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What to choose between them?
I know the specs but what is your opinion on what to chose?
For me it is easy to buy 4G in my country, but maybe it will be better to have dual sim.
I don`t know which one will have longer software support...I`ve heard that MIUI runs better on Snapdragon 400
I went for the 4G version and it`s......awesome.
Very pleased with the device (first i`ve tested that is not a clone) audio on headset is not bad as advertised (using poweramp for great audio ...) Display is sharp and saturation is pleasant , 3G/4G signal is good.
Regarding the size I cannot say that I am into 5.5" but in my hand this device fits perfectly (i had OPO and other 5,5 devices)
The low is the GPU but I can live with that.
Let`s start porting!
it totally depends on what are your requirements.....
for me .... was a dual sim.......
so went for Redmi note 3g dual sim version
Hi guys, first time poster here!
Can't really find confirmation anywhere.
Will the Xiaomi Redmi 3S (Snapdragon 430) and basically the vast majority of DSDS phones around now (excluding the Mi5 and probably the other Dual Sim Snapdragon 820 equipped), lose their second sim functionality when the 2G switchoff will be completed?
Background:
In Au the 2G switchoff will officially start at the end of this year, with the two biggest mobile networks having no 2G coverage by the 2nd qtr 2017. Same goes on for many countries around the world.
The Mi5 is reported to be "Netcom 3.0" compatible, meaning it can support up to 4G on one sim card and up to 3G on the other simultaneously in dual standby.
If the other phones (no matter how fresh the chipset is, if that feature is not enabled or implemented) doesn't have this capability then in a few months will basically be just regular single-sim phones.
Can anybody here shed some light on this?
Thank you a lot!
ziostamp said:
Hi guys, first time poster here!
Can't really find confirmation anywhere.
Will the Xiaomi Redmi 3S (Snapdragon 430) and basically the vast majority of DSDS phones around now (excluding the Mi5 and probably the other Dual Sim Snapdragon 820 equipped), lose their second sim functionality when the 2G switchoff will be completed?
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About Redmi 3S (and Mi Max) it says on mi.com that "When two SIM cards are used simultaneously, the primary SIM can support 4G calls and data while the secondary SIM can support 3G calls only" which sounds like it supports 4G + 3G?
But all phones that only support 4G + 2G will of course not having any reception on the second SIM with operators that have turned off 2G.
spesifikasi
Layar 5.0 Inci, IPS LCDCapasitive
Resolusi 720 x 1280 Pixel
Fingerprint Sensor
Memori Internal : 32 GB
Memori Eksternal: MicroSD Upto 256 GB
DualSIM GSM/GSM
Jaringan GPRS,EDGE, 3G
Jaringan 4G LTE
Kamera Belakang : 13 MP
LED Flash and PD Autofocus
Perekam : [email protected]
Kamera Depan : 5 MP
OS Android 6.0 Marshmallow
RAM 3 GB
WIFI, GPS, Bluetooth 4.1
FM Radio, MicroUSB v2.0, InfraRED
CPU Snapdragon 430
Octa-core 1.4 GHz Cortex-A53
GPU Adreno 505
Baterai Li-lon 4100 mAh
Non Removable
Introduction
This is the LeEco Le 2 X527 (Russia/International).
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Hardware
This device is powered by a powerful Qualcomm Snapdragon 652 MSM8976 (Quad 1.8GHz Cortex A72 +
Quad 1.4GHz Cortex A53 CPU and Adreno 510 GPU), together with 3GB of RAM and 32GB of ROM. Unlike previous LeEco devices, this is the Russian/International variant ready-to-use in Russia and all European Countries thanks to the preinstalled Google Services and the support to many LTE Bands (1/2/3/4/5/7/8/20/38/40/41). Everything else is exactly the same as the X520 (Chinese) and X526 (Indian) variants.
Unboxing
Packaging comes with some accessories: 1x Type-C Full Reversible USB Cable, 1x Quick Charge 3.0 (5V up to 12V) USB Charger, 1x Quick Start Guide, 1x Warranty Certificate, 1x Type-C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack (yeah, no built-in jack is here), 1x SIM Card Tray Tool, 1x TPU Cover and the Smartphone (of course).
The package itself feels, and looks, premium. Considering the price target of this device, it is pretty interesting to find such a good amount of accessories included, especially the QC 3.0 charger.
Just like all LeTV/LeEco devices, also this one features a Metal Chassis with Plastic Antenna Bands on the upper/lower sides of the rear. The device itself feels solid, pretty compact and well-made.
It is 15.12x7.43x0.79cm, probably one of the most compact 5.5" devices you can find, with huge bezels though. As regards its weight, it is super lightweight, only 156g.
On the front side there is the Standard (no 2.5D Curved) Display and the upper front side of the device features a Front-Facing Camera (with an interesting sensor size), an Earpiece, and the Sensors hole that includes Light and Proximity Sensors.
An RGB Notification LED is here, on the left.
On the lower front side there is the Touch Keys area, with Multitasking, Home and Back touch buttons. All buttons are backlit. (pretty bright too)
On the back side there is the unibody metal chassis, as mentioned before.
