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Hey guys,
I wanted to get everyone's feedback and experiences between the 3 kernels. I realize that every device behaves differently, but was curious about which ones people have tried, if they found any cool things about specific ones they really liked Or if you wanted to share your experience about the latest build.
Thanks!
Trinity and franco are about the same, but trinity>franco.
KTmanta is in a totally different league, it offers total customization and imo is the best kernel just because of that.
Franco and Trinity are all about performance where ktmanta is about battery optimizations and customizations.
I haven't used Franco or trinity in a while, I know they score higher in benchmarks if that means anything at all.
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I think everyone knows my preference, but they are all good kernels. Unfortunately this tablet is not on Franco's priority list and does not see much development. I dont believe it has a 4.3 compatible version yet and the last release has a serious bug that causes SoD for most people.
I like Trinity and KManta for different reasons (those stated above). If I need to squeeze out battery life, I go with KManta and tweak the settings accordingly. But for my day-to-day use, I like Trinity for its smoothness. Just my two cents
Awesome input guys! Real useful information.
How would you guys describe KTManta when just using the stock values? When you guys say "customization", do you guys mean the voltage settings and stuff like that? I've been flashing for years, but have never really understood how that worked. Which is funny, because I am an experienced PC overclocker. People say the concept is very similar. If KTManta's customization options were removed, would it be then comparable to Trinity? Or would it still be better without all the options?
Would you guys say Trinity still has decent battery life? Compared to KTManta at stock values?
Which one does Chrome work the best with?
Thanks!
Stock for stock Trinity is better because Morfic hardcodes overclock and undervolt values into the kernel and sets up all that stuff as his stock settings for the kernel. KTManta allows you to do those things and WAY more, but does not set them up as stock values because Ktoonsez prefers to keep the default settings for his kernel closer to the default settings of the stock AOSP kernel. So while Trinity may have -50mv undervolt to everything and a GPU overclock of 620MHz (I think that is the speed?), KTManta allows you to go +/- 200 mv to any frequency step for CPU or GPU that you feel like and also allows OC to 2.1GHz on CPU and 720MHz on the GPU if you want to, as well as RAM OC if you want to, and control of the scaling of every part of the chipset, again if you *want* to. But it doesnt set any custom stuff as default since everyone's device is unique and people want to do different things with it. That is why we have pre-made settings available from various users so that you can load custom values to try out without having to go through a bunch of experimentation yourself.
Hi,
Is the cloudy kernel the best for pure performance in terms of lag? Not looking for battery or other performance enhancements.
Is cloudy kernel 1.5 the latest ( just to make sure i have a backup kernel to re-install just on case)?
Is the tweak on hidden menu for HIGH TEMPERATURE still relevant with these kernels?
I am running with ondemand governor.
And just to make sure:
- to install a new kernel i just boot to recovery and flash the kernel without any wipes, right?
- i have xposed and some G2 tweaks running, i don't need to disable/reset or anything?
Thanks for your help! I am still learning.
Nico.
bloof said:
Hi,
Is the cloudy kernel the best for pure performance in terms of lag? Not looking for battery or other performance enhancements.
Is cloudy kernel 1.5 the latest ( just to make sure i have a backup kernel to re-install just on case)?
Is the tweak on hidden menu for HIGH TEMPERATURE still relevant with these kernels?
I am running with ondemand governor.
And just to make sure:
- to install a new kernel i just boot to recovery and flash the kernel without any wipes, right?
- i have xposed and some G2 tweaks running, i don't need to disable/reset or anything?
Thanks for your help! I am still learning.
Nico.
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Hello Nico.
I'm hoping that I can assist you with this topic.
First off, regarding the kernel you have plenty of choices. There are two, however, that I'd recommend.
1. Dorimanx Kernel. That kernel is absolutely amazing with LOTS of tweaks, thermal protection, ad-blocker, allows overclocking to 2.8Ghz and much much more. I can't list all the features because they are so many. But there's one thing in particular - it's fast. Dorimanx has created a hybrid kernel from 3.4.xxx and 3.10.y source codes. This is my go-to kernel.
2. Bruce Kernel. It's a modified stock kernel with Bruce's own tweaks. It's fast, very battery friendly but lacks customisation. It also doesn't have thermal protection or any thermal throttling.
Now to your other questions:
Yes, Cloudy 1.5 should be the latest.
I wouldn't mess with the ROM thermal protection found in hidden menu. The gain in speed is most likely negligible but you make your phone more prone to heat damage.
Ondemand governor is great for smoothness, but you'll have a ton of options if you decide to use dorimanx. I use alucard because it's the sweet spot between amazing battery performance and smoothness.
