This phone is starting to show its age. Eventually it will get too slow and/or the battery will degrade too much.
Has started looking at getting a new phone? The only other similar phone I can find at this size is the XZ1.
However I've been getting tired of Sony's poor camera drivers. It would also be nice to be able to record a 4K video longer than 2min in a warm environment. Plus I'd like an OLED screen in my next phone. Unfortunately the smallest phone I can find that meets all my requirements is almost an inch bigger.
I'm only thinking than my next will be a 5 inch screen but without frames because the market tendence.
But nothing more than 5.5" x 3" phone measures.
I agree. I think I'll keep using this phone at least through the end of this year. At that time, I will likely be forced to a larger phone just because there is nothing out there in a small size. Definitely something with a good camera HW AND SW. And something that is actually capable of record 4K video for more than a minute in warm weather without cropping down the video.
Who knows, maybe someone will go out on a limb and put out a phone that will fit in your hand. I think the fact that phone manufacturers have had to add features for "one-handed mode" that resize your phone so the rest of the screen is unusable so that you can reach the buttons or the various products that stick something to the back of your phone so you can securely hold the phone with one hand shows that there exists a market for a phone that you can use with one hand.
Xperia XZ2 compact.
But sadly i need fm radio and dual sim for my next phone. Both are absent in xz2 compact
If anyone finds a good alternative be sure to let us know
Would actually consider the XZ2 Compact if the camera on Z5 Compact wasnt such a big dissapointment, afraid it will be the same on the XZ2. I remember reading the specs and reviews about the Z5 camera being great, 23MP and all, reality was a whole different story...
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I agree! I want a phone that fits in one hand and in my girl-size pockets! The Sony XZ2 is even bigger. And again (!) no radio! The Z5c seems to be the last decently spec'd small smartphone ... I'm about to buy it for this reason. I mention I tried looking on aliexpress and not sure how great it would work but there's a VKWorld T2 Plus phone that looks like it may be worth checking out. It's thicker but length is decent and think may still fit the pocket! It's dual sim with independent micro SD, and dual screen! It's a flip-phone!! Remember how we used to be able to text without looking at your phone because you could just tap the buttons?!?! So the outside screen is touch, the inside one isn't and is controlled via the buttons... have a look.
What about Nokia 8 Sirocco ?
I also like the Z5c for the same reason, because it fits perfectly in one hand and is very powerful for it`s size. But i also think about upgrading and the best i found so far is this Nokia. The Nokia 8 (the previous version) was compared to Pixel 2 on most forums as for hardware with only drawbacks in the software category. So i think the sirocco version would be much better and although 0,9 Inch bigger it has almost no bezels and screen curved....
What do you think? Also i got my wife a Huawey P10, and it is actually quite good and not that big (5.1 inch) but i do not want same phone as my wife )))
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I found out that it has lunched the XZ2 compact.
It is not as good looking as the Nokia 8 Sirocco but ...... i like it
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.... I remember reading the specs and reviews about the Z5 camera being great, 23MP and all, reality was a whole different story...
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Yeah, I remember reading reviews with statements like "since we assume this will be fixed with future software updates". I've learned the hard way to never believe those words.
It's sad that my 10yr old phone I had before the Z5 gets better reception (including GPS) and can sometimes take better photos.
Cameras on xz1 compact and xz2 compact are really one level better than z5 compact.
Shooting 4K video problem - it was because of 810 chip problems, not because of the camera.
So I think I've finally had enough with this phone. On my vacations/trips, when I really need the phone to last, I have to carry a secondary battery with me, keep the phone in airplane mode most of the time, and be very careful to get it to last through the day (and not strand me somewhere with no google maps).
Right now, the smallest phone that I can find (with 3.5mm jack, microsd), is the Samsung Galaexy s10e or A40.
Have any of you found any other phones possibilities?
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So I think I've finally had enough with this phone. On my vacations/trips, when I really need the phone to last, I have to carry a secondary battery with me, keep the phone in airplane mode most of the time, and be very careful to get it to last through the day (and not strand me somewhere with no google maps).
Right now, the smallest phone that I can find (with 3.5mm jack, microsd), is the Samsung Galaexy s10e or A40.
Have any of you found any other phones possibilities?
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I looked at both A40 and S10e in the store. Bought S10e after testing the camera on both. Been using it for 1 month, no problems so far. Not any custom roms available yet, but I imagine S10e will have a larger chance of getting custom roms than A40 because of popularity.
Why is no one mentioning xz1 compact?
I bought an XZ1 Compact as a replacement and I'm very happy with it. It's a lot faster than Z5C (and Z5C was already fast enough for me), and it has a lot of custom ROMs. Finally I can use LineageOS 16 on my phone, I was hoping it would be on Z5C too eventually but everybody seems to have abandoned this phone, and so did I. Z5C a great phone, but it's useless if it has no ROMs in development. So no regrets here.
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Why is no one mentioning xz1 compact?
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Uh, maybe because as of July 2019 it's nowhere near being readily available? Even the second-hand market for XZ1c is super-dry.
If you know this to be the case otherwise, then please: point us to your source for excellent-condition XZ1c. No, seriously: I am honestly looking for one (in black) and they are pretty much impossible to find, so any leads would genuinely be appreciated. I keep hoping I'll stumble upon an online retailer that still has a stash of these in new-old-stock condition for a reasonable price...
-- Nathan
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Uh, maybe because as of July 2019 it's nowhere near being readily available? Even the second-hand market for XZ1c is super-dry.
If you know this to be the case otherwise, then please: point us to your source for excellent-condition XZ1c. No, seriously: I am honestly looking for one (in black) and they are pretty much impossible to find, so any leads would genuinely be appreciated. I keep hoping I'll stumble upon an online retailer that still has a stash of these in new-old-stock condition for a reasonable price...
-- Nathan
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Where do you live?
I'm in Italy where it's available on amazon and you can easly find it at stores.
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Where do you live?
I'm in Italy where it's available on amazon and you can easly find it at stores.
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Lucky you. I'm in the U.S. I imagine this probably has something to do with it. I'm not sure if this is an *accurate* perception, but my perception nonetheless is that as soon as XZ2c was introduced to the market, XZ1c completely disappeared from all shelves -- both physical and virtual -- over here.
-- Nathan
Still very happy with my Z5C, but looking for replacements is a total guessing game, and there's nothing new that even compares with the small form-factor.
I still use the Z5 for everything (on standard OS) and although it's a little bloated with the larger apps (I had to clear off some unused apps recently), it still works very well.
I can't even find a 'new' XZ1C which appears to be the most comparable 'newer' unit.
Have to say I'm tempted by a CAT of some sort, simply for the ruggedness, but they're all over 5" screens. I'm actually surprised that CAT don't do a smaller form factor.
How about the new unihertz jelly 2
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Aaaah, it's so cute! But Jeez! Only 2.45" display? Rather not.
I can strongly support the XZ1c as a replacement for the Z5c. Did this myself in summer 2019 and am very happy with it. Don't know about the XZ2c, though: It's got almost the same measurements but has this bulky back which I don't really like.
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I've had the XZ2 compact. I've lost it into the water so I'm back at my Z5c. Yes I know it's waterproof but it's a bit of a struggle to get it back out of a channel 5 meters deep.
The camera is indeed better, especially at low light situations, and yes, while it still has an IPS panel, colors are quite vibrant.
I noticed I was really happy with the smaller size of the Z5c, and I also like the fingerprint sensor being at the side, combined with the power button. I do miss the 960fps video shooting ability despite the fragments are really short.