The upper rear side of the device features the Camera Sensor (OmniVision OV16880) supported by a single rounded Flashlight (Dual-Tone), and the huge Fingerprint Scanner with a mirror-like surface.
On the lower rear side there is just the LeEco logo with other minor things because the Speaker is placed near the USB port.
Device
Screen
LeEco choose to use a BOE screen (with NT35596s display controller) and the quality seems to be pretty good. I have not noticed any kind of issue, it is bright, with customizable color presets and excellent viewing angles.
Light Sensor supports ultra-smooth light changes, this is its maximum brightness.
Viewing Angles are as good as you would expect from an high-quality IPS panel.
Also the Touchscreen Panel is excellent, 10 points supported.
Camera
Something interesting about this device is the Rear Camera Sensor, an OmniVision OV16880 (16MP) with Optical Image Stabilization (OIS), PDAF and F2.0. Personally i found it to be great for photos in high and medium light conditions, but pretty average in low light conditions.
Photos taken using the default Photo mode are just fine, with an high amount of details and almost no image noise. Thanks to the image stabilization it is rare to not get a decent shot.
"HDR off" on the left and "HDR on" on the right.
Here you can see some photos taken without HDR and in different light conditions.
The Flashlight is super powerful, but it isn't real Dual-Tone. It is just a standard LED covered with a Dual-Color Plastic. Basically it looks pretty warm everytime, in any condition. A real Dual-Tone Flashlight has an indipendent LED for each color, with the software that chooses which one to use.
Macro Photos look decent, a bit out of focus if you don't play a lot with the tap-to-focus feature.
As regards Video Recording, the camera is able to record 4K and Full-HD videos at maximum 30FPS (no 1080p60 is here), and the quality is good even though the Optical Image Stabilization doesn't seem to be super-efficient compared to other devices. I might post a Camcorder Sample soon.
The Front Camera is probably not as good as you would expect from an high-quality 8MP camera sensor, seems to have some focus issues. Just like the Rear Camera, also this one suffers a bit in low-light conditions.
Audio
This is where LeEco shows its capabilities. Everything, starting from the Speaker ending with the Microphone, is perfect here. At least on my device, the speaker sounds great, with and without Dolby Atmos.
As you might have already noticed, this is a device that doesn't feature a 3.5mm Headphone Jack. It uses CDLA (Continual Digital Lossless Audio) instead, that provides the best audio quality using the USB Type-C port.
Even using the 3.5mm adapter you will get higher audio quality compared to standard 3.5mm devices. Ok, this is not a feature that everyone would appreciate, because you can't charge the device in the same time while using your Headphones, but for audiophiles this is definitely an appreciated feature.
The Microphone works perfect, the same applies for the Earpiece. I have tested it with Normal 3G Calls (no VoLTE is available here) and VOIP, everyone was able to hear my voice perfectly and i had no issues in hearing the third-party too.
GPS
When it comes to GPS Quality all Qualcomm Devices work great, Mediatek and others still have to learn a lot in this area, and as you might notice here the GPS is working perfect. More than 24 satellites in view outdoors, and indoors it is able to get some signal enough to get a more or less precise location.
Indoors on the left, outdoors on the right.
Telephony, Mobile Network & WiFi
Thanks to the 4G Band 20 support (some other Chinese Smartphones don’t have it, including some other LeEco devices), i was able to get some 4G signal almost everywhere.
4G Network Speed is higher than average, other devices tested in the same room, same position, were not able to get such high speed (photo on the left). I have also tested other bands speed (well, others supported by my Mobile Operator), result on the right.
WiFi 5GHz is supported here, and its speed is great. It supports only 1x1 Stream (Snap 652 WiFi Hardware limit), enough to get almost full-speed from my Broadband Internet Connection. (VDSL 100/20)
Battery Life
I have measured the real battery capacity using my USB Tester, and it seems that the real battery capacity matches the declared one. (declared 3000mAh, real ~3010mAh).
I lost my PCMark Battery Test (software bug), but i managed to find its duration in the Battery Stats. Not a great battery life unfortunately, lower than average, barely reaching 4 hours of screen-on time.
As regards battery charging times, thanks to the Quick Charge 3.0 support, together with the already included QC 3.0 charger, i managed to full-charge the device in almost no time. I will not say how many minutes because it highly depends on the device's temperature and other factors.
Software
Being an Android Developer this LeEco UI (or EUI) is not something i appreciate so much, but, good news, my idol @codeworkx has already developed a great LineageOS (ex CyanogenMod) ROM for this device.
Anyway, talking about the pre-installed software, the device runs on Android 6.0 (customized as mentioned before) with Security Patches updated to August 2016 (because this X527 software release doesn't support OTA Updates, neither new updates are available online). Thankfully all LeEco Chinese Stuff has been removed, and all Google Apps/Services are working great out-of-box.
Somehow they choose to pre-install 4 useless apps: UC Browser, 9Apps, Yahoo Weather and UC News. As you can see here, UC Apps can be disabled, everything else can be uninstalled.
