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For the first few weeks I had my HD the battery life was brilliant. With minor use it'd have high levels like 95+% when I go to bed at night, but the last week or two something has begun really guzzling power from it and I can't figure out what.
I don't think I installed anything new, so I want to find out if there is a way I can easily identify where the power is getting drained so badly. For instance, some days now it is down to about 55% by the middle of the day without even making a call or using any data services etc. I have bluetooth & wifi switched off all the time too!
Is there an app that can identify battery drain in a similar sort of way to cpu/memory use? Or does it normally follow that something using more memory/cpu will be the cause?
Thanks guys!
Cret said:
For the first few weeks I had my HD the battery life was brilliant. With minor use it'd have high levels like 95+% when I go to bed at night, but the last week or two something has begun really guzzling power from it and I can't figure out what.
I don't think I installed anything new, so I want to find out if there is a way I can easily identify where the power is getting drained so badly. For instance, some days now it is down to about 55% by the middle of the day without even making a call or using any data services etc. I have bluetooth & wifi switched off all the time too!
Is there an app that can identify battery drain in a similar sort of way to cpu/memory use? Or does it normally follow that something using more memory/cpu will be the cause?
Thanks guys!
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Try the following task manager and click on CPU Usage at the top. This should help isolate what programs are active
Thanks very much for the reply.
I did look in a task manager I already had and I found that Phonex seemed to be varying but generally using up to 10% cpu just sitting in the background so I have uninstalled it (shame - it's nice).
I'll add in the task manager you've given me and check that, and see how it behaves now PhonEx is gone.....
Thanks very much for the reply.
I did look in a task manager I already had and I found that Phonex seemed to be varying but generally using up to 10% cpu just sitting in the background so I have uninstalled it (shame - it's nice).
I'll add in the task manager you've given me and check that, and see how it behaves now PhonEx is gone.....
Here's an update - I couldn't find anything else that was really using any cpu, and the main culprits using memory seem to be important stuff (I think - shell32.exe & device.exe & cprog.exe) so I doubt I can do anything about them.
Anyway, it wasn't bad last night after removing PhonEx but this morning it had used 10% battery in half an hour without even being used at all!!!
Rebooted and it's stayed on the same battery level now for over an hour but I don't trust it - it seems very erratic and I'm really not sure the best way to find the cause still.
I'd do a hard reset but it'll be a right PITA to get everything back on it again afterwards.
Cret said:
Here's an update - I couldn't find anything else that was really using any cpu, and the main culprits using memory seem to be important stuff (I think - shell32.exe & device.exe & cprog.exe) so I doubt I can do anything about them.
Anyway, it wasn't bad last night after removing PhonEx but this morning it had used 10% battery in half an hour without even being used at all!!!
Rebooted and it's stayed on the same battery level now for over an hour but I don't trust it - it seems very erratic and I'm really not sure the best way to find the cause still.
I'd do a hard reset but it'll be a right PITA to get everything back on it again afterwards.
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I would recommend reading this thread
A number of ideas have been given including using SQTools to identify what is using up the battery.
Good luck and keep me informed
Thanks for the reply again.
Are SKtools/SQtools two different things, or is that just a typo?
Have already got SKtools installed so I'll give it some scrutiny. It's obviously behaving at present though as it's an hour since my earlier post and still on the same battery % level.
Thanks for the link to the other thread anyway. I'll obviously be keeping a close eye on this so I'll advise any findings as they come up.
I've never known anything like it with this battery - no regular pattern sometimes brilliant sometimes awful. Very sensitive to chargers and type - one person reported here that if he charged through usb on computer his battery life went down really quickly afterwards. If he charged through mains battery life was much better. I also just found my charger on my motorbike has a small amount of rust/dirt in it and is causing the device to discharge.
I am not helping but just reaffirming your findings. I did find a programme called BattLog useful to see what programmes were causing high level battery usage. I don't have the link but you can find it here somewhere using search. Another tool for your collection.
Good luck!
Battlog eh? Thanks for the suggestion - will look it up
*edit* here it is - I'll try this tonight, if only as it's quicker than going through the SKtools menus to get to the power usage:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-battlog.html
I just began uninstalling stuff to see if it helps (seems to currently run around 106-111mah drain - no idea what might be considered 'normal' and have seen other posts questioning this but no real answers - yet).
Uninstalled Memmaid, and the wedge 18 tab action screen, and also Singh's 15 tab thingy. Have also turned off Handy Switcher as I had that running from startup. It's still drawing 106mah after all that!
One side effect though after removing those, was the weather applet appeared on S2U2 when I unlocked it - first time it's worked! It did disappear again though so there's still a problem with that too.
I've seen many posts where people blame software they have installed and the developer denies it is the software etc.... I think in the end it comes down to the device/battery or manila/TF3D. I may be wrong of course and will be interested to see how you go with it all.
I think it must be software since I have a lot on there and it was fine for the first few weeks I owned it and then suddenly began losing LOADS of power.
For some reason my data connection is not working now either! Might be time for a hard reset I guess.
If you are getting ~150mah consumption when the unit is in use, then with a standard 1350mah battery the lifetime should be 9 hours per charge.
