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What is this treble i'm seeing all over the XDA forums?

Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel

dalebaxter01 said:
Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
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for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/

bornlivedie said:
for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
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Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?

dalebaxter01 said:
Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
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In reality, it means little to the end user. It could theoretically mean that ROMS require less development time, since all roms in theory are based on a single image.
You can kinda of see this with Google's OEM Partners. At Google I/O they listed a number of partner OEMs that were the first to use treble and for the most part they have released upgrades quicker and more reliably then there non-treble counter parts. This also can be extended to the modding community and in general means that porting roms and developing them on a new phone should be easier.
This is all part of a bigger push by Google to gain uniformity across devices. They started requiring security updates in there SLA's and now are pushing treble.

Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?

https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/13/project-treble-impact-android-custom-rom-community/

alwynjoshy said:
Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
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In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.

Oki said:
In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
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thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms

alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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Once you have the Treble framework in place and have then flashed a device specific vendor image you can from that point on flash any GSI ROM. The thing to note is that so far NFound's Treble ROMs have included vendor image files in them which makes them device specific, you need to check for and remove any vendor image files from Treble ROMs created for other devices if you wish to try the ROM on a device other than what it was made for.

alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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A treble rom is hardware specific, so you cant flash a treble rom designed for a different device. Only GSIs are compatible with multiple devices, and it is this way since the hardware dependant part is only in the treble rom.
Right now there are not fully treble roms available for the Axon7. The currently available roms labeled as treble are delivered and work as a usual full rom. The treble and system parts are still mixed up in those roms. It will take some time until we could enjoy a fully wotking treble rom in the Axon7.

Will we get Treble for GSI ?

Hello,
after testing out lots of ROM with Treble, I used some GSI and some of them worked more some less. In the Treble Development department I found a working AOSP 9 GSI. The ROM did work quite good and I would use it as a daily driver, but sadly the battery consumption was the greatest I ever had.
Maybe it is because of the ROM, but after all the vendor image should also be good. The only one we can use is from nfound and he left us...
So, what do you think? Will there every be a vendor image we can use for GSI?

yes.

Did you try this one: [AOSP 9.0] [EXPERIMENTAL] [2018-08-22] Phh-Treble ?
Cause this is the one, that gives me a SOT of about ~ 5h , which is ok for me right now ...
(altough, using AEX 5.8 SOT was 6-7h for me ...)
But it is in development ...
Mart Son said:
Hello,
after testing out lots of ROM with Treble, I used some GSI and some of them worked more some less. In the Treble Development department I found a working AOSP 9 GSI. The ROM did work quite good and I would use it as a daily driver, but sadly the battery consumption was the greatest I ever had.
Maybe it is because of the ROM, but after all the vendor image should also be good. The only one we can use is from nfound and he left us...
So, what do you think? Will there every be a vendor image we can use for GSI?
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timmtomm8 said:
Did you try this one: [AOSP 9.0] [EXPERIMENTAL] [2018-08-22] Phh-Treble ?
Cause this is the one, that gives me a SOT of about ~ 5h , which is ok for me right now ...
(altough, using AEX 5.8 SOT was 6-7h for me ...)
But it is in development ...
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There is another one based on this one, because this one gave me to much errors. Maybe the new GSI got better...
Did you flash some post GSI zips or did it work out of the box?

So at the moment we only have nfounds vendor image which boots up most gsi, but there are problems not solved. My great hope was that we will get a good vendor image with lineage, but it does not boot any gsi at the moment.
Nfounds vendor seems to be compatible with Oreo and pie. At the moment there is no sign for a pie only vendor image what would be great