I'm surprised I don't really miss the higher resolution of the display, which was the reason not to go for the XZ1c, so now that's out of the way I guess I'll be looking for a used XZ1c. I can't find any other reasonable phone with the same size. Also I'm quite happy with Sony's decision to keep the dedicated shutter button, which no other brand has nowadays.
I would almost go for a Palm Palm, but at about € 200 that's a bit too much to spend for a toy.
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It is not really that more expensive than the Nexus 5 and tbh I'm getting sick of all these giant phones and want something smaller.
1. Do they have that stupid screen protector thing on that previous phones had? My problem is when you took it off previous Xperia phones, there was no anti finger print layer on the glass.
2. The camera sensor is 1/2.3 which apart from some of the Nokia's is the largest sensor out there, is the camera good or is Sony's Software crap?
3. Is it good overall?
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It is not really that more expensive than the Nexus 5 and tbh I'm getting sick of all these giant phones and want something smaller.
1. Do they have that stupid screen protector thing on that previous phones had? My problem is when you took it off previous Xperia phones, there was no anti finger print layer on the glass.
2. The camera sensor is 1/2.3 which apart from some of the Nokia's is the largest sensor out there, is the camera good or is Sony's Software crap?
3. Is it good overall?
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1. It does have a screen protector.
2 . The camera is absolutely amazing, but the software on stock 4.3 sucks. It's nearly impossible to record a video in focus for longer than 2 seconds. My camera results have been significantly better on CM 11. I can take pictures from large distances, crop them, and they still look sharp.
3. Overall quality is excellent. I've come from many iterations of Samsung phones and can tell you that not one of them comes even close to the quality on this baby. You will need to get a magnetic charger, however. Opening and closing the USB flap every single day will damage it eventually, no matter how careful you are.
^ "better" is very subjective.
Like you, I am fed up with large phones. I had the GS4 since it came out last year (got it on day 1), and used it for most of the year. I actually quite like the GS4 -- replaceable battery, MicroSD, great camera, great display and "manageable" size. However, I wanted to try more pocketable devices, so:
- First up the Moto X. Great, great design. Awesome feel in hand, more pocketable. Active notifications are just great. Because of the lower-res screen, the non-removable battery is fine - I can usually get through 14-15 hours without a charge so even when I am travelling all day, not a big worry. The two big downsides to the Moto X are (a) crap camera -- although it can take good HDR photos in the right light, it often disappoints (b) lack of MicroSD storage. I'm consistently running at around 23/25GB so it's a bit tight.
- Now trying the z1c. Obviously it solves some of the Moto X shortcomings (camera and MicroSD). It's not perfect. First, the feel in hand is not as good as the Moto X, because it's thicker all around and it's a very square shape (so digs into your palms a bit). Screen on the Moto X (which is AMOLED) is better, but this is subjective. Battery, can't tell yet - think it's around the same as the Moto X (essentially the same size). I also removed the ASF, couldn't stand it. Fingerprints are roughly the same as on the Moto X, that is to say manageable. As of now, I had to downgrade to JB to get a bug-free ROM. Had a few KK issues (mostly sound-related including the alarm).
BTW, I had the Nexus 5 when it first came out, returned it to Google after 1 day. To me the Moto X is a much better overall device than the N5 with the same tradeoffs. The N5 is too big and cut into my hands, never mind it had all kinds of crazy bugs (they may or may not be solved now).
If you want a small, fast device with a very good camera, there isn't much choice right now other than the z1c. Maybe Samsung or HTC will make "proper" minis this year (their 2013 mini's are not high-end devices)???
The screen protector thing killed it for me, they scratch far too easily and once taken off there is no coating on the glass.
Wish Sony stopped doing that.
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The screen protector thing killed it for me, they scratch far too easily and once taken off there is no coating on the glass.
Wish Sony stopped doing that.
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Just get a good tempered glass protector, they literally feel better than the bare glass (as they have the proper coatings), fingerprints are reduced and touch responsiveness is identical
First thing i do with a phone, before rooting is buying a MATE screen protector for the device. Better haptic even with water on the finger.
The phone itself is more than others. But that is my subjective opinion.
It is the first phone, in dimensions of an iPhone with realy powerfull hardware.
All the Mini-Versions of HTC and Samsung are bad compromisses.
You want the latest and greatest stuff inside?
So buy our 5' or 6' "mega-super-doesnt-fit-in-a-normal-jeans-phones"
I want a hardware with the ability, not to be outdatet, after half a year. And the size of an iPhone.
THANK YOU SONY!
Well done.
That`s what i am thinking!
If size and waterproofing is not an issue for you, then probably not worth getting this over Nexus 5. KitKat update has many bugs. Probably too many for many people. But it is still manageable. But I have issues in other departments.
This was my first Xperia in long time. And even though Sony has made a great little device, they still have some way to go in terms of optimising their software for their hardware. I very much liked Z1 Compact. But it does not feel like it is being powered by S800 SoC. That ultimate fluidity is missing from Sony's skin. Nova Launcher fixed the fluidity issue but at the cost of many Sony widgets.
Camera hardware is great. But the Intelligent Auto mode as well as Manual mode even in KitKat are too hit or miss. HDR is also not great (limited to 8MP and much much slower than other high end phones like Nexus 5, Note3 or S4 and even Moto X). Nexus 5 generates better HDR images than Z1 compact from what I have seen so far. Fiddling with each setting manually does give decent pics. Even great at times. Same is case with Auto mode. Some pictures really turn out to be great. But even at low ISOs the pictures appear over processed and noisy and not as sharp sometimes.
Camera on phone should have great auto mode. It is meant to take pictures quickly. Sony needs to improve on this.
Overall, I got bored with the phone rather quickly. The fact that Nexus 5 and Moto X were offering better day to day use experience is what killed my interest in Z1 Compact in the end. That and lack of development meant I gave up on it. Maybe little too early. But I did give up. I might give it another try at sometime in the future.
But as of now, out of box Nexus 5 will probably give you better experience. I used the adverb "probably" because not everyone will have same point of view. But as a person who have used both this is the conclusion I can draw.
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1. It does have a screen protector.
2 . The camera is absolutely amazing, but the software on stock 4.3 sucks. It's nearly impossible to record a video in focus for longer than 2 seconds. My camera results have been significantly better on CM 11. I can take pictures from large distances, crop them, and they still look sharp.
3. Overall quality is excellent. I've come from many iterations of Samsung phones and can tell you that not one of them comes even close to the quality on this baby. You will need to get a magnetic charger, however. Opening and closing the USB flap every single day will damage it eventually, no matter how careful you are.
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I disagree about the camera. 70% of the time its great, but then there's those times where the focus is out because the Auto mode is rubbish, or there's flash bleed at night when using a flash..
I also disagree about the quality aspect vs Samsung phones. I also come from a long line of Samsung phones, and what I can say is what you additional warm and fuzzies you get over the Z1C and Z1 build quality, is quite the reverse if you drop it. At least Samsung phones bounce without causing damage.
Also the USB flap charging issue - Sony still haven't learnt that phones these days need Wireless Charging... All the "reference" google android devices - Nexus phones / tabs have it, and I also have wireless charging installed in my Note 3. Sony need to quit it with the magnetic charging cables/docs and go
wireless..
However, the positives here are that its the best compact device (of a flagship) on the market. Its also the same size as an iPhone 5/5s and with better all round specs. In Australia an iPhone 5S 16gb retails for $799, vs the Z1C for $552 (and has expandable storage). If anyone is in the market for a high spec compact phone, the Z1C would have to be it.