You can install a new kernel without any wipes. Kernel doesn't interfere with ROM as such and you don't have to disable anything. A Kernel is basically what makes software and hardware work together.
I hope this helps!
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Hello Nico.
I'm hoping that I can assist you with this topic.
First off, regarding the kernel you have plenty of choices. There are two, however, that I'd recommend.
1. Dorimanx Kernel. That kernel is absolutely amazing with LOTS of tweaks, thermal protection, ad-blocker, allows overclocking to 2.8Ghz and much much more. I can't list all the features because they are so many. But there's one thing in particular - it's fast. Dorimanx has created a hybrid kernel from 3.4.xxx and 3.10.y source codes. This is my go-to kernel.
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Thanks a lot for your answers, these are exactly what I was looking for.
I just flashed Dorimanx, and without knowing too much on how to tweak it (more on that later), it is really smooth. I am keeping it!
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I wouldn't mess with the ROM thermal protection found in hidden menu. The gain in speed is most likely negligible but you make your phone more prone to heat damage.
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OK, great to know, it is so often repeated online that I used to have it. It is now off, absolutely no noticeable difference!
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You can install a new kernel without any wipes. Kernel doesn't interfere with ROM as such and you don't have to disable anything. A Kernel is basically what makes software and hardware work together.
I hope this helps!
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Thanks. Flashed perfectly, twice (I had trickster mod on and wasn't sure what it reset at boot, so uninstalled it and re-installed Dorimanx.)
Got 1040/2900 on geekbench even if that is not really what I care about. I had 950/2750 before, not that much noticeable difference in %.
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Ondemand governor is great for smoothness, but you'll have a ton of options if you decide to use dorimanx. I use alucard because it's the sweet spot between amazing battery performance and smoothness.
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OK, we're onto kernel tweaks , I have a few questions:
I discovered that I had STweaks installed, so let's use that.
1) Apart from governor alucard, what other settings should I apply? You mention thermal controls. I expect the defaults of STweaks are OK? If not, what should I do?
2) I found a GPU governor, should I do something there to have better performance?
3) my real goal is to achieve super smoothness when interacting with the phone, I don't play high CPU 3D games or anything like that. I want the phone to react instantly when I press somewhere or open something or press home or recent apps. Any advice? I modified touch boost frequency...
4) if I "reset settings to default" in STweaks, will it reset to Dorimanx' installed default as I just installed the kernel?
5) so that I don't bother anyone anymore, is there a manual about all these tweaks in Dorimanx/STweaks?
Thanks again so much!
Hey bud, I dont know if u found out the answers to these questions but I can share my information with u as I see nobody answered it
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3) I'll tell u the best settings for smoothness but also with great battery life All questions ll be answered in one answer :
Make governers Alucard
Touchboost:1.9
Powesave Switch: Performance mode
Power Efficent Worqueues : Unticked
Cpu Tweaks:ticked
Max Cpu 0,1,2,3 freq:2572800
MAx screen off freq :Max Allowed
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Alucard Hotplug
Hotplug always active
2 cores boost
4 cores max online
2 cores min cpu online
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gpu min 100
max 533
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I/O read ahead 2048
row row
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cron all on
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Logcat Logger always disabled
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And from developer settings of ur ROM, make window animation, transition animation and animation duration scale 0.5x
If u re not dependant on xposed module, then use ARTruntime(faster)
4) Yes, all settings ll be restored to original Dorimanx settings.
5) I havent seen any yet
This is all I can say, let me know about results
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Hey bud, I dont know if u found out the answers to these questions but I can share my information with u as I see nobody answered it
1)
2)
3) I'll tell u the best settings for smoothness but also with great battery life All questions ll be answered in one answer :
Make governers Alucard
Touchboost:1.9
Powesave Switch: Performance mode
Power Efficent Worqueues : Unticked
Cpu Tweaks:ticked
Max Cpu 0,1,2,3 freq:2572800
MAx screen off freq :Max Allowed
________________________-
Alucard Hotplug
Hotplug always active
2 cores boost
4 cores max online
2 cores min cpu online
___________________
gpu min 100
max 533
__________________
I/O read ahead 2048
row row
____________________
cron all on
___________________
Logcat Logger always disabled
_____________________
And from developer settings of ur ROM, make window animation, transition animation and animation duration scale 0.5x
If u re not dependant on xposed module, then use ARTruntime(faster)
4) Yes, all settings ll be restored to original Dorimanx settings.
