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Hello I wanted to create this thread because this phone is really nice and has a great camera, but not perfect at all, first problem is the raw mode, it's cool but why is has some darker corner and green tint ?? and it's only 20Mo instead of 30Mo with Camera FV-5 and ProShot apps.
But Vincent2167 find a calibration file : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61360315&postcount=314
LG still have to fix it and don't need this...
An other problem is the camera mode, we can't record in 1080p in 60fps, it kind of sucks for a flagship in 2015, but the worst is the 4K video, the video is pixelated, try to shot a landscape with a blue sky, you will noticed that the sky is very pixelated... probably because the bitrate is too low, only 30Mbps for 4K is low low. I read it's almost 50Mbps for the Galaxy S6.
To finish, the camera mode when you do a zoom, a close up, the mic change and the sound quality recorded become very bad, especially when you want to record a concert, you can see it here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKJZqdD8oZc
@0:34 when we zoom the mic change and the sound is closed, pretty bad, when it unzoom the sound come to reality @1:28
Edit : I forgot the video stabilisation, I think LG can do better, and has to do something to activated or deactivated the stabilisation because it makes the picture very distorted when moving.
Edit 2 : The front camera pretty good details, but the background is always overexposed even with HDR activated, so bye selfies with nice landscape.
So please LG fix this, it's nothing, sound like you just wanted to contain all real potentials of the G4, and wait to make for G5 or what ?
Edit 3 : Since Marshmallow, videos in 4K have better bitrate, 46Mbps instead of 30Mpbs only with Lollipop.
Why doesn't the camera app have a night mode setting anymore? I'm too old to remember ISO and shutter settings anymore. In fact, the stock camera app seems to be missing many features that existed on the G2 stock camera app.
jlv3 said:
Why doesn't the camera app have a night mode setting anymore?
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Because its not needed any more. The G4 will take a night shot by itself if it thinks its necessary. It even does this with the front camera.
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Hello I wanted to create this thread because this phone is really nice and has a great camera, but not perfect at all, first problem is the raw mode, it's cool but why is has some darker corner and green tint ?? and it's only 20Mo instead of 30Mo with Camera FV-5 and ProShot apps.
But Vincent2167 find a calibration file : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61360315&postcount=314
LG still have to fix it and don't need this...
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In the mean time use vincent's workaround.
An other problem is the camera mode, we can't record in 1080p in 60fps, it kind of sucks for a flagship in 2015, but the worst is the 4K video, the video is pixelated, try to shot a landscape with a blue sky, you will noticed that the sky is very pixelated... probably because the bitrate is too low, only 30Mbps for 4K is low low. I read it's almost 50Mbps for the Galaxy S6.
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Did you see this mod ?
60fps does not seem stable but higher bitrate 48Mbs? at 4k looks to work. Needs root though.
Suspect they used a lower bitrate rate to keep file size, power consumption as well as heat low as possible. With the Z3 in warmer climates you could not get it to record 4k for more than 3 minutes (!) cold weather was better.
To finish, the camera mode when you do a zoom, a close up, the mic change and the sound quality recorded become very bad, espacially when you want to record a concert, you can see it here :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKJZqdD8oZc
@0:34 when we zoom the mic change and the sound is closed, pretty bad, when it unzoom the sound come to reality @1:28
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LG has been doing this since the G2. They think voice is more important.
Edit : I forgot the video stabilisation, I think LG can do better, and has to do something to activated or deactivated the stabilisation because it makes the picture very distorted when moving.
So please LG fix this, it's nothing, sound like you just wanted to contain all real potentials of the G4, and wait to make for G5 or what ?
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I find this one a bit odd almost like they did not get time to do it by the time of launch. it could be better.
Its early days so fixes are possible
jlv3 said:
Why doesn't the camera app have a night mode setting anymore? I'm too old to remember ISO and shutter settings anymore. In fact, the stock camera app seems to be missing many features that existed on the G2 stock camera app.
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You basically answered your own question. It's not needed anymore *because* we can now manually control ISO and shutter speed.
"Don't include features, people will complain. Include those features, people will complain."
Now when I use manual mode and move the MF slider all the way up to auto the camera app fc's. Anybody else experience this?
mcfhsieh said:
Now when I use manual mode and move the MF slider all the way up to auto the camera app fc's. Anybody else experience this?
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Using a custom dpi?
Yep 560.
One Twelve said:
Did you see this mod ?
60fps does not seem stable but higher bitrate 48Mbs? at 4k looks to work. Needs root though.
Suspect they used a lower bitrate rate to keep file size, power consumption as well as heat low as possible. With the Z3 in warmer climates you could not get it to record 4k for more than 3 minutes (!) cold weather was better.
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No I didn't thanks, but still need to be root.
mcfhsieh said:
Now when I use manual mode and move the MF slider all the way up to auto the camera app fc's. Anybody else experience this?
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Custom DPI does this. It does it with me too sometimes.
What is custom DPI ?
UP, I hope LG will fix it. Do you think the stabilisation in the video can be improved ?
Which one have the best accurate colors ? the warm or cold one ?
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Oversharpening!