If your battery dies in 1 day, then the unit is consuming the same amount of power almost all the time, even when it's locked or sleeping and this is not normal, unless you want it this way.
Some software, in particular lock managers and button managers are believed to be causing battery drain as they prevent the device from entering deeper sleep states where power can be conserved.
There's software floating on this forum that enables wi-fi and wave audio drivers to remain active in unattended mode (when your backlight is off) too, battery is drained a lot faster when any of these are installed.
Good points
I doubt there's any way of monitoring what power is being used in standby mode is there?
For instance, would an app be possible so that when sync'd and usb charging turned off the app on your desktop could run the same power monitoring process that you find in the likes of SKtools? That would answer a lot of questions I think!
PowerGuard
I used PowerGuard, when I was troubleshooting my battery problems ... and you can run the monitor and put it in standby mode, backlight off etc. I used to consume ~180maH when on, no calls no bluetooth and ~96mAh when backlight off/standby.
For me the culprits were S2U2 and Enable HSDPA in the phone settings. I cant get 3G cause im in the US, but it was alwys searching for a signal... after disabling those two.. im at 115mAH when on and 33mAh when standby and back to an ~18 hour battery life.
Oh dear, I just made a new thread with the same question really Silly me.
What version of S2U2 are you using? Did you upgrade that recently? I moved up to 1.5 and I think that might be the culprit, but I've uninstalled it and still having poor battery problems.
**EDIT** Okay, so I have Battlog installed, the drain sometimes shows as -330ma, but how do I see what is causing that drain?
My battery was lasting 2 days on the standard rom, using S2U2 and with HSDPA enabled.
I then upgraded to the Davideuck V-1 HP, and changed the radio from 1.09 to 1.12. Again I did have SU2U installed.
The battery then lasted about 6 hours, and the unit shut down before the ending of my day at work. I can only assume that the pda was consuming too much power even when switched off.
After two frustrating days, I gave up last night, and installed Davideuck V6 and changed the radio to 1.10, and now the pda battery is lasting for ages. It's only dropped from 100% to 99% after 5 hours.
OK, I know I should have changed things one step at a time, but I must assume that either the 1.12 radio or the V-1 rom is causing the problem.
I don't think S2U2 is the culprit here. But I do suspect that it might be the V-1 rom, as I believe that some folk have a similar problem with the new Dutty rom too. However, other users of the V-1 rom assure me that they don't have such a problem, so I'm confused!
Hmm, Dutty's 2.0 is using radio 1.09. Maybe I should try 1.10? Where can I get it from?
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Hmm, Dutty's 2.0 is using radio 1.09. Maybe I should try 1.10? Where can I get it from?
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Follow link in my signature below. Has all Radios
AndyCr15 said:
**EDIT** Okay, so I have Battlog installed, the drain sometimes shows as -330ma, but how do I see what is causing that drain?
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There should be for example "Active Application=ThumbcalStart" just above the temp/ma figures in the log file like in this screen shot post 17.
I am guessing 330ma does not sound too excessive for an open application as long as it is not running all the time.
So, idle it's at around 90-100. When I turned it off and S2U2 didn't start, it dropped down to 33 fairly steady. When I locked S2U2 and then turned it off, it stayed around 80, dropped to 50 for a little while and then came back up to 99...
Hi,
I have had this handset for around a month..
I have downloaded about 6 extra apps onto the handset..inc google maps, Microsoft Live applications, live player, and others.
However as the applications comes with plentry of extra memeory through the internal and extrnal surely it is meant for this.
However I have a problem with the battery life. The phone last for around 4 / 5 hours, and then dies !!!
I have ordered a replacement battery from orange, and maybe this will solve the problem.
I have not got the blue toothe on, and made sure the apps in use are shut down and not left open.
Can I have any comments from anyone that may have experienced this problem.
Thanks
Andrew
What apps did you download onto your device? I seem to recall reading something about AEBPlus and mapping the wireless function which drains the battery...perhaps others know of more instances with other apps that might help?
apps downloaded are
Google maps
Google mail via JAVA
Live search ie maps, directions, web, and weather
messenger
windows live
I downloaded other smaller apps, however i have now deleted them, or have tried ( but i'll have to post re this, this is another issue )
Andrew
is it connected to wifi or 3g constantly ?
if so that would suck the batt out
my x1 works for 2 days without charging
because i dont have a constant connection
of those 2 sorts running and only have bluetooth on
when i'm using it
1st thing: Check the activesync settings, if activesync is constantly on then you'll need the fake server fix, so that it won't automatically try to find a connection. Also, MoDaCo NoData is useful in this scenario as you can stop any data connection that you want.
2nd thing: Also check for anything else that may be running in the background. Special things to take notice are programs that may need to run all the time. Like a 3rd party alarm etc...
3rd thing: The charger may be screwed up. I had this with mine, and ended up using my Herald's old one. Try charging your mobile using USB (connected on a pc) and see what happens. If you miraculously get more battery life then it means your charger got borged.
Had similar issues, with the phone barely lasting half a day, and now i finish the day with 50% charge. (Activesync was very responsible for 25% of the battery).
Hope i've helped.