The Z1C is perfect for my usage pattern which consists of heavy daily use for both web browsing/emails (3hrs SOT+) and music playback (6hrs+) with a few calls and texts. I still have my N5 and would say (as many others probably have done so already) that it's unbeatable in terms of value for money for excellent specs and KK.
Unfortunately for me the N5 is very uncomfortable for one-handed use and drains too quickly through the day to last. The Moto X has the perfect size and form factor but again the battery is insufficient for me. I would also like UK-compatible LTE bands and 32GB of storage which is sadly not possible.
That leaves the Z1C. Although it's far from perfect, I've put a film screen protector over the ASF, the camera is sufficient for my limited needs and ultimately it does a great job of being my mp3 player and web access point.
dilemma
coming from a ancient iPhone 3g, switched over to a Nexus S, followed by Nexus 4 und now Nexus 5:
As i am doing a lot of purchasing for my company, I get many different smartphones to see, test, and setup.
The Nexus S had a perfect size (imho), the Nex 4 was big, and the Nex 5 feels HUGE in my hands, and pockets. Way to big to carry it in my trousers.
Aditionally i would prefer a waterproof phone. BUT: i need root acces, to get a RSAP working.
Is there no easy way of rooting and staying able to receiva OTA as on the Nex 5?
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Is there no easy way of rooting and staying able to receiva OTA as on the Nex 5?
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Depends what you mean by easy. If you follow the step by step guide in the forums here, you can get root. It's a lot more difficult than some other devices, no denying that.
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Depends what you mean by easy. If you follow the step by step guide in the forums here, you can get root. It's a lot more difficult than some other devices, no denying that.
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It says there is 4.4 all over Google for this phone, I have the unbranded UK versions but software updates says there are no newer versions and I'm only on 4.3.
Why is this?
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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It seems as if there will also be a z4c.
You might want to wait for that, but if you fancy a good camera Sony phones wouldn't be something for you.
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It seems as if there will also be a z4c.
You might want to wait for that, but if you fancy a good camera Sony phones wouldn't be something for you.
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Generally speaking I'm not quite sure how much the price of the z3c will fall with the introduction of the z4c.
However I'm curious about the overall performance of the phone: Do you think it is worth the buy?
And what is more, I've seen there is quite a struggle with the bootloader and with developers, but with official CM nightlies this should be fine, right?
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Generally speaking I'm not quite sure how much the price of the z3c will fall with the introduction of the z4c.
However I'm curious about the overall performance of the phone: Do you think it is worth the buy?
And what is more, I've seen there is quite a struggle with the bootloader and with developers, but with official CM nightlies this should be fine, right?
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The price won't fall THAT much, but the recent price drop could be because of that.
The phone is still worth to buy for sure as for bootloader problems, they should be history now.
There is no real evidence of a z4 compact being released anytime soon. For now, pretend like it doesn't exist and get whatever phone you want. Besides, the rumors indicate the phone will only be a marginal upgrade: newer processor and increased screen resolution.
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phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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This is just my opinion and I don't intend to talk trash about Sony phones but I'm gonna just tell you like it is.
Just so you know, I'm in IT field (Windows) and I have a comprehensive knowledge about PC hardware tech. Since I switched to android from iPhone about 2.5 years ago, I had bought quite a few phones that included 3 Sony phones.
- ZR with overheat problem even only on browsing the internet with Chrome and very poor quality display (made with TFT) => RETURNED with 15% restocking fee.
- ZL Same poor quality TFT display => I ended up gave it to my sis.
- Z3C made with IPS but with poor touch panel. Annoying touch pattern grids are visible. IPS display quality of the Z3C is well below average even compared to the iPhone 4's. Camera is mediocre at best but all the hype makes me really look down on Sony - the only company who created TA partition just to put their crappy softwares on it and tied the bootloader with it. Not that I give a rat ass about losing its DRM functions, it's just that errors pop up here and there when I unlock the bootloader.
My other 2 Android phones are the Nexus 5 and LG Optimus E970. These 2 phones' displays are superb. I wish the Z3C has the same display quality as those 2. I love its size and battery performance but Sony mobile display sucks big time. Don't get me started on Sony bloatwares (2 ecosystems on 1 device is a joke).
I have many Sony devices in my home (laptop, bluray player, tv...) but when it comes to Sony phones, I'm sure next time I'll pass.
I bought my Z3C for $520 USD. It's still 99.99% new. I would sell it to you for $300 USD if you live in my area (I wouldn't buy it even for $300 though)
Some of the cheaper Z3C listings in the US are for the D5833 overseas model. Be careful with this version, as it will suffer from limited 4G compatibility in the States.
phoneowner71 said:
Hi
I'm pretty much committed to buying a Z3 Compact or the Z1 Compact as they seem to be the only smaller Androids out there.
I've noticed the price has dropped a little (£292 on Amazon) which I presume is something to do with the imminent arrival of the Z5 compact - do you think if I wait a little longer the price may fall some more?
And is the Z3C that much better than the Z1C?
Thanks
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I have a D5803 running stock 5.0.2 and I'm very happy with the device.
It's compact, fast and battery lasts for 2 days minimum (if you don't play games).
The user interface is simple, fast and close to AOSP look&feel .
I saw no reason to hack the phone with custom ROMs or mods, since I found it to be VERY stable and basically everything works.
If you plan to heavily customize your phone, be ready to face some obstacles mainly due to the fact that Lolipop is quite new on this phone and mods are not yet perfect (although they are improving). I've gone that route before with previous phones, and usually the outcome is that you get some visual adaptations to your taste, but in fact the overall stability/performance will be worst.
Some may argue that the camera software could be better, and I tend to agree. But you will be able to take good pictures, if you use some manual settings.
In my experience, Bluetooth/NFC works very well with different gadgets/systems: hi-fi, Pebble watch, BT headphones (even using aptX), car system, ...
I haven't tested audio high-res external DACs, but some users report some devices are tricky to interface well using Lolipop. Other report their device works. Basic audio play is quite good if you have good headphones and choose the right eq settings.
Some users report the glass may crack due to overheating, and I saw many friends with other phones (like Samsung) suffering from the same issue. Mine is in perfect condition and I hope it stays that way.
In summary: I'm very happy with my gadget and I wouldn't change it for anything out there with similar form factor. And although Lolipop 5.0.2 is not perfect, I got used to it and don't see a reason to go back to KK. And 5.1 will certainly come...
Is there a perfect smartphone (hw+sw+UX+price) ? No, but in my opinion this one is a good step forward.
Oh, and if you don't want to fiddle around with connectivity issues, be sure to buy the phone that maps to your geography and operator (D5803 vs D5833) and use a ROM that was built for it.
z4c would defiantly be a "want to have" but at a premium price point, that's why i picked z3c and i got a great deal. In my eyes it's the best phone on the marked atm. If you exclude all the minitablets which i have 0 interest in.
I am in the same position as the OP.
I had some android devices (nexus s, gnexus, htc incredible s, nexus4, htc one m7), right now I have no smartphone.
Z3C seems the "right choice" except for a couple things:
1) Price: here in Portugal the lowest is 400eur. For that price you can also have: htc desire eye, galaxy s5, and a lot of other non-waterproof phones with better cameras and better screens, but also worse battery.
The Z1C is 100eur cheaper.
2) Camera: it seems that sony camera is not on pair with others, even with everyone saying that is software the truth is that nobody solved it.
3) Sudden death: there are some cases (see sony's forum) of sudden death phones.
