hey i want to buy the blackstone but i am worried abt the music quality as i will be using it as my main music player. Can any1 give me comments on the music quality. Also is there any audio enhancement programs that work on the HD that you guys can recommend?
Thanks!
i find it better than my Sony S639 mp3 player, stronger, clearer and sharper sound :/
here are some numbers that don't tell me much, but you might make some sense of it
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_touch_hd-review-300p6.php
I honestly recommend using SRS WOW HD (look it up, its free and its here on XDA). With it listening to music on blackstone is real pleasure.
anyone watch a movie on the stock player??
I love the stock player since its got 5.1 surround. It makes a night and difference watching movies...even without headphones...I wish there was a way to implement that into other players such as mobo, vplayer, and rockplayer etc.
I'm sure with touchwiz UI their gonna really boost the multimedia aspect of this thing.
Can you post the specs (using something like MediaInfo) of the movie? My impression was that HC's stock player can't play 5.1 audio currently.
Will be trying it out on Sunday for my flight back East, looking forward to hearing it on my new Audio-Technica ATH M50's!
e.mote said:
Can you post the specs (using something like MediaInfo) of the movie? My impression was that HC's stock player can't play 5.1 audio currently.
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if you start to play any movie in the stock player there's a button on the bottom left that says 5.1 srs click it and you'll hear the difference. I was playing a divx version of a movie called "girl who kicked the hornet's nest"
here are the info directly from vlc player
codec: MPEG audio layer 1/2/3 (mpga)
Channels: Stereo
Sample rate: 48000 Hz
Bitrate: 128 kb/s
I don't believe this is completely stock player. Samsung is always about good media and always trying to implement 5.1 into everything. My brother's Samsung vibrant has the same features on his stock audio and video players provided by samsung. the phone only has one speaker so when you press that button on his phone it says this mode only works with headphones. But for the Galaxy tab 10.1 we've got two great speakers on the right and left perfect for 5.1. Although its not true 5.1 it makes a huge difference. I've tried it even on things I recorded with my galaxy tab 10.1. I think it's a software modification of some sort done by samsung to make it sound very realistic.
Give it a try...let me know what you guys think.
e.mote said:
Can you post the specs (using something like MediaInfo) of the movie? My impression was that HC's stock player can't play 5.1 audio currently.
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Its a Samsung future that you can chose to have the tab make mono/stereo audio sound like its sorround.
Its like fake 5.1 from stereo speakers
-Creates an accurate 5.1 virtual surround sound experience over any stereo headphones
-Utilizes SRS Circle Surround decoder to generate the highest quality surround sound - placing left, right, center, surround left and surround right speakers accurately around the listener's head
-SRS Dialog Clarity boosts the frequency range of the human voice in a way that lifts the dialog above the audio effects, so you can clearly hear every word that's being spoken
-Improves overall bass response of the headphones
-SRS WOW HDimproves the dynamic audio performance of both compressed and uncompressed audio, by expanding the size of the audio image
Yup. I hate how they confuse people with that "5.1" button when it's really "Fake5.1"
Entropy512 said:
Yup. I hate how they confuse people with that "5.1" button when it's really "Fake5.1"
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you have to admit that it sounds pretty realistic when you turn it on...no tablet can do that right now...the xooms speakers are horrible way in the back and sound is muffled...and only high end laptops are able to only replicate a 5.1 surround, I wouldn't complain unless you want them to put a sub-woofer in there and two more speakers lol....
Hi all,
Does the phone's hardware support 24bit/96k or higher quality flac files playback without downsampling them to 16bit?
I've found out today that the phone uses WDC9310 as its sound chip. Is WDC9310 capable of playing 24bit/96k or higher quality flacs?
Thanks
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adroid_user said:
Hi all,
Does the phone's hardware support 24bit/96k or higher quality flac files playback without downsampling them to 16bit?
I've found out today that the phone uses WDC9310 as its sound chip. Is WDC9310 capable of playing 24bit/96k or higher quality flacs?
Thanks
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No one knows? What about 192k/24bit FLAC support?
Tell you what - point me at a file to test and I'll give it a listen.
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Tell you what - point me at a file to test and I'll give it a listen.
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www . 2l . no / hires /index.html
You can get some of the test files on that website. With them it's possible to test what resolution of flac the stock kernel allows to play. As far as I understand, the kernel can be more limiting than hardware, that is hardware can play 192k/24bit but the kernel cannot. In which case a modded kernel helps.
Edit2: 24 bit 96/192 Khz plays (with MX Player, Google Play Music refuses to run it), if that's what you are asking.
Hi ..
With native Music aplication i can play FLAC format , but this sound it is downsampled .. etc etc ... to play later ? I see a reduction in quality compared with MP3 conversion of the same file ...