Do all the GSIs available for the A7 get the irritating "vendor image mismatch" or "there's an internal problem with your device" on every bootup? I know it can be ignored but it's just annoying as hell. What causes this? I read that it has something to do with the boot/vendor signature/fingerprint not matching what the ROM expects to see. Is there a solution that makes these messages go away? I'm interested in trying a Treble Oreo GSI, but I need a daily driver that can be counted on, and so far I've had very little luck with getting GSIs to boot.
Which vendor image and boot image is correct for an A7 running a Treble ROM? The ones by Nfound? Or LineageOS? Or something else? It would be nice if ZTE would update our device to official Oreo and officially adopt Treble and a vendor partition. The A7 is classified by ZTE as an end of life/support device, with the Axon 9 due soon, the least they can do is bless us with this one last gift as a farewell.
I wouldnt mind running Pie, but I like using Xposed modules, so no go there. On the Oreo GSIs I've tried, exFAT MicroSD usually shows up as corrupt. This is unacceptable to me. And I must have my cache and data partitions as F2FS, for best performance. And a custom kernel.

Any AOSP roms?

Hi all, I'm wondering why we haven't any AOSP roms or ports from Pixel? I like one ui and all this staff but pure android seems to me be more exciting, even on our galaxies

You can use GSI roms on all Treble devices , use A/B scheme, even Android Q at your own risk , greater if you own a Exynos S10+

rangemogger said:
You can use GSI roms on all Treble devices , use A/B scheme, even Android Q at your own risk , greater if you own a Exynos S10+
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Im okay even with Android Pie, but still we dint have even it (roms ports). Can you actually explain smth about gsi roms? As i understood we need to cimpile it with our kernel etc. ?

You can find many GSI here https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble/trebleenabled-device-development and If a custom recovery is required use this https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ecovery-twrp-3-3-0-galaxy-s10-exynos-t3924856 ...at the moment it scares me

rangemogger said:
You can find many GSI here https://forum.xda-developers.com/project-treble/trebleenabled-device-development and If a custom recovery is required use this https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...ecovery-twrp-3-3-0-galaxy-s10-exynos-t3924856 ...at the moment it scares me
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Yeah, i checked it(twrp) up, it's really strange and scares) on htc hero it was much easy xD and about gsi seems that it really can work, maybe someday will try, if anybody haven't do it yet

More development here https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/how-to/project-treble-s10-t3923946

GSI roms?

Hello everyone, has someone already tried to flash a GSI ROM on the k20/mi9t?

Yes, I'm running PHH's AOSP 9.0.
Two big issues:
• Popup camera pops at every reboot
- It only popup and retract with commands
- Doesn' work when you use any camera app
• You have to wake up the screen to use the fingerprint
Popup camera is almost fixed, someone with a Redmi K20 Pro is working on it and Phhusson is cleaning the code.

Schnedi said:
Yes, I'm running PHH's AOSP 9.0.
Two big issues:
• Popup camera pops at every reboot
- It only popup and retract with commands
- Doesn' work when you use any camera app
• You have to wake up the screen to use the fingerprint
Popup camera is almost fixed, someone with a Redmi K20 Pro is working on it and Phhusson is cleaning the code.
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So you can use the guide from phhusson on github for the k20 pro for the k20/mi9T?

hmuny99 said:
So you can use the guide from phhusson on github for the k20 pro for the k20/mi9T?
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Yes, unless it's something specific for the Snapdragon 855, most of modifications should work in both devices.

I just tried flashing havoc OS GSI and it results in a boot loop at the Mi Logo

hmuny99 said:
Hello everyone, has someone already tried to flash a GSI ROM on the k20/mi9t?
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I try to find useful Information about GSI images but at the end I do not understand what diff's this from a crom like LineageOS.
Can Somebody explain what GSI is useful for.

I_did_it_just_tmrrow said:
I try to find useful Information about GSI images but at the end I do not understand what diff's this from a crom like LineageOS.
Can Somebody explain what GSI is useful for.
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A GSI rom Is a Generic System Image, in other words Is Simply an "Universal rom", you can literally flash It on every device compatible with project treble.
Standard Roms on the other side (like LOS) are made specifically for a single device

I dont know why peoples wants to install GSI ROM, ? half things doesnt work, better to wait for real ROMs for this device, if it will be once.

slavke1976 said:
I dont know why peoples wants to install GSI ROM, ? half things doesnt work, better to wait for real ROMs for this device, if it will be once.
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Speak for yourself, on my current device, that didn't even had treble at first (ZTE Axon 7) I'm running the same GSI image for 2 months now without a single issue!