4) Cracked glass: this I don't know if is hype or not.I had a nexus 5 and people said that it broken by itself but mine only broke by hitting the floor.
I guess that if the Z4C brings the Snappdragon 810 it won't be very good because of overheating and throttling...
Only option is to wait.
Thanks for the replies.
For me the Z3C choice comes down to physical size.
I want a smaller phone but good specs, and as far as I can see there is no competition in the Android sphere (happy to be proved wrong).
I'll be keeping the phone pretty much stock until I need to start tinkering, so mods are not a problem for me currently.
I suspect the Z3C will have OS support for longer than the Z1C so that may make the £100 difference worth paying.
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Thanks for the replies.
For me the Z3C choice comes down to physical size.
I want a smaller phone but good specs, and as far as I can see there is no competition in the Android sphere (happy to be proved wrong).
I'll be keeping the phone pretty much stock until I need to start tinkering, so mods are not a problem for me currently.
I suspect .com/2015/04/22/sony-xperia-z4-compact-e5803-z4ultra-e6683-e6883-certification-details/"]http://www.whatsontech.com/2015/04/22/sony-xperia-z4the Z3C will have OS support for longer than the Z1C so that may make the £100 difference worth paying.
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Z4c and Z4U are real coming and they already passed the certification process with the model number being leaked out. I guess they will out on Sep.
But if you are speaking for the battery life, Z3c with s801 and 720p will be much better. All I can think is Z4c will improve the camera software further(and also fixed the Z3/Z3c red/green/purple tint issue) and upgraded to FHD screen. I've got a Z1c, if you want a cheaper phone to wait Z4c then Z1c is still doing good. If you want battery life for all then go for Z3c now.
Sony has a long running joke here or something. I've always been interested in the Xperia phones, mostly for the camera, but apparently even that isn't groudbreaking - this makes ZERO sense considering the number of top cameras in the world being from Sony, and the majority of smartphone OEMs using Sony sensors, but somehow putting out superior results compared to Sony themselves.
Seriously, why should anyone spend $700 on this thing?
1. 5.2" is the biggest size offered - Sony clearly ignores what customers want. They give the options of small, and SMALLER with the compacts.
2. The camera app is a joke for being a "cameraphone first," and apparetly so are the photos.
3. They use a 1/2.3" sensor which is great, but no OIS? Seriously? Even HTC managed to put two camera modules with OIS in the HTC 10, and Sony can't even pull it off with the main sensor? EIS is garbage compared to OIS for photos at night, so that is no defense.
4. 3GB of RAM? Seriously? More may not be NECESSARY, but when every other flagship has it, you're going to skimp when charging $700?
5. Market-dependent features? The U.S. doesn't even get a fingerprint scanner? No wonder carriers stopped selling these phones!
What the hell does this phone have to offer for $700? Practically nothing. No mentionable audio performance (actually from sound tests, the stereo speakers are embarassingly quiet). The camera is not blowing out the competiition, lacks features (PARTICULARLY full manual control), and OIS. The software seems decent, but nothing worth mentioning. The display is nothing special. Audio recording is apparently nothing special.
It has water resistance and a cool design. Wow, sure worth the $700. I really want to order this phone and get it next week, but the LG V20 seems to destroy it in every regard. I love taking pictures on a smartphone and pushing their limits (since that is the camera you have with you all the time), but for $700, this thing is a joke! There is literally nothing that sets it apart from any other phone on the market! If I am missing something, please let me know - otherwise, Sony, your mobile division needs fired because they are IDIOTS.
I'm buying this phone. I always buy the new Sony phone when released. I simply enjoy Sony phones, no other justification necessary.
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I think you can say the same thing with other phones currently on the market. Each of the phone has its own problems.
And 5.2" for a flagship is not very bad considering HTC 10 also has a 5.2" but still I would like XZ have a 5.5 " screen
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I'm buying this phone. I always buy the new Sony phone when released. I simply enjoy Sony phones, no other justification necessary.
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But why do you enjoy them? I want to know if there is something I am missing here. What makes these phones more enjoyable than other flagships which have more/better features?
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I think you can say the same thing with other phones currently on the market. Each of the phone has its own problems.
And 5.2" for a flagship is not very bad considering HTC 10 also has a 5.2" but still I would like XZ have a 5.5 " screen
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It's not that this phone has problems. I'm sure it works just fine. The Note7 lags like a ***** - that is a problem. Sony phones just seem to LACK stuff that makes them unique or more useful. There is nothing that separates this phone from the pack...
And 5.2" isn't TERRIBLE, but it's still pretty small. What will make it terrible is having on-screen buttons at 5.2". At least the HTC 10 was 5.2" with capacitive keys. You are going to have even less screen real-estate with the on-screen buttons.
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But why do you enjoy them? I want to know if there is something I am missing here. What makes these phones more enjoyable than other flagships which have more/better features?
It's not that this phone has problems. I'm sure it works just fine. The Note7 lags like a ***** - that is a problem. Sony phones just seem to LACK stuff that makes them unique or more useful. There is nothing that separates this phone from the pack...
And 5.2" isn't TERRIBLE, but it's still pretty small. What will make it terrible is having on-screen buttons at 5.2". At least the HTC 10 was 5.2" with capacitive keys. You are going to have even less screen real-estate with the on-screen buttons.
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I wouldn't know. I don't use any other flagships. I bought the Xperia X1 years ago and never left. I would imagine they are somewhat similar. Every OEM has strengths and weaknesses and none are perfect. Its a personal preference thing.
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I am also buying the XZ. Will import one from Clove UK for $620 with free MDR-XB950BT SONY WIRELESS HEADPHONES. The headphones sell for $ 150 on Amazon.
I have been using the GS7 since it came out and in my opinion it is a piece of crap. The Z3V I had with Verizon was a better phone than the S7. Better battery life and overall performance. The camera on the S7 is better than the camera was on the Z3V but the difference isn't that large.
I have been using Xperia phones since the X10 came out and used many of the Sony Ericsson phones before the X10.
Also based on GSM Arean's review the XZ is the best phone Sony ever made.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz-review-1500.php
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But why do you enjoy them? I want to know if there is something I am missing here. What makes these phones more enjoyable than other flagships which have more/better features?
It's not that this phone has problems. I'm sure it works just fine. The Note7 lags like a ***** - that is a problem. Sony phones just seem to LACK stuff that makes them unique or more useful. There is nothing that separates this phone from the pack...
And 5.2" isn't TERRIBLE, but it's still pretty small. What will make it terrible is having on-screen buttons at 5.2". At least the HTC 10 was 5.2" with capacitive keys. You are going to have even less screen real-estate with the on-screen buttons.
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Nowadays the phone market became saturate and most of the phone become more or less the same,most of the "special" feature coming from vendor is just gimmick like the curve screen. Samsung phone have gorgeous screen but the curve distort the image on it and it also cause glare which is very annoying.
Yeah and the XZ have plenty of space under the screen and yet they choose to have on screen button . It look like that with each of the phone Sony release they try hard to screw something up
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Nowadays the phone market became saturate and most of the phone become more or less the same,most of the "special" feature coming from vendor is just gimmick like the curve screen. Samsung phone have gorgeous screen but the curve distort the image on it and it also cause glare which is very annoying.
Yeah and the XZ have plenty of space under the screen and yet they choose to have on screen button . It look like that with each of the phone Sony release they try hard to screw something up
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What I started to dislike about Sony phones is the OS.
It turned out to be too simplistic, it is almost pure Google's Android hence it is lacking the special and unique feeling Sony was giving us in the past.
