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i was wondering, what if i got a USB harddrive, and plugged it into my hermes?
would WM6 even notice its there?
this is assuming i've got a externally powered HDD that uses the normal USBHOST.
i searched "usb harddrive" in the hermes forums and not many things turned up..
If you have one lying around, give it a go?!
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i searched "usb harddrive" in the hermes forums and not many things turned up..
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that might be the clue to your answer..... the usb port in the phone lacks the capability to host an actual usb device, whether the external device is powered or not... But give it a go anyway... i cant think of any harm in trying... unless there is some kind of major power backflow, but that shouldnt happen unless your external device is faulty
the OS may support it, but hardware-wise - i dont think the Hermes supports USB hosting? or does it?
My brain says no...
But the hope in me says yes...
Wondered about this myself before.
Doesnt the HTC have the ability to act as an external UsB drive through the USB port when connected to a PC using the Advanced USB settings. Maybe its just a question of reversing the settings maybe with an added utility or something i have an external hard drive but not converter to convert the full usb to a mini usb
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Wondered about this myself before.
Doesnt the HTC have the ability to act as an external UsB drive through the USB port when connected to a PC using the Advanced USB settings. Maybe its just a question of reversing the settings maybe with an added utility or something i have an external hard drive but not converter to convert the full usb to a mini usb
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having the device mimmick and external drive and plugging in external storage through USB are 2 completly different things... and it all comes down to the USB host... when you plug your phone into your pc your computer then is able to act as a usb host, as it has the power and the drivers necessary for that... the phone itself lacks the abiltiy to be able to become a usb host...
but hey, at least your thinking
So it may be possible to access a USB HDD if we catered for it using a driver of some sort (written by us guys ofcourse). This may even show up in the file manager as something like /Hard_Drive.?
main procesor (and also OS itself) have support for USB host, but for some reason HTS decide to not enable this feature, it was asked many times, but solution doesnt exist yet... I used this functionallity on my old Fujitsu-Siemens LOOX n500 without necesity to install any drivers, or registry hack, after connection device had available after few second. It was WM5 device.
well think about this:
keep a laptop usb HDD in your car, 160GB of music at your command, with TCPMP who needs a ipod?
i've already modded my stock headset cable to have a 1/8" miniplug AND RCA's on it, so i'm set for the output, but my 4GB of microsd cards just don't cut it
so i'm working on tryin' to find a usb mini b male to usb b male cable right now, might just have to solder one up myself-- i'll post to see how it goes.
I think I've seen them for sale at Radioshack and Compusa - might try peaking in there though if you have a bunch of USB cables kicking around probably cheaper to solder
IF you look around on the net somewhere, someone successfully made a wifi hard drive, and i think it was fairly inexpensive... He loaded tons of mp3's and would access them from his phone via wifi.
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/consumer_electronics/DAVE/
How about this?
skunker said:
http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/consumer_electronics/DAVE/
How about this?
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Now I got to get me one of these. So many toys, not enough time.
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Now I got to get me one of these. So many toys, not enough time.
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Looks nice!
I just tried this. And nothing happens. Tried a usb memory key (low power), an external HDD (on its own power supply) and a card reader, none of them did anything.
thanks for the go.. after my weekend spent messing with *nix and tryin' to get into locked up wifi, i was spent.
The Xperia doesn't have host capabilities, but is it possible to get such functions with suitable drivers? Such drivers are discussed in this thread:
http://forum.ppcwarez.org/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=58813
As you can see they work with certain winmo devices. I wasn't able to make them work with my Xperia, but maybe one of you guys would be able to do it. Any other solutions?
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Not sure I'd bother really. What do you need to connect? If it's for storage just get yourself devices that take SD cards, then use MicroSD in adapters, then y ou can easily take it out and put it in the Xperia to copy stuff over.
Well, I guess I want my Xperia to have all sorts of capabilities. Imagine connecting an external DVD-RW drive and burning a couple of disks...... How about that !
I don't think linking to warez sites is within the rules..
if you have to it would be better to stick the relevant text in your post
Um.... the site may be for anything, but the drivers are freeware made by a poster on that site. I don't think it is against the rules, but if it is a mod should take the necessary steps.