Too much oversharpening when zoom photos.. And warmer colors than reaity
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DoKaTSuYa said:
Which one have the best accurate colors ? the warm or cold one ?
I have the warm...
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Have you rooted devices? I own H815 and don't have OFF or ON on sliders in settings (just I or O).
If rooted, how did you change temperature? Root app?
No I'm not root, I found this picture here, and I went to the store, the LG G4 has different screen temps, in the store it was cold, mine is warmer... So I wanted to know which one has the best accurate colors or which one has been reviewed on internet.
Where exactly have you found this photo?
oile said:
Where exactly have you found this photo?
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Here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-g4/help/2-g4s-cameras-screen-temps-t3186732
Someone know the answer of my question ? "Which one have the best accurate colors ? the warm or cold one ? "
DoKaTSuYa said:
Someone know the answer of my question ? "Which one have the best accurate colors ? the warm or cold one ? "
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Neither. The warm has more yellow and the cold has more blue. some people like colder screens ie blue. Course the degree of tint matters, if its too yellow or too blue then its not good as you never see white. This matters if you are watching movies or seeing photos but less if you are reading docs say..
The term 'accurate' isn't a good one because accurate colours require expensive screens to reproduce and are not attractive to view.
So vendors tweak the colours so that they pop and are pleasing. it seems pleasing is more important to people than accurate.
there is no way to calibrate a phone screen either, android does not support it yet like you could do using a spider say with a regular monitor. And this calibration needs to be done on a regular basis to remain accurate.
personally i prefer warmer as its easier on the eyes. on my laptop i have a utility called f.lux that drops the colour temperature after sunset. otherwise its like staring into a headlight! have to turn it off when viewing photos but otherwise for working its been great.
i did the same with my phone using an app called twilight.
Ok, but when I said accurate, I meant the color reproduction of the others colors, I think I read someone said warmer teint has better color reproduction than the cold one but I can't find it anymore. Personnaly I prefer cold, because of his real white, but not too cold to be blue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OAAy5D7E-U
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The camera is great overall, much like the S7 was and still is, however, I get a feeling Samsung's software is applying some sort of auto smoothing technique while shooting in Auto. I've noticed lately when I take a photo of someone in an environment, everything in the image is crisp with great detail accept for the person or people looking at the camera. Their skin appears a tad smooth, with no pores and less wrinkles, but the accessories they're wearing, and their clothes, are crisp with fantastic detail.
I've downloaded the stock Google camera app to test it, and in the same environment, the person's skin is how it was on the S7 camera, much more detailed and realistic. I can see pores and imperfections. What's stranger is, if the person is not looking at the camera, it's like the software doesn't recognize a face, and that person's side features like the skin has far more realistic detail as apposed to when they're looking at the camera and it becomes more smooth. I can see their freckles and pores more.
I thought for awhile my camera was back focusing and I just wasn't focused on the faces of people, thus resulting in a tad blurry face. But I kept noticing their hats and shirts, which are at the same focal distance, had fantastic detail. Taking a landscape or cityscape photo results in crisp and detailed images, but put someone at full length in the shot for a portrait, and their face is smooth as apposed to everything around them.
I have a hunch Samsung is applying auto smoothing of people's skin while shooting in auto. The Google camera app isn't doing that. If it's because they think most consumer's would appreciate smoother looking skin, well maybe ok, but that's what the selfie feature of beauty mode is for, not the rear camera.
Anyone else notice this?
I have the same problem. How can it be fixed?
JDM9499 said:
The camera is great overall, much like the S7 was and still is, however, I get a feeling Samsung's software is applying some sort of auto smoothing technique while shooting in Auto. I've noticed lately when I take a photo of someone in an environment, everything in the image is crisp with great detail accept for the person or people looking at the camera. Their skin appears a tad smooth, with no pores and less wrinkles, but the accessories they're wearing, and their clothes, are crisp with fantastic detail.
I've downloaded the stock Google camera app to test it, and in the same environment, the person's skin is how it was on the S7 camera, much more detailed and realistic. I can see pores and imperfections. What's stranger is, if the person is not looking at the camera, it's like the software doesn't recognize a face, and that person's side features like the skin has far more realistic detail as apposed to when they're looking at the camera and it becomes more smooth. I can see their freckles and pores more.
I thought for awhile my camera was back focusing and I just wasn't focused on the faces of people, thus resulting in a tad blurry face. But I kept noticing their hats and shirts, which are at the same focal distance, had fantastic detail. Taking a landscape or cityscape photo results in crisp and detailed images, but put someone at full length in the shot for a portrait, and their face is smooth as apposed to everything around them.
I have a hunch Samsung is applying auto smoothing of people's skin while shooting in auto. The Google camera app isn't doing that. If it's because they think most consumer's would appreciate smoother looking skin, well maybe ok, but that's what the selfie feature of beauty mode is for, not the rear camera.
Anyone else notice this?
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I have the same problem. How can it be fixed?
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It's definitely bizarre. Probably most consumers won't notice and if they do, don't care and maybe even some appreciate it. Again, I have no idea if this is indeed a little trick Samsung baked into the camera software, but I've stopped shooting with AUTO unless it's a landscape scene or I need the HDR mode (Samsung does a fantastic job with HDR without making it look cheesy fake).
