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I would like to know your opinion. I really want to upgrade my phone. As most of you know Nexus 5 battery and camera are not great and after 2 years I own it battery is getting bad. We have 2 new Nexuses out but for some reason I`m not a big fan of them. I already studied threads on XDA and it seems N5X isn`t a big upgrade for N5. Ofc camera is better but the rest is a bit disappoiting. N6p is too expensive for me as I live in Europe. Paying 649 euro for 32 GB is too much for me. Also there is a lot of concerns about the build quality.
So I came up with idea to give a chance to OPT. I already got an invitiation but still can`t make the decision wheater to buy it or not. Specs looks amazing so the build quality. Camera is fine and battery seems to be a lot better than my N5. The only concerns are the finger print sensor that is not as accurate and fails sometimes to read the print and software that comes with it. I read that a lot of apps crashes, some of them like Google Maps only works in horizontal mode etc. Is it really that bad ? Should I avoid coming from Nexus device to chinese brand ? I also heard that Oneplus support is really poor. Waiting for weeks to get the answer through the ticket system.
I would like you to share your opinion about that matter please. Still have 24h before invitation expires. Thank you !!
Hey,
I had a similar problem. I changed the N5 on the OPT and my impressions are these:
+ Battery is much better.
+ Fingerprint reader works well.
+/- Dual sim is an advantage, but to automatically identify, with the sim card I want to call and write text messages are annoying and every 1-2 days I have to re-adjust to manual selection (I use a personal phone number and buisness phone number).
+/- Camera takes good photos, but there are problems with slow autofocus.
+/- In everyday use I do not see much difference in performance between the OPT and N5 (everything running smoothly).
- Lack of NFC and QI charge (although I admit that in N5 did not use these features).
- I suggest you immediately buy a case or backcover, because the back of the phone has an unpleasant structure of sandpaper.
I'll hope I helped you. I apologize in advance for grammar
Coming from a nexus 5 myself. I love the OPT. I have no complaints about the phone itself.
My only concern is development, hopefully that will change once the phone is released to the masses, dropping the invite system.
With the OPX now released I wonder will many people who were going to buy the OPT now purchase the X instead... Will have to wait and see.
For me everything except the heating of device because of SD 810 and bugs in OxygenOs here and there works nice. If you don't care about heating issue this will be a good buy.
ralph78 said:
HI
I would like to know your opinion. I really want to upgrade my phone. As most of you know Nexus 5 battery and camera are not great and after 2 years I own it battery is getting bad. We have 2 new Nexuses out but for some reason I`m not a big fan of them. I already studied threads on XDA and it seems N5X isn`t a big upgrade for N5. Ofc camera is better but the rest is a bit disappoiting. N6p is too expensive for me as I live in Europe. Paying 649 euro for 32 GB is too much for me. Also there is a lot of concerns about the build quality.
So I came up with idea to give a chance to OPT. I already got an invitiation but still can`t make the decision wheater to buy it or not. Specs looks amazing so the build quality. Camera is fine and battery seems to be a lot better than my N5. The only concerns are the finger print sensor that is not as accurate and fails sometimes to read the print and software that comes with it. I read that a lot of apps crashes, some of them like Google Maps only works in horizontal mode etc. Is it really that bad ? Should I avoid coming from Nexus device to chinese brand ? I also heard that Oneplus support is really poor. Waiting for weeks to get the answer through the ticket system.
I would like you to share your opinion about that matter please. Still have 24h before invitation expires. Thank you !!
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I came from a nexus 4 then had a oneplus one and now a OPT. The phone is great. Oxygen OS sucks but I'm running hydrogen OS with trebuchet launcher. Fastest phone I've ever used and the camera is great. I never have issues with the fingerprint reader. The only issue is there is no quick charge so it takes 2+hours to fully charge but the battery lasts me all day so that's not an issue.