Similar to MiraVision (for Mediatek), there are some customized screen profiles. Also, there are some interesting features such as Pocket Dial Protection, etc...
Almost all sensors are available here, high-quality hardware has been used.
As regards the Fingerprint Scanner management, it is easy to configure, easier than AOSP (in my opinion), with a maximum of 5 fingers that can be saved. It is fast, accurate, but the scanner itself is a bit over-sized.
Even if the Notification LED supports multiple colors, the software doesn't allow you to customize anything.
Benchmarks
I have used 3DMark, AndroBench, Antutu Benchmark, Epic Citadel, GeekBench 3, GFXBench, PCMark (Work 2.0, Computer Vision, Storage & Work 1.0) and Vellamo to stress the device to the limit. I won’t test Games or Video Playback because there are already some related tests included in these Benchmark suites.
3DMark – GPU Performance is high, OpenGL 2 games manages to get smooth 60FPS while OpenGL 3 require some more power.
AndroBench – Average eMMC Performance, unlike Snap 820 this isn't using UFS so you can't expect something better, at least not on EXT4 FS.
Antutu Benchmark – I won’t say a lot about this benchmark, this isn’t as reliable as others (well benchmarks are not reliable at all, imagine how bad this is). I’m providing this just for Antutu lovers.
Epic Citadel – 3D Performance is good enough to get almost 60FPS with heavy games.
GeekBench – CPU Performance matches the Snapdragon 820 in single-core tests, and beats the Snapdragon 810 in multi-core tests.
CPU
Compute
GFXBench – GPU Performance here seems to be a bit capped, i think some thermal throttling got triggered during this benchmark.
PCMark – Nothing to say about these scores.
Work 2.0
Computer Vision
Storage
Work 1.0
Vellamo – Well, top-ranked in all tests, beating Snapdragon 810 devices. Impressive.
This Snapdragon 652 is a real beast, the best compromise between the Snapdragon 810 and 820, providing low battery usage with great daily performance.
Conclusions
Being the first LeEco device i ever try i have to say that i am impressed, and i have also to admit that every previous device i have reviewed in the past is not able to match the quality of this one. (except the Doogee F7 Pro, interesting competitor)
It is nice to see that, somehow, LeEco choose to enter the Russian Market (and indirectly International, thanks to its LTE bands support and built-in Google Services) providing one the best cheapest device you can find. Ok, for the same price there are also some other devices, but this is unique. Slim, lightweight and with great overall quality. Also, LeEco is now Developer-Friendly, providing source code for all devices.
Be careful though, i am not saying that this is a perfect device, its battery life is not great and the pre-installed software doesn't support OTA updates, but everything else is just great for the price.
So, do I recommend it? Definitely Yes!
Pros:
Lightweight
Bright Screen
Backlit Touch-Keys
Great Rear Camera Quality with OIS
Outstanding Performance
QC 3.0 Charger and TPU Cover included
Cons:
Barely Sufficient Battery Life
No OTA Updates supported (16s software release)
Over-Sized Fingerprint Scanner
Average Camera (both) Quality in low light conditions
No Type-C Earphones included
Rating: 9.1
Packaging and Accessories: 9.5
Design and Materials: 9.5
Performance and Heat Dissipation: 10
Screen: 9
Camera: 9
Sound: 9
Battery Life: 7
Software: 8
OEM Support: 10
Price: 10
You can find full-res images (I know, Quality isn't excellent) here: http://imgur.com/a/emuqv
Official Website: http://le.ru/catalog/phones/le2
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Awesome Review Bro!!!! Very well explained. Each areas clearly covered..:fingers-crossed:
Hope to see some development in future for this little beast from your side
mdfarazb2 said:
Awesome Review Bro!!!! Very well explained. Each areas clearly covered..:fingers-crossed:
Hope to see some development in future for this little beast from your side
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Well I'll start to contribute @codeworkx work as soon as I finish my university exams. In the meanwhile, I'm studying this device
Alberto96 said:
Well I'll start to contribute @codeworkx work as soon as I finish my university exams. In the meanwhile, I'm studying this device
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That's Great!!!! We would be happy to have you with us!!!
Alberto96 said:
Well I'll start to contribute @codeworkx work as soon as I finish my university exams. In the meanwhile, I'm studying this device
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I am currently using lineage os build by @codeworkx . Its a great feeling that we have got another recognized developer. Looking forward to your developments for our little beast. Thank you bro.
For those who need to update their X527 device to the latest eUI 5.8.019s release (X527-only), this is the link: https://cloud.mail.ru/public/MCGu/ym1X18Cfi
I found it today, updated using Local OTA (via recovery, without any wipe), and it is working just great. Smoother, some minor bugs have been fixed and, finally, there is an OTA Update app pre-installed.
Hi Alberto you can also try all the BB72 roms, they work on the x527 also.
you can improve a lot the battery with greenify and amplify... i get 6h of sot easily. on my x520
Best result was with the Cm13, 7-7,5h of sot! amazing.
