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Dead Pixel: To Swap or Not To Swap...

I sold my t-mobile nexus one and bought an AT&T nexus one. It arrived today and I noticed a dead pixel on the lower right side of the screen. What do you think: should I swap it? The biggest thing holding me back is that the swap is a refurb. I just paid for a new phone and would hate to be stuck with one that shows signs of use. I'm looking for opinions. The dead pixel is one of the green subpixels, so it looks like a red pixel on a white background. I probably wouldn't have noticed it but I just had to go looking for them since it's a brand new phone, and now that I found it I don't know if I'll be able to ignore it.
Also, how long do I have to do the swap? 14 days or 1 year?

14 Days here, 30 days in California. GET GOING!
Usually refurbs are done really well, and you won't notice a thing. If you do swap again haha.

x986123 said:
14 Days here, 30 days in California. GET GOING!
Usually refurbs are done really well, and you won't notice a thing. If you do swap again haha.
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Negative.
14 days (30 in California) is for a full refund
365 days for warranty repair
OP: I'd wait unless it's really bad.
Can you take a picture of your N1 with another camera?

My bad, I got it confused with refund, since I just did that. Haha thanks for catching it, I might have worried him.

If it had a dead pixel out of the box, it's DOA (dead on arrival). Call HTC and tell them it's a DOA and that you want a NEW phone. That's what I did and they sent me a brand new one. But you have to do it asap.

uansari1 said:
If it had a dead pixel out of the box, it's DOA (dead on arrival). Call HTC and tell them it's a DOA and that you want a NEW phone. That's what I did and they sent me a brand new one. But you have to do it asap.
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How do you know they gave you a new one? Is it possible it's a refurb that looks as good as new?

Here's some pics using a plain white screen. You'll have to ignore the artifacts. The water spot looking thing is a reflection of the lens aperture of the camera and I don't know what the green spots are. I marked the dead pixel with an arrow.
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maxh said:
How do you know they gave you a new one? Is it possible it's a refurb that looks as good as new?
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When you do a DOA, they send you a whole new phone in the new box with all new accessories... and you send everything you originally got back to them.

Doesn't a screen like this needs atleast 5 dead pixels to get a new screen/phone?
or was it with stuck pixels?

maxh said:
Here's some pics using a plain white screen. You'll have to ignore the artifacts. The water spot looking thing is a reflection of the lens aperture of the camera and I don't know what the green spots are. I marked the dead pixel with an arrow.
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OMG, i would not have spotted it in a million years, .... although when you spot it, you will always keep looking at it and it will be so annoying ... what happened OP? you replaced yours?
I actually read somewhere that you can fix the dead pixels by giving them "massages" (Lol) while rendering blinking colors on the background

xPatriicK said:
Doesn't a screen like this needs atleast 5 dead pixels to get a new screen/phone?
or was it with stuck pixels?
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Not if it had a dead pixel right out of the box. As a general rule, if you're still within the time where you can get a refund on the item, you can typically exchange it as well.

irkan said:
I actually read somewhere that you can fix the dead pixels by giving them "massages" (Lol) while rendering blinking colors on the background
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on capacitive screens? I don't think so

I'm gonna swap it next week. CS told me the only way to get a new one instead of a refurb is to do a DOA return (for which they'll waive the $45 restocking fee; I have 14 days) and buy a new one.
I've been getting significantly worse battery life than I did with my T-mobile nexus and "display" seems to be using most of it. I can't help but wonder if there's a connection...

xPatriicK said:
on capacitive screens? I don't think so
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Not because the screen is capacitive, but because the surface of the screen is glass, not the screen itself. The "flashing" trick by itself does not work on OLED screens AFAIK, only LCD.

coolbho3000 said:
Not because the screen is capacitive, but because the surface of the screen is glass, not the screen itself.
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That's what I meant but I also thought the screen is always glass on capacitive screens