I did the same cange and the OPT with oxygen OS is way slower than N5 with marshmallow, and it is sometimes buggy, sometimes the camera is super slow... The battery is waaay better and the camera takes much better pictures on the OPT. The screen and the audio is also much better on the OPT. The speed problem is a software problem, with cyanogenmod it is super fast. I am happy, but for not flashers you need to trust oneplus and Oxygen updates if you want this phone.
I also came from the Nexus 5. The N5 was my all-time favorite device. I did my research, gave it some thought, weighed my options and decided to take a chance with the OPT.
I have no regrets, at all now.
Reading of other OPT owner experiences, I was reluctant and at first regretted my decision, but that passed once I got my hands on it.
I have rooted my OPT and have tried all the available roms and kernels for it. While the OPT doesn't yet have as many roms available, it has enough to satisfy my mod addiction for now. I'm confident that developers will put out more and more over the next while.
Currently I'm back to using OxygenOS (2.1.1) and the Beoffla kernel. I also use coolify and disable the "keep awake" permission on pretty much everything. In the kernel settings I use the Impulse governor and the row scheduler.
I don't have a screenshot available, but I generally get around 4.5 hours SOT, unless I was playing games or something intensive. Sure charging takes a couple of hours, but I stay on top of it and it never becomes a problem for me.
Is OxygenOS perfect? Nah, but no rom is "perfect". It is stable enough to use as a daily driver and has enough options to tweak things a bit. People often complain that OxygenOS isn't stable or doesn't offer enough built in mods. I think that's horse****. It's a matter of knowing what you're doing. I use Tasker for nearly anything that isn't built in to the OS. No worries.
The camera on the OPT is pretty decent. Again, you will read complaints about speed and whatnot, but I really don't think it's that slow. I mean, I'm rarely shooting something that requires super high speed reaction. Know what I mean? See the attached picture of my cat. That's not bad in my opinion.
That was just a quick shot, no set up, just point and shoot.
Besides, a good photographer can take a good picture with a crappy camera. There's far more to taking a picture than resolution and speed of software.
The only time my OPT feels hot is when I'm flashing roms. Even then its not abnormally hot or anything. During normal useage even while playing games the temp never gets unusually hot. Of course it's going to feel hot if you plug it in and play Need for Speed for an hour. Any phone would get hot.
The only roms currently which allow you to use the fingerprint sensor are OxygenOS and HydrogenOS. I think it works very well. The only time it doesn't respond is when I don't put my finger on the sensor properly. It works every time i do it right.
I love the notification slider. It's convenient.
I bought an official OPT flip cover. I think it looks and feels great.
The speaker works sufficiently well for a small speaker. Again, I don't have much need for using the external speaker. I prefer headphones, however, on the occasions I've used the speaker, it was loud and clear. That's all I need.
Dual sim... I only need/use one sim. Using one works properly as expected. The sim I used in my N5 was of course a micro sim, but the OPT uses nano sims, so I just trimmed my micro sim to fit the nano slot. Never had any problems.
So, overall, I'm very happy with the OPT.
My single real complaint is that I like to use an OTG cable and flash drive. The generic USB c OTG does not work on the OPT. You have to use the USB c to microsd adapter. I mean it's not the end of the world, its just an inconvenience.
Get the OPT. You won't regret it.
I was set on a OnePlus 3T but this is one sale right now and I LOVE the audio capabilities of this thing. I have a rooted OP1 and have run CM for a couple years. It sounds like this phone isn't as far along as the OP3 when it comes to Roms etc... Correct? Any good Roms with everything working? One with theme customization would be nice too. Being used to perfectly working CM etc. would I regret getting this or should I go for it? Are there good Rom alternatives? I used to be one who would tinker with my phone a lot but these days I want a ROM thati like and just works and don't have to worry about it.
One other thing. It has been a long time since I've had a phone with an SD card slot. Can that storage be used as internal storage? On my Shield TV I can make one huge pool of storage with all the external storages plugged in.
