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Possible anti-freeze for TMOUS HD2/HD2s in general?

http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/90/t/1651.aspx
It was the same conclusion I was coming, but this verified it.
The shotty class 2 SDHC and the fact that I'm installing core apps to the main memory....giving me **** performance.
Will try my class 6 SDHC 8gb card tonight and install everything to the card.
pictures/messages/etc

No, it doesn't work.
I thought it did until I installed apps and started using the phone normally.
Fail.
All apps installed onto sdhc

Must be your phone. I install all my apps in the main memory and never had a freeze or anything. The wife and I love our HD2's. It has never frozed on us. Especially mine, because I'm the tester for all the cabs I could find and tweaks there is out there.
The only time I got it to freeze was when I was editing the registry. Also, the card that came with the TMOUS is a cheap card. Just use that for storage and nothing else. There should be plenty of room in the main memory for apps.
One other problem is BSB tweaks messes with you during calls. But there is a simple deselect fix for it.

Dammit, I wish I would have read this before I ordered a 16 gig class 6 memory card! Lol, oh well, I guess it won't hurt to have it.

darkphantom said:
http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/windows-phone/f/90/t/1651.aspx
It was the same conclusion I was coming, but this verified it.
The shotty class 2 SDHC and the fact that I'm installing core apps to the main memory....giving me **** performance.
Will try my class 6 SDHC 8gb card tonight and install everything to the card.
pictures/messages/etc
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darkphantom, I think the issue isn't with the card itself, but rather the phone indexing it when it's full of lots of smaller files (like when you install apps on there). With the generous amount of storage memory on the HD2, you should be able to safely install apps to the phone...this phone sidesteps the reason why people started installing apps to the cards in the first place on older hardware, to get around limited on-board storage. Apps will always run smoother/faster from the phone memory anyway, and I have a strong belief that a large part of the SD card problems HD2 owners are experiencing are actually due to not the total volume of data on the card, but how many files there are. Try running the phone with no card in it, or with a card that only has, say, a handful of media on it...I think you'll see a difference.
EDIT: adam...did you try running it that way too yet? I'll get back to your PM on the other issue in just a bit here

sirphunkee said:
darkphantom, I think the issue isn't with the card itself, but rather the phone indexing it when it's full of lots of smaller files (like when you install apps on there). With the generous amount of storage memory on the HD2, you should be able to safely install apps to the phone...this phone sidesteps the reason why people started installing apps to the cards in the first place on older hardware, to get around limited on-board storage. Apps will always run smoother/faster from the phone memory anyway, and I have a strong belief that a large part of the SD card problems HD2 owners are experiencing are actually due to not the total volume of data on the card, but how many files there are. Try running the phone with no card in it, or with a card that only has, say, a handful of media on it...I think you'll see a difference.
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That defeats the purpose of a memory card....
If you have hundreds of songs...what then? GPS files aren't big, but they are numerous.
I got a new one today, will try it out, if not ...selling it.

adamhlj said:
Dammit, I wish I would have read this before I ordered a 16 gig class 6 memory card! Lol, oh well, I guess it won't hurt to have it.
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If I remember correctly the memory card slot only has the speed capabilities of class 2 anyway (the speed transfer between the phone & the memory card), but I could have read the specifications for the port wrong. So I haven't seen the need to upgrade the memory card, but that's just my 2 cents.

darkphantom said:
That defeats the purpose of a memory card....
If you have hundreds of songs...what then? GPS files aren't big, but they are numerous.
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Yeah, I'm not arguing that at all...just wanted to validate the idea that the volume of files on the card are a more direct cause of the issue than the speed of the card. I just believe whatever algorithm they used for that isn't terribly efficient, and can get bogged down (and unstable) when it has to read and sort too many metatags.

I'm done with the phone. Tested the new unit by just turning it on and seeing how it was working.
Same issue.
Its For sale.
Good luck to everyone!

[Q] Performance of Focus with and without an SD Card?

Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno

I got my Focus yesterday. Played with it all afternoon and evening. I already had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card which is listed as compatible, so I went ahead and installed it.
Set everything back up and played with it some more, plus this morning. I've noticed no slowdowns or lagginess of any kind. I've got 22GB free after the install. Also tried the tethering and it worked great.
FYI: I did order the 16GB Kingston class 4 card, but didn't want to wait for it. I'll put that one in my old phone.
Verdict: very happy!