OP, do you wear glasses? If so, who is your eye doctor... I need to get the hookup on the specs that allowed you to spot that small of a detail! lol
I would send it back for a new one, or at least try. I'm picky about that crap... well, I used to be, until I became poor and couldn't afford to worry about the little things *sigh*

I returned two nexus one's (nexi?) for dead pixel within the first month. I called HTC directly.
THe first one was painless. I had a new phone the next day. The 2nd replacement was a pain in the ass.
It takes anywhere from 2-3 weeks for your initial phone to show up as received in HTC's system.

jerhoyet said:
OP, do you wear glasses? If so, who is your eye doctor... I need to get the hookup on the specs that allowed you to spot that small of a detail! lol
I would send it back for a new one, or at least try. I'm picky about that crap... well, I used to be, until I became poor and couldn't afford to worry about the little things *sigh*
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Heh, no I don't wear glasses. It's actually a little more noticeable in person, but only when you know to look for it. The camera didn't pick it up that well and when I resized the pic (it was huge!) the visibility went down some more. Maybe I should've never looked for dead pixels; I just didn't want to find one a couple months down the line and end up disappointed.

maxh said:
I just didn't want to find one a couple months down the line and end up disappointed.
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Why?
Who cares?
You could have replaced it at 11 months and 29 days. I don't see the rush.

Paul22000 said:
Why?
Who cares?
You could have replaced it at 11 months and 29 days. I don't see the rush.
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Not if it's rooted...

Screen burn in

Within 3 days of owning the note i have burn in already how is this possible. when the brightness is on the lowest setting and your on a screen with a black or grey background you can easily see back scribble marks all over from when i was in s note just drawing lines everywhere playing around. Its not like i drew them and just left the screen on for a day to burn it in either
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Can you send the picture???
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Princetan said:
Can you send the picture???
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this is the best picture i could get. you really need to see it with your eyes, but u can tell there were scribble marks from when i was drawing
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Black cannot burn in....
Pictures or it didn't happen! :silly:

system.img said:
Black cannot burn in....
Pictures or it didn't happen! :silly:
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idk what color it was but it is burnt into my screen and picture is above

al52025 said:
idk what color it was but it is burnt into my screen and picture is above
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Hmm...Very wierd....
Can you take a picture with the screen in white color?
That would really show the burn in properly.

maybe you have screen with defect, im using for one month and no problems so far. Take to samsung service

system.img said:
Hmm...Very wierd....
Can you take a picture with the screen in white color?
That would really show the burn in properly.
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no it doesnt show up on white at all just a darker color like black or greyish

EdgaBimbam said:
maybe you have screen with defect, im using for one month and no problems so far. Take to samsung service
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i cant samsung are douches and dont support international devices

al52025 said:
i cant samsung are douches and dont support international devices
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The best thing you can do is go to the service center or return the phone where you bought it.
Samsung Service is really good and they replaced my hard bricked Galaxy Ace's motherboard for free under warranty.
I dont know what you mean by "They don't support International devices"

system.img said:
The best thing you can do is go to the service center or return the phone where you bought it.
Samsung Service is really good and they replaced my hard bricked Galaxy Ace's motherboard for free under warranty.
I dont know what you mean by "They don't support International devices"
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i dont have a samsung service center near me. i called samsung to ask them and he said since i bought an international version they dont support it

al52025 said:
i dont have a samsung service center near me. i called samsung to ask them and he said since i bought an international version they dont support it
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Hmmm strange as i know samsung gives one year international warranty. Never had any problems with samsung service, they changed even 3 times headphones for new ones.
Take your phone then to seller who sold it

EdgaBimbam said:
Hmmm strange as i know samsung gives one year international warranty. Never had any problems with samsung service, they changed even 3 times headphones for new ones.
Take your phone then to seller who sold it
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i asked amazon but i dont want to return it and be without a phones for 2 weeks. they told me i should buy another one then return this one for a refund. the notes on amazon are not fullfilled by amazon now so if i get one through another dealer and theres a problem i just dont feel like dealing with them for a refund

Well, even if you returned it to Samsung for repair, you'd be without it for a few weeks, so your choice really is quite simple.
Put up with it, or return it.