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I was set on a OnePlus 3T but this is one sale right now and I LOVE the audio capabilities of this thing. I have a rooted OP1 and have run CM for a couple years. It sounds like this phone isn't as far along as the OP3 when it comes to Roms etc... Correct? Any good Roms with everything working? One with theme customization would be nice too. Being used to perfectly working CM etc. would I regret getting this or should I go for it? Are there good Rom alternatives? I used to be one who would tinker with my phone a lot but these days I want a ROM thati like and just works and don't have to worry about it.
One other thing. It has been a long time since I've had a phone with an SD card slot. Can that storage be used as internal storage? On my Shield TV I can make one huge pool of storage with all the external storages plugged in.
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You could have just looked at the ROM section of the forum to find your answer. We currently have one CM ROM, and it's not "perfectly working". It's a WIP.
You should buy the OnePlus 3T. The dev community for the Axon7 won't ever be as big as OP, and it seems that's what you care about.
Hola
I was interested in this A7 since it was announced earlier this year due to the amazing hardware and audio capabilities.
Fast forward 3 months or so since I have it, I can say that it delivers on the hardware in most aspects. The issues with this phone in my experience:
1. Camera ain't the best but just ok. Don't consider this phone if camera is important to you.
2. The hardware capacitive buttons are too close together and up to now it is tough to use the back and recents. This can somewhat be managed by using on screen navigation buttons which is available from one of our kind Devs who added it to a stock firmware based ROM.
3. There is no minute vibration controls. It is either on or off. On simply provides a hard, and relatively long vibration, annoying when typing. Yes you can turn it off on your keyboard but I still prefer it on regardless.
4. The single biggest issue for me is the lack of stable third party ROMs like RR, Pure Nexus, multiROM, DU, and the like. Also no full kernel is available yet - I see a Dev was able to provide 1 kernel but it is a work in progress and for that we are most grateful to the Dev. Another Dev, Unjustified Dev, took the time and effort to provide us an instance of CM13.1 but it has major issues with audio and mic. We know that Unjustified Dev has put a lot of time into trying to get the audio working better but due to the proprietary drivers related to audio it is also a work in progress. A few others have been trying to also help but mic is still iffy at this point. So if third party ROMs are your thing then this ain't a phone worthy of your money.
5. So frustrated I was with the initial lack of stable third party ROMs that I went ahead and purchased the OnePlus 3T, man that brand can attract Devs. I used the OnePlus for a few weeks but because I missed the dual front facing speakers of the A7, I went back. By this time another Dev was able to provide a very stable stock firmware based ROM with a few additional tweaks while keeping the audio features intact. I now use the A7 with Xposed and it is now OK. I am still hoping that our brilliant Devs will be able to get us a stable CM instance and I know they are still sacrificing time and effort into trying to provide us something.
6. I go back occasionally to my 3T to play with the latest iterations of some custom ROMs, but audio is the missing feature on the 3T.
Hope this helps you. I can't really pronounce on the other items you raised.
Get the A7 ... Great hardware & software improves (literally) daily!
OP3(T) has poor carrier support in the US. US model of Axon 7 is better tailored to US networks.
The Axon 7 is due to get an upgrade to Nougat in January 2017. I'm sure there will be many fixes to known problems that come with it.
QAM said:
Hola
I was interested in this A7 since it was announced earlier this year due to the amazing hardware and audio capabilities.
Fast forward 3 months or so since I have it, I can say that it delivers on the hardware in most aspects. The issues with this phone in my experience:
1. Camera ain't the best but just ok. Don't consider this phone if camera is important to you.
2. The hardware capacitive buttons are too close together and up to now it is tough to use the back and recents. This can somewhat be managed by using on screen navigation buttons which is available from one of our kind Devs who added it to a stock firmware based ROM.
3. There is no minute vibration controls. It is either on or off. On simply provides a hard, and relatively long vibration, annoying when typing. Yes you can turn it off on your keyboard but I still prefer it on regardless.