Look at the cpu frequecies with kernel auditor... a72 minimun freq is 800mhz, not 400mhz. A53 is fixed at 600mhz not 400. Try to set the governor of the a72 cluster to "powersafe", you can't notice a single lag.
By the way i returned to the EUI 19s now, becuse on the cm13 when i turn off the mobile data and switch on again the signal goes zero and it's unable to connect again
(scusa il mio pessimo inglese)
alessiogentile said:
Hi Alberto you can also try all the BB72 roms, they work on the x527 also.
you can improve a lot the battery with greenify and amplify... i get 6h of sot easily. on my x520
Best result was with the Cm13, 7-7,5h of sot! amazing.
Look at the cpu frequecies with kernel auditor... a72 minimun freq is 800mhz, not 400mhz. A53 is fixed at 600mhz not 400. Try to set the governor of the a72 cluster to "powersafe", you can't notice a single lag.
By the way i returned to the EUI 19s now, becuse on the cm13 when i turn off the mobile data and switch on again the signal goes zero and it's unable to connect again
(scusa il mio pessimo inglese)
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Stock EUI made by LeEco for the X527 works better than any Custom ROM. BB72 or other cookers ROMs are only good on devices that didn't came with Google Services pre-installed. (e.g. X520 and other Chinese Variants).
Thanks mate. I will get this little beauty by next week. I will retire my HTC M8 then. Hope this device can live up to the M8.
the 16s, the phone was shipped with had german language, i updated to 19s for the x527 and now german is gone? how can that be?
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the 16s, the phone was shipped with had german language, i updated to 19s for the x527 and now german is gone? how can that be?
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Normal, latest Official 19s (X527) doesn't support many languages.
@Alberto96 the 19s provided the Italian language?
Inviato dal mio ZP999 utilizzando Tapatalk
command0 said:
@Alberto96 the 19s provided the Italian language?
Inviato dal mio ZP999 utilizzando Tapatalk
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Nope.
Have you tried it?
Alberto96 said:
For those who need to update their X527 device to the latest eUI 5.8.019s release (X527-only), this is the link: https://cloud.mail.ru/public/MCGu/ym1X18Cfi
I found it today, updated using Local OTA (via recovery, without any wipe), and it is working just great. Smoother, some minor bugs have been fixed and, finally, there is an OTA Update app pre-installed.
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Has anyone tried this ROM?
I have installed this ROM and i don't have 4G connection on my phone. It finds the 4G network (Vodafone 4G) manually but when i click it says network unavailable.
Automatically the phone runs only with H/H+
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Has anyone tried this ROM?
I have installed this ROM and i don't have 4G connection on my phone. It finds the 4G network (Vodafone 4G) manually but when i click it says network unavailable.
Automatically the phone runs only with H/H+
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I'm still using the device with this 19s ROM, 4G working perfect with my Mobile Operator. (TIM Italy)
There is something else that is causing this issue at your end, such as a non-4G SIM Card (replacement is the only way to fix it) or the unavailability of the 4G Service in your Mobile Plan. (you need to enable this option, that might be free or not based on your plan)
Alberto96 said:
I'm still using the device with this 19s ROM, 4G working perfect with my Mobile Operator. (TIM Italy)
There is something else that is causing this issue at your end, such as a non-4G SIM Card (replacement is the only way to fix it) or the unavailability of the 4G Service in your Mobile Plan. (you need to enable this option, that might be free or not based on your plan)
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Thanks for your reply!
My SIM Card does have 4G Service. I have used it with my old LETV 1s. Even with the limited 4G bands of the phone it got 4G connection in the available areas.
Can such an issue come from using the same SIM Card on two phones?
I have noticed that the second SIM Card shows me just 2G networks although it should be able to run on H or H+. A friend told me that this could be normal when both cards are used at the same time. So the one gets the "full power" and the other one just the minimum. Is this true or can both slots get 4G connection (if both cards are 4G).
I use the one SIM just for data and the other for calls and messages.
Thanks!
san.medius said:
Thanks for your reply!
My SIM Card does have 4G Service. I have used it with my old LETV 1s. Even with the limited 4G bands of the phone it got 4G connection in the available areas.
Can such an issue come from using the same SIM Card on two phones?
I have noticed that the second SIM Card shows me just 2G networks although it should be able to run on H or H+. A friend told me that this could be normal when both cards are used at the same time. So the one gets the "full power" and the other one just the minimum. Is this true or can both slots get 4G connection (if both cards are 4G).
I use the one SIM just for data and the other for calls and messages.
Thanks!
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This is weird. I don't know then.
This device should support 4G on the first SIM and 3G on the second SIM. Both cards can't use 4G in the same time.
Sound levels too high on the X527
Does anyone know how to modify the sound levels?
The lowest level is still too loud for an office environment.
With the Mediatek chip you could enter the Engineering menue and modify a lot.
Can anyone tell me if this is possible on the Sapdragon as well?