R U sure its burn in..its look like "screen bleeding" to me..
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daft suggestion but have you tried cleaning the screen?
it doesn't "burn" like a crt so you shouldn't see it when dark if there was a problem.
could it just be grease marks?

opentoideas said:
daft suggestion but have you tried cleaning the screen?
it doesn't "burn" like a crt so you shouldn't see it when dark if there was a problem.
could it just be grease marks?
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yeah its not the screen its clean as could be. i downloaded a screen burn-in tool and when it cycles through the colors and gets to red. u can see where the marks are but there blurry almost like they were bleeding. but all other colors u cant see the marks. but if i open up a black screen and turn the brightness down u can clearly see the black marks from when i was just scribbling lines on s-note. its def in the screen its not marks its burnt in

heres another pictures taken in the dark with a greyish background with the lowest brightness

Don't worry about the black dots, because that's a common problem for amoled screens. I also have it on my s3 that I have changed 4 times because of this problem. But sometime you can be a lucky and get one without this issue.

lopman said:
Don't worry about the black dots, because that's a common problem for amoled screens. I also have it on my s3 that I have changed 4 times
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there not dots there entire lines.

[UPDATE] How to get your your N4 screen repaired in Austria

UPDATE:
After doing some calls today and figuring things out, here's a little guide for how to get your Nexus 4 repaired in Austria after smashing your screen.
1. Since smashing/damaging your screen is not covered by warranty (except for when it destroys itself) you can skip calling LG. They're not taking the phones back. Even worse, the first LG representative told me to contact Google for the matter, which would somehow be understandable if it would be a case of warranty...but definitely not when you're willing to pay for fixing the phone. The second LG customer supporter then forwarded me to the company Mobiletouch in Vienna.
2. The people at mobiletouch are an authorized service company for LG. Fixing your phone there will not void your warranty (this was confirmed by LG and Mobiletouch). It's probably not a mistake to give them a call or send them a E-Mail before sending the phone in for repair, however it doesn't seem to be required.
So, what is it going to cost? According to mobiletouch, the screen replacement will cost you between 100-120€s which seems fair to me.
Maybe this will help someone
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Hey guys,
i just broke my n4 screen (technically the glass is fine but the screen is flickering and looking weirdly washed out) and will have to send it in for repair. Not sure how this will work out in Austria. Has anyone had a similar experience and can give me some advice on how much it will cost?
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THe last post on this page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2118778&page=85

http://www.etradesupply.com/oem-lg-nexus-4-e960-lcd-screen-and-digitizer-assembly.html

opticaldh said:
THe last post on this page
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2118778&page=85
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http://www.etradesupply.com/oem-lg-nexus-4-e960-lcd-screen-and-digitizer-assembly.html
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Thanks, I'm more interested in the first option, especially since it might give me back the normal warranty. But yeah, if it's getting too expensive I might give it a try to fix it myself.

I'm getting it fixed here in Slovenia for 95€. If I bought it directly from the importer, that would cost me 80€ + warranty void.
http://www.vamatrade.com, the shipping costs from Austria should be miniscule...

0rigin said:
I'm getting it fixed here in Slovenia for 95€. If I bought it directly from the importer, that would cost me 80€ + warranty void.
http://www.vamatrade.com, the shipping costs from Austria should be miniscule...
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unfortunately i don't understand too much on this website, but I'll try to figure things out and have a look. thanks!

brittonberkan said:
Hey guys,
i just broke my n4 screen (technically the glass is fine but the screen is flickering and looking weirdly washed out) and will have to send it in for repair. Not sure how this will work out in Austria. Has anyone had a similar experience and can give me some advice on how much it will cost?
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Are you sure the screen is actually broken (if the glass is fine)? Perhaps you flashed something that set some weird screen color/gamma calibrations that's causing what you see?