My workflow is now I shoot in the PRO mode if my main subject is a person, and process with Snapseed or Adobe Photoshop Express. The details are crisp and awesome. AUTO mode makes the people's faces look like an oil painting while the rest of the scene is crisp with great detail. Totally bizarre!
I'd use another camera app, but the speed of shooting in RAW mode is so fast with the stock app, and if I need HDR, it's right there in the options menu rather than opening another camera app. So I'm still using the stock app, just changed my workflow.
That's very helpful, thanks. I will try that and let you know how the results are. I am coming from an S6 which does not exhibit this problem. It's a bit sad to me to see faces looking heavily over-processed. Interestingly this is something I found LG did in the past and the main reason I didn't get a G4 back in the day. Like you say it also seems quite specific to faces so I presume it's algorithmic and an attempt to prettify faces or something like you can do with selfies. It's just a pity it's not an option/flag because otherwise the camera is extremely capable, especially (I find) in dealing with difficult lighting.
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It's definitely bizarre. Probably most consumers won't notice and if they do, don't care and maybe even some appreciate it. Again, I have no idea if this is indeed a little trick Samsung baked into the camera software, but I've stopped shooting with AUTO unless it's a landscape scene or I need the HDR mode (Samsung does a fantastic job with HDR without making it look cheesy fake).
My workflow is now I shoot in the PRO mode if my main subject is a person, and process with Snapseed or Adobe Photoshop Express. The details are crisp and awesome. AUTO mode makes the people's faces look like an oil painting while the rest of the scene is crisp with great detail. Totally bizarre!
I'd use another camera app, but the speed of shooting in RAW mode is so fast with the stock app, and if I need HDR, it's right there in the options menu rather than opening another camera app. So I'm still using the stock app, just changed my workflow.
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Sorry if I can ask just two questions:
(1) Do you have a Sony or Samsung sensor? I am wondering if it's a problem specific to ISOCELL since I don't see evidence of it in many reviews
(2) What specifically do you do with Snapseed?
Thanks
JDM9499 said:
It's definitely bizarre. Probably most consumers won't notice and if they do, don't care and maybe even some appreciate it. Again, I have no idea if this is indeed a little trick Samsung baked into the camera software, but I've stopped shooting with AUTO unless it's a landscape scene or I need the HDR mode (Samsung does a fantastic job with HDR without making it look cheesy fake).
My workflow is now I shoot in the PRO mode if my main subject is a person, and process with Snapseed or Adobe Photoshop Express. The details are crisp and awesome. AUTO mode makes the people's faces look like an oil painting while the rest of the scene is crisp with great detail. Totally bizarre!
I'd use another camera app, but the speed of shooting in RAW mode is so fast with the stock app, and if I need HDR, it's right there in the options menu rather than opening another camera app. So I'm still using the stock app, just changed my workflow.
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That's very helpful, thanks. I will try that and let you know how the results are. I am coming from an S6 which does not exhibit this problem. It's a bit sad to me to see faces looking heavily over-processed. Interestingly this is something I found LG did in the past and the main reason I didn't get a G4 back in the day. Like you say it also seems quite specific to faces so I presume it's algorithmic and an attempt to prettify faces or something like you can do with selfies. It's just a pity it's not an option/flag because otherwise the camera is extremely capable, especially (I find) in dealing with difficult lighting.
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Sorry if I can ask just two questions:
(1) Do you have a Sony or Samsung sensor? I am wondering if it's a problem specific to ISOCELL since I don't see evidence of it in many reviews
(2) What specifically do you do with Snapseed?
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How can I find it which sensor I have?
Install Aida64 from play store (sorry I cannot link to it)
In the "Devices" section, if you have a Sony sensor it will say Sony something for Camera ID. If it's ISOCELL it will say SLSI_somethingsomething
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How can I find it which sensor I have?
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renegadem4ster said:
Install Aida64 from play store (sorry I cannot link to it)
In the "Devices" section, if you have a Sony sensor it will say Sony something for Camera ID. If it's ISOCELL it will say SLSI_somethingsomething
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I have the Sony sensor. And like you mentioned, there's prettyfying going on with aggressive image over-processing. I don't think it's hardware related because the RAW files are awesome. But AUTO mode definitely did not do this with my past Galaxy's (S6 & S7). In fact, the jpegs were so good I almost never shot in RAW!
I hope Samsung can scale this back on a future update. Realistic looking people is not always a bad thing.
Well it's good to know it's not the sensor type because they don't sell Sony varieties where I live. But yeah I mean in some other situations I take staggeringly good photos so I wish Samsung would just tone it down in an update or something. Otherwise I might just swap it for a Pixel/Pixel 2. It irritates me a bit but there's no real noise about it on the web.
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I have the Sony sensor. And like you mentioned, there's prettyfying going on with aggressive image over-processing. I don't think it's hardware related because the RAW files are awesome. But AUTO mode definitely did not do this with my past Galaxy's (S6 & S7). In fact, the jpegs were so good I almost never shot in RAW!
