advance!!!
Cheers lads!
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
mi7chy said:
Short version, get the 32GB LTE version with Snapdragon 800.
Long version:
On current 28nm node forget about 8-core since it consumes too much power and runs too hot. Only possible once it hits ~16nm.
As far as stability Note series is best from experience. In over a year of owning Note 2 and original 10.1 have never experience a random reboot compared to even Google devices that have rare random reboots and other quirks.
For productivity and creativity there's nothing else right now that compares. If you want paperless note taking and drawing this is your best choice.
With high end specs and 3GB DRAM you're future proof for easily two years or more.
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But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
DeBoX said:
But why choose Snapdragon over Exynos? It's more reliable? Better performance? OR?
What about Samsungs talk about HMG capabilities on new gen Exynos?
Anyone know anything about the root question?
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Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Yeah l heard that snapdragon is 20 + % faster gpu. So there's that
But I can't help wonder how HMP (if it's going to be available to the note) would impact the performance of both gpu and cpu (I know that I'm a bit of a broken record)
Didn't know about the root, good to know, but there isn't one ready for the note yet...?
Anyone done a battery comparison between the two SoC ?
Anyone found articles on HMP and note? Looking for solid proof
mi7chy said:
Snapdragon 800 has better graphics performance so that has bigger impact on user experience.
Forget about Exynos HMP for now until they get the node down to ~16nm as previously mentioned.
There's already root that doesn't trigger warranty negating Knox for Note 3 Snapdragon 800 which is a smaller Note 10.1 2014 Snapdragon 800.
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Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
DeBoX said:
Btw what about this:
Here is a youtube video from ARM, demonstrating Samsungs Exynox Octa 5420 running all eight cores simultaneously:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fLrSTJECVaU
And this one with Angry birds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LNPxExkLMo
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As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
VaggD said:
As mention before the real problem with HMP is heat or should i say overheat and the battery life.
Do we need 8 core for real ?
It is simple i you need LTE/4G you have to go for SP version, otherwise buy the Exynos and save some $.
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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8 cores would in theory allow for better utilization of resources if we could get proper octa core. In essence if you're doing low yield tasks with limited needs, then you're using 1-4 of the A7's , if it's moderate then you switch to the A15 cluster, but if it's really demanding then the co-op between the two clusters might come in handy.
It would be great to have the capability available if possible, yeah it would be a drain on the battery, but think of it this way if you really need the power you're going to give up juice one way or another. The question is how smart the algorithms are to figure out your needs.
LTE isn't a must for me, it would be nice but I could go both ways on that issue. I'm more focused on performance, mod possibilities and overal performance vs battery balance.
What can I say I have a need for speed...
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Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
VaggD said:
Lets be realistic no HMP for note3/10.1!
If you can afford the lte version buy it! But i don't think you gonna see a big difference. Real speed is one thing, benchmark is another one!
I believe the majority buys high-tech devices not because they really need them but other reasons.... i think we should enjoy more those devices and stop compering benchmarks.
Personaly i will buy the SP version cause i need 4G.
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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I hear what you're saying, but how do you explain the youtube clips? Proof of concept? (not being sarcastic, honestly asking)
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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No offence taken :good:
Its not like its impossible!
Lets say that tomorrow sammy release the update that allows the 8 cores to work simultaneously, how can they be sure that the device after one month or year will not stop working... we already have read complains that some times the note gets hot.. They can't release a product that might break down every moment.. Imagine the loses the company will take in 2 year time (guaranty) plus the bad reputation.
P.S sorry for my English.
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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That is true, and absolutely something to consider. There is no real way to predict what effect HMP would really have on the CPU, and for that mater how much of a boost.
I'm just a tad pissed at Samsung for not being clear if / when/ what effect etc an HMP patch would have. In principle it might go fine, and the thermal sleeve on the 5420 might be able to take the heat. Maybe even the algorithms are in place to utilize the full effect and capabilities of the HMG tech. Or the whole thing might not even surface until Samsung S5 with Exynos 5430
I'm just stuck on the fenc, like any true tech geek the idea of true octa core is very tempting, and I'd be kicking my self if sammy Did release the patch tomorrow , but I already bough a snapdragon edition today....