5) I havent seen any yet
This is all I can say, let me know about results
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Hey there. Thanks a lot for your answers, despite the thread being so old.
I actually learned a lot since i posted that
I use 2x intelliactive, 2x alucard, alicard HP, max freq 2.3, 2.3, 1.9, 1.9, gpu 100-533, i/0 read 1024, dirty tatios 5%/10%
Your settings look interesting, you sure you get great battery life? With 2 cores min? I am going to try
No mate, I said that's settings for u, u said u don't care about battery, so I tried to give u the best settings I can come up with for performance, I myself use 3 cores max, all 2,3 ghz 1 core boost, Alucard on-demand Alucard. 1024. 100 320 GPU. It's pretty smooth with art. But if I wouldn't care about battery, I would do the settings I told u. Hehe
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No mate, I said that's settings for u, u said u don't care about battery, so I tried to give u the best settings I can come up with for performance, I myself use 3 cores max, all 2,3 ghz 1 core boost, Alucard on-demand Alucard. 1024. 100 320 GPU. It's pretty smooth with art. But if I wouldn't care about battery, I would do the settings I told u. Hehe
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no worries!
I learned to care more about battery I realized that it is really smooth anyway. I have a lot of SOT daily (movies, etc) and realized that using performance settings just drains too quickly and is not needed.
I do put animations to x0.5 (transition animation to OFF).
What I am really struggling with is home redraws... A bit better now, but they used to be 1000x times a day.
I would run with ART but it takes a lot more memory, and with my 16 GB I don't have enough memory left when running ART.
Buddy, I am on 16 too. I had 8.5 hours sot with art and cloudy 2.1!! I use nova launcher and I am happier with it can give it a try
Darius129 said:
Buddy, I am on 16 too. I had 8.5 hours sot with art and cloudy 2.1!! I use nova launcher and I am happier with it can give it a try
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I have a few very large apps (navigon, games,...) they take 2-3 GB.
I al so have movies, remaining is only 1.3 GB.
If i want to backup ROM i need to delete obb files, etc. With ART i will have nothing left!
Tried niva but didn't like it. Will try apex again maybe, but i really like the look of G3 home.
Hmm, I see. I didnt know that internal memory and has a thing to do ART, I just made it ART and everything was ok. Launcher is a matter of taste I guess. For lg launcher, I read that there are some hidden settings to lock it in RAM, so that it doesnt redraw that often, maybe u can take a look for that. Hope to share more information for better experience with our phones
@bloof I forgot to tell, I also like how g3 theme looks, and I use a g3 theme with my nova launcher. If pm me ur gmail, can send u my screenshots
What's YOUR Set-Up?
Hello everyone, like most people here on XDA, I enjoy switching between ROMs and Kernels while keeping an eye out for a daily driver that I like best. If you have any other ROM/Kernel combinations that you enjoy and think others might also enjoy, please feel free to share them here and explain why it's awesome!
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This thread is for the Nexus 6P only
Currently I'm running:
Device: Nexus 6P - 32 GB - Aluminum (If you're curious )
ROM: Chroma (11/22) latest with SElinux Enforcing
Kernel: ElementalX (0.08) latest [SElinux Enforcing option ticked.]
Small Cluster - 1555 MHz (stock)
Large Cluster - 2054 MHz (Max)
Govenor - ElementalX
Min. CPU Frequency - 600 MHz
Max. CPU Frequency - 1824 MHz
GPU: Max = 600 MHz / Min = 180 MHz / Governor = msm-adreno-tz <------------- Anyone recommend a different governor? One for performance and the other interactive?
Color Setting Recommendations? (ElementalX App Only)
I/O Scheduler - FiOPS <----------------------- Anyone recommend a different I/O? BatterySaver/Performance/Interactive?
I'm also curious about the color fixes that Kernels purport to solve (washed out blacks? other issues?) and how to apply these fixes if someone can point me in the right direction or provide their own instructions and values for the color options (Everywhere I look just says tune to your liking but I need somewhere to start, and frankly, I don't know where to start)
I'm really enjoying this ROM/Kernel combo but I am having Battery Drain to the likes I've never seen before, which is probably my fault.
I'll attach logs from BetteryBatteryStats as well as the Battery Stats from Stock 6 or so hours after the posting of this thread (for accuracy).
Any 'Standard' or 'Conventional' logs needed to convey insightful information? for BBS or for anything else? Let me know.
Please let me know if you need any other information and perhaps how I can retrieve it for you (kinda noobish, but not extremely bad lol)
I'm certain it's a user issue but I don't know how to find and correct the issues myself, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm running Chroma ROM for some of the simple customizations and its speed (I don't care about Layers [probably cuz I don't know how to use them]).