4. The single biggest issue for me is the lack of stable third party ROMs like RR, Pure Nexus, multiROM, DU, and the like. Also no full kernel is available yet - I see a Dev was able to provide 1 kernel but it is a work in progress and for that we are most grateful to the Dev. Another Dev, Unjustified Dev, took the time and effort to provide us an instance of CM13.1 but it has major issues with audio and mic. We know that Unjustified Dev has put a lot of time into trying to get the audio working better but due to the proprietary drivers related to audio it is also a work in progress. A few others have been trying to also help but mic is still iffy at this point. So if third party ROMs are your thing then this ain't a phone worthy of your money.
5. So frustrated I was with the initial lack of stable third party ROMs that I went ahead and purchased the OnePlus 3T, man that brand can attract Devs. I used the OnePlus for a few weeks but because I missed the dual front facing speakers of the A7, I went back. By this time another Dev was able to provide a very stable stock firmware based ROM with a few additional tweaks while keeping the audio features intact. I now use the A7 with Xposed and it is now OK. I am still hoping that our brilliant Devs will be able to get us a stable CM instance and I know they are still sacrificing time and effort into trying to provide us something.
6. I go back occasionally to my 3T to play with the latest iterations of some custom ROMs, but audio is the missing feature on the 3T.
Hope this helps you. I can't really pronounce on the other items you raised.
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Thanks. Fortunately I don't care much about camera quality. With dev stuff really I can get by as long as I can root it and have at least a stockish rom that completely works.
One thing I do like now is the ability to customize the notification LED to change colors based on different things. Would this be possible with this device?
It really infuriates me that almost all devices come out with one mono speaker. It seems like stereo speakers of any kind at least should be standard at this point. Then again I'm one who wishes these phones had physical keyboards because After seven or whatever years I still can't type worth a crap on a screen.
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
yamils said:
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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Not sure what to believe. I have also heard that OP has the worst support and ZTE's is better. I've never had any problem with any phone or needed any support really outside of me messing stuff up with rooting etc.
I saw one review from August talking about the A7's great power management. Are you saying that no longer works?
yamils said:
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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The Axon 7 has a 2 year warranty vs. 1 for the OP3T so the support argument is not clear-cut.
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The Axon 7 has a 2 year warranty vs. 1 for the OP3T so the support argument is not clear-cut.
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We are clearly talking about a different type of support.
Anyways, in my country I dont have neither OnePlus nor ZTE support so I really dont care about warranty.
effluent said:
I was set on a OnePlus 3T but this is one sale right now and I LOVE the audio capabilities of this thing. I have a rooted OP1 and have run CM for a couple years. It sounds like this phone isn't as far along as the OP3 when it comes to Roms etc... Correct? Any good Roms with everything working? One with theme customization would be nice too. Being used to perfectly working CM etc. would I regret getting this or should I go for it? Are there good Rom alternatives? I used to be one who would tinker with my phone a lot but these days I want a ROM thati like and just works and don't have to worry about it.
One other thing. It has been a long time since I've had a phone with an SD card slot. Can that storage be used as internal storage? On my Shield TV I can make one huge pool of storage with all the external storages plugged in.
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I am the same as you. Personally I don't think CM adds much compared to stock providing you already use a different launcher. I personally use blinkfeed launcher from HTC on all my phones (and it has custom theming) and I can tell you that with that I don't need any other ROM as I feel the settings menu on the Axon 7 is great. Initially the software had some mild annoyances but with the latest update I am perfectly happy (and nougat update should fix the last remaining issues in January based on what ZTE said).
I think the OP3T is also a strong device, but you would be trading off gorgeous QHD display and amazing sound with slightly better battery life, which I personally don't use, since the Axon 7 charges in 70 min.
Personally I don't feel it makes sense to buy a full HD device going into 2017, as I want to be able to use good quality VR. Also on AMOLED displays which have a pentile screen arrangement 1080p is more like 900p in terms of sharpness. QHD look more like 1200p.