I would suggest a hard reset, don't install ANYTHING and see how long it lasts. You probably just need to see it for 5 or 6 hours. After an overnight charge, I'll not be around 97% after 5 or 6 hours. If it's still draining without anything else installed then it is either your charger or your battery.
Hi all,
Thanks you very much for your replies.
I deleted one of the programs, and stil no sign of extra bettery life.
Then i went with the hard reset, ( bit of pain to re apply my email accounts ) this seems to be having an effect, as this obviosly got rid of all my extra programs.
Once i find out the battery life, I will re apply the programs i had on it, to see which ones zapps the battery power.
I hope it is not google maps, i had a lot of favourites saves on it. !!! blast
Thanks
Andrew
Which ROM are you using?
I get 2 days with ease on Dutty's 2.3 X ROM .
Hi Pinx,
Well i'm very PC lit, no so with the HDC HD,
This is what i've read from the settings about -
CE OS 5.2.20764 (BUILD 20764.1.4.3)
Processsor MSM7201A-528Mhz
Memory 195.83 MB
Expansion slot - 8GB HDSC Card. ( come with orange )
Is the one better what you suggested. ???
is the processor my RAM listed above ?
I must seem so niave !
Testing with a batter logger, my HD typically draws around 275 - 300ma when switched on, but this can go up to 450ma if using extras like wi-fi, gps etc.
When in standby, it is drawing typically 35-50ma (but I can't measure this too accurately (because, er, the device is in standby!).
Charging through the usb cable to my laptop puts in 100ma, and through a mains charger a liitle more at around 150ma.
The battery is 1350ma - do the maths!! When constantly in use (eg when loading and testing the device), the battery is likely to last 2 - 4 hours. When in standby, it can easily last over 36 hours.
On a point of interest, I previously had loaded Davideuck's rom 6.5 v3, along with the 1.12 radio. I found the battery drained really quickly. When I changed to Davideuck rom V6 and 1.10 radio, the battey life improved greatly. Now, was this down to either the radio or the rom, or was it simply down to the fact that I spent a couple of days playing with the HD to test everything out??
Battery life and GPS - strange behaviour
I too have noted extremely fast and seamingly randomized rapid battery drainage.
However, I have found something strange. If I use a any type of program that uses the GPS, the phones battery is draining fast aterwards. And I have made sure that any program/process using the GPS is shut down.
If I after having used the GPS soft reset the phone, battery is not affected almost anything in standby. Without the soft reset, the phone gets warm and battery is discharged very quickly.
Anyone else noticed this behaviour?
It is almost as if the GPS receiver is still running (?) even though all programs are shut down. No processes running in the background remaining from Google Maps, Tomtom, Efficasoft GPS or IGO 8 etc which I have tested with.
BR/
Ampi
Yes I agree with the above post. After using google maps even though I closed it down fully and it does not appear in the active task list but the phone still gets hot and battery drains very very rapidly. If I do a soft reset then the battery returns back to normal and the phone is no longer heating up.
I get about 2.5 days with HSDPA on full time for push email and blue tooth on full time. Only a few calls a day.
If I put wi-fi on, then I have to charge by that evening. Wi-fi off and phone just lasts. Waaaay better than the TyTN 2 was. Happiness!
andrewmpalmer2003 said:
Hi all,
Thanks you very much for your replies.
I deleted one of the programs, and stil no sign of extra bettery life.
Then i went with the hard reset, ( bit of pain to re apply my email accounts ) this seems to be having an effect, as this obviosly got rid of all my extra programs.
Once i find out the battery life, I will re apply the programs i had on it, to see which ones zapps the battery power.
I hope it is not google maps, i had a lot of favourites saves on it. !!! blast
Thanks
Andrew
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Hi Andrew,
Touch HD has the longest battery life of any similar 'phone. See for example
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/137036,mobile-phone-battery-life-htc-vs-iphone-vs-the-rest.aspx.
Either your GPS is staying on after closing Google Maps (soft reset by holding down power button for 3 secs will solve this), or your battery is dud.
Hope this early experience doesn't put you off. After 4 smart phones, this is one of my favourites. You might try deleting Google Maps and replacing with TomTom 7.4. It's a much better program IMHO, and doesn't need to suck data off the net when travelling, but the maps are quite pricey...
Good luck.
Batti may be the problem?
For me Batti (Battery meter program) was the problem.
With this program installed I could hardly get 20% by the end of the working day with light usage.
But now after uninstalling Batti (and installing FInixNOver Battery Icons) I almost never get below 50% even with moderate to heavy usage!
So, my assumption is that Batti drains HD's battery by constantly polling it even when the device is off. At the same time FIxinNOver product only replaces standard icons without interfering into system's polling procedure.
I should also mention that my previous installing/uninstalling/hard-resetting "experiments" did not give any battery life improvement results.
ampi said:
I too have noted extremely fast and seamingly randomized rapid battery drainage.
However, I have found something strange. If I use a any type of program that uses the GPS, the phones battery is draining fast aterwards. And I have made sure that any program/process using the GPS is shut down.
If I after having used the GPS soft reset the phone, battery is not affected almost anything in standby. Without the soft reset, the phone gets warm and battery is discharged very quickly.
Anyone else noticed this behaviour?
