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Okay this is a HUGE a huge disappointment to me. I have a Netgear b/g/n router and it seems to drop the N connection (where I get 3/4 bars) and return to the g connection (1/4 bars) and limits speeds to 5mbps. Please tell me I am not the only one with this problem and that it will be fixed. I know I've not heard this problem before...
P.s. I am sitting in the same room with my Xbox Slim and it maintains n the whole time, so no, I don't think its my router...
Wow. Almost 50 views and no comments. I wonder if it's just mine. Anyone know the exchange policy at Costco after 2 weeks?
Ive heard some wireless routers advertised as N can only really support one wireless N connection at a time.
Shouldn't have gotten a netgear router.
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Okay this is a HUGE a huge disappointment to me. I have a Netgear b/g/n router and it seems to drop the N connection (where I get 3/4 bars) and return to the g connection (1/4 bars) and limits speeds to 5mbps. Please tell me I am not the only one with this problem and that it will be fixed. I know I've not heard this problem before...
P.s. I am sitting in the same room with my Xbox Slim and it maintains n the whole time, so no, I don't think its my router...
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Why do you need "N" to work? Do you have internet speeds that fast? Are you getting dsl or cable running at 300mbps? I mean thats the only logic for wanting N on your phone, to have the internet be that fast. You do realize, the internet wont be any faster just because it travels over N vs G. If your internet is 10mbps, its going to be 10mbps over both G and N.
Recently my friend insisted that her new router be N, even though it was more expensive. She insisted she wants the fastest router. Then I said "You know...your home DSL is only 1.5mbps...having G or N won't matter, it will travel at 1.5mbps on G or N either way, you can't even max out G yet"
So my question to you is, why do you need N speeds coming to your phone. Are you under the impression this will make your internet faster? Is your internet speed 300mbps? If your internet is standard DSL or cable, you haven't even reached the top G speeds yet.
Is this making any sense?
I mean unless you do file sharing, thats a different story, but what kind of massive file sharing would you do between your phone and the router? LOL phones don't even hold that much information.
So even if they come out with Z technology thats 1 million times faster than current N, if your home internet is still standard DSL, doesn't matter if you run G/N/Z or any other alphabet letter.
take care
I asked a similar question a while back. This was the answer I got and it proved to be accurate.
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The Vibrant's wifi is, as far as I know, 2.4 GHz only, but a typical dual band router setup does b/g only on 2.4 and n only at 5.8. If you have the option to do b/g/n on the 2.4 GHz band it should work.
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Why do you need "N" to work? Do you have internet speeds that fast? Are you getting dsl or cable running at 300mbps? I mean thats the only logic for wanting N on your phone, to have the internet be that fast. You do realize, the internet wont be any faster just because it travels over N vs G. If your internet is 10mbps, its going to be 10mbps over both G and N.
Recently my friend insisted that her new router be N, even though it was more expensive. She insisted she wants the fastest router. Then I said "You know...your home DSL is only 1.5mbps...having G or N won't matter, it will travel at 1.5mbps on G or N either way, you can't even max out G yet"
So my question to you is, why do you need N speeds coming to your phone. Are you under the impression this will make your internet faster? Is your internet speed 300mbps? If your internet is standard DSL or cable, you haven't even reached the top G speeds yet.
Is this making any sense?
I mean unless you do file sharing, thats a different story, but what kind of massive file sharing would you do between your phone and the router? LOL phones don't even hold that much information.
So even if they come out with Z technology thats 1 million times faster than current N, if your home internet is still standard DSL, doesn't matter if you run G/N/Z or any other alphabet letter.
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why have a car that can do 60 mph when the car that does 30 mph will get you where you're going, eventually. /s
vibrant + allshare + NAS = happy tunes anywhere in my house. N just gets my tunes to me faster/farther.
your car comparison sucked.
jamesd86 said:
why have a car that can do 60 mph when the car that does 30 mph will get you where you're going, eventually. /s
vibrant + allshare + NAS = happy tunes anywhere in my house. N just gets my tunes to me faster/farther.
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Your car analogy made no sense. If you have a ford focus that tops out 85 mph, and a ferarri that tops out 260mph. However, you are limited to driving around at 30 miles per hour, doesn't matter which car you drive. Since you are limited to 30mph, the focus and ferarri are going to get you from point A to point B at the same time.
Same **** with G versus N on your vibrant. N can handle higher speeds, but if you are LIMITED BY YOUR DSL OR CABLE SPEED, THEN both will run at the same speed, until you max out G. The only way to max out G is to have dsl or internet that runs faster than G is capable of.
Again, only benefit of running N on your phone is for massive file sharing really fast, but your phone doesn't even hold that much info, so that makes no sense. Or the other benefit is getting signal at greater distances. Chances are your router that is running g/n is going to provide just as power a signal to your phone running G or N.