The only case where I would recommend the OP3T is if you are a non VR hard-core gamer and need extra performance as 1080p display can help squeeze more performance, but in most games the difference won't be that noticeable.
yamils said:
ZTE is a ****ty company with crap software. And the community development for this device is almost non existent (except for a few guys that are doing their best with what they have).
But you get front facing speaker and great audio (with awful support, though).
ZTE is so bad as a company that they dont even let us discuss about the Nougat update. You'd think they learn something after the last update that broke the power managment of the device and couldn't fix anything since launch , but no... 3 months now since the last update and we dont get a proper fix.
So, back to topic. Go with the OP3T, you get a better device, with better support and more resell value.
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I completely agree with this guy. I'm blown away by how poorly ZTE have managed things, and their support is borderline non-existent. If the 1080p screen of the OP3/T wasn't a borderline deal breaker for me (VR) I would have attempted to return this phone. If I had to pick a phone right now I'd buy a OP3T, and that's even considering that the DAC on the A7 is a big deal for me which leads me to my next point...
You say the DAC is a big deal for you, well I should let you know that the Hi-Fi DAC it doesn't seem to work in anything but ZTE's default app which is absolute trash with less than bare-bones functionality and it's very buggy.
Edit: I forgot to clarify one point; why "1080p" is so pixelated for VR. It's because AMOLED panels are advertised as false resolutions due to a legal loophole; there isn't legal standard. They use a pentile pattern meaning they have 1/3rd less subpixels, and as much as Samsung's engineers will tell you that it effectively looks the same to the human eye, it absolutely does not, even at extreme density such as "1080p" on a 5.1" display, or even "1440p" on this 5.5" display. On flat colours I can see the pentile pattern.
yamils said:
We are clearly talking about a different type of support.
Anyways, in my country I dont have neither OnePlus nor ZTE support so I really dont care about warranty.
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For me warranty is a decision factor. The fact that ZTE offer 2 year warranty even for unlocked devices is a plus, even if I don't feel a need to unlock right now. The fact that Nougat update will be very fast coming already in January is also a plus.
Only if you are in the US, consider the Axon 7. Anywhere else, including the US, OnePlus is a reliable option.
People complain about the ZTE software. I love it. Had it for 3 days and no complaints. I live outside the US and it works fine on our 4G networks in Trinidad.
The screen and the speakers are two things the Axon 7 trumps over the OP3T. And a visual and listening experience to me is reason enough to get this phone over any other. amoled 1440p and front facing stereo speakers PLUS memory card support and a great battery? Its a no brainer, get this phone
^ I've never really had much of an issue with the cosmetics of skins. The Honor 5x I am replacing is about as heavy a skin as you can get these days and I didn't mind it. People always hate on it because it rips off Apple (ZTE does a bit of that too). Of course I found Google Now launcher, and have since move on to Action launcher, which is just awesome.
It was between the One Plus 3T and the Axon 7. The price is what ultimately did it for me. I got the A7 for $325 shipped on Jet.com, when I called to ask a question and the woman gave me a $15 off code. That's over a $100 difference in price with very comparable specs (even without the code it was going to be $340 shipped). I care about roms, but only after ZTE will EOL the phone. And with prices coming down, and value like this at around the $200-300 price point, I might not even keep it that long.
ZTE needs to make an impression on the US market. Or at least they want to. They did the hardware right this time. Now they just need to do the update dance. Honor (Huawei) committed to two years. These two brands appear very similar in software thinking and other areas. Given the Azon 7's two year warranty, I think the are probably going to also commit to two years of updates, stated or not. It only makes sense. And it also makes sense to announce that. Or anything. Maybe I missed it.
This phone is highway robbery at $325. I might have considered the $100 more if the 3T were waterproof.
Avantiel said:
People complain about the ZTE software. I love it. Had it for 3 days and no complaints. I live outside the US and it works fine on our 4G networks in Trinidad.