They should have their unique style / design that will distinguish them from the others.
For me it is too stock now, I do not like this.
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Sony has a long running joke here or something. I've always been interested in the Xperia phones, mostly for the camera, but apparently even that isn't groudbreaking - this makes ZERO sense considering the number of top cameras in the world being from Sony, and the majority of smartphone OEMs using Sony sensors, but somehow putting out superior results compared to Sony themselves.
Seriously, why should anyone spend $700 on this thing?
1. 5.2" is the biggest size offered - Sony clearly ignores what customers want. They give the options of small, and SMALLER with the compacts.
2. The camera app is a joke for being a "cameraphone first," and apparetly so are the photos.
3. They use a 1/2.3" sensor which is great, but no OIS? Seriously? Even HTC managed to put two camera modules with OIS in the HTC 10, and Sony can't even pull it off with the main sensor? EIS is garbage compared to OIS for photos at night, so that is no defense.
4. 3GB of RAM? Seriously? More may not be NECESSARY, but when every other flagship has it, you're going to skimp when charging $700?
5. Market-dependent features? The U.S. doesn't even get a fingerprint scanner? No wonder carriers stopped selling these phones!
What the hell does this phone have to offer for $700? Practically nothing. No mentionable audio performance (actually from sound tests, the stereo speakers are embarassingly quiet). The camera is not blowing out the competiition, lacks features (PARTICULARLY full manual control), and OIS. The software seems decent, but nothing worth mentioning. The display is nothing special. Audio recording is apparently nothing special.
It has water resistance and a cool design. Wow, sure worth the $700. I really want to order this phone and get it next week, but the LG V20 seems to destroy it in every regard. I love taking pictures on a smartphone and pushing their limits (since that is the camera you have with you all the time), but for $700, this thing is a joke! There is literally nothing that sets it apart from any other phone on the market! If I am missing something, please let me know - otherwise, Sony, your mobile division needs fired because they are IDIOTS.
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1. not everyone likes big phones, i switched from note 2 note 3 to z5 and happy with the size, i think sony isnt big like Samsung which offers massive number of choices, and their target is asian market which ppl there have smaller hands maybe?
2. yes, hope they will update it
3. if they put ois in only to make the lens to be protruded like samsungs htcs lgs and other brands then i prefer they just leave it as is, cell phone camera is only enough for social network or sharing pictures with friends due to the physical limit of sensor size, i use a real camera if im travelling
4. agreed, 4gb in 2016 is the minimum for a flagship phone
5. i think theres patent involved in the us or they will have to pay some fees or whatever if they include the feature, well at least the hardware is there and u can always flash the rom from international version to activate it, or just buy a imported one if u want one i guess
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Seriously, why should anyone spend $700 on this thing?
1. 5.2" is the biggest size offered - Sony clearly ignores what customers want. They give the options of small, and SMALLER with the compacts.
2. The camera app is a joke for being a "cameraphone first," and apparetly so are the photos.
3. They use a 1/2.3" sensor which is great, but no OIS? Seriously? Even HTC managed to put two camera modules with OIS in the HTC 10, and Sony can't even pull it off with the main sensor? EIS is garbage compared to OIS for photos at night, so that is no defense.
4. 3GB of RAM? Seriously? More may not be NECESSARY, but when every other flagship has it, you're going to skimp when charging $700?
5. Market-dependent features? The U.S. doesn't even get a fingerprint scanner? No wonder carriers stopped selling these phones!
What the hell does this phone have to offer for $700? Practically nothing. No mentionable audio performance (actually from sound tests, the stereo speakers are embarassingly quiet). The camera is not blowing out the competiition, lacks features (PARTICULARLY full manual control), and OIS. The software seems decent, but nothing worth mentioning. The display is nothing special. Audio recording is apparently nothing special.
It has water resistance and a cool design. Wow, sure worth the $700. I really want to order this phone and get it next week, but the LG V20 seems to destroy it in every regard. I love taking pictures on a smartphone and pushing their limits (since that is the camera you have with you all the time), but for $700, this thing is a joke! There is literally nothing that sets it apart from any other phone on the market! If I am missing something, please let me know - otherwise, Sony, your mobile division needs fired because they are IDIOTS.
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Well. You can always buy a GalaxyNote 7 which will eventually explode on you. For 800 dollars. Duh!
Anyway:
1. 5.2 is OPTIMAL. Most of the people don't need huge bricks in their pockets. But you need mode? Buy Z5 Premium.
2. The statement about the photo quality without any proof, and with plenty of proof in the net stating otherwise, is so childish it doesn't even qualify to this forum.
The app is great, just use the brain.
3. OIS on a smartphone is a toy. I mean who the f... cares about an OIS, if Digital Stabailization is working on XZ 3 times better than any OIS on any smartphone (proven in tons of videos). Again, instead of reading comparative charts use your brain and think.
4. 3GB is absolutely plenty.
5. They should work it out.
And for the Sony, it also has the best design and UI. Samsung looks like crap inside and is unstable.
LG is designed like sh..t, UI looks tacky. The camera has features but the performance is not there yet.
Why did you come here? Strange reasons I believe.
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Well. You can always buy a GalaxyNote 7 which will eventually explode on you. For 800 dollars. Duh!
Anyway:
1. 5.2 is OPTIMAL. Most of the people don't need huge bricks in their pockets. But you need mode? Buy Z5 Premium.
2. The statement about the photo quality without any proof, and with plenty of proof in the net stating otherwise, is so childish it doesn't even qualify to this forum.
The app is great, just use the brain.
3. OIS on a smartphone is a toy. I mean who the f... cares about an OIS, if Digital Stabailization is working on XZ 3 times better than any OIS on any smartphone (proven in tons of videos). Again, instead of reading comparative charts use your brain and think.
4. 3GB is absolutely plenty.
5. They should work it out.
And for the Sony, it also has the best design and UI. Samsung looks like crap inside and is unstable.
LG is designed like sh..t, UI looks tacky. The camera has features but the performance is not there yet.
Why did you come here? Strange reasons I believe.
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You're clearly a Sony shill. I've owned a PLETHORA of phones, so I am loyal to no brand. I go for what is the best option on the market. I am here because I have had an interest in Sony since the Z5 Premium was announced, but with US carriers dropping them (obviously for good reason), I didn't jump on the opportunity to try one out due to poor resale value.
1. You say 5.2" is optimal? For YOU maybe - some people disagree, otherwise phablets wouldn't exist and do so well in the market.
2. Without any proof? You're right, it's hard to find proof when all the recent camera reviews exclude the XZ, probably because it is nothing impressive. Looking at the photo comparisons that do exist, namely the GSMArena comparison tool, there is no tangible benefit from the XZ. It actually LACKS detail compared to the iPhone 7 and Note7 in most situations which is SAD. Sony rocks the camera world but clearly sucks with their phones.
3. OIS is a joke? You're an idiot. Digital image stabilization is not going to make a difference or even work with full resolution photos. EIS can work well with videos, yes, but it is NOT a replacement for OIS. The two should work in tandem.
4. 3GB may be "plenty" for light use, but there is ZERO REASON for them to include 3GB of RAM for $700! That is the whole point of this thread. This phone is spec'd WORSE than a $400 competitor!
5. Oh, they should work it out? No they won't you moron. The past phones still have no official fingerprint support.
This phone is a joke for the price.