SO AGAIN YOU WON'T NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE RUNNING N OR G ON YOUR PHONE IF YOUR MAIN CONCERN IS INTERNET SPEEDS.
UGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Lets see. First off, if you do any media streaming via wireless in your house, you want the higher speeds. Second, I like to vpn from my laptop to my computer (so I don't have to leave the couch). The difference in the smoothness when on an n network vs. a g network is very notable. Third... And probably most important in a setup like this.. A single g device connected to an n router will slow ALL the wireless devices on the network down to n speed, regardless of what they are communicating with. It is this very reason I have two separate access points. One to handle n traffic and one to handle b/g traffic. So unless he wants to allows his whole network down, he should probably try to stick with n.
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Your car analogy made no sense. If you have a ford focus that tops out 85 mph, and a ferarri that tops out 260mph. However, you are limited to driving around at 30 miles per hour, doesn't matter which car you drive. Since you are limited to 30mph, the focus and ferarri are going to get you from point A to point B at the same time.
Same **** with G versus N on your vibrant. N can handle higher speeds, but if you are LIMITED BY YOUR DSL OR CABLE SPEED, THEN both will run at the same speed, until you max out G. The only way to max out G is to have dsl or internet that runs faster than G is capable of.
Again, only benefit of running N on your phone is for massive file sharing really fast, but your phone doesn't even hold that much info, so that makes no sense. Or the other benefit is getting signal at greater distances. Chances are your router that is running g/n is going to provide just as power a signal to your phone running G or N.
SO AGAIN YOU WON'T NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE RUNNING N OR G ON YOUR PHONE IF YOUR MAIN CONCERN IS INTERNET SPEEDS.
UGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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my car analogy doesnt make sense because you either a. have no sense of sarcasm or b. (i think its this one) u took my analogy and completely f'ed it up.
btw, i'm on an N network and my browser on the phone really flies. might shoot down to g only and see if theres a difference or if the increase is because i'm coming from g1/mt3g.
edit: web browsing...not a huge difference, deff noticeable though. allshare on g only was not that good, took too long to start a song. I like my N! lol
People who say that you need a 300mbps connection at home to take advantage of Wireless N are just being silly. Not only is there better coverage with an N connection, but you will also have better speeds if you have a decently fast line (doesn't have to be over 54mbps even)-
I'm a Verizon FiOS user with a 25mbps symmetrical (same up and down) connection. The problem with many G routers is that although they say 54mbps its unlikely you're going to necessarily reach that under real conditions. For example the stock Verizon FiOS router actually limits my speeds a bit, to around 20mbps downstream. If you're trying to upload at the same time its going to be a little slower even. That's about all I can get, especially when further away from the router. However, with a new wireless N router which I've just recently installed, I can max out full 25mbps downstream, and even have the same going through upstream at the same time. The range of the signal is better, and it even seems as if latency is slightly lower (or there's less 'jitter' in general). Wireless N allows for much smoother connectivity, and I would highly recommend it to anyone with a decently fast broadband connection.
Now having said all of that, you may not care about ~20mbps vs 25mbps (speed difference for downloads in my case) on a phone, and that makes sense as it probably can't even render pages fast enough to take advantage of that. But still, wireless N makes sense to have in general.
Its your router. Force it to use only N.
I find it slightly humorous that I feel compelled to justify WHY I want to connect via N. In future posts I will remember to justify all of my needs/desires first, I.e although I have a navigation system on my Yukon Denali, I dint have it in my Infiniti, so I want the gps to work.
Like others have said before, its faster when streaming videos, it has a much farther and stronger signal (i have a large house) etc. As to why I don't just force it to use n only, genius!.... I have a Wii, PS3, older xbox360, 2 desktops and 3 laptops depending on g. Currently only 3 devices on n. I like to share media. Is that enough of an explanation?
As I swype this response, I can see the wi-fi bar go from 1 bar to 3. It seems schizo.
On Speedtest, when I have n it pegs out at 10mbps, I can tell when its on g because it seems to tap out at 5mbps every time.
Again I just thought I would see if others have experienced similar issues.
Lock on dang it! You know you want to! It's the stronger signal!
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I asked a similar question a while back. This was the answer I got and it proved to be accurate.
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By the way, THIS very well might be the issue in my current configuration!
Thanks to all the productive responses!
My Vibrant doesnt do that.
I have a Trendnet router
If you still have the recipt they still be able to return it or at least change it?
I have come full circle my brothas! My wireless router has n on both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands. Thus, I should be getting the n on my 2.4Ghz-only phone. Ah, but here is issue again! The reason, among few, that I bought the wireless a/b/g/n router in the first place was for the distance magnification inherent in wireless n. This, you see, is how I came upon the issue in the first place. 1 bar alone do I get with the b/g signal, but 3 bars pop up now and again for a short time making me believe that the phone cannot hold on to the n signal!
Alas, my 30 days with this phone are coming soon. I think I shall exchange it on the morrow...