The screen and the speakers are two things the Axon 7 trumps over the OP3T. And a visual and listening experience to me is reason enough to get this phone over any other. amoled 1440p and front facing stereo speakers PLUS memory card support and a great battery? Its a no brainer, get this phone
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Yeah, I was happy the firts couple of weeks too.
Let us know when you start to get annoyed with the bugs.
If you want good Dev, ROM support., go with 3t. That is my biggest disappointment with the A7. This could change in the near future but it may not. Don't get me wrong, the A7 is a really good phone but if I had to choose again, I would sacrifice resolution and SD card for more Dev support.
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If you want good Dev, ROM support., go with 3t. That is my biggest disappointment with the A7. This could change in the near future but it may not. Don't get me wrong, the A7 is a really good phone but if I had to choose again, I would sacrifice resolution and SD card for more Dev support.
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I don't see much changing as far as dev support goes for the Axon. With the death of CM it becomes even more unlikely that devs are gonna pick it up for development. It's about 6 months since release now and there is barely anything for the Axon so we'll have to be really optimistic to see anything change now. The main difference here is not aftermarket support, but the support from the in house devs of OnePlus and ZTE. And OnePlus is way more mature in that aspect. Mifavour is not half as bad but it will eventually wear you down.
So, I have a Nexus 6 right now. I am looking to upgrade a bit and haven't been able to find much to work with.* Particularly with the recent price drops, the V20 looks like a decent option though. And it seems to be the last with removable battery, SD, and headphone jack for the moment. I just have a couple things to make sure on before I really go for it. Reading various threads, I think I'm right about these... This would be purchased from TMO direct, so H918...*
Looks like I can root the stock ROM, perhaps with a downgrade. Other than the very latest version, which can't be downgraded. Root is a must have, so this might be a big deal, though I doubt TMO is opening up the boxes to update the ROM. So I should get an older version I can root before updating.*
Second screen doesn't work on AOSP at the moment. I can live with that, is it just turned off?*
Are there any other missing features on AOSP? Camera, GPS, SD, etc all work? I'm more concerned about hardware working here, special LG software I'm less concerned about.*
How is the bluetooth range? If I have my N6 in a shirt pocket, headphones can cut out right now. Really irritating.*
Any other TMO/H918 issues to be concerned about?*
2nd screen is almost ready for showtime on AOSP. However you will lose access to the QUAD DAC that is a major selling point for the phone and you will lose access to the manual camera and the wide angle lense camera (although have read that certain camera apps have defaulted to the wide angle instead for some reason with no way to switch between the 2).
Bluetooth range in my experience mainly depends on the other device that you are connecting to the phone from (ie. Headset,wearable,etc). I honestly cannot tell any difference between this phone and the other various Samsung's I've had in the past.
Rom development for the stock LG firmware overall has kinda died off for this phone though with the most up to date being WETA and even he is on hiatus now as he just had a kid. I'm sure AOSP will be surging here shortly once the 2nd screen gets released as that was what was mainly holding people back from what I've read.
Thanks for the info. It seems like the DAC only works for a few apps?
I'll have to check out the stock ROM some. If it's not terrible, I might look at tweaking it some. It's been a while since I worked with that side of things though.
I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
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I know this will surely be biased, but I would still like impressions from you guys of the two phones comparatively speaking. I know the axon has more power but I like the google one experience that will come with the A1 as well as the RAM management on the A1 looked to be much better from what I’ve seen. Any other pro cons between the two?
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Software is better on the mi a1 and battery is significantly better too. Everyrthing else is better on the axon 7, I've used both.
Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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Well, we get Oreo LinageOS and Stock soon. No Treble or 4.4 Kernel but the Snapdragon 820 and the 4GB RAM (or even more) plus the fast Storage are still great performing. The A1 is mid-range. I would still buy the Axon 7 (Advanced with force Touch/3D Touch) 6Gb RAM and speedy 128Gb Internal + SD Slot and Multi-Sim + USB 3 which is blazing fast If your PC has USB 3 too.