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You're clearly a Sony shill. I've owned a PLETHORA of phones, so I am loyal to no brand. I go for what is the best option on the market. I am here because I have had an interest in Sony since the Z5 Premium was announced, but with US carriers dropping them (obviously for good reason), I didn't jump on the opportunity to try one out due to poor resale value.
1. You say 5.2" is optimal? For YOU maybe - some people disagree, otherwise phablets wouldn't exist and do so well in the market.
2. Without any proof? You're right, it's hard to find proof when all the recent camera reviews exclude the XZ, probably because it is nothing impressive. Looking at the photo comparisons that do exist, namely the GSMArena comparison tool, there is no tangible benefit from the XZ. It actually LACKS detail compared to the iPhone 7 and Note7 in most situations which is SAD. Sony rocks the camera world but clearly sucks with their phones.
3. OIS is a joke? You're an idiot. Digital image stabilization is not going to make a difference or even work with full resolution photos. EIS can work well with videos, yes, but it is NOT a replacement for OIS. The two should work in tandem.
4. 3GB may be "plenty" for light use, but there is ZERO REASON for them to include 3GB of RAM for $700! That is the whole point of this thread. This phone is spec'd WORSE than a $400 competitor!
5. Oh, they should work it out? No they won't you moron. The past phones still have no official fingerprint support.
This phone is a joke for the price.
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You call me an idiot.
Seriously, I have no time for discussion with trolls.
You're clueless kid, this forum will trash you anyway.
The phone doesn't seem so expensive over in the UK, cheaper than the Pixel at similar specs and includes a microsd slot.
For the OPs question, I think Sony phones are great compared to other flagships. Reliable and long lasting devices, awesome battery life, not much preloaded bloatware and no slow home screen system. At least from my experience with many many devices (for dev), the Sony is always my go to phone for constant usage, as things tend to just work.
I am also getting this phone. Need a replacement for my OnePlus One. I am buying it from UK which comes out way cheaper than buying here at USA. I also will be getting the free headset which cost about 150 USD. Getting phone for 641 with fastest shipping from UK to USA. The price comes out about 500 dollars for the phone.
If you are worry about bank asking for a fee for currency conversion, i suggest to use amazon.co.uk. They do the conversion on their side and will charge your card using your local currency.
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I am also buying the XZ. Will import one from Clove UK for $620 with free MDR-XB950BT SONY WIRELESS HEADPHONES. The headphones sell for $ 150 on Amazon.
I have been using the GS7 since it came out and in my opinion it is a piece of crap. The Z3V I had with Verizon was a better phone than the S7. Better battery life and overall performance. The camera on the S7 is better than the camera was on the Z3V but the difference isn't that large.
I have been using Xperia phones since the X10 came out and used many of the Sony Ericsson phones before the X10.
Also based on GSM Arean's review the XZ is the best phone Sony ever made.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_xz-review-1500.php
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So are you not with Verizon anymore? I have the S7 Edge as my upgrade from the Z3v, but hell the power saving mode and performance is better on the Z3v. I've never complained about any sort of lags from the Z3v, but I occasionally get it on the S7 Edge.
Despite the TC's anti-Sony statements that any other people babble on about 3gb is not enough, the XZ still intrigues me. The fingerprint sensor is actually confirmed working IF you flash another region's firmware.
The sensor reenabled in USA
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/10/0...-owners-can-re-enable-the-fingerprint-sensor/
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Agreed, anything around 4.8~5.2 inch is the sweet spot for normal sized phone, OIS is a great addition, but it's not a dealbreaker without it if Sony come up with something comparable to that, more ram doesn't hurt, but it hurts when it's not being used.
Guess I'm one of those people not in there right mind as I just ordered it a few hours ago
I had the Xperia Z and then the Z3 and both were great. The Z3 was fantastic. I might even still be using it if T Mobile hadn't dropped support on it.
Not sure when will it arrive, upgrading from Xperia Z, good ol' phone served me well, 3 and a half years.
I already made this thread in the Z5C section and heard the reviews from there, now I'm willing to listen to the users of the XC.
I'm a user of a Z3C (had a Z1C before that). Now that Nougat isn't available anymore for our phone, I was wondering if I should buy a Z5C or a XC.
I'm not a stock user. I use a lot of mods and custom stuff on my phone. Stock isn't for me. I know that Z5C is more powerful and more affordable that a XC, but it only has one more year of support.
Would you recommend upgrading (at all)? And if yes, which of the models
I was thinking about waiting for the new Nexus phone...but damn, that price! Also took into consideration a Nexus 5X or a Samsung S7...I don't want a big phone, nor to sell my kidneys for a phone.
I upgraded from the z5 compact to the X Compact and I have to say I have no regret whatsoever.
The x compact is like a dream phone for me it just fits in your hand like a glove. You won't find a more comfortable in hand feel ever.
Performance is also snappy and Battery life slightly better, camera and display. Everything is just a bit better than the z5 compact.
I was a bit skeptical at first upgrading because the reviews on every big website aren't great for this phone but screw all of em they really have no idea what they are on about.
I follow damir francs reviews on YouTube he's really picky but spot on everytime.
I'm telling you right now this phone is amazing you will not be disappointed at all go get it!
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I'm not a stock user. I use a lot of mods and custom stuff on my phone. Stock isn't for me.
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I recently reinstalled the stock firmware on my phone, which made me realize how much I use that would likely require root on the latest versions of Android. In comparison to something like the Pixel, the limited interest is one of the reasons I'm reconsidering buying the X Compact. I haven't followed the Z5 Compact for some time, but I'd guess there are probably more developers using that phone.
I know that Z5C is more powerful and more affordable that a XC, but it only has one more year of support.
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Personally I'm only going to buy from a major US retailer for easy returns, so the two phones are currently about the same price for me. I watched the Z5 Compact prices after it came out, but realistically I would have already bought it if I was going to. The following video makes the X Compact look faster than the Z5 Compact for the sorts of things I would do most often.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jvi3Om1zA4
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I can't say if upgrading makes sense for someone else, but I'm probably going to replace my Razr M before the end of the month. The X Compact would be my choice of the two, mainly due to the newer processor.
I was thinking about waiting for the new Nexus phone...but damn, that price! Also took into consideration a Nexus 5X or a Samsung S7...I don't want a big phone, nor to sell my kidneys for a phone.
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I'd prefer a multi-network phone (CDMA compatible), so the Pixel and Nexus 5X are the other phones I'm primarily considering. In comparison to the Sony it's not necessary to mess with the DRM for bootloader unlocks, and they have a lot of people using them. If I can get over the larger size, it's probably smarter for me to go in that direction, because I want updated stock Android with root. If I could get an S7 for cheap on Black Friday, I might consider one, because I greatly prefer the S7 hardware over the Pixel, but generally it's too locked down for what I really want in a phone. Since I'm coming from a Motorola that had an easy to unlock bootloader and a fair number of people using the phone, the Pixel is probably most in line with what I'm used to for software, but it's considerably larger than something like the X Compact.
I too upgraded from z5c to xc and was very surprised by this phone, it is absolutely amazing.
although I too must admit I was a little skeptical because of dumb reviews that only look at no of cpu cores, synthetic benchmarks and fails to research deeper and take in considerations like the never efficient cpu core's (A72) and next gen gpu that might also look weaker in benchmarks, does not seem so at all in real life, contrary it seems to offer the same (+Vulcan) at much lower battery use. this might be cause the design of the soc is better than the previous series and the first 64bit cortex (A57) is notorious for overheating and throttling back which also hurts the gpu. what do I know? I know I love the z5c but the xc does excel in every perspective speed, screen, insane battery life. etc.