I hope Samsung can scale this back on a future update. Realistic looking people is not always a bad thing.
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Well it's good to know it's not the sensor type because they don't sell Sony varieties where I live. But yeah I mean in some other situations I take staggeringly good photos so I wish Samsung would just tone it down in an update or something. Otherwise I might just swap it for a Pixel/Pixel 2. It irritates me a bit but there's no real noise about it on the web.
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"...but there's no real noise about it on the web."
I think because a majority of consumers honestly don't care if people's facial details are 'prettified', and honestly may actually appreciate it. I and other folks that love photography prefer the realistic detail though!
Guys what does that yellow auto button do in Pro mode?
I've seen it pop up now and then on screen in Pro.
choccy31 said:
Guys what does that yellow auto button do in Pro mode?
I've seen it pop up now and then on screen in Pro.
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Can you take a screen grab next time you see it? I'm not certain what it is you see because I don't see a yellow auto button unless I open up one of the manual control options like shutter speed etc., which is just an indication that it's in auto (even though it's the pro mode) and you're not manually adjusting yourself. If that makes sense...
I have seen this since the Galaxy S7 Edge. Samsung automatically sets up their beauty function on the camera that way when a selfie is being taken. Very simple to remove. All you have to do is click the icon of a woman's head on the bottom right and set everything to 0.
j0kerb0mb said:
I have seen this since the Galaxy S7 Edge. Samsung automatically sets up their beauty function on the camera that way when a selfie is being taken. Very simple to remove. All you have to do is click the icon of a woman's head on the bottom right and set everything to 0.
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That too, but we're talking about the rear camera. Not the selfie camera. The rear camera appears to also be applying a smoothing or "prettify" effect to people's faces when recognized. It's subtle, but enough to notice people's skins are smooth and less detailed then the clothes or their surrounding environment are.
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Can you take a screen grab next time you see it? I'm not certain what it is you see because I don't see a yellow auto button unless I open up one of the manual control options like shutter speed etc., which is just an indication that it's in auto (even though it's the pro mode) and you're not manually adjusting yourself. If that makes sense...
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Ah that makes sense. So even in Pro it can sit select settings itself.
Does that mean will still take in RAW also?
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Ah that makes sense. So even in Pro it can sit select settings itself.
Does that mean will still take in RAW also?
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Even in Pro mode, you can still let the shutter speed, ISO etc., stay AUTO. And yup, you can still save in RAW. :good:
So, in the end this irked me so much I sold the phone. I read a lot of reviews and chatted to some guys and the general consensus is if you want to see detail on faces, get a Pixel. I noticed also in testing (I tested against a few phones) that the iPhone 7 does the same thing but in a less exaggerated way. Lastly, I don't have enough cred to post links but check out Phandroid comparison of S5, S6, S7 and S8. This was exactly my experience coming from an S6 to an S8.
I did also do an experiment taking selfies with the rear camera. Previously I had mostly been taking pics of my kids. Now I'm a grizzled-ish dude. Lots of lines on my face and wrinkles. Too much sun, no cream, getting old. I won't lie the camera kind of made me look good. The combination of sharpening and smoothing made it a good pic. Maybe that is why nobody moans? With my kid, I miss the reality of it. Where are the freckles and fine hairs or tiny pimples on their faces? But with me it's like smoothing out flaws. Maybe that's why generally people like it. It creates pleasing pictures that may not be too true to reality. In particular the photos look best zoomed out so good for Facebook/Instagram.
Good luck with the Pixel guys. I bought one before my S8 and loved it until I started taking photos. Before I had taken my 5th photo I started noticing awful flare and halos whenever there was a light source anywhere in front of the phone - not even necessarily in the frame. My best photos are taken contre-jour and the delicate lighting effects you can get shooting towards the sun in particular can result in some lovely shots. Knowing I would have to stop taking these sort of photos was a real deal-breaker and I returned the Pixel and ordered an S8. I took a photo last weekend with the sun actually in the frame and got very minimal flare. It would have destroyed the Pixel photo.
The S8 is truly brilliant at handling difficult light sources, especially rear-lit. The only problem I had with it is the way it totally killed facial textures.
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Good luck with the Pixel guys. I bought one before my S8 and loved it until I started taking photos. Before I had taken my 5th photo I started noticing awful flare and halos whenever there was a light source anywhere in front of the phone - not even necessarily in the frame. My best photos are taken contre-jour and the delicate lighting effects you can get shooting towards the sun in particular can result in some lovely shots. Knowing I would have to stop taking these sort of photos was a real deal-breaker and I returned the Pixel and ordered an S8. I took a photo last weekend with the sun actually in the frame and got very minimal flare. It would have destroyed the Pixel photo.
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The S8 is truly brilliant at handling difficult light sources, especially rear-lit. The only problem I had with it is the way it totally killed facial textures.
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A photo of my granddaughter. One of the first I took on my new S8. Can you see the issue here?