The only reason that I could reasonably see for having a USB host to to accept USB pendrives for copying data to the microSD card. I can see 3-4 reasons why it wouldn't work, the primary one being that the USB port won't provide 5v/500mA to power the external peripheral.
Just a idea...
i have an idea which i like to share with You ...Imagine one small box with 4 ordinary aa mignon bateries inside and a card reader inside and a mini usb cable going out from that thing. Ok, now what we have here? Alternative charger for Your Xperia if You need it,some extra backup space for Your data and all we need is Usb host drivers on xperia. Advantages of this stuff is that everyone can make it, its a cheap solution,You can buy a batteries in almost every market and its just a basic idea so You can upgrade it as You need it. The fact is that we now have a power (5v/500ma) which we need for usb host. Please let me know what are You think of this and sorry for my bad English
Hm.... So the Xperia doesn't have a powered USB right? Can't this be changed by a software hack or something or is it hardware related? Is there a device that can be put between the Xperia and the external flash and that provides some form of power, like the one "Mrca" suggested above my post?
I would like posibilyty to conect usb stick.
now and then I trawel by ferry it takes abaur 12 h of doing nothing.
and just watching movies on phone.
so stick is perfect for video or music. my mini 8gb sd is full with other crap.
and by hqaving external power to usb it alsoo charges phone.
so anyone ?!?!?!
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This has allready been discussed here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=480899
and here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411905
You should have a look to those other subforums of devices which feature the same chipset / functions.... ( Touch HD , Touch Pro, Touch Diamond etc etc etc )
hi guys !!!
It would be nice to be able to use standard USB devices on PDAs. Specifically USB thumb drives or usb keyboards etc.
i know this is not possible .but any one know about any trick or adopter like stuff ????
htc shift has usb ports but shift is too costly .
plz think guys!
i found this i want to do the same
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/blogs/30/add_a_usb_port_to_your_handheld
you can use, but the transfer of data will take a loooooooong time...
EDIT: Oh! I thought you were talking about using the device as a USB flash drive...
the idea is really gud but the problem is the amount of the battery that the USB device will use. In my opinion it will drain the batery very fast and that is not acceptable...
Positive side: Now the mobile manufacturing Cos acros the world have agreed to use 3.5 mm jack for audio and mini usb for data and charging related tasks...So i see a great future coming for mobile enhancements..
Who know if there will be USB cable also to connect two or more mobile in a network to share data or play games...
Or the mobiles will themselves be WiFi mini hotspots to play games in a classroom and/or campus
I wonder if the USB on the Nexus One allows me to connect an external hard drive. I'm only talking about data transmission with externally powered USB-devices. The N1 doesn't need to power USB-devices for me to be satisfied.
And if not: could the deficiency possibly be mended software-wise, or is it a limitation of the hardware itself?
Thanks beforehand!
no it cannot be the host. Read this on a google forum, someone posted the link as an answer to a similar question yesterday.
Thank you for your answer, britoso!
But oh, what a pitty!!!
Can't it possibly be fixed by booting with another software driver or something?
What's the point of removing this ability? It seems completely ridiculous. It gains nothing at all to "un-specify" USB host capability:
"Now, I have my files on this USB memory stick and here's the Nexus One. Oh, what's the use. Google didn't care at all about this kind of scenaria..."
Well, let's see what can be done with bulky wireless adapters and stuff like that then, to mend this unnecessary fail of the N1... I probably need to use a PC running Windows and a cable internet in order to have any use at all of the N1. Was this the purpose of this deliberate design "feature"?!?
this feature was not removed, but simply never implemented into the Android OS (afaik). if USB was host that means anything connected to it would have to draw power from the Nexus One's battery. Im sure HTC does not want this, because some things connected to USB can put incredible stress on a battery.
I thought the inability was due to a USB design that will allow charging, but doesn't allow hosting.
(at least that what I gathered about the n900 and why it couldn't act as a host.)
edit: nevermind nokia opted to skip on the go support to get the product out faster.
I don't know if there's a hardware limitation in place, but even if there isn't, the software does not support it.