Thanks very much!
I saw a video just now with someone who had added a SD card to their Focus and it still outperformed the HD7. BUT, it was relatively empty (< 2 GB of storage used) which means that it is possible that more of the data was on the NAND memory than on the SD Card.
It would be interesting to see someone install an app without the card in and run it to see how long it takes, then add a card and install the same app and time it, and then fill up the card with media and THEN install the app (once the storage is almost full) and then time it.
May take some time but should be worth it in the end .
I know the data is supposed to be spread across any of the storage facilities available but we're not sure how it is done (simply filling it up, striping the data).

Yes, that's video was unfair, need a full data card to test, waiting
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Jonno2343 said:
Hi All,
I was wondering if someone who has added an SD card to their Focus could comment on the performance of it with it in and with it out.
Maybe a video of before and after showing a game loading or just a general comment on what they've noticed?
Thanks very much and looking forward to your responses!
Jonno
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I ran for a week without an SD card and encountered many of the same issues reported (app hang/crash, marketplace lag/hang). I had to reboot a couple times my first week for one reason or another.
I've since added a class 2 sandisk 8gb and do not notice any difference, performance or otherwise. Incidently I have not had to reboot since I added memory. I have rebooted it once only verify the data was still there after reset.
Hope this helps,

I tested my coworker's Focus vs mine. He had a 16GB Sandisk class 2 card with >8gb of data. I had no card with ~7GB of data. I launched ilomilo on each phone about the same time. They finished pretty much at the same time.

I'll second the above, I've noticed no difference between having a card and not having a card except for the amount of storage available. I'm not saying there's no difference, I'm saying I've noticed no difference so I didn't bother measuring. Programs load and run at the same speed either way, media loads and plays at the same speed...no difference.
Guess I should add that mine is an 8GB Sandisk class 2 card. No problems whatsoever as far as speed, rebooting or anything else.

In my opinion, the best type of test would be a stock Focus vs a Focus with an added micro sd card with the phone+card loaded to the max with content.

I will test this and report back. I have a Focus stock and my wife has one with a 16GB Sandisk Class 2 card in it. I'll load it up and see if there is a difference over the weekend.
My Focus with no memory card has not crashed in the marketplace yet, my wife's does a lot...

Great, thanks very much!
Looking forward to the results.

This is really weird. My first test has one focus with a Class 2 Sandisk 16GB card but only 4.5 GB used total on the phone. The other Focus is stock with no card and about 4.5 GB used also.
Speed tests so far
Stock Focus -
- Marketplace and browsing the catalogs - much faster the first time I tested. after however it was mixed and occasionally the 16GB was quicker.
- People Hub - faster load and browsing.
- Bing Faster load just barely.
Focus+16GB - faster at loading Uverse and Netflix
- Loads Uverse faster
- Loads Netflix a second faster.
Both phones always get back to the main screen at the same speed, weird Also, occassionally the 16GB is slower, then the next test its faster.
I'll load up the card and report back.

The way you should test
Try this place the sd card in then add 9 gb of music and videos then install the program. I highly doubt the sd cards are causing program and marketplace crashes as I can get those to more noticably with wifi on. Also no one really knows what is running in the background. There is multitasking just not available to 3rd party apps so who knows if we are getting facebook syncs when things act weird. I would suggest not setting any accounts up and power off the phone then power it back on if you want a real comparison. The OS files would run from the NAND so dlls and other files that games and programs use should always run from the NAND but not the program it's self so loading the card with data that fills the nand then installing a program to the sd card would show if there are performance issues.

I've been very curious about this. I have a pny 8gb class 4 in mine. I've been paranoid about performance decreases, but i haven't seen any clear difference. But i would certainly appreciate a video or something confirming that there is no performance decrease, just to settle my paranoia.

When I first bought my Focus it was about a week before I actually installed a SD Card in it. Im using a 8gb Sandisk class 2 right now and have noticed NO difference in performance at all. Its still fast, smooth and runs beautifully. Ill be getting a 16gb Sandisk class 2 card very soon...I would assume that wont change things either....Seems Sandisk is the way to go if you wanna be safe...since Sandisk in used for phone memory by Samsung.

I have the Kingston 32GB card in... no issues what so ever and I have over 15GBs on the card to date. I took the chance and so far *KNOCK-ON-WOOD* nothing has come up

Should be getting a Sandisk 16GB Class 10 soon, will update.