Agony of choice is better then no choice, right?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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Hope you enjoy it as much as possible !!! I thinking of buying the 16GB LTE but i don't now if 16GB are enough ? (I will keep the device at least 2-3 years) Of the 16GB how many does the device(stock ) use ?
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If I've understood it properly, the OS takes about 4-5 gigs ( note that's the OS and the apps that come with it etc) , so in essence you should have something like 10-12 gig of user available space.
I'de say go for the 32 gig variant.
Yes, you can always add micro SD cards etc, but most apps still don't like moving to ext storage, and in most cases they don't move all of the content but just part of it.
I won't be gaming a lot, but a few games that I do like , GTA 3 and GTA vice city er about 2 gig each ( give or take) so there goes the space, some documents here and there, and apps, and so on and so on...
Anyone know of any difference in lag between the Snapdragon and Exynos versions?
So....
Why Snapdragon is Better Than Exynos??
And Why Exynos is Better Than Snapdragon??
Ahmedmoataz said:
So....
Why Snapdragon is Better Than Exynos??
And Why Exynos is Better Than Snapdragon??
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Next time use the search function. If you really want to beat a dead horse here is the original thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461792
Short version. As a general rule the Exynos 5 Octa is slightly faster CPU and Snapdragon 800 is slightly faster GPU.
thanks bro
Okay so I am the first person to admit I have not read this whole thread.
However at this point we should all realize that mos bechmarks do not mean ****. We have seen how they can be gamed.
That being said from what I have seen Snapdragon seems to be a hair better in real world usage. More importantly it charges significantly faster.
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Okay so I am the first person to admit I have not read this whole thread.
However at this point we should all realize that mos bechmarks do not mean ****. We have seen how they can be gamed.
That being said from what I have seen Snapdragon seems to be a hair better in real world usage. More importantly it charges significantly faster.
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I still think it helps show the full potential of the hardware. I know there are issues that Samsung rigged the bench apps to run its products in full juice but isn't that the purpose of running bench tests? To see how much power does you machine have when pushed to the limits?
May not be descriptive of real world use but still an indication of your gadgets raw power.
Not OP, but piggybacking on this thread: how about the driver issue?
I've read somewhere that Samsung is much worse publishing drivers for custom ROMs to use with their Exynos processors than Broadcomm is for Snapdragon. So far I've only ever owned Nexus devices where that isn't a huge problem (unless past Gingerbread N1) and I definitely want to keep fooling around with homebrew stuff. Also want to flash new Android versions as soon as they're being published, not when Samsung releases them. I don't care much for the S-Pen or Touchwiz, but since it looks like there won't be a new Nexus 10 I'm looking for alternatives.
So, for tinkerers: Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Not OP, but piggybacking on this thread: how about the driver issue?
I've read somewhere that Samsung is much worse publishing drivers for custom ROMs to use with their Exynos processors than Broadcomm is for Snapdragon. So far I've only ever owned Nexus devices where that isn't a huge problem (unless past Gingerbread N1) and I definitely want to keep fooling around with homebrew stuff. Also want to flash new Android versions as soon as they're being published, not when Samsung releases them. I don't care much for the S-Pen or Touchwiz, but since it looks like there won't be a new Nexus 10 I'm looking for alternatives.
So, for tinkerers: Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Snapdragon... Samsung seem to want to REALLY hold onto the drivers for the exynos.... Makes custom roms a tad hard to make when you're not sure the hardware will actually work...
Which one should I buy if I'm after longer battery life / performance / XDA support?
I'm not a gamer.
Thanks in advance
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/to-snapdragon-805-to-exynos-5433-t2868247
Doesn't really matter. The N910F apparently gives better battery life, but some try dispute that. If LTE Cat.6 is implemented in your country then get the N910F as it supports LTE Cat.6. With latest Android 5.1.1 now out for the USA Snapdragons and Exynos Polish, apparently both no longer have Recent Apps lag and they perform much better than before.