Does anyone know how to see if the Vibrant is using N or G? I gather from the post you can check it doing a speed test, but the internet connection would be the bottleneck. I took am looking for N Wifi so that I can stream wirelessly.
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Like others have said before, its faster when streaming videos, it has a much farther and stronger signal (i have a large house) etc. As to why I don't just force it to use n only, genius!.... I have a Wii, PS3, older xbox360, 2 desktops and 3 laptops depending on g. Currently only 3 devices on n. I like to share media. Is that enough of an explanation?
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My understanding is, If you have g devices active on your n network, your entire wireless network will be limited to g speeds. This may well be your culprit
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i agree with ConceptVBS. i had a similar problem with a netbook connecting at G speeds. i changed my network to N-only and now everything connects at full speed.
not sure the whole network would be slowed by one b/g device. i have a blackberry (for work) that connects at G, but my wife's desktop still connected at N speeds (270-300 Mbs).
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It seems like the wifi signal is really weak on my Nexus S (stock, MoDaCo rX, and Cyanogen alpha). The only time I get full bars is if stand right in front of the router. Sometimes it will drop a bar or two even when I am in the same room as the router.
I'm out of the country at the moment and unable to test it with my network at home to compare performance to the N1 or MT4G I used to have. Can I get some feedback from other users about their wifi strength? I might have to find a way to return/exchange the phone from here before the end of the remorse period if it's a problem unique to my device.
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It seems like the wifi signal is really weak on my Nexus S (stock, MoDaCo rX, and Cyanogen alpha). The only time I get full bars is if stand right in front of the router. Sometimes it will drop a bar or two even when I am in the same room as the router.
I'm out of the country at the moment and unable to test it with my network at home to compare performance to the N1 or MT4G I used to have. Can I get some feedback from other users about their wifi strength? I might have to find a way to return/exchange the phone from here before the end of the remorse period if it's a problem unique to my device.
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Actually have it listed as a known issue in the FAQ after seeing an article pop up from Androidcentral.com shortly after launch.
But, yes, I can confirm this. I'm literally sitting right next to my router and have a full three bars. If I move to the couch, it'll switch between 2-3 and if I go into my bedroom, it'll do it from 1-2. I'm in a relatively small apartment, btw lol.
Interestingly enough, while the graphic displays a weaker signal and testing from market apps does indeed show a weaker signal, I don't really notice much in the way of speed loss or instability.
Yap, same here.
If i go to about 30 ft away, i'm done...no wifi!
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Actually have it listed as a known issue in the FAQ after seeing an article pop up from Androidcentral.com shortly after launch.
But, yes, I can confirm this. I'm literally sitting right next to my router and have a full three bars. If I move to the couch, it'll switch between 2-3 and if I go into my bedroom, it'll do it from 1-2. I'm in a relatively small apartment, btw lol.
Interestingly enough, while the graphic displays a weaker signal and testing from market apps does indeed show a weaker signal, I don't really notice much in the way of speed loss or instability.
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Yea, just read your thread (slapping myself on the wrist for posting too soon). Unfortunately, it does seem to cause some instability for me as it occasionally disconnects completely due to the low signal.
Do you think this is the same for all devices and has just gone unnoticed for those who don't heavily rely on wifi. Or would an exchange be my best option at this point? Not sure how much of a hardware vs software fix this would be...
No issues here. The reception isn't great, but it's a phone. Small WiFi card. Maybe my expectations are too low, but I feel like 30-50 feet through the walls and/or floors of a house/apartment is pretty reasonable for a device like this. Of course, as always, the more obstacles (physical barriers and electronic interference) the signal has to go through to get to your phone, the worse the reception will be at any given distance, so there are a lot of potential influencing factors.
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No issues here. The reception isn't great, but it's a phone. Small WiFi card. Maybe my expectations are too low, but I feel like 30-50 feet through the walls and/or floors of a house/apartment is pretty reasonable for a device like this. Of course, as always, the more obstacles (physical barriers and electronic interference) the signal has to go through to get to your phone, the worse the reception will be at any given distance, so there are a lot of potential influencing factors.
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That's why it's such a handicap not being able to test it on my home network at the moment where I could compare it to my experience with my previous android devices.
alot of routers no longer have external antennas reducing the possible range. just an idea but who knows
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Yea, just read your thread (slapping myself on the wrist for posting too soon). Unfortunately, it does seem to cause some instability for me as it occasionally disconnects completely due to the low signal.
Do you think this is the same for all devices and has just gone unnoticed for those who don't heavily rely on wifi. Or would an exchange be my best option at this point?
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I'm not sure either way, actually. It may be something that can be fixed with a software update or tweak considering that the Nexus One(which has a noticable stronger signal) and the Nexus S seem to be pretty close in model number(BCM4329EKU86 Nexus One vs BCM4329GKUBG Nexus S).