It is almost as if the GPS receiver is still running (?) even though all programs are shut down. No processes running in the background remaining from Google Maps, Tomtom, Efficasoft GPS or IGO 8 etc which I have tested with.
BR/
Ampi
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If you notice fast battery drain after using software which uses GPS etc, try using No Data
Handy software which allows you to easily toggle off either Internet, WAP or MMS. When you need to use GPS you can easily switch it on again
Bear with me. If you are an expert on android maybe you can help me out here. First off, I have researched the crap out of this problem and still been unable to fix it, so YES, I did search before making this thread.
I am on a stock, rooted Verizon Galaxy S4. I have been watching my battery consumption carefully via the integrated battery settings menu, battery stats plus and wakelock detector apps. Mainly, there is a program or set of programs that typically is called "Google Services" that according to the integrated battery menu is consuming anywhere between 20-45% of my battery, sometimes more than the screen on time! My battery life is around 48hrs with 10hrs screen time but that is on the massive zerolemon 7500mah battery which I just bought, so I am not sure if that is above, below or just average (i.e. I have no real standard by which to judge).
Like I said I have read probably every thread about this problem with remedies such as; disable location, turn off google now, turn off google maps reporting, uninstall updates for google play/google play services/google framework settings, turn off google sync etc. I have tried them ALL, none seem to work. I have a feeling the issue is perhaps more in depth and above my head.
It gets more complicated. Although the stock android integrated battery menu reports it as using a massive amount of battery, the other two apps I mentioned above do not even report it, or at least not under a name that I regonize (perhaps that categorize it under a different process?). Under them screen time is by far the highest consumer.
So what to make of this? Is it a false report that the stock integrated android battery menu is reporting, and thus something to disregard? I doubt that because there are many other threads out there of people with the same problem and questions I have. But It's also not like my battery drains within hours. For instance, today I have been off the charge for 12.5hrs, with 3hrs and 40min of screen time and have 63% remaining on the 7500mah zerolemon extended battery.
If you can help, please do. If this is indeed a major drain I would really like to fix it.
Gulanowski said:
Bear with me. If you are an expert on android maybe you can help me out here. First off, I have researched the crap out of this problem and still been unable to fix it, so YES, I did search before making this thread.
I am on a stock, rooted Verizon Galaxy S4. I have been watching my battery consumption carefully via the integrated battery settings menu, battery stats plus and wakelock detector apps. Mainly, there is a program or set of programs that typically is called "Google Services" that according to the integrated battery menu is consuming anywhere between 20-45% of my battery, sometimes more than the screen on time! My battery life is around 48hrs with 10hrs screen time but that is on the massive zerolemon 7500mah battery which I just bought, so I am not sure if that is above, below or just average (i.e. I have no real standard by which to judge).
Like I said I have read probably every thread about this problem with remedies such as; disable location, turn off google now, turn off google maps reporting, uninstall updates for google play/google play services/google framework settings, turn off google sync etc. I have tried them ALL, none seem to work. I have a feeling the issue is perhaps more in depth and above my head.
It gets more complicated. Although the stock android integrated battery menu reports it as using a massive amount of battery, the other two apps I mentioned above do not even report it, or at least not under a name that I regonize (perhaps that categorize it under a different process?). Under them screen time is by far the highest consumer.
So what to make of this? Is it a false report that the stock integrated android battery menu is reporting, and thus something to disregard? I doubt that because there are many other threads out there of people with the same problem and questions I have. But It's also not like my battery drains within hours. For instance, today I have been off the charge for 12.5hrs, with 3hrs and 40min of screen time and have 63% remaining on the 7500mah zerolemon extended battery.
If you can help, please do. If this is indeed a major drain I would really like to fix it.
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Did you trie to disable the network location? It works for me.
Moz007 said:
Did you trie to disable the network location? It works for me.
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Yes that seems to work, but it's not really a "fix" as now I cannot use the location feature of many of my apps. Basically traded one problem for another, albeit lesser one.
I'm still trying to figure it out as since last update (MEA firmware) , my phone is heating a lot.
I had this problem with data connection on, I had this problem in airplane mode, but not strangely with having connection to wifi.
I also observed that google services and android system is consuming most of the battery. earlier when I used to get 8-10% consumption in full use in an hour, now, 8-10 % is consumed within 30 mins.
No tweaks are working. Frozen a bunch of apps but the problem is still there.
Just now I've uninstalled fileexpert HD , as "greenify" told me that since last 20 minutes my phone is on, it has taken 250+ wake locks.
I'm charging my battery to full to check if that solves my problem.
will try to disable location services and report back on the results.
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Have the exact same problem, before the latest firmware my phone had awesome battery life, and now the battery goes from 40% to zero in just a few hours without any app running when I'm sleeping... it's horrible. Same problem with my wife's S4 since the latest update... It absolutely sucks.
Hi Guys,
I just got my LG G2 D802. Have a few queries about setting up stuff.
Firstly, what is the PC software you need? Basically I heard its some suit and tool for the phone.
Secondly, I'm trying to install the original 4.3.1 camera apk but its refusing to install.. Do I have to root and flash it or is there no other way??
Thirdly, how does USB OTG work?
Thanks
Sean473
Sean473 said:
Hi Guys,
I just got my LG G2 D802. Have a few queries about setting up stuff.