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Looks pretty good. Not being familiar with your granddaughter it's difficult for me to comment how true to life it is. But when taking pictures of my own children on my S8, it had a super strong tendency to just wash away all the facial texture making it unnaturally smooth-looking. I don't think it would help for me to post the image because again you don't know what it should look like. On my S6, there is subtlety in the texture.. dapples of colour, fine marks etc. On the S8 it's just like smooth white. I'm not sure if that's making sense
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A photo of my granddaughter. One of the first I took on my new S8. Can you see the issue here?
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The A2 camera app is somewhat complex. One of the reviews I read indicated you can manually switch between the 12mp lens and the low-light 20mp lens.
The review also mentioned that the app switches between them under certain circumstances, but it's not known specifically what they are. So went ahead and did the manual switch and had some good results.
Get the menu on the bottom where u can select 'photo', 'portrait', etc. At the end of this list (swipe it left) you'll find 'manual'. Select that to choose numerous options including 'low light camera'.
Note the low light doesn't have the ability to enable HDR, which makes sense as HDR is used in high contrast lighting, which a low light shot won't have.
These results, taken a few seconds apart, show how the 'pixel binning' of the low light lens really helps:
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The A2 camera app is somewhat complex. One of the reviews I read indicated you can manually switch between the 12mp lens and the low-light 20mp lens.
The review also mentioned that the app switches between them under certain circumstances, but it's not known specifically what they are. So went ahead and did the manual switch and had some good results.
Get the menu on the bottom where u can select 'photo', 'portrait', etc. At the end of this list (swipe it left) you'll find 'manual'. Select that to choose numerous options including 'low light camera'.
Note the low light doesn't have the ability to enable HDR, which makes sense as HDR is used in high contrast lighting, which a low light shot won't have.
These results, taken a few seconds apart, show how the 'pixel binning' of the low light lens really helps:
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Tap the 3 horizontal lines button in top right corner, select HHT to manually turn on this feature without using manual mode...
what is hht
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Tap the 3 vertical lines button in top right corner, select HHT to manually turn on this feature without using manual mode...
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Thnx, I'll check that out.
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"HHT (Handheld Twilight) mode takes multiple sequential images under low light conditions, aligns them, and then create a single optimized image."
found on the web. Sounds well worth trying.
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Experimenting with this, surprisingly, it doesn't use the low light lens.
2 ways to determine that; 1st the obvious and most definitive; cover one or the other lens and determine which one it's using. In the case with 'Photo' and 'HHT', it's using the lower lens. But if you go to 'manual' mode I described, select 'low light lens', it's using the lens on top.
2nd is the megapixel size from 'info'. The lower lens (12 mp) results in 9 mp in info, while info for the top lens is 15 mp.
Kind of odd really, as HHT is described as ideal for 'low light', but it doesn't use the low light lens? what?
I don't figure out the different low light camera modes as well.
Hope Xiaomi will bring a camera update soon, to get rid of that camera mayhem.
On the homepage it is said: "Smart lens selection is available for Portait mode only. Support will be added for typical photo mode in a future update."
I think that the back camera is dooing quite good in the darkness - but its not easy to take a good picture quickly , due to the complicated menu...
It is confusing @deckimbal it does seem xiaomi is working on bug issues, which is great news.
Tested the HDR capability this morning, it seems to do a very good job. The differences are obvious. Should point out, the lens was (set to Auto, so I didn't select this as an option) wide open (f1.7), which creates a 'natural' depth of field effect.
What that means with these pictures is that some parts, unexpectedly, are a bit out of focus. The best focus seems to be where the cars are, zoom into those and you can see that.
Normally, a shot like this would want the largest depth of field possible, not the narrowest, but still a good example of HDR ability;
Another thing, I remember reading reviews that indicated the MiA2 would have a voice activated shutter ability? If it does, I can't find the setting.
Either a voice or hand gesture is kind of ideal for selfies with a number of people in it, using 2 hands on the phone means it has to be closer to the subjects and thus less of a field of vision. One hand with voice activation would be much appreciated
Is the setting there and I am too blind to see it? possible!
Unfortunately, it does not seem to be possible to disable the pixel binning. For comparison, find below details from two pictures taken with the lens manually selected. The first picture was taken with the regular lens. The second picture was taken with the low light lens. Notice that although the resolution in pixels is higher, there is less detail.
regular lens, 12 MP, 4mm, f/1.8, ISO-100, 1/603 sec
low-light lens, 20 MP, 4mm, f/1.8, ISO-100, 1/1032 sec
Very interesting @feklee will have to do some additional testing on that, not what you'd expect for sure.
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Unfortunately, it does not seem to be possible to disable the pixel binning. For comparison, find below details from two pictures taken with the lens manually selected. The first picture was taken with the regular lens. The second picture was taken with the low light lens. Notice that although the resolution in pixels is higher, there is less detail.
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I have the same findings, seems to be impossible to disable pixel binning, perhaps in bright light the phone will automatically toggle that off ?
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I have the same findings, seems to be impossible to disable pixel binning, perhaps in bright light the phone will automatically toggle that off ?
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That kind of doesn't make any sense Philip. The lens that does pixel binning is the low light lens only. You wouldn't use it in bright light.
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The lens that does pixel binning is the low light lens only. You wouldn't use it in bright light.