Do you still think the V20 is worth getting in 2017 in the context of S8/+ that's here & coming Essential phone, Pixel 2s, Note 8, V30 none of which are expected to have a user replaceable battery it seems (could this be the last high end model with a user replaceable battery after the Samsung Note 4) & its current <$400 price?
So what do you still like about your V20, what don't you like & is there a best model to get for updates or other factors?:good:
My initial impressions/background: I liked the V20 when it first came out for its removable battery, expandable storage, bright IPS sharp display, fingerprint reader & power button in a very sensible location, the secondary screen & IR blaster but didn't think it was worth the $800 price without front facing stereo speakers & wasn't particularly impressed by the cameras especially front facing but now it can be had for <$400 & hate my Nexus 6P battery life at this point while loving my Samsung Note 4 quick swappable battery. I also have a Moto X Pure I got a great deal on ~18 months ago with its great front facing stereo speakers & bright IPS display & expandable storage but it's battery life also is weak without a user replaceable battery.
I will take another look at the V20 at its current price, is there are difference between unlocked http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US996-Unlocked-v20-titan & T-Mobile http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-H918-Titan-v20 (which I could unlock if needed) with warranty & international LG V20 H990DS Unlocked International Model-No Warranty model in terms of updates or other factors because I've read that the Unlocked US996 model has not been getting updates while I'm wondering if the T-Mobile or International gets updates..?
Despite Quad DAC, I was disappointed by the V20 speaker but have since found https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HEYIPGK impressive headphone jack speaker & https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XYBWXG1 cool compact floating bluetooth waterproof speaker that will make it easier to bypass that weakness & could use another phone I have if the front facing camera continues to disappoint. I also saw some impressive V20 video optical image stabilization footage.
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I watched a lot of reviews before getting the v20. Coming from the Note 4 edge I can say I'm happy with it. I just got sick of Samsungs bloatware.
I would say if you're not an audiophile and use your camera in auto mode then there is little going for the v20
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I watched a lot of reviews before getting the v20. Coming from the Note 4 edge I can say I'm happy with it. I just got sick of Samsungs bloatware.
I would say if you're not an audiophile and use your camera in auto mode then there is little going for the v20
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Interesting since I have the Note 4 & love the battery swapability, I'm going to watch more video reviews before a decision. I am an audiophile so its single downward speaker was a deal breaker at it original 2x asking price compared to my Nexus 6P & Moto X Pure front facing stereo speakers but just would likely use external speakers (headphones-bluetooth speakers) with it. I'll test out the camera manual mode features when I take another look, I like options as long as it doesn't take too long to get through them.
Do you have the unlocked or a carrier model-do you care about the updates issue?
If a removable battery is a high priority then the v20 would be worth it on that alone because I think this phone is the last of the removable battery featured in a high end phone. V30 looks to be going the way of the G6.
Really sucks I am disappointed with smart phones trend to go the non-removable, glass enclosed and stupid 30 minute water resistance.
Its an excellent phone and I think it's a better value than the G6 is.
Samsung is just bloated garbage, so much junkware I would not pick an s8. Samsung has this idea that their phones are worth more than the competition and their continued trend of increasing phone prices is something I do not support.
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Another nice feature is the second screen, set it to "always on" (still turns off in your pocket etc) and you can see the time and notifications without having to touch the phone at all.
The v20 is just a bit taller then the Note 4 but slightly thinner, it fits just a well in my hand and feels better due to its all metal back. If you like the size of the Note you'll have no problem with the v20
My biggest complaint is the glass has a slight curve at the top and bottom that make full tempered glass screen proctors nearly impossible. I have noticeable scratches in my screen because I didnt want to use a plastic screen protector!!!
Also the power button on the back to me is a bit weird and I miss the physical home buttons.
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If a removable battery is a high priority then the v20 would be worth it on that alone because I think this phone is the last of the removable battery featured in a high end phone. V30 looks to be going the way of the G6.
Really sucks I am disappointed with smart phones trend to go the non-removable, glass enclosed and stupid 30 minute water resistance.
Its an excellent phone and I think it's a better value than the G6 is.
Samsung is just bloated garbage, so much junkware I would not pick an s8. Samsung has this idea that their phones are worth more than the competition and their continued trend of increasing phone prices is something I do not support.
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I do find it ironic that Samsung moved away from the Note 4's removable battery to subsequently have enclosed battery defects overheat-explode costing them billions which could have been avoided if they just stuck with the removable batteries that had made consumers-power users happy. Also why not just have an Active/Sport model or even Samsung designed cases for those who want manufacture certified water resistance..?
I did know before I got the Nexus 6P that its enclosed battery would cause issues but not as bad or quick as it did which only reinforces my appreciation for removable batteries. I will likely still go through the hassle of replacing its enclosed battery but I've had to carry around and depend on external batteries with a sense of dread over the N6P's degrading internal battery life. I may ask the Essential phone team for example why they & Google no longer care about removable batteries or headphone jacks (is it to conform to Apple proprietary "curator" ways instead of empowering the actual end users)?