I couldn't find a tear down that detailed the WiFi chip found in the Galaxy S devices which would be more useful for a comparison. So, I guess, my point is that it may be something a relevantly unnoticed flaw in the device itself and exchanging it might not do anything.
I guess this is our trade off for a working GPS unit?
I dont think its based off of root, i'm on stock, and the same thing happens to me!!
The Nexus S uses a low power wifi chip, which is thought to be the cause of this (VERY well known) weak wifi reception issue. Google "Nexus S weak wifi".
You can verify it easily by running a wifi sniffer (e.g. "Wifi Analyzer" from the market). The NS's reception drops quickly with distance from router. This isn't the router's fault.
ravidavi said:
The Nexus S uses a low power wifi chip, which is thought to be the cause of this (VERY well known) weak wifi reception issue. Google "Nexus S weak wifi".
You can verify it easily by running a wifi sniffer (e.g. "Wifi Analyzer" from the market). The NS's reception drops quickly with distance from router. This isn't the router's fault.
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Definitely isnt the routers fault. I have two MTS, my original G1 and N1, Two Laptops a PS3 and a PSP.
This is the only device that struggles to find a signal.
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Definitely isnt the routers fault. I have two MTS, my original G1 and N1, Two Laptops a PS3 and a PSP.
This is the only device that struggles to find a signal.
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I am a former G1 guy myself, it had a very strong signal, Nexus S not so much. It is making me a bit irritated. It is an important feature sine I prefer to use wifi instead of 3G. It's much faster.
I have the same issue. When I turn on wifi the status icon takes about 20 seconds to turn from grey to green and on top of that even in the same room I don't get full bars. This really blows.
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I am a tad torn:
Things the A500 does well-
1. Build
2. USB host
3. Display (sans the extreme angles) holds up IMO to IPS displays for color and brightness.
4. Most of the apps are not shallow bloatware, compared to other devices.
5. Rooting is mega easy
6. UI and response of display
7. Battery life
8. Seems efficient in sleep mode
9. Great sound quality for a tablet
Still, the one major area for me is the wifi. Things the A500 does not do well:
1. Reception is the weakest of any of my devices except the sucktastic' Archos A5. My gTablet blows the A500 away for range and stability of connection.
2. No adhoc (why do OEMs keep screwing this up?) the only way to get it for now is risking hosing the device through modding. Most users would like it to work without that risk.
3. A brand new highly pushed device (most main retailers are going to carry it) Honeycomb tablet with no 5ghz support?!
4. The wifi seems to toggle with signal strength, since it will go from one to two bars and then disconnect and reconnect. I wonder if there is a kernel issue and screwed up power management?
It seems the other stuff on the A500 works so well, it makes the wifi stick out like a VERY sore thumb.
I have tested two routers with very good ratings for range and work well even with my weak N900 (another weak wifi radio device). My router is in my basement due to my office, but in an open and central area to upstairs. A PS3, 360, Wii, three laptops, gTablet, PSP, Droid 1, Incredible and iPod 4 all work fine and maintain connection upstairs. Upstairs, I have to be nearly above the router to get a good and stable signal with the A500.
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The A500 seems to need a mW level increase with the wifi radio.
I have a Netgear WNDR3700 and have very good signal .. router on 2nd fl and signal is good downstairs.. it's a more expenisve router but very good and you can load DD-WRT if you want, but the FW with it is very nice..
i don't get it.... i had a gtablet for 7 days and it's wifi sucked compared to my a500, which seems to be the opposite to what everyone else is saying.
granted, the gtab and iconia's wifi both suck compared to my archos 101's wifi, but i like the a500 so much better overall.
Wifi is GREAT here. I have a WRT610N.
Hmm. A few of us here so far aren't having problems. It's probably your unit.
In my case it's around the same power as the GTablet. I live in a 2k sq ft. apt and I get -1 bars at the farthest point from the router in my apt. The problem with increasing the transmit or receive power too much is that you get unnecessary drain on the battery...same thing with adding 5ghz support.
5ghz is also a pretty troublesome bandwidth. My phone is dual band and has trouble with SO many wifi n 5ghz networks. Even on mine as the only device using it currently, it works like night and day between 2 different firmware revisions, likely because of interference and overlaps with other people's wifi and how each fw. handled it.
People think wifi n 5 is better than 2.4 but in fact it's only better when there are very few people using it. Not only does it give you less range, but it's also more prone to interference than 2.4 or G. 2.4 N is a pretty strong balance and as long as you aren't forcing 300Mbps mode (channel bonding), I really don't understand why you're getting such a weak signal or disconnects. Wifi N is great for performance when it works how it's supposed to. It has a lower floor for noise and a wider spectrum but all in all, it's not worth the trouble (if you have any). 2.4 at least works in a more solid fashion, interference or not. I think this is why many suppliers just choose to stick with it vs. dual. Though I agree it's VERY nice to have the option. But necessary? Nah.