Firstly, what is the PC software you need? Basically I heard its some suit and tool for the phone.
Secondly, I'm trying to install the original 4.3.1 camera apk but its refusing to install.. Do I have to root and flash it or is there no other way??
Thirdly, how does USB OTG work?
Thanks
Sean473
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If I remember correctly the pc software will auto install when you first connect the phone to your PC
You will have to root your phone and have a custom recovery to install the 4.3.1 camera. You have to copy the zip file over to your phone and flash it using the recovery.
You will need a USB otg cable to connect peripherals such as keyboard, mouse, usb drive. USB dac
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Yup had the proper software... New issue my battery life is dreadful.. got 2.5 hours screen time at 70% brightness and screen has only used 20% of the battery.. Android System has used 35% and Android OS 13% (its caused the phone to stay awake for 4 hours but its stopped now). I have google now enabled but have disabled the location services so that shouldn't be causing issues. Also I've only been using apps and not gaming at all. I have DS Battery Saver to force deepsleep.
Also wakelock detector is posting totally inaccurate stats. Isn't there any other app like it? HELPPPPPPPPPP!
Ok It seems the wakelocks are caused my the alarm_rtc and Power Management service. I've reduced syncing to a minimum and also turned off GPS... Additionally, does anyone know a app like Sony's Stamina Mode where wifi-data is auto off when the screen is off and no app needs it?
Sean473 said:
Ok It seems the wakelocks are caused my the alarm_rtc and Power Management service. I've reduced syncing to a minimum and also turned off GPS... Additionally, does anyone know a app like Sony's Stamina Mode where wifi-data is auto off when the screen is off and no app needs it?
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You shouldn't really need any of those things anymore. My advice is to just use it for a couple of days and see how it goes. Rooting it and freezing as much LG bloat as you can and using Lux to control the display is also a good advice.
WiFi uses minimal power, you can safely leave it on along with GPS and NFC and still make the phone last all day with intense usage (excluding sitting around flashing and modding your phone all day ofcourse )
You should try Better Battery Stats for getting good battery data.
Incep said:
You shouldn't really need any of those things anymore. My advice is to just use it for a couple of days and see how it goes. Rooting it and freezing as much LG bloat as you can and using Lux to control the display is also a good advice.
WiFi uses minimal power, you can safely leave it on along with GPS and NFC and still make the phone last all day with intense usage (excluding sitting around flashing and modding your phone all day ofcourse )
You should try Better Battery Stats for getting good battery data.
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That's exactly what I've used... I' managed to get 4 hours screen time which isn't bad but considering only 20% of my battery was used by the screen, I'm sure it will do much better... I'm charging it now again..
I wouldn't neccecarily interpret the battery stats that way. Whenever you have your screen on, you also increase battery consmption by associated services. I don't think the much-referenced screen on time is a good measurement as general usage pattern.
It also depends if you have WiFi where you are, and if your coverage is good. I use only a third the battery when at university with good LTE coverage and constant wifi than at work, with no wifi and poor reception.
If you don't actually have problems with the battery after removing all the LG cruft in the system, I'd recommend just being content with how it is. If the phone doesn't have enough battery to last two full days, then how much juice it has left after a day with intense usage shouldn't really matter much, providing it does last through it.
Incep said:
I wouldn't neccecarily interpret the battery stats that way. Whenever you have your screen on, you also increase battery consmption by associated services. I don't think the much-referenced screen on time is a good measurement as general usage pattern.
It also depends if you have WiFi where you are, and if your coverage is good. I use only a third the battery when at university with good LTE coverage and constant wifi than at work, with no wifi and poor reception.
If you don't actually have problems with the battery after removing all the LG cruft in the system, I'd recommend just being content with how it is. If the phone doesn't have enough battery to last two full days, then how much juice it has left after a day with intense usage shouldn't really matter much, providing it does last through it.
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Well its much better now with the second recharge... Its about 16% Android System (Can't really do anything about this)... 12% Android OS with most of the wakelocks coming from the damm power management service... Google search was causing quite a bit of drain so turned off google now for now... Even Siri is better and musn't be causing so many damm ****ing wakelocks...
Sean473 said:
Well its much better now with the second recharge... Its about 16% Android System (Can't really do anything about this)... 12% Android OS with most of the wakelocks coming from the damm power management service... Google search was causing quite a bit of drain so turned off google now for now... Even Siri is better and musn't be causing so many damm ****ing wakelocks...
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I have another general question. When you swipe up the home button to access google now and quick memo, is there a way to add more options to that swiping? I've seen a picture on Andoid Authority where you could also access voice mate etc...
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I have another general question. When you swipe up the home button to access google now and quick memo, is there a way to add more options to that swiping? I've seen a picture on Andoid Authority where you could also access voice mate etc...
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Bump anyone???????
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Hi all,
Having just bought a Yotaphone 2, latest model 801 processor and with Lollipop installed, I was impressed with it... lovely screen, sharp response, great display on the back ....until I realised that battery life on the EPD or indeed doing nothing was (and is) terrible.
This somewhat negates the point of having the EPD. Because whether you use the EPD or not, as others have found, the processor seems to be spending 100% of the time doing something like trying to connect to Google headquarters to report my unethical swearwords as I look at the battery level heading south.