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Then they could’ve just used a 5MP sensor: There is zero advantage of using binning compared to using larger pixels.
Binning allows for faster read out speeds from a high res sensor. In cameras it often is used for video recording. For stills, of course, one wants the full resolution, even in low light.
A wild guess: The CPU in the Mi A2 is not powerful enough to quickly do demosaicing and noise reduction of a full 20MP image. Also, it is possible that the 20MP module is actually cheaper than a comparable 5MP module. Furthermore, it is possible that Xiaomi likes to use buzzwords and false advertising.
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perhaps in bright light the phone will automatically toggle that off ?
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It was in bright light. I added details on ISO and exposure to my post with the example images.
Has anyone enabled the Camera2 api for their MiA2? I read somewhere that doing that improves pictures? Not sure what to believe until I try it. Doesn't seem that it should be too difficult to do.
Can anyone confirm that doing so will of course allow installing GCam ports but improve quality of oem camera app?
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Has anyone enabled the Camera2 api for their MiA2? I read somewhere that doing that improves pictures? Not sure what to believe until I try it. Doesn't seem that it should be too difficult to do.
Can anyone confirm that doing so will of course allow installing GCam ports but improve quality of oem camera app?
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It does, just check the thread in apps and theme section, there is samples
Thanks @dodjob I've read that thread, numerous times. Has a lot of great info for sure. One thing that isn't clear, is there a way to enable the cam2 api and then uninstall magisk and unroot? And have the cam2api remain persistent?
Read something to that effect in one of the MiA1 threads, but there weren't too many posts about it. Maybe just wait until Xiaomi updates it, assuming they ever will? I've had GCam ports on other phones, always an improvement.
Getting a 'true' bokeh effect vs a 'software' created one.
Because the Mi A2 has such a wide aperture lens, it's easy to get the bokeh (narrow depth-of-field) effect. It seems Google introduced the 'software' created one to compete with other mfg's that were using dual lenses to accomplish the effect.
But the natural one just can't be beat, the following photo's are (I hope) good examples:
This first one is a "portrait" shot, which is suppose to be used for bokeh effect: exposure values are 1/30sec, f1.7, iso400
The second one is a normal 'photo' shot with values 1/24sec, f1.7, iso400
The third one is another portrait shot, just double checking the first one really, values 1/24sec, f1.7, iso400
This last one, I think, has the best detail of them all, AND thus the best bokeh effect. It was taken with the 'low light' lens manually selected, all other settings left at 'Auto'. The values are: 1/24sec, f1.7, iso400
So, what are we looking for in the pictures? Look carefully at the 'fuzz' around the sock (that's why it was chosen), it's those fine fibers that 'give away' if the picture has a 'natural' bokeh effect or a 'software' created one. The software basically 'draws and outline' around what's in the foreground, and then puts what not in the foreground 'out of focus'. The results with something like fibers, or hairs, or anything similar, is to miss out on those details.
Where the 'natural' bokeh effect has in focus whatever there is within that depth of field, no matters what it is, nor how tiny the detail, including some 'fly away' hair strand.
What's the point? I think you'll get even better bokeh effects with modes other than 'portrait', you'll even be able to do some digital zooming with the other modes. If you zoom in on the pictures, you can see the excellent job the low-light lens did. Pretty impressive.
Portrait shots are coming dull. The face has no shining. The pictures are a little dark too. Any suggestions how to fix?
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Portrait shots are coming dull. The face has no shining. The pictures are a little dark too. Any suggestions how to fix?
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I'd suggest trying another mode, such as normal photo. Is there something about portrait mode that makes you think it's better? I don't use it so I honestly don't know if there are additional capabilities or not.
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I'd suggest trying another mode, such as normal photo. Is there something about portrait mode that makes you think it's better? I don't use it so I honestly don't know if there are additional capabilities or not.
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Everything except the portraits are fine to me. Even the front portraits are beautiful. But when I'm clicking human photos using back camera the results are really poor. Whether it's a normal photo or a portrait the results are really really dull. Not expected from a 20+12 mp camera set up. The colour of the face is so low that it makes me think it is captured may be from a 5 mp old camera. I don't know what's wrong. I'm on stock android with the August security patch.
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
#BEAUTYGATE once again.
Even with Master AI turned off, Portrait mode seems to want to smooth my skin and make the brightness horribly bright.
It really ruins the image, I feel the selfie camera, if anything, is worse than my S8 Plus.
The live preview of my selfie just as I am going to take it shows my face "beautified" to the point where even my hair is smoothened (I have black hair so it's really noticeable).
When taking the picture in portrait mode, it tells me it's going to sharpen it so I shouldn't move for a few moments.
The image then comes out, a lot better than the live preview, you can actually see my hair a bit better, however the colour is still horribly off, I'm a semi tan shaded person, however using this front facing camera, I Seem to be extremely light and white.
Please someone tell me it's not just me??
It could be a bug that the live image is making my face extremely smooth and then sharpening it up once I take the picture, but for what reason should it be like this??