halluci293 said:
Are you sure the screen is actually broken (if the glass is fine)? Perhaps you flashed something that set some weird screen color/gamma calibrations that's causing what you see?
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Well that's what I'm finding strange as well, the screen is fine except for weird vertical lines that appear everywhere AND the resolution is definitely lower than before. Maybe it's the GPU that has taken the hit?
EDIT: or maybe the connection between screen&rest of the device...i don't get it

brittonberkan said:
Well that's what I'm finding strange as well, the screen is fine except for weird vertical lines that appear everywhere AND the resolution is definitely lower than before. Maybe it's the GPU that has taken the hit?
EDIT: or maybe the connection between screen&rest of the device...i don't get it
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Take pictures please :victory:

brittonberkan said:
Well that's what I'm finding strange as well, the screen is fine except for weird vertical lines that appear everywhere AND the resolution is definitely lower than before. Maybe it's the GPU that has taken the hit?
EDIT: or maybe the connection between screen&rest of the device...i don't get it
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Yeah, I'd say GPU. Flash stock&unroot and get it warranty repaired. They should repair it if your phone has no misuse marks and hasn't been in contact with water..

opticaldh said:
Take pictures please :victory:
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Here are some pictures. What do you think? the first picture shows the strange lines that show up, and the permanent line on the very left of the screen. the second video shows the poor resolution the screen all of a sudden has....
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I think it is your hardware, GPU or your screen, just in my opinion. Anyway, before you send it back to Google, you have to flash stock, unroot and lock the bootloader again. I dont know if they have repair service (receive your phone, fix it then send it back). For me, I used RMA (they sent me a phone first, then I sent my phone back to them).
Sorry for not helping you anything

So, after making quite a few calls today i updated the post on how to get your N4 fixed in austria.

Top side of the screen going darker / banding / burn-ins

First of all, let me say that prior to reaching the decision to open this thread, I did some quite extensive research on what I am going to talk about, but only found references to the smearing thing.
So, the problem, as quick as possible...
Do you use Tapatalk? I'm sure many of you do. You know how it's got a dark gray background, right? Well... that dark gray background... look closely. The bottom portion of the screen is going to be gray (actual gray!), while, as you go toward the top side, you'll see the color turning into a purple hue... :/
Same thing can be observed in the inverted version of Play Store (such as the one included in SlimKat) which has the same background as Tapatalk - dark gray.
I think that the top side of the screen is now displaying gray as darker purple because of the CPU (it's right there, heating the display all the time).
Anyone else experiencing issues like this one?

Thats normal with super amoled display.. I bought s4 recently and got this same issue and also some horizontal and vertical lines in the display which are only visible on low brightness.. I asked for replacement and after my phone replaced twice I got twice new phone with same issue.. I have also searched over net about this isuue and this problem is common in super amoled display.. so just make ur brightness more or equal to 50% and those issues will get vanished..
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coolkoushik07 said:
Thats normal with super amoled display.. I bought s4 recently and got this same issue and also some horizontal and vertical lines in the display which are only visible on low brightness.. I asked for replacement and after my phone replaced twice I got twice new phone with same issue.. I have also searched over net about this isuue and this problem is common in super amoled display.. so just make ur brightness more or equal to 50% and those issues will get vanished..
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I know it is a common issue with Super AMOLED displays. Having owned the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and Galaxy Note 2, I'm well aware of it. Just figured they have figured it out and made the displays much better in the Galaxy S4. Truth be told, I've owned this S4 for almost 8 months now, so it's done its job, lol.

8 months? its still covered by samsungs' one year warranty.

TRusselo said:
8 months? its still covered by samsungs' one year warranty.
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Yeah but I don't have one...