There's an app for the n900 to add host support in the maemo repository. Don't know if it works though. I've always thought host support was due to the software.
Go here:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=738
Sign in with your google ID. Vote for the feature by clicking the star.
(While you are there, click on "Back to list" and browse for other issues/features you care about and "star" them too...)
Its been accomplished on the Droid... Host mode works, but as there are no drivers, anything that runs over usb will turn on / charge but not connect.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/droid-gets-a-usb-hack-allowing-it-to-control-printers-and-camera/
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Its been accomplished on the Droid... Host mode works, but as there are no drivers, anything that runs over usb will turn on / charge but not connect.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/10/droid-gets-a-usb-hack-allowing-it-to-control-printers-and-camera/
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Thanks for posting this as I saw this on another site and came here to raise awareness. I've heard that someone got a USB keyboard working over USB host. Could someone try this out on their N1?
Hi,
I am having a hard time trying to get a couple of USB devices to work properly on my headunit. One is a USB CarPlay dongle, and the other is an OTA tv tuner. Both USB devices get recognized by the headunit, however in the case of the first, it never gets passed a connection state where the dongle starts talking to the application. In case of the second, the OTA never finds TV stations after doing a complete scan.
USB devices like keyboards, mice, USB flash drives, even a webcam work fine. I contacted the manufacturer and they said they only support USB synchronous which may be the reason these devices can't work properly.
The unit is an Eonon GA7157 with the Allwinner R16 1.6GHz Cortex A7 Quad-Core CPU.
Questions:
Is it possible this is a valid claim?
My unit is rooted, can USB asynchronous be enabled via software?
I was also thinking this could be an OTG wiring issue, what do you think? I say so because the only way I could get the CarPlay dongle to work on my Samsung Tablet A, was with an OTG cable. A straight connector presented the same symptoms.
I am not too experienced with Android, so please be gentle
He was feeding you a load of horse manure.
Either that, or he meant something entirely different by "USB synchronous".
Precisely what do you mean by "get recognized by the headunit"?
What exactly *are* these two devices you are trying to use?
What *drivers* do they use?
Have you confirmed that the kernel is enumerating the devices?
Have you confirmed that the kernel is binding the proper drivers to them?
Have you confirmed that Android knows how to deal with the interfaces that the drivers are providing for these devices?
Have you confirmed that the interface permissions are such that a user application will be able to access it?
An OTG cable does two things;
1) It reverses the gender of the connector,
2) It sends a signal to the phone/tablet/whatever that it should switch its USB port from slave mode to host mode.
Nothing else.
Thanks for the tips. By recognize I mean that Android prompts me to confirm opening the accompanying apps when I plug in these devices to the USB port. E.g. I plug in the CarPlay dongle, Android prompts: do you want use Zbox (App) every time you use this device (Cancel or OK); I press OK and then the App stays in trying to connect mode forever.
The manufacturer has locked down USB debugging. Do you know of any apps (rooted or not) that will give me the information you pointed out?
thanks
It is unlikely that USB debugging is "locked down". More likely, its just because your USB device port is stuck perpetually in "host" mode on the wrong side of a USB hub, and therefore you can't connect to it. Try connecting to adb over IP instead.
I've never heard of any USB device on Android causing any kind of popup. That is very strange. Is it possible that the popup is being created by the program, i.e. "zbox"? Its possible that the system is sending a broadcast upon device enumeration, but the device access permissions are either wrong, or the kernel doesn't have the proper driver available.
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It is unlikely that USB debugging is "locked down". More likely, its just because your USB device port is stuck perpetually in "host" mode on the wrong side of a USB hub, and therefore you can't connect to it. Try connecting to adb over IP instead.
I've never heard of any USB device on Android causing any kind of popup. That is very strange. Is it possible that the popup is being created by the program, i.e. "zbox"? Its possible that the system is sending a broadcast upon device enumeration, but the device access permissions are either wrong, or the kernel doesn't have the proper driver available.