Try exchanging it. I don't think 'weak wifi' is general of the a500s.
No probs with wifi works all over the house no worries.
Personally my biggest gripe is the length of the power lead, shockingly short what would it have cost them to add 4 feet of wire to make it more usable. My vega has fantastic cable length...
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i too have great wifi connection...my house is over 3,000 sqft and is made of concrete and brick. i use a cicso valet wireless n router and have at least two bars of signal when my tab is on one end of the house and router is on the other end. it has a better signal then my gtab, droidx, and the wifes new iphone 4. not sure why you are having issues as my tab has nevrr even lost connection once since the day i bought it. if you already have played with the settings on your router you might want to consider that you have a faulty wifi module in your tab.
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I have a linksys wrt610n in my basement. My wife gets very good wifi connection all through the house and even on the 2nd floor. On top of that she gets a good connection on the front porch and back patio outside.
Wifi is as good as my ipad and iphone with this device. It never drops and works all throughout the house and yard. Posting from from front porch right now. On wifi analyzer I am picking up networks several houses away.
So maybe a bum radio then?......
I have the Netgear WNR3500L router and, believe me, the A500 finds the signal everywhere in my 2500 sqft house. I actually had more trouble with my g tablet whenever it went to sleep. Wifi would disconnect and then reconnect constantly even if I set it to "Never Sleep" in the settings.
WiFi is great for me, too. I can go outside, across my yard with no apparent signal loss.
My first A500 must have had a wifi issue, since not having the problem with my second one. Strange.
I now have also moved my router to a more central location (out of basement) so all of my devices have a good signal. I was should have done this a long time ago. Apathy I tell ya!
Had the same problem with my Acer Netbook. Had to replace the card inside with one from eBay. I am not surprised this is an issue for some of us.
I wasn't too pleased with their customer service then and I don't expect this problem to be fixed with software.
Only problem for my A500 was in my bedroom where I get 1 bar on my PCs and notebooks, and even my Droid has some issues. So I set up a range extender and have no issues anywhere in the house now.
At work and out on the road I've had no problems with hotspots anywhere.
I got online and foudn a guide on how to tweak my Dlinik router for best performance.
I changed the security to WPA2 and st it to the best channel according to the WiFi Analyzer app on the Market.
I then made sure that only N or N/G was set and allowed for a wider band (40/20 mhz?)
Don't choose channel 1 as it can interfere or be interfered with other wireless radios being too close to that channel.
Can't remembered if I did anything else but I now can have the tablet up two floors and I maintain the signal.
Looks like its a keeper after all.
decent wifi signal
I'm on mynsecond a500 after returning one due to a bad hdmi connector. Wifi has been okay on both. Mostly two and three bars and only down two one bar when outside and farthest away from the router.
In fact right now I have two bars and am connected and posting from the a500 in a hotel. It has the same signal strength as my laptop.
My problem was not the signal as much as the stability of it. If three to four bars, the connection was stable and did not lose connection. One to two bars was very unstable and would cut out about every five minutes or so, when tested with a few routers.
The second A500 is stable at low bar signals.
Hi there
I found a BIG limitation in the SG II Wifi.
The problem is that: the Wifi class on the SG II is N but each time you try to put it online, getting a signal from your router, your MAX wifi speed connection will be ALWAYS at 65mb/s
(off course my router support WiFi N and i perform a check also on other routers from friends of mine having, finally, the same result)
Now i'm running the custom rom from LitePro (K8 kernel based) and this problem still there.
I presume it is only a software limitation and not an hardware limitation.
Can someone find a solution? Is it maybe necessary to modify the apks that make the Wifi work like we did with the camera sound?
Borg3D5 said:
Hi there
I found a BIG limitation in the SG II Wifi.
The problem is that: the Wifi class on the SG II is N but each time you try to put it online, getting a signal from your router, your MAX wifi speed connection will be ALWAYS at 65mb/s
(off course my router support WiFi N and i perform a check also on other routers from friends of mine having, finally, the same result)
Now i'm running the custom rom from LitePro (K8 kernel based) and this problem still there.
I presume it is only a software limitation and not an hardware limitation.
Can someone find a solution? Is it maybe necessary to modify the apks that make the Wifi work like we did with the camera sound?
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Interesting. How are you calculating the connection speed?
@wifi-settings, click on the connected network and the shown mbit's will never be over 65... And in the app: overlook fing (nice network tool) will say the same.
Why would you need 600 Mbps on a mobile phone?
I have an dual N band router too but seriously on my phone I don't see the point of more them 20 mbps...
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@wifi-settings, click on the connected network and the shown mbit's will never be over 65... And in the app: overlook fing (nice network tool) will say the same.
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Mew178 said:
Why would you need 600 Mbps on a mobile phone?
I have an dual N band router too but seriously on my phone I don't see the point of more them 20 mbps...