To try and make sure the phone was using the least power, I went through all the running apps and services and terminated as many as I could, turned off things like Yotafit tracking, turned off the service that sends all your contact details to the Kremlin, and so on... then, I turned on the Yotaenergy mode and despite that, we are at less than 24 hours with virtually no phone usage at all. Fully 50% of all the energy according to the battery stats is being used by Android System and Android OS processes when the system is in standby. And the historic battery screenshot shows that the processor is active 100% of the time., even though the phone has not been touched. (sorry, not attached, I'll post at some point, but its not very interesting)
So, does anyone have any clues about how this can be fixed? I have seen screenshots where people have shown that their processors are not active the whole time, and I imagine they have Lollipop? I have heard Lollipop has got some kind of bug which means that data connections are live the whole time, not sure if this is related.
(This might explain the sudden appearance of half price devices on eBay around six months after launch in the UK.)
Many thanks in advance!
YotaDevices has acknowledged the problems on Lollipop battery life, which is the reason they won't be shipping devices coming to USA preinstalled with Lollipop, but with KitKat. Now that I've played around with the EPD and created some widgets/applications for it, I can spot many places where things can go wrong in maintaining battery life and still keep things working.
Personally I've been lucky with the battery life on all versions of Android. When I updated to the last version of Lollipop (firmware 1.44), the phone did show poor battery life for hours after the installation was finished, before calming down to the promised 5 days stand by. Are you on the very last firmware? (Settings - about phone - build number)
As a last resort if your device won't settle down, I guess you could roll back to Kitkat, which had a very good battery life for pretty much everyone. You can install it with Yota's flasher tool: ftp://fw.ydevices.com/YotaPhone2/YotaPhoneFlasher/yotaphone2_flasher.exe
Just carefully select your own region and then the last version of KitKat (4.4.3) they offer. As you are rolling back from one major version to another, I would suggest flashing pretty much everything. You will lose your data.
Yota has said that they are working on bringing Lollipop 5.1 or 5.2 to Yotaphone 2. Let's hope that that works better.
Thanks that was very useful. The question is, will Yota do another build ... or build another device? I'm hoping the Y2 has a bit of life left in it yet and they do launch in the US - it can only help the development community!
I reset back to factory/Lollipop last night as it was eating battery so fast I could not believe it, and I am on the latest build 1.44EU (and was before). Since then.. it doesn't seem to be misbehaving so much, but it does seem to insist that the WIFI is on (when it is switched 'off' in the settings) by 'on' I mean the battery usage recorder... I wil take your advice and 'take it slow' for now, but may flash back to Kitkat if necessary. It is a bit tedious having to reinstall all your apps by hand but this seems to be the only way to ensure it is relatively clean.
The screengrabs below show the phone doing nothing at all in Yotaenergy mode - per first post.
ridgemagnet said:
Thanks that was very useful. The question is, will Yota do another build ... or build another device? I'm hoping the Y2 has a bit of life left in it yet and they do launch in the US - it can only help the development community!
I reset back to factory/Lollipop last night as it was eating battery so fast I could not believe it, and I am on the latest build 1.44EU (and was before). Since then.. it doesn't seem to be misbehaving so much, but it does seem to insist that the WIFI is on (when it is switched 'off' in the settings) by 'on' I mean the battery usage recorder... I wil take your advice and 'take it slow' for now, but may flash back to Kitkat if necessary. It is a bit tedious having to reinstall all your apps by hand but this seems to be the only way to ensure it is relatively clean.
The screengrabs below show the phone doing nothing at all in Yotaenergy mode - per first post.
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I am quite confident that they will release updated Lollipop sooner or later. They don't have the resources to piss off all their customers just yet.
Your Wifi still does some scans on its own for Google's location service, even if it's not enabled. You can disable this feature in the advanced wifi settings. But that is not the cause of your battery problem. Basically your device is awake all the time, meaning something is holding a wake lock. And by something I mean one of Yota's EPD compoments, which are counted as part of "Android OS" and "Android System" - your biggest battery hogs. It could be one of the EPD widgets that is misbehaving, or it could be some specific combination of them, or just something out of your control.
You could try removing ALL the widgets from the rear screen from Yotahub, then restart the device, and then let it run for an hour with the screen off. Then check the detailed battery log if the device went to sleep or if it was awake. If it went to sleep, you can try adding widgets back one at a time, and then check again if the device sleeps. Basically all the widgets which update periodically hold a wake lock momentarily (time, battery, calendar, weather etc). Of course if the problem lies on Yota's EPD framework, then this wont help at all.
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I am quite confident that they will release updated Lollipop sooner or later. They don't have the resources to piss off all their customers just yet.
Your Wifi still does some scans on its own for Google's location service, even if it's not enabled. You can disable this feature in the advanced wifi settings. But that is not the cause of your battery problem. Basically your device is awake all the time, meaning something is holding a wake lock. And by something I mean one of Yota's EPD compoments, which are counted as part of "Android OS" and "Android System" - your biggest battery hogs. It could be one of the EPD widgets that is misbehaving, or it could be some specific combination of them, or just something out of your control.