I'd be willing to pay the high prices if there weren't such compromises..
k.dos said:
Another nice feature is the second screen, set it to "always on" (still turns off in your pocket etc) and you can see the time and notifications without having to touch the phone at all.
The v20 is just a bit taller then the Note 4 but slightly thinner, it fits just a well in my hand and feels better due to its all metal back. If you like the size of the Note you'll have no problem with the v20
My biggest complaint is the glass has a slight curve at the top and bottom that make full tempered glass screen proctors nearly impossible. I have noticeable scratches in my screen because I didnt want to use a plastic screen protector!!!
Also the power button on the back to me is a bit weird and I miss the physical home buttons.
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I typically use a case (with a lip to protect the screen) like https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N5M72E0 without screen protectors & have never had screen damage. Gorilla glass 4 with case lip not enough?
I like its fingerprint-power button location & hope it will cause less accidental power offs than on sides near volume controls & I haven't personally missed the physical home button. Regarding the kind of control the user has over the secondary screen I found the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yInN7OV4M3k useful.
When I take another look at the V20 this week I will run through all the options but always appreciate owner experience feedback
So no difference between the US996 Unlocked model vs carrier/T-mobile model in terms of updates (or Wi-Fi Calling calling)?
SMARTPHONEPC said:
I am an audiophile so its single downward speaker was a deal breaker at it original 2x asking price compared to my Nexus 6P & Moto X Pure front facing stereo speakers but just would likely use external speakers (headphones-bluetooth speakers) with it.
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Sorry, but an audiophile would not be interested in the quality of the speakers even if there were two of them.
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I purchased an unlocked G4 which was supposed to have been comparable with all my T-mobile carrier bands. But I later learned in a Redditt post that it in fact was missing an important one which resulted in connectivity problems. So when the prices dropped on the V20, I made sure to get the carrier model. Now I have much better reception as well as Wifi Calling and FM radio, neither of which are available through the unlocked version.
jian said:
Sorry, but an audiophile would not be interested in the quality of the speakers even if there were two of them.
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OK jian I'll let you the true audiophile define what sounds good to me in every practical circumstance.. I'll also give up bluetooth forever only to buy your brand of wired equipment to live in your good graces..
I profusely apologize that I can appreciate handheld dual front facing stereo speakers as offered in my Nexus 6P & Moto X Pure.
Sarcasm aside, I won't make excuses for LGs easily muffled V20's uninspiring single downward firing mono speaker.
BTW, is there a failing speaker issue https://www.google.com/search?q=lg+v20+speaker+issue or is it the speaker grille according to https://android.gadgethacks.com/how...eaker-sound-with-simple-hardware-mod-0176333/ & https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/enable-dual-speaker-stereo-sound-your-lg-v20-0176433/ ?
Lg v20 DS990 is below $400 on ebay. Great price. Standby is amazing, manual mode and audio superb. Battery drains 15% or more per hour with screen on, but batteries are cheap. Auto camera mode is poor, including autofocus. Great build quality, no bootloops. So if you are okay with these things, go for it! It's crazy paying 800 for Samsung, made from effing glass! And this comes with screen protector already applied. Dropped it once with Spiegel cash (must have case), no problems. Phone is fast and I love secondary screen.
Medevac1 said:
I purchased an unlocked G4 which was supposed to have been comparable with all my T-mobile carrier bands. But I later learned in a Redditt post that it in fact was missing an important one which resulted in connectivity problems. So when the prices dropped on the V20, I made sure to get the carrier model. Now I have much better reception as well as Wifi Calling and FM radio, neither of which are available through the unlocked version.
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Thanks Medevac1 but that's comparing 2 different devices, has anyone compared or experienced the unlocked US996 model vs the T-mobile H918 model on T-Mobile?
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US996-Unlocked-v20-titan
"US996 Unlocked Technical Specifications:
Technology CDMA, WCDMA, GSM, UMTS, LTE
Network CDMA, GSM, LTE Multi-Band/Multi-Mode
Frequencies CDMA 1.9 GHz CDMA PCS/800 MHz CDMA; GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz; LTE Bands 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/20/25
Data Transmission EVDO, EVDO Rev A, 1xRTT, LTE, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, GSM, HSPA+, HSPA
Connectivity:
4G LTE Network* Yes
Mobile Hotspot** Share a 4G LTE data connection with 8 other compatible wireless devices***
* 4G LTE network not available everywhere
Wi-Fi Calling** Use Wi-Fi to improve voice and data coverage
** Wireless service required. Product features subject to change. Features based on carrier program availability."
Vs.
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-H918-Titan-v20
"T-Mobile H918 Technical Specifications:
Technology GSM, LTE, WCDMA
Network GSM, LTE, WCDMA
Frequencies GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, LTE Bands 2/4/12/66, Roaming 1/3/5/7/13/20, WCDMA Bands B2/B4, WCDMA Roaming B1/B5
Data Transmission GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/LTE
Connectivity:
T-Mobile 4G LTE Network* Yes
Wi-Fi Calling** Use Wi-Fi to improve voice and data coverage
VoLTE Capability Enables HD Voice****** and enhanced communications over the cellular network***
* T-Mobile’s 4G LTE Network not available everywhere
** T-Mobile Wireless service required. Product features subject to change. Features based on carrier program availability. Additional charges may apply.