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Why not?
If i pay a phone 600 euros and who made it tell me that the Wifi is N so i WANT a WiFi N because my money are real money, not charms
I a lot more concerned with battery life and wifi range on my G2 then how fast it goes
I noticed when I use G instead of N the range seems be increase.
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I a lot more concerned with battery life and wifi range on my G2 then how fast it goes
I noticed when I use G instead of N the range seems be increase.
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Unfortunatly i think that the battery problem is a tecnology problem: you have what you can have from this kind of tecnology, we can just make it a bit better but to have a reasonable time of charge we need a new kind of battery tecnology, compared to what the actual phone SLCD and Amoled screens ask to work .
Make sure you are on a channel without other APs.
To the OP, find an Android mobile phone that connects at a higher data speed than 65-72 Mbps and then come back with another dramatic thread.
Can you guys please do some research before making these dramatic threads?
Have u guys seen any difference in real life use ?
Forget about the numbers .
I always do video chats and works great.
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Borg3D5 said:
Hi there
I found a BIG limitation in the SG II Wifi.
The problem is that: the Wifi class on the SG II is N but each time you try to put it online, getting a signal from your router, your MAX wifi speed connection will be ALWAYS at 65mb/s
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This is the expected speed of 802.11n on a small device.
QAM-64 modulation delivers at most 65-72Mbit/s on devices without MIMO. A cell phone will not have MIMO capability for cost and size reasons (requires several antennas).
No vendor provides MIMO wifi chips for cell-phone usage, so even if you tried you would get rotten battery life and a huge cell phone as the MIMO chipsets are designed for having mains power or laptop batteries, and the antennas need physical separation.
This assumes 20 MHz channel. 11n does allow for a 40MHz channel, but you will never get this in practice on the 2.4GHz band as the standard requires devices to look for interferers in the band and back off to 20MHz channel for a long time if they see any. Given how crowded the 2.4GHz band is you will always see interferers hence you will always be forced to use 20MHz channels.
Search for 802.11n-2009 on wikipedia. (I'd post the link but the forum will not allow it)
Nevermind wifi speed. I used to get good signal sat in bed with my sgs 1. With this one I get 1 bar or no connection at all. Sometimes if i turn the phone I get enough for it to resume a download.
Fair enough 1 bar gives suffient speed but it drops completely
I've tried playing with channels, changing n/g to just g etc but the signal is just weak. Nothing changed with my router, my old phone got 2/3 bar signal, my wife's HTC desire gets 2. The laptop full bars.
I'm hoping this will be fixed in a firmware update some time.
Shame cus otherwise I love this phone. (Although bit miffed with Yamaha instead of wolfsen sound, hope they release version with wolfsen. Or sgs3 )
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65mb is more then u need in a phone wouldnt you think plus range like other have said is more important
Borg3D5 said:
Why not?
If i pay a phone 600 euros and who made it tell me that the Wifi is N so i WANT a WiFi N because my money are real money, not charms
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Well in theory you should get better range with n chipset (though some are reporting the opposite!)
So you pay more money to get N and with it better range and slightly better throughput than G ?
skibadee said:
Nevermind wifi speed. I used to get good signal sat in bed with my sgs 1. With this one I get 1 bar or no connection at all. Sometimes if i turn the phone I get enough for it to resume a download.
Fair enough 1 bar gives suffient speed but it drops completely
I've tried playing with channels, changing n/g to just g etc but the signal is just weak. Nothing changed with my router, my old phone got 2/3 bar signal, my wife's HTC desire gets 2. The laptop full bars.
I'm hoping this will be fixed in a firmware update some time.
Shame cus otherwise I love this phone. (Although bit miffed with Yamaha instead of wolfsen sound, hope they release version with wolfsen. Or sgs3 )
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Same with me. Witn iPhone 4 I had 2 bars and good connection, with SGS2 I am forced to switch off wifi and using 3G instead, because no more than one bar of signal and I can't open any web page. I just ordered Netgear WN3000 repeater and I hope it will help me to increase the signal, but I will have more antennas in my bedroom to frying my small brain
Manafa said:
Same with me. Witn iPhone 4 I had 2 bars and good connection, with SGS2 I am forced to switch off wifi and using 3G instead, because no more than one bar of signal and I can't open any web page. I just ordered Netgear WN3000 repeater and I hope it will help me to increase the signal, but I will have more antennas in my bedroom to frying my small brain
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Same here!!!!!
I'm next to my router and I get 3/4 !!!!!
It's really a problem! I used to have signal in some areas, whereas now with GS II I get no signal at all
Manafa said:
Same with me. Witn iPhone 4 I had 2 bars and good connection, with SGS2 I am forced to switch off wifi and using 3G instead, because no more than one bar of signal and I can't open any web page. I just ordered Netgear WN3000 repeater and I hope it will help me to increase the signal, but I will have more antennas in my bedroom to frying my small brain
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my experience is different from yours. I get slightly better wifi reception than my captivate with wndr3700 router
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I don't think the graphical representation on the notification bar is important. I've got better reception on my G router than I have with my htc hero.