Knox?
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TRusselo said:
Knox?
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No. I'm on the old MGA bootloader, so no Knox. I haven't bought this phone from a retail store, but from a guy, who... RIGHT... he said he has a friend in Samsung store so it can act as a warranty. That was 7 months ago, though. Anyway, will give that a shot. Regardless, hope the issue I'm having doesn't spread and become worse!

Formhault said:
I know it is a common issue with Super AMOLED displays. Having owned the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and Galaxy Note 2, I'm well aware of it. Just figured they have figured it out and made the displays much better in the Galaxy S4. Truth be told, I've owned this S4 for almost 8 months now, so it's done its job, lol.
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So u got the issue after using it for 8 months?? When u bought ur phone, ur phone was free from this issue??
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coolkoushik07 said:
So u got the issue after using it for 8 months?? When u bought ur phone, ur phone was free from this issue??
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Yea, the screen was next to perfect when I bought it - if you disregard the white color being generally inconsistent across the entire screen, which is the case for almost every AMOLED display out there (to some extent). But the gray color was the same.
To be clear, my device is a I9505, not I9500. I hear there are some differences in screens between the two models, with the I9500 having a slightly warmer screen.
@coolkoushik07, @TRusselo... Are your screens acting up, too?

I have had a samsung captivate for a year and a half, an S3 for 8 months, and now a S4 for about as long, with never one screen issue (aside from dropping it)

TRusselo said:
I have had a samsung captivate for a year and a half, an S3 for 8 months, and now a S4 for about as long, with never one screen issue (aside from dropping it)
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I'm assuming you did check thoroughly. Not like other people I know do, like, say, my girlfriend (glances quickly at the screen while in Chrome, observes nothing, thinks I'm crazy) :silly:

Formhault said:
I'm assuming you did check thoroughly. Not like other people I know do, like, say, my girlfriend (glances quickly at the screen while in Chrome, observes nothing, thinks I'm crazy) :silly:
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No. I'm just like your girlfriend....
Gaw...

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Retired Moderator and Recognized Developer?
No. I'm just like your girlfriend....
Gaw...
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I saw that and wanted to edit the post later to cut that out. Forgot...

Dark blotches in low brightness

I've just bought this phone yesterday. I've noticed that there are black blotches at the screen (on whole status bar and upper left part of the screen) when viewing dark gray backgrounds at low brightness. Is this normal? This is my first Oneplus phone and also my first phone that has OLED screen.
Edit: I've been looking into it and reading some post and it turns out that this is common on OLED display a couple of years ago. Is it still common with OLED today?
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Btw, i have 8/128 midnight black variant

Anyone that is also having this issue?

Hmm not normal. Could it be the stock screen protector stained?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yota.screentest
Try this app and see if it happens on all colors.
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dermotti said:
Hmm not normal. Could it be the stock screen protector stained?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yota.screentest
Try this app and see if it happens on all colors.
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I've tested it before posting. It's only noticeable with dark gray at 5% brightness. I haven't tested it with other dark colors. I'll try to post an image tonight.

I had alot of issues with grey in lowlight in alot of my old samsungs. Usualy it was pinkish blotches tho.
I dont notice any on my 6t
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dermotti said:
I had alot of issues with grey in lowlight in alot of my old samsungs. Usualy it was pinkish blotches tho.
I dont notice any on my 6t
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Even in completely dark room with lowest brightness?

Are you just talking about the phone when the screen is off and you can see light reflecting off it and notice dark kind of blotches on the screen in places
I did notice something like this last week but put it down to condensation or something similar.
I still have the factory supplied screen protector on so perhaps that's got something to do with it.
Would hate to think it's some kind of damage or burn in or something but doubt that,phones only 2 weeks old

manus31 said:
Are you just talking about the phone when the screen is off and you can see light reflecting off it and notice dark kind of blotches on the screen in places
I did notice something like this last week but put it down to condensation or something similar.
I still have the factory supplied screen protector on so perhaps that's got something to do with it.
Would hate to think it's some kind of damage or burn in or something but doubt that,phones only 2 weeks old
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No the screen is on and the brightness is low and you're viewing dark grey. here's a shot of what I'm talking about
https://imgur.com/a/Se6GnAR