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Thanks again. I am including some pictures that may help explain the problem a little better. As far as the passcode, from what I can tell this unit has 3. One for the Advanced Car Settings, Developer Settings, and USB Debugging. The first 2 I found on another forum and are 123456 and the other 7890. The USB Debugging is an alphanumeric string which I haven't found anywhere, and the manufacturer refuses to release it. When I toggle the USB debugging on, I get prompted to input the passcode. I have tried a few codes but no go, the USB debugging switch goes back to the off position.
The other pictures show the USB port capabilities of the headunit. The unit has 3 USB ports: one is taken by the WiFi module, the other by a dashcam, and the remaining one is open and where I plugged in the CarPlay dongle. There is also another picture of the USB CarPlay dongle device plugged in and listed as Mass Storage Gadget. The dongle does have internal storage of a few MBs.
Finally, I include a picture of the application Zbox. This is the latest version and it starts automatically when I plug in the USB CarPlay dongle.
Well, I made some progress with the password for the USB debugging switch. To summarize:
Car Settings: 123456
Developer Options: 7890
USB Debugging: [email protected]
Now I just need to figure out how to make the USB port work properly. Any ideas? I have USB debugging access and the device is rooted.
Well according to your second-last picture, the device is being detected as UMS (Usb Mass Storage). I.e., like a usb flash disk.
VIDID of 0x0525:0xA4A5 looks to be an e-ink tablet called "Pocketbook Pro 903".
The problem may be that your "carplay dongle" is masquerading as something it isn't.
Well, the VIDID could be the problem; however, this same CarPlay dongle works fine on 2 other Android devices; moreover, a USB OTA tuner behaves the same way, meaning it does not work on the headunit but does on remix and a tablet.
Well guys, this unit is going back to the seller. After playing with it and not getting anywhere with customization and customer service, it’s out the door.
I am getting an xtron octacore px5 unit. It looks like these head units have better developer support.
Do you have the English version of 3.0 you can post?
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Do you have the English version of 3.0 you can post?
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You mean the Zbox firmware and software? if so, pm me, and I'll forward it to you.
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You mean the Zbox firmware and software? if so, pm me, and I'll forward it to you.
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Yea, and actually I was able to use the version on their site. It was al in English when I installed it and I’m now on version 3.0.2
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Yea, and actually I was able to use the version on their site. It was al in English when I installed it and I’m now on version 3.0.2
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Whats new on 3.0.2 compared to 3.0.0? Do you know what was updated?
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Whats new on 3.0.2 compared to 3.0.0? Do you know what was updated?
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According to Google Translate:
1. Optimize U disk upgrade USB recognition rate is higher
2. Optimize the phone connection, mobile phone recognition rate is better
3.carlife in the help page to add download guide
I was able to get it from here: https://translate.google.com/transl...=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://zjinnova.com&edit-text=
bass_rock said:
According to Google Translate:
1. Optimize U disk upgrade USB recognition rate is higher
2. Optimize the phone connection, mobile phone recognition rate is better
3.carlife in the help page to add download guide
I was able to get it from here: https://translate.google.com/transl...=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http://zjinnova.com&edit-text=
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My new Xtrons recognizes the Zbox dongle very quickly. I think it is now as quick as some of the dedicated Alpine and Pioneer units.
As far as software, crisper icons and bypassing the connection window would be nice option. It should only display when a problem occurs. One thing that is flimsy is the USB connector but no software upgrade will fix it. I am considering opening it up and soldering a better connector. Also, heat dissipation is an issue. It needs a heatsink. I may just add one when I crack it open.
I am looking forward to the next iteration with wireless CarPlay. Someday.
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My new Xtrons recognizes the Zbox dongle very quickly. I think it is now as quick as some of the dedicated Alpine and Pioneer units.
As far as software, crisper icons and bypassing the connection window would be nice option. It should only display when a problem occurs. One thing that is flimsy is the USB connector but no software upgrade will fix it. I am considering opening it up and soldering a better connector. Also, heat dissipation is an issue. It needs a heatsink. I may just add one when I crack it open.
I am looking forward to the next iteration with wireless CarPlay. Someday.
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Yea the update definitely enhanced it a lot. I used to have a pioneer and it feels close to the same now.
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Yea the update definitely enhanced it a lot. I used to have a pioneer and it feels close to the same now.
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Prior to 3.0.2, what firmware/software where you running?