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i dont see how this is such a big limitation. if youre gonna be that upset and nit picky about a device, then any phone u get thats worth any amount of money wont satisfy you.
Hey everyone,
I currently have a Note 4 and an iPhone 6 and I use a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 router at home for WiFi.
When in my room, my Note 4 only reaches the speeds shown in the attached picture while my iPhone reaches the maximum speed possible on my connection, which is 90.
They are both on a 5Ghz network. The exact same of course. How can it be there is such a dramatic difference? I'm really thinking of returning it if there isn't a solution. I really love this phone though so I hope it won't be necessary.
EDIT: I'm reviving my own thread, since I found out something important. After restarting my Note, the speed test easily reaches the same maximum as my iPhone 6. After a while however, it drops back to 30-ish or lower.
It can't possibly be that this is a good thing, right?
do you connect your device at the same time ?
I don't know if it's still the problem with todays device, but my past experience (like 1 or 2 years ago), apple device (ipad and macbook in my friends and my experience) use wifi in some way so other device have worse wifi speed
But that just our experience in my college wifi network.
Yes they were both connected at the same time. Disconnecting my iPhone and MacBook didn't help either unfortunately.
YoungStarDC said:
Hey everyone,
I currently have a Note 4 and an iPhone 6 and I use a Netgear Nighthawk AC1900 router at home for WiFi.
When in my room, my Note 4 only reaches the speeds shown in the attached picture while my iPhone reaches the maximum speed possible on my connection, which is 90.
They are both on a 5Ghz network. The exact same of course. How can it be there is such a dramatic difference? I'm really thinking of returning it if there isn't a solution. I really love this phone though so I hope it won't be necessary.
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Apple iPhone 6 comes with single band wireless AC adapter with duel-channel bonding 2Tx.
Galaxy Note 4 comes with dual band wireless AC adapter with tri-channel bonding 2Tx.
-->Single band wireless adapters have better peak performance because they are only connected to one antenna and all routers prioritize single PHY channel first. On the other hand, dual band wireless adapters have better consistent performance with higher max speeds because they are connected to two PHY channels, but have to sort out the distortions coming from two antennas. Some distortions can cancel out the signal that the device actually receives.
its the speedtest app which is messed up. i have a 25mbps connection and the desktop correctly shows 25mbps but the app shows 36mbps. try putting a 1 gigabyte file on an internal server and copy it to the iphone and note with dukto. you should get 144mbps or whatever your wifi speed is. 1 gigabyte at 144mbps should be around 1 minute to transfer.
http://www.msec.it/blog/?page_id=11
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Apple iPhone 6 comes with single band wireless AC adapter with duel-channel bonding 2Tx.
Galaxy Note 4 comes with dual band wireless AC adapter with tri-channel bonding 2Tx.
-->Single band wireless adapters have better peak performance because they are only connected to one antenna and all routers prioritize single PHY channel first. On the other hand, dual band wireless adapters have better consistent performance with higher max speeds because they are connected to two PHY channels, but have to sort out the distortions coming from two antennas. Some distortions can cancel out the signal that the device actually receives.
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So if I understand correctly, what you're saying is that in the long run, let's say when streaming or playing an online game, the Note 4 can more easily maintain a stable and fast connection, even though speedtest shows a fairly mediocre result due to it being like a 10 ten second test?
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its the speedtest app which is messed up. i have a 25mbps connection and the desktop correctly shows 25mbps but the app shows 36mbps. try putting a 1 gigabyte file on an internal server and copy it to the iphone and note with dukto. you should get 144mbps or whatever your wifi speed is. 1 gigabyte at 144mbps should be around 1 minute to transfer.
http://www.msec.it/blog/?page_id=11
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That's a good idea, however, my speeds are way lower than what my max speed is. I may still try this, however.
YoungStarDC said:
So if I understand correctly, what you're saying is that in the long run, let's say when streaming or playing an online game, the Note 4 can more easily maintain a stable and fast connection, even though speedtest shows a fairly mediocre result due to it being like a 10 ten second test?
That's a good idea, however, my speeds are way lower than what my max speed is. I may still try this, however.
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Yes that is absolutely correct! Single band adapters are made for peak performances and dual band adapters are for long-term consistency.
Great. Thanks your help. Learned something new today!
My speeds: see signature
Router: Linksys EA6500
Network: Ziggo
tkmobilesupport said:
Apple iPhone 6 comes with single band wireless AC adapter with duel-channel bonding 2Tx.
Galaxy Note 4 comes with dual band wireless AC adapter with tri-channel bonding 2Tx.