*** Depends on network availability.
Where I usually am T-Mobile is best at the moment (speed tested all carriers but not with this device) but that could change over time or obviously when traveling where T-Mobile is far less reliably good so shouldn't I get the unlocked US996 model..?
T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling (& FM radio) can not be enabled in the unlocked US996 model?
herrzeba said:
Lg v20 DS990 is below $400 on ebay. Great price. Standby is amazing, manual mode and audio superb. Battery drains 15% or more per hour with screen on, but batteries are cheap. Auto camera mode is poor, including autofocus. Great build quality, no bootloops. So if you are okay with these things, go for it! It's crazy paying 800 for Samsung, made from effing glass! And this comes with screen protector already applied. Dropped it once with Spiegel cash (must have case), no problems. Phone is fast and I love secondary screen.
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Anyone here in the US using the LG V20 H990DS 64GB Dual Sim, GSM Unlocked International Model, No Warranty model on T-Mobile or any carrier?
SMARTPHONEPC said:
Thanks Medevac1 but that's comparing 2 different devices, has anyone compared or experienced the unlocked US996 model vs the T-mobile H918 model on T-Mobile?
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-US996-Unlocked-v20-titan
"US996 Unlocked Technical Specifications:
Technology CDMA, WCDMA, GSM, UMTS, LTE
Network CDMA, GSM, LTE Multi-Band/Multi-Mode
Frequencies CDMA 1.9 GHz CDMA PCS/800 MHz CDMA; GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz; LTE Bands 2/3/4/5/7/12/13/17/20/25
Data Transmission EVDO, EVDO Rev A, 1xRTT, LTE, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, GSM, HSPA+, HSPA
Connectivity:
4G LTE Network* Yes
Mobile Hotspot** Share a 4G LTE data connection with 8 other compatible wireless devices***
* 4G LTE network not available everywhere
Wi-Fi Calling** Use Wi-Fi to improve voice and data coverage
** Wireless service required. Product features subject to change. Features based on carrier program availability."
Vs.
http://www.lg.com/us/cell-phones/lg-H918-Titan-v20
"T-Mobile H918 Technical Specifications:
Technology GSM, LTE, WCDMA
Network GSM, LTE, WCDMA
Frequencies GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz, LTE Bands 2/4/12/66, Roaming 1/3/5/7/13/20, WCDMA Bands B2/B4, WCDMA Roaming B1/B5
Data Transmission GPRS/EDGE/UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/LTE
Connectivity:
T-Mobile 4G LTE Network* Yes
Wi-Fi Calling** Use Wi-Fi to improve voice and data coverage
VoLTE Capability Enables HD Voice****** and enhanced communications over the cellular network***
* T-Mobile’s 4G LTE Network not available everywhere
** T-Mobile Wireless service required. Product features subject to change. Features based on carrier program availability. Additional charges may apply.
*** Depends on network availability.
Where I usually am T-Mobile is best at the moment (speed tested all carriers but not with this device) but that could change over time or obviously when traveling where T-Mobile is far less reliably good so shouldn't I get the unlocked US996 model..?
T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling (& FM radio) can not be enabled in the unlocked US996 model?
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Why can't GM radio be enable I think what US unlocked version?
My post was more a comparison of experiences rather than phone to phone. Both the LG 4 unlocked and the V20 were US996 models which were originally designed to work for US Cellular phones. I was just pointing out that given this there are certain trade offs with using these phones on the TMO network.
Pretty sure I'm getting one just because of the replaceable battery.
Just can't decide between the unlocked US version and Verizon version.
LG just announced they were making the bootloader unlock app available for all Unlocked models of those phones.
I think the VZW version may have been updated to eliminate the unlocking capability.
ymDroid said:
Pretty sure I'm getting one just because of the replaceable battery.
Just can't decide between the unlocked US version and Verizon version.
LG just announced they were making the bootloader unlock app available for all Unlocked models of those phones.
I think the VZW version may have been updated to eliminate the unlocking capability.
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Wait really? so that means i can root my sprint lg v20 which is on zv6?
kel29738 said:
Wait really? so that means i can root my sprint lg v20 which is on zv6?
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The following phones can now have their bootloader's unlocked by LG unlocking tool.
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
• LG G6: US997.USA for the U.S. open market
• LG G6: H870 for the European market
• LG V20: US996.USA for the U.S. open market
• LG V10: H960A for the European market and Android M (Except France)
• LG G5 SE: H840 for the European market
• LG G5: RS988 for the U.S. open market
• LG G5: H850 for the European market
• LG G4: H815 for the European market
So this makes the unlocked version a plus.