[Q] how many apps will note be able handle ?

hi
I face phone restarts once or twice a day
I have 200 apps including 4to 8 HD games
I have 16Gb class four SD card
During these restsrts if i remove the sd card then everything goes
Normal.
Should i go for class 6 memory card
Or uninstall more apps
I have 10Gb free space in sd
1gb free system memory
And 2 gb free phone memory
Wat should be done

Two restarts a day is not normal - only time I had that was with a very early ROM. Have you tried different kernel or ROM?
Are most of your apps on the SD card? Seems that there are some dodgy SD cards out there.
What I would do is backup all of the apps, reformat the card and then load your favourite apps back on to it and see how it goes. Do you use 200 apps regularly? Just use the favourites for a while. Also maybe try a different SD card?

TempusFudgeIt said:
Two restarts a day is not normal - only time I had that was with a very early ROM. Have you tried different kernel or ROM?
Are most of your apps on the SD card? Seems that there are some dodgy SD cards out there.
What I would do is backup all of the apps, reformat the card and then load your favourite apps back on to it and see how it goes. Do you use 200 apps regularly? Just use the favourites for a while. Also maybe try a different SD card?
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am still with my stock rom
all the possible apps moved to SD card , i just use those apps once in 2 or 3 days
only 4-6 apps i use daily .
should i go for class 6 SD card , currently am using transcend , should i try someother brand , if yes which one

Transcend is good brand. I've used it and a few other commercial ones (don't want to advertise!)
I have a Class 6 and Class 10 (and a cheap Class 6 one that I think is really only class 4 - it plays up and pixelates on videos)
If you can afford it definitely go Class 6 minimum. (PS I used Class 10 interchangeably on my DLSR for HD videos so I know it works well)

I would recommend formatting the card from the device itself and try again. Even 500 apps shouldnt crash the sevice. I have found several root apps that can crash the device but normally it shouldnt happen.
Transcend are a good brand and I wouldnt worry too much about the card unless its damaged.
The phones can be funny at times about the filenames in tye root of the card and i have found corrupt videos and images can sometimes crash the media scanner.
If youre capable, try get a dmesg log and logcat which might be more helpful if the problem persists.
Hope you have more luck now.
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lags?

Guys ever since I placed my class 10 64gb SD card phone became slow and very laggy heck it even kills touchwiz when I exit any app!
I know my SD card is the issue because when I unmount it, phone is fast and snappy again.
I know all apps store their data on SD card in marshmallow but I don't want to root to fix it.
So any cheap good micro SD card to buy? I got my sight on Samsung Evo but did anybody try it?

Help Please! MAJOR SD card issues!

New to XDA, not new to Android.
Phone: Moto X Play
Rom: Stock Marshmallow 6.1
Issue: SD Card disappears randomly (formatted as internal storage!!!)
Bootloader never unlocked, never rooted.
I have a sandisk 32gb micro sd card that works when I first start the phone. The problem is that it will randomly, completely, disappear.
Now I'm not, IMO, a complete noob. I am fairly (99%) sure it is indeed the sd card at fault. Ok, not an issue, I can always replace it with a new one.
The issue is, of course, that EVERYTHING is on my SD card, most importantly, my photos.
Even without accessing a file manager (phone idle, browsing web, playing games) the sd card will eventually fail leaving it inaccessible until the phone is restarted. When attempting to access my photos, which is what I need most, it fails MUCH quicker.
Having not used the "Google Photos" app before (just Gallery), I am not at all sure if my photos were ever backed up online, If they were, I'm not sure where to look.
Trying to access them via usb, wifi file transfer, bt tranfer, and even from file managers on the phone itself, result in an almost immediate failure of the sd card. 5 seconds or so tops.
The card is formatted as "Internal Storage" and I have not been able to find a way to get a computer or anything else to read it, and I would imagine for security reasons, there is no way.
Here's the question: Is there any way to get photos off the sd card, that wont take me three million years in 5 second intervals, while having to restart the phone every bleeping time the sd card fails to get it to recognize the sd card again?
Suggestions please!
Thanks in advance,
Canabian