Also, the additional modes for the funky colourful backgrounds etc, DO NOT APPEAR for me when using the live preview. It's only when I snap the picture will the image in my gallery appear with the additional effects.
Has someone found the settings to make selfies look good here?
I saw some video camera reviews on yt where selfies look great, but dont tell what settings they use.
anybody knows?
Surely a selfie thread needs example selfies ;o)
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#BEAUTYGATE once again.
Even with Master AI turned off, Portrait mode seems to want to smooth my skin and make the brightness horribly bright.
It really ruins the image, I feel the selfie camera, if anything, is worse than my S8 Plus.
The live preview of my selfie just as I am going to take it shows my face "beautified" to the point where even my hair is smoothened (I have black hair so it's really noticeable).
When taking the picture in portrait mode, it tells me it's going to sharpen it so I shouldn't move for a few moments.
The image then comes out, a lot better than the live preview, you can actually see my hair a bit better, however the colour is still horribly off, I'm a semi tan shaded person, however using this front facing camera, I Seem to be extremely light and white.
Please someone tell me it's not just me??
It could be a bug that the live image is making my face extremely smooth and then sharpening it up once I take the picture, but for what reason should it be like this??
Also, the additional modes for the funky colourful backgrounds etc, DO NOT APPEAR for me when using the live preview. It's only when I snap the picture will the image in my gallery appear with the additional effects.
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This happened to me too i have black dark skin and i look white on the selfie camera its so bright and overexposed. Same thing happens on snapchat
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This happened to me too i have black dark skin and i look white on the selfie camera its so bright and overexposed. Same thing happens on snapchat
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I think that happens due to the image processing and what is desirable in Asian countries. The mass public they designed it for desire a lighter smoother face. But I could be assuming and completely wrong. My S9+ does this too and it drives me nuts. I hope it can be turned off somehow.
My gf just got a mate 20 pro. When we took our first photos together we immediately noticed they were so much whiter as compared to my s9+. Now I'm trying to find a solution so ended up here.
Disable the beauty effect..
in portrait mode you can change warmth so it can have some impact on skin tone.
I have a mate 20x but hence to same camera sensor i got a question... in portrait selfie i dont really get a bokeh effect (until i choose the backround light shapes) is that normal ? i think it should have a normal one too no?
Turn off all beauty features, except 'warmth'. In 'warmth' settings, tap on the most brown color on the left side, resulting in more natural image than none.
If u dont want overexposed face image, tap on the screen of your face first, then snap. But it looks like u loose HDR feature if taking pictures that way.
Hopefully these customer complaints will be addressed in software updates...after all, it's just processing (heavy handed) and not the camera.
That's true, the cameras on these phones is supposed to be top notch. Hopefully Huawei can adjust the software side to improve the results.
Why doesnt the front camera portrait mode blur the background?
It is meant to be like this?
Photo mode and portrait mode looks the same to me ( Front camera)
Some people claim that update 146 improves selfie quality. All I can tell is my lips don't seem to be pinkish as before but the overexposure processing still persists. Skin is pale and lacking details.
I have tried everything, including lowering exposure and choosing the darkest skintone. The photos still look weird. Post editing with google album app helps improve it, but troublesome when you have to share with family or friends.
In the end, I just ditched native camera app for selfie and am using hedgecam app. Lower one level of exposure and I look so much more natural.
I bought three phones from Huawei: Mate 8, P20 Pro, Mate 20 Pro. This problem has exisited since P20 series and still hasn't been addressed. Basically I have given up hopes. It's the Chinese sense of beauty.
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Why doesnt the front camera portrait mode blur the background?
It is meant to be like this?
Photo mode and portrait mode looks the same to me ( Front camera)
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you need to click on that star on left bottom corner and choose an effect.
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you need to click on that star on left bottom corner and choose an effect.
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Thanks.
It is weird that we need to enable the blur feature after we select the portrait mode.
Is there any difference between the portrait mode with blur mode off and nornal camera mode?
For selfies, we find the usual smoothing of the skin, but it is not too pronounced here. Huawei pushes the luxury to propose some selfies effects with different backgrounds: pop, folding blinds ... the result don't make me happy.
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I think on .171 update, front camera got huge upgrade on low lights and skin tone looks much more natural now.
Hi. I've just get the unit today. It was exynos and I find out the camera was truly bad at dim condition. Even when comparing s20 ultra to note 9, the note 9 picture was much better. I have update my s20 ultra firmware to the latest from Samsung.
Look at the face. The s20 ultra result was having what looks like compression artifact. But it's right out of the camera without any editing. This only happen in dim condition. And also this happens to face only since other than face there's no artifact at all.
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well for one thing it's blurry from the head moving. Second i agree it looks like $hit (no offense to your baby!)
I have no advice other than to say it's unbelievable we could pay $1400 for such an unfinished product..steadily I am losing more and more faith in samsung. At least you were able to get the camera to focus!
We all have similar issues and I think that all of us waiting for the next SW update are customers with a lot of faith. At least Samsung admitted it and if they cannot fix it with the next update then probably most of the phones will be returned.
did you know the 108 megapixel is not on by default? youll have to change the aspect ratio and before you take a picture it should show from the settings which megapixel you are using.