Either way youre getting a beastly device.
go for 910c and dont even think about it unless you are cm user.
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go for 910c and dont even think about it unless you are cm user.
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and why is that? it's simple, both run and will run 32bit, and if you want more processing power, then the C if you want graphics power, then the F.. simple as that, nothing more nothing less..
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and why is that? it's simple, both run and will run 32bit, and if you want more processing power, then the C if you want graphics power, then the F.. simple as that, nothing more nothing less..
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910f barelys has any more graphics power. not a single game runs better on s805 version(atleast the ones i tried) benchmarks almost same aswell. but on the other hand cpu difference is big. when you use them side by side speed difference is very noticable.
and whatever they are on 32 or 64 bit doesnt mean anything.
I got a N910C, because I never did like Quadcomm SOCs. They tend to run a little hotter than other SOCs. I barely felt any heat of my N910C even when playing Asphalt 8 or Street Fighter IV HD. The only time I felt any heat from my N910C was when it had developed a hardware fault and I had to send it back to the retailer for repairs. Which I'm still waiting for them to finish the repairs.
Other than that I had a great experience with my N910C.
The N910F doesn't run hot, the Snapdragon 805 CPU has to be the coolest of the Qualcomm chips. The only time the phone got hot for me is when upgrading to Lollipop, it got very hot while optimising apps, then calmed down after the update was all done.
As for performance, on 5.1.1 both the C and USA Snapdragons that are basically US N910Fs are running with no Recent Apps lag, so one can't really say there is much of a difference, both run much better than they did on 5.0.1.
Get the variant that has warranty in your country, and if both do, then get the one that best suits your network e.g. if the network supports the newer and faster LTE Cat.6 then get the F, also for slightly better battery life get the F, as well as if you plan on getting the GearVR by Oculus, get the F.
If you want the Exynos CPU and Wolfson DAC, get the C.
I've just sold my 910f and bought the 910c. Two reasons first I just prefer exynos maybe because my last device was exynos. Second the snapdragon does run fairly hot and tended to overheat when using gear vr
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Dont do that mistake and buy note 4 it's crap
Exynos 5433 is around ~30% faster at the CPU department, while it has a weaker GPU.
Honestly, it doesn't make much of a difference. But if you can choose, the 910C has better performance.
Weaker GPU matter less than weaker CPU because both are going to run any game exceptionally regardless.
Edit: Exynos 5433 is apparently ~50% ahead of the SD805 at geekbench, difference is bigger than I thought.
Go for C and don't look back.
910C.
I've just got the C & I have noticed it runs smoother than my F & also when I play music via Bluetooth it don't get ant skips, blips etc like i did with the F.
I dunno if it's the 5.1.1 update that has fixed that or its a Snapdragon fault.
So far I'm really happy with the C & just looking at the F & wonder if I should sell it.
The 5.1.1 update seems to have done wonders for both N910F and N910C.
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Get the C
Hehehe again a 910C/910F thread, let's see how quickly this one gets closed due to members fighting (cause that's where thread like these are always bound to end up in).
Anyway my personal opinion: if you want to stay stock, then go for the 910C. If you want AOSP then 910F. Yes, CM is currently also available for 910C but they're about 8-12 months behind. Realistically the Note 6 will be out before a 'perfect' stable version will be available for the 910C. These things just take a lot of time to develop.
Quick pro's and cons of stock vs AOSP:
Pro stock:
* Everything just works.
Pro AOSP:
* Quick updates, no need to wait till august 2016 for Android M, you will have it 2 weeks after google releases it
* Blazing fast GUI, everything just works so much smoother.
* Additional features and control over your phone.
Con AOSP:
* Not everything works as of yet, I think currently still missing (although will be worked upon) are AudioFX, MMS, Compass in google maps. And then there's of course the fingerprint scanner but that should be coming with Android M. And then if you flash nightlies every time, you will run into some problems every now and then of course.
Previously camera quality was also a factor but that's solved now, photo quality is now equal.
All in all a personal choice, but I think this is what it boils down to.