I have tried poweramp player and others , but sound it is better with stock EMUI Music Player ( with DTS disabled) .
It's there out there a player with supports natively the FLAC format without conversion ? Maybe Honor 7 does not support it ... ;(
Any suggestions ...
Thanks a lot ..
did you try the blackplayer? <-link!
you should do it!
Try PlayerPro with DSP pack. Very good quality of sound.
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when you say native, do you mean 'decoded in hardware'?
I've played some 24bit FLAC in the bundled player and poweramp (with no EQ) through sennheiser hd25's and there is very little difference
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oh, and the Honor 7 certainly isn't the best sounding phone i've ever heard. without good eq it's really rather flat, it also seems to struggle with deep punchy bass. however, it doesn't sound "washed out" like a bad mp3
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when you say native, do you mean 'decoded in hardware'?
I've played some 24bit FLAC in the bundled player and poweramp (with no EQ) through sennheiser hd25's and there is very little difference
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oh, and the Honor 7 certainly isn't the best sounding phone i've ever heard. without good eq it's really rather flat, it also seems to struggle with deep punchy bass. however, it doesn't sound "washed out" like a bad mp3
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Hi ...
Yes , i mean if it is decoded in hardware ( example FLAC ) or it is converted to other format before play in the android system ...
What kind of DAC has got Honor 7 ... ? any info ... ?
Thanks for all ...
golvellius said:
What kind of DAC has got Honor 7 ... ? any info ?.
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i have ask the HUAWEI support but get no answer! I think my question wasn’t interesting enough for the employee. So no information available at the moment.
but you can have a look into the device
http://mobile.it168.com/tu/1742921_1.shtml#1
maybe you find the chip
Hi All,
Besides the LG own music player, are there any 3rd party music players that can support / utilize the Quad DAC in V20 ?
i tried PowerAmp, but the volume somehow becomes much lower, whether i set the tick to direct volume control or not.
Thanks for the help
I use Poweramp and it's plenty loud for me.
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I use Poweramp and it's plenty loud for me.
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Thanks man. I mean it's always softer than the native player. Does this V20 has same problem as original V10 whereby 3rd party music app cannot utilize its DAC ?
bluelavender said:
Thanks man. I mean it's always softer than the native player. Does this V20 has same problem as original V10 whereby 3rd party music app cannot utilize its DAC ?
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It works fine with Neutron
Google music works ,siriusxm app does also
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Thanks all for feedback Glad to hear they don't have anymore issue like original V10 with 3rd party music app.
All music apps can output pcm audio via the ES9218 DAC. NONE of them can output native (unconverted) DSD audio via the DAC. Most of them cannot output PCM over 48khz via the DAC without decimation. The V20 can change the gain stage (loudness limits) based upon the impedance of the headphones/IEMs/speakers connected to them. In-ear monitors (IEMs), also known as earphones, earbuds, are generally more efficient and require less voltage to drive, whereas large diaphragm headphones are much more challenging of a load and will switch the V20 into a higher gain (more voltage). There is software that tricks the firmware into always seeing a harder to drive load and thus provides more voltage (louder).
Higher voltage is not always better. For example... if you are using a pair of efficient in-ear monitors and the gain stage is high, you will hear a hiss in between songs and during softer passages.
LG has hamstrung the V20 by providing software that cannot take full advantage of the ES9218 DAC and giving no way for 3rd party vendors to do so either. They indicate in spec sheets and advertising that they support DSD and high bitrate PCM, but they really only convert DSD to PCM and decimate the audio so that what was recorded is not exactly what you hear.
mlknez said:
All music apps can output pcm audio via the ES9218 DAC. NONE of them can output native (unconverted) DSD audio via the DAC. Most of them cannot output PCM over 48khz via the DAC without decimation. The V20 can change the gain stage (loudness limits) based upon the impedance of the headphones/IEMs/speakers connected to them. In-ear monitors (IEMs), also known as earphones, earbuds, are generally more efficient and require less voltage to drive, whereas large diaphragm headphones are much more challenging of a load and will switch the V20 into a higher gain (more voltage). There is software that tricks the firmware into always seeing a harder to drive load and thus provides more voltage (louder).
Higher voltage is not always better. For example... if you are using a pair of efficient in-ear monitors and the gain stage is high, you will hear a hiss in between songs and during softer passages.
LG has hamstrung the V20 by providing software that cannot take full advantage of the ES9218 DAC and giving no way for 3rd party vendors to do so either. They indicate in spec sheets and advertising that they support DSD and high bitrate PCM, but they really only convert to DSD to PCM and decimate the audio so that what was recorded is not exactly what you hear.