FunkyRasta said:
Speak for yourself, on my current device, that didn't even had treble at first (ZTE Axon 7) I'm running the same GSI image for 2 months now without a single issue!
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But axon 7 is not xiaomi, and dont have miui. dont know what firmware your axon come with. But if you use mi9t/k20 to use gsi for now i dont see reason. if on your k20 is chines firmware, unlock bootloader and flash global, or XEU rom. and if your mi9t is with global, unlock bootloader install chines or xeu, or any other miui rom. and wait for other normal custom roms, this gsi have non senses for this kind of phones. there is sense for gsi for devices as huawei as you cant unlock bootloader, so no aosp custom roms, just treble or gsi.

slavke1976 said:
I dont know why peoples wants to install GSI ROM, ? half things doesnt work, better to wait for real ROMs for this device, if it will be once.
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We flash GSI because the really stable custom ROMS will come out at least 2-3 months from now, so unless you can tolerate the MIUI it is the only way to flash and use a quite stable custom ROM since patches for GSIs will arrive very soon for our device

Schnedi said:
Yes, I'm running PHH's AOSP 9.0.
Two big issues:
• Popup camera pops at every reboot
- It only popup and retract with commands
- Doesn' work when you use any camera app
• You have to wake up the screen to use the fingerprint
Popup camera is almost fixed, someone with a Redmi K20 Pro is working on it and Phhusson is cleaning the code.
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Can you tell more about whats work or not?Im thinking about buying Mi 9t or OP6t.Is everything else working fine?Like Bluetooth calling,Lte connection...Is gsi good as daily?Did you check others gsi?

sebcio2804 said:
Can you tell more about whats work or not?Im thinking about buying Mi 9t or OP6t.Is everything else working fine?Like Bluetooth calling,Lte connection...Is gsi good as daily?Did you check others gsi?
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For OP6T you dont need gsi roms, you have real aosp roms for that phone,

slavke1976 said:
For OP6T you dont need gsi roms, you have real aosp roms for that phone,
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I thinking about buying these devices and want to now how it is on Mi 9t and gsi.

sebcio2804 said:
I thinking about buying these devices and want to now how it is on Mi 9t and gsi.
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i dont know on mi9t as i dont use gsi, i just imagine you want to use gsi on op6t too

Havoc OS has the same issues AOSP has.
Now I'm trying LineageOS 16 and camera is partially fixed.
• It works with GCam and default camera
• Still pops up every reboot

Schnedi said:
Now I'm trying LineageOS 16 and camera is partially fixed.
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Can you share a link for people who want to try as well? I googled around a bit but couldn't find anything

olihey said:
Can you share a link for people who want to try as well? I googled around a bit but couldn't find anything
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here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...i-lineageos-16-0-gsi-arm64-ab-how-to-t3908029

HEY everyone sorry for interrupting but can we expect some roms for the k20 variant? Is there a developer ready to take on these

I hope it will be some
Sent from my Redmi K20 using Tapatalk

Active ROM's for the Axon 7

I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!

Im currently using stock A2017G B03 and move on with Huawei Mate 20x, i have been there done that with all known working GSI Roms and to be honest nothing feels as stable as stock especially when you need dolby atmos and banking apps, but if your device is not your primary device then you can try GSI Roms from Erfan or nFound.

Blankisblank said:
I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel

ibphantom said:
A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?

Blankisblank said:
So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.

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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?

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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.

ibphantom said:
When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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ibphantom said:
Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
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Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!

Blankisblank said:
Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
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Not that I know of. I'm able to use VoLTE and Viper4Android for the HD DAC and I'm on GSI.
Edit: And now that I remember, you should check out raystef66 ROMs. Those are still active for our phone and from an awesome dev.