-->Single band wireless adapters have better peak performance because they are only connected to one antenna and all routers prioritize single PHY channel first. On the other hand, dual band wireless adapters have better consistent performance with higher max speeds because they are connected to two PHY channels, but have to sort out the distortions coming from two antennas. Some distortions can cancel out the signal that the device actually receives.
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I'm reviving my own thread, since I found out something important. After restarting my Note, the speed test easily reaches the same maximum as my iPhone 6. After a while however, it drops back to 30-ish or lower.
It can't possibly be that this is a good thing, right?
YoungStarDC said:
I'm reviving my own thread, since I found out something important. After restarting my Note, the speed test easily reaches the same maximum as my iPhone 6. After a while however, it drops back to 30-ish or lower.
It can't possibly be that this is a good thing, right?
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That sounds like a good thing. However if the speed is severely fluctuating every speedtest, I will contact Samsung Software Engineers to look into the issue.
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That sounds like a good thing. However if the speed is severely fluctuating every speedtest, I will contact Samsung Software Engineers to look into the issue.
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I have just contacted Samsung Netherlands and the guy I had on the phone insisted at first that it was my internet provider and the modem. After I told him I used a high-end router, not the WIFI modem my ISP provides, he kept on saying it was the router. Even after I thoroughly explained that all other devices worked fine in the same room, he kept on saying it was the router. All-in-all, completely useless, I would say. Are there any other things you can think off? Or any other XDA members to help out please!?
Try with 2.4 GHz.
5 GHz WiFi is extremely poor when travelling through walls.
Note 4 has a very small and insignificant antenna thus speeds drop tremendously when there's a wall in between WiFi router and phone.
I believe iPhone uses the whole metal strips on top and bottom as antenna
I have an Asus AC66U. On my Note 4, when connected with 5 GHz, and I am in line of sight with the router, I am able to receive a good speed ~ 200 Mbps. When in my own room, there's a wall, I can only get 12 mbps to 30 mbps.
However, my desktop uses an Asus PCE-AC66 wifi card. I am able to achieve max speeds of ~200 Mbps with speedtest. (It has 3 huge antennas).
Edit: My Desktop is in the same room where I fail to get any good 5 GHz speed on Note 4.
In the end, I just use 2.4 GHz...
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I have just contacted Samsung Netherlands and the guy I had on the phone insisted at first that it was my internet provider and the modem. After I told him I used a high-end router, not the WIFI modem my ISP provides, he kept on saying it was the router. Even after I thoroughly explained that all other devices worked fine in the same room, he kept on saying it was the router. All-in-all, completely useless, I would say. Are there any other things you can think off? Or any other XDA members to help out please!?
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Can you provide me the model number of your device? I will look into this with the Samsung Engineers.
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Can you provide me the model number of your device? I will look into this with the Samsung Engineers.
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Sure thing. Please see the attached image. Thanks for helping out.
YoungStarDC said:
Sure thing. Please see the attached image. Thanks for helping out.
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I will post the response as soon as I receive it.
Thanks for reaching out to Samsung Executive Support. We've received your request and is investigating this issue. We will reply within 48hrs with a solution. Your executive support ID is: SMN900F-11904493_Bug.
Samsung Executive Support Team
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I will post the response as soon as I receive it.
Thanks for reaching out to Samsung Executive Support. We've received your request and is investigating this issue. We will reply within 48hrs with a solution. Your executive support ID is: SMN900F-11904493_Bug.
Samsung Executive Support Team
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Great, thanks. Can't wait to hear what they have to say.
until you do an actual test (i.e. transfer a file across from the network and time it) youre not going to get any useful responses.
like i said - the speedtest app is not useful as a test. its buggy and broken. its not your router. its the app youre using.
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Great, thanks. Can't wait to hear what they have to say.
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I have received a reply:
Thanks for reaching out! It's good to hear from you again!
New kernel/drivers are on the way in the next update and should address most WiFi issues that users are experiencing. The update is labeled Beta-2 N910FXX-M2. You can be access this file on our internal website.
In the meanwhile, please inform the end user to turn off WiFi power saving. 1) Open dialer and enter *#0011#. 2) Press the menu icon on the top right and press WiFi Power Saving. 3) Tap on the On button, it will change to Off. 4) Restart your device.
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I have received a reply:
Thanks for reaching out! It's good to hear from you again!
New kernel/drivers are on the way in the next update and should address most WiFi issues that users are experiencing. The update is labeled Beta-2 N910FXX-M2. You can be access this file on our internal website.
In the meanwhile, please inform the end user to turn off WiFi power saving. 1) Open dialer and enter *#0011#. 2) Press the menu icon on the top right and press WiFi Power Saving. 3) Tap on the On button, it will change to Off. 4) Restart your device.
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That was quick! I have changed the settings and I'll be home in an hour or two. I will do a test every hour from then to see if the WiFi speeds remain consistent.
On another note, I would like to thank you for helping me out. I really appreciate it. Do you work at Samsung or something?