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Thanks man.. The reason i asked was because, when LG V10 (its old ancestor) was launched, there was issue whereby many music app cannot utilize the DAC inside the v10.
There is a app on Google play for the v10 that works on v20 search for dac fix
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mlknez said:
All music apps can output pcm audio via the ES9218 DAC. NONE of them can output native (unconverted) DSD audio via the DAC. Most of them cannot output PCM over 48khz via the DAC without decimation. The V20 can change the gain stage (loudness limits) based upon the impedance of the headphones/IEMs/speakers connected to them. In-ear monitors (IEMs), also known as earphones, earbuds, are generally more efficient and require less voltage to drive, whereas large diaphragm headphones are much more challenging of a load and will switch the V20 into a higher gain (more voltage). There is software that tricks the firmware into always seeing a harder to drive load and thus provides more voltage (louder).
Higher voltage is not always better. For example... if you are using a pair of efficient in-ear monitors and the gain stage is high, you will hear a hiss in between songs and during softer passages.
LG has hamstrung the V20 by providing software that cannot take full advantage of the ES9218 DAC and giving no way for 3rd party vendors to do so either. They indicate in spec sheets and advertising that they support DSD and high bitrate PCM, but they really only convert DSD to PCM and decimate the audio so that what was recorded is not exactly what you hear.
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Think root will overcome that and can tap into more features of the 9218?
mlknez said:
All music apps can output pcm audio via the ES9218 DAC. NONE of them can output native (unconverted) DSD audio via the DAC. Most of them cannot output PCM over 48khz via the DAC without decimation. The V20 can change the gain stage (loudness limits) based upon the impedance of the headphones/IEMs/speakers connected to them. In-ear monitors (IEMs), also known as earphones, earbuds, are generally more efficient and require less voltage to drive, whereas large diaphragm headphones are much more challenging of a load and will switch the V20 into a higher gain (more voltage). There is software that tricks the firmware into always seeing a harder to drive load and thus provides more voltage (louder).
Higher voltage is not always better. For example... if you are using a pair of efficient in-ear monitors and the gain stage is high, you will hear a hiss in between songs and during softer passages.
LG has hamstrung the V20 by providing software that cannot take full advantage of the ES9218 DAC and giving no way for 3rd party vendors to do so either. They indicate in spec sheets and advertising that they support DSD and high bitrate PCM, but they really only convert DSD to PCM and decimate the audio so that what was recorded is not exactly what you hear.
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Does this mean the V20 will automatically adjust impedance and/or gain stage when you plug in different headphones? Or is there configuration somewhere?
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Think root will overcome that and can tap into more features of the 9218?
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I don't know the answer to that.
bluelavender said:
Hi All,
Besides the LG own music player, are there any 3rd party music players that can support / utilize the Quad DAC in V20 ?
i tried PowerAmp, but the volume somehow becomes much lower, whether i set the tick to direct volume control or not.
Thanks for the help
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You can try going into the equalizer settings and playing with the preamp level.
I switched to Neutron yesterday mostly because it'll handle hi-res files. I think it taps into the DAC.
douger1957 said:
You can try going into the equalizer settings and playing with the preamp level.
I switched to Neutron yesterday mostly because it'll handle hi-res files. I think it taps into the DAC.
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Thanks man. I will try neutron
Neutron definitely uses the DAC. You can tell guys if one, you have it turned on and two, if you goto the setting for the hi Fi DAC settings it will say high impedance mode blah blah blah for 50-600 ohm impedance phones. I think it also says something for normal but not much. Just that it is on. Probably a high and low bias gain for what you're using is the difference.
I never used the built-in app. BlackPlayer and Spotify (as well as PocketCasts and Smart Audiobook Reader, which don't need it) use the Hi-Fi DAC.
All of these players "use" the DAC. NONE of them make full use of the built-in DAC.
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All of these players "use" the DAC. NONE of them make full use of the built-in DAC.
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We are taking about the ESS9218. Not the Qualcomm DAC.
sheldonkreger said:
Does this mean the V20 will automatically adjust impedance and/or gain stage when you plug in different headphones? Or is there configuration somewhere?
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It does this automatically
@rbiter said:
Neutron definitely uses the DAC. You can tell guys if one, you have it turned on and two, if you goto the setting for the hi Fi DAC settings it will say high impedance mode blah blah blah for 50-600 ohm impedance phones. I think it also says something for normal but not much. Just that it is on. Probably a high and low bias gain for what you're using is the difference.
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Yup, Neutron and the DAC love my HD595s soo much it is almost funny....hell it even makes my el-cheapo noise-cancelling Philips cans sound decent.
Seriously, I'd never thought the day would occur when a phone would have an audio out that could trade punches with my desktop DAC.