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Agreed, I suspect the YotaFit app going bonkers despite my efforts to kill it.... or the Yotagram service, the thing is, looking at the Yota specific apps, you don't really need them, as you can flip the screen with the Yotamirror, and then use any Android app. Sure it would be nice to have notifications on the EPD, but my main focus for this phone is use in bright daylight, and long battery life, not to actually look at the thing 24x7 so I can respond to emails every 30 seconds.
At this point though I'm just trying to determine how bad the underlying hardware is. The GPS on this phone seems to a bit flaky, as does the basic reception of mobile signal. (And I'm not using a metal bumper.) So, I'm happy to flash back to KitKat 4.4.3 to try and give it the best chance..
So, any clues/links about the Yota flash tool? I've put the phone into USB debug mode, installed the flash tool on my windows 7 desktop, and installed ADB/Fastboot as well, but at this point I'm having a bit of an android driver problem, and ADB can't see the phone so that probably explains why the Flashtool says 'waiting for device' when I fire it up. I will go digging to fix that, but I assume that the Flashtool will do all the stuff like putting the phone into bootloader mode, unlock etc...
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Agreed, I suspect the YotaFit app going bonkers despite my efforts to kill it.... or the Yotagram service, the thing is, looking at the Yota specific apps, you don't really need them, as you can flip the screen with the Yotamirror, and then use any Android app. Sure it would be nice to have notifications on the EPD, but my main focus for this phone is use in bright daylight, and long battery life, not to actually look at the thing 24x7 so I can respond to emails every 30 seconds.
At this point though I'm just trying to determine how bad the underlying hardware is. The GPS on this phone seems to a bit flaky, as does the basic reception of mobile signal. (And I'm not using a metal bumper.) So, I'm happy to flash back to KitKat 4.4.3 to try and give it the best chance..
So, any clues/links about the Yota flash tool? I've put the phone into USB debug mode, installed the flash tool on my windows 7 desktop, and installed ADB/Fastboot as well, but at this point I'm having a bit of an android driver problem, and ADB can't see the phone so that probably explains why the Flashtool says 'waiting for device' when I fire it up. I will go digging to fix that, but I assume that the Flashtool will do all the stuff like putting the phone into bootloader mode, unlock etc...
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The widgets I'm running at the moment without any problems are Time, Mini Calendar, weather, battery, and communications (the small widget which shows phone calls, notifications and sms). And of course my own widget.
The best way to make sure there are no useless services running is to root the device and uninstall them completely, but that's another story.
For the flashtool to detect the device, you need to boot it into download mode manually. The easiest way is to turn off your device and plug the usb in while holding volume down -button. The screen will show "download" or something in very small white text. After that the flashtool should find the device. You probably don't have to flash the user partition (it asks for it separately), i.e. the simulated sdcard section which holds all your photos, documents and music.
Edit. And when you have kitkat installed, the first thing you might want to do is to disable automatic system updates. Otherwise it will nag you about the Lollipop update all the time.
I've been facing similar issues and am considering a downgrade when I have the time. I'm really disappointed in yota and won't be buying their next device.
I have found this thread useful, you may too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/guide-extreme-battery-life-t3095884
thanks gents, oddly, the advice to let the phone 'calm down' seems to be working. I decided not to revert to KitKat (yet), as every day I use the phone the battery life seems to improve. Yesterday it was down to 40%, today 60% after about a days use. I'm thinking a week of running in will give it time to stabilize. I would love to root the phone but I want to use the Good app, and that doesn't run on rooted phones... (shame but I guess that's the flipside of working for a big corporate for you!)
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thanks gents, oddly, the advice to let the phone 'calm down' seems to be working. I decided not to revert to KitKat (yet), as every day I use the phone the battery life seems to improve. Yesterday it was down to 40%, today 60% after about a days use. I'm thinking a week of running in will give it time to stabilize. I would love to root the phone but I want to use the Good app, and that doesn't run on rooted phones... (shame but I guess that's the flipside of working for a big corporate for you!)
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Try putting the battery widget on your epd. If it shows 5 days remaining when you are above 85% and you don't use the phone, then the device works as advertised.
That Good app sounds like a real killjoy. There seems to exist some Xposed modules to disable the root check, but they seemed to be rather finicky to setup and very easy to mess up.
I was suffering from terrible battery life after the lollipop upgrade and the EPD battery widget was never showing much above 1d anymore. After much research and tinkering, it has now improved and I am seeing greater than 3d again. I think the culprits were maybe google fit tracking which I have now turned off and I also de-installed and re-installed the google play services updates which is a tip I saw in an android forum. I also over the last two days have received several yota widget updates which may have also helped. At least for now I am seeing a comfortable day's use again!
I experienced poor battery life out of blue again. I went through all the settings, cleared dalvik-cache and cache partition, tried disabling everything, but nothing helped. It only showed <1 day battery life at 100%.
But then I went to mess around in the developer settings, and when I set the animation scales from 1x to 0.25x and enabled "Force GPU rendering", the battery life returned instantly to 5 days.
Just thought I'd add this to the list of things to test out if someone's experiencing poor battery life. The forced GPU rendering might have some unexpected effects on some software rendering based games.
dont know if this will help but just seen some of the new features of android m "marshmallow" one of which is doze and there is a separate app available on play store for this. i have installed and it has helped battery life !!!