noobAKO said:
No the screen is on and the brightness is low and you're viewing dark grey. here's a shot of what I'm talking about
https://imgur.com/a/Se6GnAR
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Not seeing this problem. I have black/grey wallpaper and it looks great

manus31 said:
Not seeing this problem. I have black/grey wallpaper and it looks great
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Okay thanks! I'm going to RMA it

noobAKO said:
I've just bought this phone yesterday. I've noticed that there are black blotches at the screen (on whole status bar and upper left part of the screen) when viewing dark gray backgrounds at low brightness. Is this normal? This is my first Oneplus phone and also my first phone that has OLED screen.
Edit: I've been looking into it and reading some post and it turns out that this is common on OLED display a couple of years ago. Is it still common with OLED today?
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It 's the third oneplus 6t that change for this problem and all those I could test are the same including the last changed 2 days ago'.e' a defect of the amoled of all Oneplus, but also Huawei, for example the Mate 10 Pro. Who did not notice was not careful enough, because they certainly had the same problem. Do not worry you can replace it as many times as you want but it will never be perfect, I suggest you keep what you have, because you could get worse, you have to just learn to live with it.

trxjam said:
It 's the third oneplus 6t that change for this problem and all those I could test are the same including the last changed 2 days ago'.e' a defect of the amoled of all Oneplus, but also Huawei, for example the Mate 10 Pro. Who did not notice was not careful enough, because they certainly had the same problem. Do not worry you can replace it as many times as you want but it will never be perfect, I suggest you keep what you have, because you could get worse, you have to just learn to live with it.
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Aw. I was waiting for someone to confirm this. I knew that this was a problem of amoled a few years ago. I've looked everywhere and I can't find recent articles or post about this for amoled so I assumed that it should not exhibit this issue at this day. Sucks that I have to read your post after I sent it for exchange.

trxjam said:
It 's the third oneplus 6t that change for this problem and all those I could test are the same including the last changed 2 days ago'.e' a defect of the amoled of all Oneplus, but also Huawei, for example the Mate 10 Pro. Who did not notice was not careful enough, because they certainly had the same problem. Do not worry you can replace it as many times as you want but it will never be perfect, I suggest you keep what you have, because you could get worse, you have to just learn to live with it.
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Did you get worse when you exchanged yours?

I have a similar issue. For me in low brightness with grey background or in those screen test apps I have a dark stripe centered from top to bottom and some brighter stripes left and right of the dark one.
I think I just have to live with it as it's in low brightness only.

noobAKO said:
Did you get worse when you exchanged yours?
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the last one I changed has the only problem .. just from another part of the screen. If I knew I would not have made these changes.

trxjam said:
the last one I changed has the only problem .. just from another part of the screen. If I knew I would not have made these changes.
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So your first device does not have this issue?

There are good ones out there like mine. Though you need to get lucky to get a really good one. There's always a risk you will get the issue but amoled screens are better overall than a few years ago.
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trxjam said:
the last one I changed has the only problem .. just from another part of the screen. If I knew I would not have made these changes.
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dannejanne said:
There are good ones out there like mine. Though you need to get lucky to get a really good one. There's always a risk you will get the issue but amoled screens are better overall than a few years ago.
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I RMA mine. Hopefully I get a new one without this issue

noobAKO said:
I RMA mine. Hopefully I get a new one without this issue
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I bought OP6T in a chain of stores .. I changed three devices and three new ones all had the defect somewhere, you could also do RMA infinite, the problem will recur. The image posted before the other user, probably is not has been tested with all colors. For example, one of the 3 my devices does it with green, another one was gray. So you can be sure that the next device that will give you will still have the defect. even if you probably will not notice it. do RMA because the Oneplus displays are of mediocre quality.