Same. It's very blurry / grainy (yet unnecessarily oversharpened) at the same time in low indoor lighting.
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At least Samsung admitted it and if they cannot fix it with the next update then probably most of the phones will be returned.
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Can you link me?
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did you know the 108 megapixel is not on by default? youll have to change the aspect ratio and before you take a picture it should show from the settings which megapixel you are using.
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What? The post has nothing to do with (and no mention of) the 108mp mode.
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Can you link me?
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They didn't admit anything. It was I think a Twitter post that said something like "Samsung is committed to delivering the best experience for their customers, blah blah blah constantly working to improve experiences for everyone."
It was generic like that
There was an answer to The Verge that they will work on to deliver the best camera experience. Yes it was generic but camera oriented and it is good that they responded.
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did you know the 108 megapixel is not on by default? youll have to change the aspect ratio and before you take a picture it should show from the settings which megapixel you are using.
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I'm not talking about the 108mpx. Also the 108mpx didn't help with the pict quality.
For now the only solution is to use pro mode.
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I'm not talking about the 108mpx. Also the 108mpx didn't help with the pict quality.
For now the only solution is to use pro mode.
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Have you turned off bixby scene optimizer? Watched a YT video earlier that claimed turning it off gets rid of the awful skin smoothing effects.
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Have you turned off bixby scene optimizer? Watched a YT video earlier that claimed turning it off gets rid of the awful skin smoothing effects.
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Yes I've try it. No luck at all. The skin smoothing still happening
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Yes I've try it. No luck at all. The skin smoothing still happening
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I did a pic of myself after the ATBM update and my skin colour was the same as when I turned my head 90 degrees to the side. There was also no smoothing and I could see my pores and other natural stuff
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I did a pic of myself after the ATBM update and my skin colour was the same as when I turned my head 90 degrees to the side. There was also no smoothing and I could see my pores and other natural stuff
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Did you use your selfie or the main sensor?
If you are using main sensor, could you try using auto mode and Pro mode and share the result to here? Also cna you snap your picture in dim area, since I notice the processing occurred in a dim area was more aggressive than on a bright area.
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Did you use your selfie or the main sensor?
If you are using main sensor, could you try using auto mode and Pro mode and share the result to here? Also cna you snap your picture in dim area, since I notice the processing occurred in a dim area was more aggressive than on a bright area.
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I have used the main sensor and it was at work during day time with not bad light conditions. I will give it a try in light dimmed area and give you feedback.
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I have used the main sensor and it was at work during day time with not bad light conditions. I will give it a try in light dimmed area and give you feedback.
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Thanks. And also try move your head slightly when you snap the photo. I'm interested on the result.
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Thanks. And also try move your head slightly when you snap the photo. I'm interested on the result.
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This. I noticed in your first picture the hair on your child's head is blurry. I have a feeling what happened is there was motion in the photo and in trying to fix the motion created all of the weird artifact effect. you'll notice the hair from your note 9 photo is sharp and clear, likely because there was no motion while the photo was taken.
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This. I noticed in your first picture the hair on your child's head is blurry. I have a feeling what happened is there was motion in the photo and in trying to fix the motion created all of the weird artifact effect. you'll notice the hair from your note 9 photo is sharp and clear, likely because there was no motion while the photo was taken.
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The movement was indeed making the artifact worsen. But it also happen in no movement condition.
S20 ultra bad image processing
In this pict, the baby wasn't moving much (minimal movement) .
Movement make it worse.
This picture was in very bright room, the child wasn't moving and the artefact still happening, and take a look at the woman on the background. The artefact was really annoying
Yes I agree. I just took a photo of the news on TV and the anchors faces look like oil painting. How could Samsung have screwed up this badly...it's really unbelievable. And how more people aren't making afuss, I also don't understand.
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Yes I agree. I just took a photo of the news on TV and the anchors faces look like oil painting. How could Samsung have screwed up this badly...it's really unbelievable. And how more people aren't making afuss, I also don't understand.
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Yeah, I don't know what's going with the silence.
For now I'm using the pro mode with all settings set to auto. This way the picture processing won't happen and the picture was very good.
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The movement was indeed making the artifact worsen. But it also happen in no movement condition.
S20 ultra bad image processing
In this pict, the baby wasn't moving much (minimal movement) .
Movement make it worse.
This picture was in very bright room, the child wasn't moving and the artefact still happening, and take a look at the woman on the background. The artefact was really annoying
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It seems that the artifacts come from very bad hdr stitching. Try to take some photos with scene optimiser and hdr off, although it would probably make very little difference. The reason some other phones like pixel and iPhone cand take better shots of moving subjects is because they use something called zero shutter combined with a faster shutter. It means that the phone takes a lot of pictures before the picture is taken. Now, Samsung also uses a buffer since s9 with dedicated dram for the camera but probably is much lower and their hdr stiching is not as smart as Google's for example (accounting for movement in the frame). After all this time you'd think Samsung would figure this out but not many companies do this sadly). Also the big sensor that gathers more light should allow the phone to use faster shutter and bigger iso without introducing much more noise ala huwei.