Canabian420 said:
New to XDA, not new to Android.
Phone: Moto X Play
Rom: Stock Marshmallow 6.1
Issue: SD Card disappears randomly (formatted as internal storage!!!)
Bootloader never unlocked, never rooted.
I have a sandisk 32gb micro sd card that works when I first start the phone. The problem is that it will randomly, completely, disappear.
Now I'm not, IMO, a complete noob. I am fairly (99%) sure it is indeed the sd card at fault. Ok, not an issue, I can always replace it with a new one.
The issue is, of course, that EVERYTHING is on my SD card, most importantly, my photos.
Even without accessing a file manager (phone idle, browsing web, playing games) the sd card will eventually fail leaving it inaccessible until the phone is restarted. When attempting to access my photos, which is what I need most, it fails MUCH quicker.
Having not used the "Google Photos" app before (just Gallery), I am not at all sure if my photos were ever backed up online, If they were, I'm not sure where to look.
Trying to access them via usb, wifi file transfer, bt tranfer, and even from file managers on the phone itself, result in an almost immediate failure of the sd card. 5 seconds or so tops.
The card is formatted as "Internal Storage" and I have not been able to find a way to get a computer or anything else to read it, and I would imagine for security reasons, there is no way.
Here's the question: Is there any way to get photos off the sd card, that wont take me three million years in 5 second intervals, while having to restart the phone every bleeping time the sd card fails to get it to recognize the sd card again?
Suggestions please!
Thanks in advance,
Canabian
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Format the card using computer (Not quick format )
Quick format didn't worked for me.
And don't make card as internal, use it as portable

with the sd card in the phone, go to settings - apps, show system apps. then select External Storage, force stop it or clear it cache. do the same to Media Storage. reboot the phone, once everything loaded wait for 5-10 minutes especially if you have lots of files in a large sd card. once that done, connect the phone to your pc (use mtp if i'm not mistaken) and hopefully you can now access the internal (sd card) contents.

jerryn70 said:
Format the card using computer (Not quick format )
Quick format didn't worked for me.
And don't make card as internal, use it as portable
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This will HOPEFULLY resolve the issue AFTER I get my photos off the card!
What I need help with is getting roughly 10 gigs of data off a card that works intermittently for roughly 5 seconds at a time....
-Canabian

pijes said:
with the sd card in the phone, go to settings - apps, show system apps. then select External Storage, force stop it or clear it cache. do the same to Media Storage. reboot the phone, once everything loaded wait for 5-10 minutes especially if you have lots of files in a large sd card. once that done, connect the phone to your pc (use mtp if i'm not mistaken) and hopefully you can now access the internal (sd card) contents.
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I will try this and report back.
One question... If the card is formatted as internal storage, clearing data for external storage and media storage will not cause the phone to "forget" the sd card will it?
Thanks,
Canabian.

I think I have come up with a solution to my own problem. If this works satisfactorily, I will let others know as this may help many other people facing this issue.
I am on a linux pc. I am going to try to use RSYNC to copy the files over. This SHOULD copy files over, deleting them from the source folder as it goes. Once the sd card fails, which it WILL, once I reboot the phone and start rsync once again, it should "resume" where it left off.
Here is the command for anyone else that may need it:
rsync -v --progress --remove-source-files --recursive --append-verify /path/to/source/files /path/to/destination/folder
Hopefully this works the way I hope it will. Will post back with my results when I can.
Thanks again,
Canabian.

I had the same problem, and the solution (that maybe someone posted somewhere in the internet) is using a faster SD card. Since I switched to a sandisk extreme pro, the problem disappeared. Be careful, though, when using Samsung SD cards: my moto x play doesn't like them much (I had to replace them twice before buying the sandisk; in some way the partition tables of the Samsung SD cards were damaged, plus they became read-only, resulting in two unusable cards).

jauffre said:
I had the same problem, and the solution (that maybe someone posted somewhere in the internet) is using a faster SD card. Since I switched to a sandisk extreme pro, the problem disappeared. Be careful, though, when using Samsung SD cards: my moto x play doesn't like them much (I had to replace them twice before buying the sandisk; in some way the partition tables of the Samsung SD cards were damaged, plus they became read-only, resulting in two unusable cards).
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which samsung model did you use? I just replaced my normal class 10 strontium card yesterday with a brand new samsung evo plus u1 card and formatted it as internal storage. so far the phone feels a bit snappy with this card.

dude search a little in this section and i hope u find the fix.i just let u know that our device has very sensitive sd pins and many users had accidentally bented them and didn't know the problem!
i hope u are not one of them!so if you are lucky,next time u put the sd be veeeery careful!i personally didn't put it out from the time i bought it...

pijes said:
which samsung model did you use? I just replaced my normal class 10 strontium card yesterday with a brand new samsung evo plus u1 card and formatted it as internal storage. so far the phone feels a bit snappy with this card.
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It was just a Samsung Evo class 10. The strange thing is that I tried also a Sandisk of the same class, which gave me only the "external memory missing" problem, while the Samsung ones became just unusable plastic. But maybe I should try better Samsung SD cards.