This Phone is just amazing and i really dont need anything else yet (Maybe a Pixel 2 XL but the Prices...). Hope that helped a Bit
Oh and the Display... 1440p Daydream capable AMOLED goodness just like in a Pixel 2 XL (With even higher ppi). Still high-end
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Yeah. Hard choice. I know hardware is better on the axon, but the software and multitasking, from better memory management, on the A1 seem to make up for some of that lack. Any custom roms for the axon that are better than stock? I like a vanilla android experience.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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Well Said!
Choose an username... said:
-ZTE is about to release Stock+ which is basically a vanilla Android ROM with some added features. It's android 8 of course. The A2017U is probably gonna get it before 2018 (only 5 days left, we'll see!) while the A2017G is gonna get it around April 2018. If the A2017U ROM comes out you will probably be able to install it on an A2017G or A2017 anyways.
-You can get the Axon 7 enhanced edition if you actually find one, it comes with 6/128 and force touch. But I don't really know why you'd need better memory management. If it's because of app launch speed, then that's sort of silly since even a cold start is really fast on it. If it's to keep many apps open then just use war_mod or tweak the kernel yourself. I believe that having more than 4 gb of RAM this year and probably the next will only bring you significant gains in benchmarks, really. Normal usage won't fill the RAM unless you leave many games open, which is as silly as it gets...
-The Axon 7 is not gonna get Treble. ZTE didn't say anything but it's obviously not gonna happen officially.
-Custom ROMs are almost free of important bugs. The infamous call bug (you can't hear the other person unless you toggle speakerphone and untoggle it) is still there, or at least for some. And custom ROMs didn't use the dedicated DAC until recently. The camera quality is not exactly the same as stock, but it comes close.
-The AK4490 DAC is just glorious, no two ways about it
But really, could you explain what you mean about the better memory management? I have zero knowledge about the Mi A1. Those are just some facts about the Axon 7.
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My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
https://youtu.be/gsh_SA25gq8
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My remarks regarding the memory management are based solely on the video linked below comparing the two phones directly. You can see him open a bunch of apps on each phone and then as he switches back to them many on the axon had to reload as if they were closed upon exit. The mi A1 seemed to do much better at keeping them in ram, ready to be continued. Perhaps that’s tweakable or a setting that can be changed?
Scrub to 6:00 if you want to skip the youtuber’s blabbering...
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Will you open a bunch of apps on your daily usage and need them all open at once? I believe there are ways to lock apps and keep them loaded on RAM, but I still don't believe it is useful to have many apps loaded at once...
Take battery life for example. Having a bunch of apps loaded, many running in the background, will definitely consume more battery. That's where iOS excels, since the apps actually get stored on the sdcard instead of being kept on RAM. So they are basically frozen until you open them again. and that's why Apple phones have so little RAM, they just don't need it.
I use about 4 apps at the same time at most, and even if one of them is a game, the others won't necessarily close
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P.S. I just saw the video and realized that the Mi A1 has a 1080p LCD... It's no contest. The Axon 7 destroys it in audio, display, and I don't know about speed, haven't seen yet.
No amount of bias changes this. unless you're really interested in treble
Edit: I saw the whole video and the performamce difference is also pretty noticeable. I say you're much better off with the Axon 7. Especially if you find an Enhanced.
Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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Very good. I’m a stickler about shutting down unused apps. But do want to be able to put a few on the back shelf and then return to them as they were when I left them. The video showed the last app (racing game) having apparently closed and needing reload. However I suppose if every app there was running in actual 4K, it would consume more ram.....right?
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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
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4K? You mean 2K i guess?
Yeah, they will. But most decent games have an option to reduce resolution, so you can lower it to a more manageable 1080p and use less resources.
Again, this is all tweakable via the LMK. I guess you could even get the LMK values of the A1 and modify the Axon 7's taking them into consideration
war_mod actually frees up some RAM, so you have more available. Plus you can use zRAM to add some more.
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Yup, brain fart, 2k.