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I too upgraded from z5c to xc and was very surprised by this phone, it is absolutely amazing.
although I too must admit I was a little skeptical because of dumb reviews that only look at no of cpu cores, synthetic benchmarks and fails to research deeper and take in considerations like the never efficient cpu core's (A72) and next gen gpu that might also look weaker in benchmarks, does not seem so at all in real life, contrary it seems to offer the same (+Vulcan) at much lower battery use. this might be cause the design of the soc is better than the previous series and the first 64bit cortex (A57) is notorious for overheating and throttling back which also hurts the gpu. what do I know? I know I love the z5c but the xc does excel in every perspective speed, screen, insane battery life. etc.
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Agree. I'll say it again.. The smoothness and speed of the phone is superior to all previous zcompact models. Not sure what Sony did but it seems very well optimized.
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I too upgraded from z5c to xc and was very surprised by this phone, it is absolutely amazing.
although I too must admit I was a little skeptical because of dumb reviews that only look at no of cpu cores, synthetic benchmarks and fails to research deeper and take in considerations like the never efficient cpu core's (A72) and next gen gpu that might also look weaker in benchmarks, does not seem so at all in real life, contrary it seems to offer the same (+Vulcan) at much lower battery use. this might be cause the design of the soc is better than the previous series and the first 64bit cortex (A57) is notorious for overheating and throttling back which also hurts the gpu. what do I know? I know I love the z5c but the xc does excel in every perspective speed, screen, insane battery life. etc.
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Agree. I'll say it again.. The smoothness and speed of the phone is superior to all previous zcompact models. Not sure what Sony did but it seems very well optimized.
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What do you think of the battery? If you had the z5c, how is it compared to that based on your experience?
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What do you think of the battery? If you had the z5c, how is it compared to that?
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I never really check screen on times and all but honestly it's at LEAST on par with the z5c. I think the battery is more on par with the z3c as I thought that phone was better than its successor. I'm a VERY heavy user and have about 20 percent when I lay down to bed.
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I never really check screen on times and all but honestly it's at LEAST on par with the z5c. I think the battery is more on par with the z3c as I thought that phone was better than its successor. I'm a VERY heavy user and have about 20 percent when I lay down to bed.
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Wow, the XC's battery on par of the Z3C? I had the Z3C and loved it because of the battery. Thanks for the feedback!
The only pro's i see in the Z5c over the Xc is ability to root without losing TA, micro usb (C is too new, my otg flash drives dont work), and the lanyard hole. I'd almost rather go back to the Z3c with its magnetic charging port, that was such a great feature.
A couple of observations: 1) XC fingerprint scanner is MUCH faster and more accurate for me than Z5C fingerprint scanner. 2) plastic sides of XC are more grippy than Z5C.
I prefer XC over Z5c so far.
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So I found someone who's selling the XC and Z5C around the same price. Can I know some opinions now that some time has passed since you got the device? Is it worth upgrading from the Z3C? Thanks!
Z3c doesn't get updates anymore, so probably yes very soon, if not now.
Also for that reason, I prefer the newer device. Also, the fingerprint sensor on xc really is very good.
I upgraded from the Z3C to XC. Not sure how it compared to the Z5C, but it's quite a nice device. The XC is a tad bigger than the Z3C was in the hand, but still easy to be used one-handed for the most part. It's much faster and instantly responds to input. It also has similar battery life to the Z3C on Marshmallow (nothing will be able to match what Stamina did back in KitKat and Lollipop). I updated the XC to Nougat as soon as I bought it, so I can't say how it behaved on Marshmallow compared to the Z3C. It also comes at the right time for me to upgrade since the seal around the USB port cover was finally pulling off on my Z3C. Not having to mess with that anymore is a bonus.
However not everything is perfect. Bluetooth connectivity appears worse than it did on my Z3C. I don't know if this was the case in Marshmallow as well, but it's constantly disconnecting from my car while right next to the radio and my Z3C maintained a much stronger connection. I also lost the ability to use an app for streaming my screen to my car over USB and am not sure why. I've gotten around that by installing an Android Auto hack on the head unit that tends to work better overall, so it's not a total loss. USB-C also required all new USB cables, although this isn't as big an issue.
So it's a bit of a mixed bag. It's positive for the most part and if the bluetooth issues get resolved then I will be much happier.
people who have been using XC for a while (longer than 6 months or so): is there any signs of the structural deficiencies that plagued Z3C such as the screen detaching from the front (or back)? i'd appreciate any input on this.
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people who have been using XC for a while (longer than 6 months or so): is there any signs of the structural deficiencies that plagued Z3C such as the screen detaching from the front (or back)? i'd appreciate any input on this.
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Phone was released just over 3 months ago (end of September I think) so to soon to tell. I upgraded from my old Z1 Compact and haven't had any issues with the XC yet. Granted I have only had my XC for 2 1/2 months. That said I do work outdoors so my phones go through more abuse than what most people put theirs through. So far so good, time will tell.
What about XC vs Z5C camera?? I am undecided to buy... Please help.
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What about XC vs Z5C camera?? I am undecided to buy... Please help.
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That depends on whether you want to take 4K video or not. If the answer is "yes", then the Z5C is your only option. If you don't care about that, then you might want to consider the XC. I'm not a huge shutterbug, so I can't tell you how much better it is. It does seem to be faster than it was on my old Z3C and has a larger sensor (although it should be the same sensor for the Z5C). The video recorder also features that multi-sensor stabilization which is pretty cool. I just wish it also worked for still images. Still, it is an overall improvement if the lack of 4K doesn't bother you.
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That depends on whether you want to take 4K video or not. If the answer is "yes", then the Z5C is your only option. If you don't care about that, then you might want to consider the XC. I'm not a huge shutterbug, so I can't tell you how much better it is. It does seem to be faster than it was on my old Z3C and has a larger sensor (although it should be the same sensor for the Z5C). The video recorder also features that multi-sensor stabilization which is pretty cool. I just wish it also worked for still images. Still, it is an overall improvement if the lack of 4K doesn't bother you.
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Ok... I really appreciate your points of view, the 4K recording it doesn't matter to me, I'm just look after the best photos, I mean, color, resolution, withouth foggy efect or dragged photo :/ . I think XC is my final option!
Thanks!! :good:
I have used both since release and while I keep our z5c phones around (I collect Xperia phones) I have not gone back at all after being on X compact, which in my opinion is so perfect from user experience to in-hand feel , speed, and fluidity... with a greatly improved camera over its predecessors, that I actually end up using it far more than the larger Xz phones.
yeah I believe you because some days back I found someone that was willing to exchange his XZ with my XC without any money changed (because here XC is rare to find but not xz) and I didnt do it! as far as Im concerned X compact has the same 3 GBs of ram and the same speed and user experience and a much better screen size to be used in one hand
I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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I'm agree with you, Compact series from sony is awesome. Nice hardware and perfect size including water proof and dust resistance. And I think it's still one of the best in terms of battery life. At the moment, absolutely satisfied with this phone.
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I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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Totally agree, every cent was well expended on this phone. I regret nothing. Also I thought I'd never use the waterproof feature, but this week accidently I poured water on my phone. I didn't even bothered about it
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I bought a Google pixel 3 weeks ago, and now I find myself using my old broken and taped z3c. This is the perfect size and I hope Sony never discontinues the compact series.
I bought pixel because Sony went mid range on their new compact. And that really sucks. I'd spend the same amount on a top range compact that looks exactly like the z3c. Water proof and awesome battery life and just the perfect to hold.
Sucks that its looking less and less likely.