I'm running ElementalX simply for the Overclock/Underclock CPU options and the advanced color control (once I learn how to use it) but I don't care about any of the gestures, sweep2sleep,
NTFS r/w and exFAT support (no clue what this is), and Option to disable fsync (don't know what this is/does)
Lastly, what I'm looking for out of a ROM/Kernel combo is great battery life and great performance, with some fun features but definitely minimal. So if feel your setup matches these wants, and you don't mind sharing it here with me, as well as others who may be looking for a similar setup, please do so!
I, as well as most others on this forum, would also be happy to help troubleshoot any problems you may be experiencing with your ROM/Kernel combo to the best of our abilities but we cannot guarantee that we will be able to fix your phone and the responsibility of the device lies with you, the user.
Stock rooted rocks for the first 3 months until development picks up, kernel developers make enough changes and rom developers fully implement most features into their roms.
Enjoying Stock Rooted smoothness... for now!
No need to create multiple threads on exact same thing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/roms-kernels-running-t3257280/post64009263
Please stick to one thread.
Thanks! Thread closed.
Darth
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Bit of a general question here, but I am getting some really wacky benchmark scores. They're all over the place and id like to know if any of you guys have found a rom and kernel that just works.
I've tried quite a few custom rom's now both Lollipop and Marshmallow, and they've all offered underwhelming performance (Not much faster than my old 801 soc device).
Albeit for the exception of resurrection remix, of which gave me phenomenal in game performance and AnTuTu scores within the 7700 range. A HUGE improvement over stock and other custom Rom's. Unfortunately Resurrection Remix 6.0 is by far the buggiest rom I've loaded, soft reboots everywhere, no working camera and artifacts.
Any recommendations for a good rom ? or should I be focusing on kernels with say stock Oxygen OS ?
I would say stay on OOS so that you can use all Sensors (FP and LF) and give Boeffla Kernel a try. Gives me amazing performance and pretty good benchmarks if i configure the Kernel to give me max performance (i dont do this often because a Benchmark score says nothing). With a balanced setting on the Kernel you get good Battery life and a good performance for daily use.
Use stock with Boeffla, guaranteed stability and from what others have posted with their tweaks seems best option. Everything else looks too experimental or unstable.
just use kernel auditor and use these settings; govenor-interactive, scheduler-row, readahead-1024, in virtual memory dirty ratio-30, dirty background radio-10, swappiness-10, Z-ram-250, under entrphy read-128, write-256. you will hit over 90,000 on antutu with stock rom. I've used these setting with stock with stock kernel, skydragon and oxyslim. i prefer stock now, i just uninstalled the apps i don't use plus oemkitlog, oneplus telephony, com.codeauroroa.img
But why should you even bother with Z-Ram when you have 4GB RAM in this phone?
Doesnt make any sense for me ...
Scherzengel said:
But why should you even bother with Z-Ram when you have 4GB RAM in this phone?
Doesnt make any sense for me ...
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It is totally pointless in a system with 4GB (even 3) RAM, wouldn't add performance since CPU now has to compress/decompress data on the fly - but what I'm wondering is: does Android have ZRAM by default or is this added? If it's added, lose it. If you were running an emulator this would be a hit.
hello guys, I made the root S7 edge Exynos version, and wanted to know how to set up the most of the interactive governor to improve performance, without too much worse battery, because with the performance governor the performances are excellent but it consumes too. thanks in advance to those who will help me. excuse me for my bad English.
I have to bump this. I am interested too. I installed super stock kernel that came with superman rom. And as I far I saw with synapse. There are tons and tons of possible adjustments. Around 20 or so governors. But some lead my device to be very instable. For instance Hyper I can not recommend. Instant crash and reboot.
As far the default setting is Interactive and it works well. Got like 12 hours with 3 hours Display on time. Performance is a bit lower in the moment as stock. But I have the bfq sqedular running. It's not super for Benchmarks but I hope it's good for video streaming.
i woundering this as well i got galaxy s7 930f running superstock kernel it has a lot of cpu profiles but non bearly works trying to select ,,,Barry allen profile fails ,,,,Intellimm fails,,,smartassv2 fails ,,,,
those that works are only electrodemand ,,, and interactive which as far as i know to close to original profile off the samsung own i think so idk how many tweaks there are in those
the profiles fails when i check A53 profile in synapse and A72 cpu profrile is it only the interactive cpu profile that you can use for those cpus since it says select interactive profile for those cpus ??
kinda confused a bit now .