I was going through terrible battery life after Lollipop as well. Suffered, tinkered, tried various things. Eventually I just said screw it, backed everything up and factory reset it from recovery. Since then it seems like it's almost back to it's old self. Obviously having root and using some kernel control apps, greenify and some other things helps it but It will happily do at least a couple of days with little-normal usage. Still don't think it's as good as KitKat but it's not too far off. The EPD really does help spread battery out too.
I did the same thing but a 3 weeks on, the battery is as shocking as ever.
Today, on battery since 0730, now @ 1115 51% and 3hrs left!??
No obvious apps causing battery drain, just google services!
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I did the same thing but a 3 weeks on, the battery is as shocking as ever.
Today, on battery since 0730, now @ 1115 51% and 3hrs left!??
No obvious apps causing battery drain, just google services!
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I have had the phone nearly a week, and these are similar figures I experience. What's the point of the epd if my battery dies by lunch!
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I think it is something with Android 5.0 that is causing the drain issues. I can go anywhere from half a day to a week with good batteyr life and then it will randomly start draining again. Some background activity seems to hold a permanent wakelock and will not let go of it. I am unable to pinpoint what app is creating the wakelock with better battery stats or wakelock detector since there isn't access to kernel wakelocks in either of the apps for our phone. A restart always fixes things though, so I have a tasker script now that lets me know when idle battery drain exceeds a threshold for too long so I know to do a restart, it's not elegant, but my battery life is exponentially better and gives me enough battery life to make it through the day without a recharge and leave the eink screen on all night as a tv remote.
I got a new phone
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I think it is something with Android 5.0 that is causing the drain issues. I can go anywhere from half a day to a week with good batteyr life and then it will randomly start draining again. Some background activity seems to hold a permanent wakelock and will not let go of it. I am unable to pinpoint what app is creating the wakelock with better battery stats or wakelock detector since there isn't access to kernel wakelocks in either of the apps for our phone. A restart always fixes things though, so I have a tasker script now that lets me know when idle battery drain exceeds a threshold for too long so I know to do a restart, it's not elegant, but my battery life is exponentially better and gives me enough battery life to make it through the day without a recharge and leave the eink screen on all night as a tv remote.
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In the end, I got a new phone after my Yotaphone decided to brick itself. Its a Zopo Speed 7, Octacore, dual SIM, nice screen, and does 4G very well in my part of the world. It is also around $200 at time of writing. Its a Chinese phone typical of the genre, Zopo seem to be moderately responsive to bugs compared with Yota... This Zopa phone is running 5.1 Android and I can tell you that Lollipop is not the problem...
That's after charging the phone and leaving it overnight, with the battery saver mode on... not too shabby. Of course it won't actually last 28 days, but this phone is nothing special and it is capable of running without all those services running that the Yota has.
The Yota spent its entire time when I had it trying to contact Moscow with that dodgy 'dictionary app'. What (honestly) is the point of the e-ink display if it doesn't save power...
If you are experiencing "always awake" and wifi always on despite your settings saying otherwise it may be worth going into your advanced wifi settings and changing "wifi frequency band" from "auto" to "2.4 GHz only. I remember reading this tip somewhere else for an Android 5.0 phone that was having battery issues similar to this. I made this change about 24 hours ago and have noticed a dramatic difference in battery drain when the screen is off. When I look at my battery stats I am no longer seeing a solid bar for both wifi and awake. Worth trying.
For what it's worth, I have had fairly light use today, some checking of emails and facebook, 40 mins or so of music via bluetooth (with screen off). Total screen on time of 35 mins. The phone has been off charge since 06:30 this morning. It is now 17:00 and is showing battery of 71% with an estimated 2d and 8h left. Better battery stats show deep sleep of 71% whereas previously it had shown awake at 100%. Far better than I had before.
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If you are experiencing "always awake" and wifi always on despite your settings saying otherwise it may be worth going into your advanced wifi settings and changing "wifi frequency band" from "auto" to "2.4 GHz only. I remember reading this tip somewhere else for an Android 5.0 phone that was having battery issues similar to this. I made this change about 24 hours ago and have noticed a dramatic difference in battery drain when the screen is off. When I look at my battery stats I am no longer seeing a solid bar for both wifi and awake. Worth trying.
For what it's worth, I have had fairly light use today, some checking of emails and facebook, 40 mins or so of music via bluetooth (with screen off). Total screen on time of 35 mins. The phone has been off charge since 06:30 this morning. It is now 17:00 and is showing battery of 71% with an estimated 2d and 8h left. Better battery stats show deep sleep of 71% whereas previously it had shown awake at 100%. Far better than I had before.
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Have you tried using the setting so Wifi is only on while screen is on? (Unless on charge...)
I think I found the issue, at least with my phone.
I was syncing with exchange, and there is a nasty bug with android 5.0 and exchange sync. The sync is taking forever and doesn´t sync everything. Calendar and contacts missing.
Then I removed the ActiveSync connection on my phone and set up the app Nine to sync instead.
After that I got much better battery. This may help for others as well. The phone is just hammering the exchange server all the time and this takes up a lot of power.