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There are rumors that in February there will be a XZ Compact release.
Is the Pixel that bad? I was interested in buying it, but it's way too expensive.
No, absolutely not. Pixel is awesome. Unparalleled software and camera experience. Love the screen quality and oh so smooth.
Give me pixel software and camera on a z3c shape and size (maybe upgraded to include xperia x fingerprint scanner, USB c, and the new chips -821 and 4 GB RAM) and that works be my ideal phone.
I guess this is a good place to give my two cents, for all z3c users considering pixel - don't be fooled by those reviews calling the regular pixel a compact form, it's so not. Maybe it feels like compact to those who like and use phablets - to us z3c users, it's a big ol phone. And the way I hold the phone one handed (so I can type) actually hurts my finger. The bottom of pixel is sharp where the speaker cut out is. I rest my phone on my little finger - could do that with z3c - can't do that with pixel. The phone is top heavy, it always feel like it'll topple over during typing.
Compared to z3c, the pixel is a bar of soap, super slippery. Add to that the width and weight, and of course the price (meaning you don't want to drop this) this phone is a pain to use - super scared of dropping it all the time.
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No, absolutely not. Pixel is awesome. Unparalleled software and camera experience. Love the screen quality and oh so smooth.
Give me pixel software and camera on a z3c shape and size (maybe upgraded to include xperia x fingerprint scanner, USB c, and the new chips -821 and 4 GB RAM) and that works be my ideal phone.
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Wish I had the money to buy it then. Sounds like a cool phone.
But if you mod the Z3C right (my setup is SLIMM 3.8 + EliteKernel (personalized kernel profile) + ARISE Sound Mod + Cyberian (I tweaked some files as well and use personalized KCal settings) + N-ify along with Greenify and AppOps for saving battery and Media Scanner Optimizer + SDMaid for snappiness) I can say that this phone can perform par on par with the latest flagships. My girlfriend has a S7 and the way the camera is edited due to CyberianMod and my edits, the Z3C is coming really close to it.
The only problem with Z3 is the overheating issue and the fact that we don't have official support anymore. But, hey! A lot of bugs were fixed with the latest blobs.
I was searching for a new phone to buy as well, but I couldn't find anything (nor had the money). I took into account Nexus 5X but that phone has at most 1 more year of support. Same with the Z5C. XZ is too big, X Compact is mid-range. Pixel is way too expensive and OnePlus 3 is far too big.
I guess that I'll be stuck with the Z3C for a while. At least I can try and make the most of it. Great phone. Wish support wasn't dropped for it.
And it's a great phone to be stuck with - I almost wish I stayed put (hence the post) but I cracked my z3c and currently using it with tape. Also, got tired of the camera and low light picture quality - that and diminishing developer support ????
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And it's a great phone to be stuck with - I almost wish I stayed put (hence the post) but I cracked my z3c and currently using it with tape. Also, got tired of the camera and low light picture quality - that and diminishing developer support ????
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You should give a try to a brand new Z5 compact( or back again to a brand new Z3 compact) , in my opinion. Sure,many people would say it's a failure to buy a brand new 1-2 year old phone, when there's the new X Compact, BUT i just can't move to any other phone bigger than 4.7....And guys, let's be honest, only Sony provides power in these inches...(maybe Apple with the iPhone SE too, but it's not waterproff, no sd card + it's 4.0 not 4.6)
Don't think I didn't consider that. I really did... It boiled down to z5c not being much of an upgrade from z3c, looks more plasticky, and the horror stories I heard about overheating.
Combine that with my desire for the latest stock software and timely update and also a top notch camera - I had to make the call on pixel. Also, I'm on T-Mobile, been on it for quite a while, don't anticipate switching, so when T-Mobile half off over two years promo came out, the phone became affordable (not that it would have stopped me,, considering I bought the phone before the promo was announced).
As I said, if Sony releases an upgraded z3c again, same form factor and look, and battery life, just improved internals and maybe added finger print sensor, I'll sell my pixel and buy that instead. (I hope Sony is reading these forums )
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Don't think I didn't consider that. I really did... It boiled down to z5c not being much of an upgrade from z3c, looks more plasticky, and the horror stories I heard about overheating.
Combine that with my desire for the latest stock software and timely update and also a top notch camera - I had to make the call on pixel. Also, I'm on T-Mobile, been on it for quite a while, don't anticipate switching, so when T-Mobile half off over two years promo came out, the phone became affordable (not that it would have stopped me,, considering I bought the phone before the promo was announced).
As I said, if Sony releases an upgraded z3c again, same form factor and look, and battery life, just improved internals and maybe added finger print sensor, I'll sell my pixel and buy that instead. (I hope Sony is reading these forums )
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Well said lad. Have fun with your new phone, it's a nice feeling! I'll keep going with my Z3c until it dies! Haha,cheers!
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Combine that with my desire for the latest stock software and timely update and also a top notch camera - I had to make the call on pixel.
As I said, if Sony releases an upgraded z3c again, same form factor and look, and battery life, just improved internals and maybe added finger print sensor, I'll sell my pixel and buy that instead. (I hope Sony is reading these forums )
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I'd love to own a Pixel, stock android, tons of custom roms and outstanding camera, those two have my attention, but damn WTF with the price? Apart from the looks (the back is OK, but why did they copy iPhone's front is beyond every logic) the battery is a joke, come on from the Z2/Z3 days it should have become a standard to use a 3000mah battery with ~5" screen. This is not an affordable Nexus device so that they can cut costs on a battery and get away with it.
Anyway, even if Sony releases "upgraded z3c" or something similar, I'd think twice about it, mainly because I love using AOSP (fully working and stable), and that's impossible if you don't own Nexus/Pixel.
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Wish I had the money to buy it then. Sounds like a cool phone.
But if you mod the Z3C right (my setup is SLIMM 3.8 + EliteKernel (personalized kernel profile) + ARISE Sound Mod + Cyberian (I tweaked some files as well and use personalized KCal settings) + N-ify along with Greenify and AppOps for saving battery and Media Scanner Optimizer + SDMaid for snappiness) I can say that this phone can perform par on par with the latest flagships. My girlfriend has a S7 and the way the camera is edited due to CyberianMod and my edits, the Z3C is coming really close to it.
The only problem with Z3 is the overheating issue and the fact that we don't have official support anymore. But, hey! A lot of bugs were fixed with the latest blobs.
I was searching for a new phone to buy as well, but I couldn't find anything (nor had the money). I took into account Nexus 5X but that phone has at most 1 more year of support. Same with the Z5C. XZ is too big, X Compact is mid-range. Pixel is way too expensive and OnePlus 3 is far too big.
I guess that I'll be stuck with the Z3C for a while. At least I can try and make the most of it. Great phone. Wish support wasn't dropped for it.
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Hi!
I'm very new here and also not that experienced with modding android. I have 2 Zc3 witch I've Rooted and put some Slimm rom in. (I've no Idea What th SLimm stands for)
Going to try to copy your setup now, so thanks for posting that!
I Upgraded one of them today with the "D5803_3657_Android 6.0 Sony Marshmallow Concept"
And to my Suprise they added support for Exchange server??
I've tried so hard to get any exchange calender to work with the slimm but to no sucess, Do any of you use marsmallow? or do you use older ones? (My work uses office365 )
I been looking for any phone that can match the batterylife and size with the xperia but with no sucess. So I guess I'm stuck with simply the best ^^
Best phone I was used before but due digitizer problem I sent to service they replace the phone with X
I really enjoyed with z3c it is great phone