Checked out the V20 again Monday night in an AT&T store but only had like 20 minutes where it was next to the G6 & not too far away from the Samsung S8+. Issues I'd like to be able to resolve before hitting a buy button even at this lower price:
1) If I bought the V20 it would be the worst built in speaker I've ever put up with (maybe this unit was defective but I shouldn't assume so). Beyond videos, music however brief, voicecalls, I'd frankly like everything to sound acceptable without external speakers so I'd have to try How To Fix/Improve LG V20 Speaker Sound Quality. That YouTube video unfortunately does not demonstrate before-after, has anyone done this "simple hardware mod" described at https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/improve-your-lg-v20s-speaker-sound-with-simple-hardware-mod-0176333 with what results?
I could comment that the G6 speaker did sound more acceptable in a brief test (but still not impressive) & when I looked at the same downward firing speaker location on the G6 it did not appear to have any or at least the same thick crowded speaker grill that could be muffling the V20 sound so perhaps it could be improved..
2) Screen is too blue as reported at https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/color-calibration-screen-to-6504k-v20-t3484489 so I'd have to try https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/arent-satisfied-v20-screen-color-temp-t3492061 - https://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-v20/739129-how-adjustlg-v20-screen-color-calibration.html , has anyone done this?
The AT&T store model does not let me get into settings so as is the V20 screen was not as good as my Moto X Pure (colors or brightness) but the V20's brightness spectrum seemed acceptable & hopefully the aforementioned color adjustment can be improved while my Nexus 6P whites are comparatively yellowish. The Samsung S8+ colors & brightness were impressive but still didn't feel the need to get it overall especially without a removable battery.
SMARTPHONEPC said:
Checked out the V20 again Monday night in an AT&T store but only had like 20 minutes where it was next to the G6 & not too far away from the Samsung S8+. Issues I'd like to be able to resolve before hitting a buy button even at this lower price:
1) If I bought the V20 it would be the worst built in speaker I've ever put up with (maybe this unit was defective but I shouldn't assume so). Beyond videos, music however brief, voicecalls, I'd frankly like everything to sound acceptable without external speakers so I'd have to try How To Fix/Improve LG V20 Speaker Sound Quality. That YouTube video unfortunately does not demonstrate before-after, has anyone done this "simple hardware mod" described at https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/improve-your-lg-v20s-speaker-sound-with-simple-hardware-mod-0176333 with what results?
I could comment that the G6 speaker did sound more acceptable in a brief test (but still not impressive) & when I looked at the same downward firing speaker location on the G6 it did not appear to have any or at least the same thick crowded speaker grill that could be muffling the V20 sound so perhaps it could be improved..
2) Screen is too blue as reported at https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/help/color-calibration-screen-to-6504k-v20-t3484489 so I'd have to try https://forum.xda-developers.com/v20/themes/arent-satisfied-v20-screen-color-temp-t3492061 - https://forums.androidcentral.com/lg-v20/739129-how-adjustlg-v20-screen-color-calibration.html , has anyone done this?
The AT&T store model does not let me get into settings so as is the V20 screen was not as good as my Moto X Pure (colors or brightness) but the V20's brightness spectrum seemed acceptable & hopefully the aforementioned color adjustment can be improved while my Nexus 6P whites are comparatively yellowish. The Samsung S8+ colors & brightness were impressive but still didn't feel the need to get it overall especially without a removable battery.
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ymDroid posted about https://flash.newegg.com/Product/9SIAAM853A4091 where you can see the potentially sound muffling speaker grill in question that owners have removed as detailed above, close ups below:
I can try to install https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.lumen on the store demo model for color calibration controls. Even unrooted, I find it worth the install.
Hello,
Since 3 years I using Sony Xperia Z1. Once I changed battery but now (after 8 months) I have much of dusty on camera. With new battery I have max 2h SoT. Every 4-6 moths I must make hard reset because system going slower. I know, that problems is easy to repair but I don't have more strength to do that. So I decide to buy new phone. After 3 month research i decide to Xiaomi Mi A1 thanks to battery and camera (with hdr+ ofc). On the Black Friday I want buy Xiaomi Mi A1. Before that I need to know few things. If somebody tested it or can do test I will be pleasure.
1. How is with GPS ? I use very often navigation in car.
2. How is with switch between 4G <-> 3G <-> 2G, there is any issue ? I will use sim + memory card
3. How is with voice calls, there is a good quality ?
4. How long you using that phone and could you tell me you are happy with him?
Thanks all for read and for response.
All the above works well on this phone. Although some people reported that there is some Network jumping from 3g to 2g and vice versa but I didn't pass through any of these ( although Network strength might be a factor). Great phone to buy in the price range. Using this phone since 2 months I guess and no problem faced although low light performance of the camera is not that good but under good light it's the best in the price range.
I have slight issues with the mobile signal but most likely it's the fault of my carrier, they just can't keep a steady 4G signal. The dual back camera is great on daylight and on well-lit places but if you use it on low-light, the picture quality is horrendous. Front camera pictures range from okay to meh.
Its build quality is superb, the fingerprint sensor is fast and the GPS has no problems locking on with any moving vehicle. I've been using this phone since September, so far the only issue is with the Ambient Light sensor which has a known bug but haven't been fixed yet.