Good deal on the ram options. I was leaning pretty hard toward the axon to begin with, simply from a hardware standpoint. It appears to be pretty close to the abilities of my iPhone 6s+....at least according benchmarks.
Off to eBay to score one. Thanks guys/gals.
The closing games is more than likely from the power management settings. The Axon is a beastly bargain!
Glad to hear. Already pulled the trigger on one I found on swappa. ??
Hey guys, Ive noticed that older devices like oneplus 5t and newer devices like oneplus 7 have better developer support . However, OP6T does not seem to get such love from the devs. Why is that so??
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=80538403&postcount=3533
I'll do my best to explain my understanding:
In this current month, OnePlus is pushing out two new phones (7T and 7T Pro) and working on supporting the smart TV they just released in India. The OnePlus 6T is not their primary focus by any standard. They're busy keeping the 7 and 7T series as current as possible to push their sales. I'm not a software developer, and I don't know how big OnePlus' development team is, nor do I know what they're tasked with. I was eager to experience Android 10 on the 6T myself, but the newer devices come first in terms of software support. That's part of the reason why you don't see development moving along very quickly. For the 6T, we don't have official Android 10-based firmware or proper sources to build with. What kinda development is gonna pop up when you have no sources to work with? Not much, I'll tell ya that.
I think op is asking about custom rom support and if so there is one simple answer. There is no need because oos is THAT GOOD! Put that in your survey. And as far as custom roms go the OP 6T has quite a few good choices when compared to the 7 which has almost zero.
Short answer? It's almost a year old. In the "smartphone" world...that's old
Indisplay FP was a massive hold up on top of their quick model releases hence op6 having more options
Hi, I'm just sign in to say calm down, guys, android 10 will officially come this month, check the oneplus telegram channel. Why is this late? 3 reasons here:
Oneplus 7
Oneplus 7t (yes, newer devices always come first when it is about updates)
officially claimed errors in developing the ROM and they don't want to release a piece of sh** as other manufacturers do in order to rush updates --> they want to release an update that can give us that buttery smooth user experienxe we all got used to
Maybe this is a little shortsighted, but I think the wiping the entire device and losing your data thing scares a lot of people away from switching back and forth on this phone and probably slowed the demand down for more custom ROMs. It's very time consuming and easy to screw up if you don't do it all the time. The slow data speed of the USB-c port also plays a role in how slow it is to back up stuff to your PC and then load everything back up after.
I know other OP phones have this issue too, but combine that with the fingerprint problem and the quick release of OP phones since the 6t came out, I think you have a perfect storm of people just happy enough with OOS, and maybe jumping to the beta program.
Having come from a lot of other phone brands in the past, there is a lot less clamoring for certain custom ROMs because people actually like OOS, versus whatever Samsung, LG, or HTC put out in years past. Just my opinion though.
Google implementation is not always the best Devs try to do the best but sometimes things not help in this case the encryption by hardware plus partitions a/b and the massive headache for most people and devs trying to make things a lot easier for example look here OP6T Custom Roms everyone has different flashing instructions……make sense? And maybe One Plus is to pay the Google failures implementing things that in the long run need be reverted well this is my opinion in Android world
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Maybe this is a little shortsighted, but I think the wiping the entire device and losing your data thing scares a lot of people away from switching back and forth on this phone and probably slowed the demand down for more custom ROMs. It's very time consuming and easy to screw up if you don't do it all the time. The slow data speed of the USB-c port also plays a role in how slow it is to back up stuff to your PC and then load everything back up after.
I know other OP phones have this issue too, but combine that with the fingerprint problem and the quick release of OP phones since the 6t came out, I think you have a perfect storm of people just happy enough with OOS, and maybe jumping to the beta program.
Having come from a lot of other phone brands in the past, there is a lot less clamoring for certain custom ROMs because people actually like OOS, versus whatever Samsung, LG, or HTC put out in years past. Just my opinion though.
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I personally hate OOS - crappy UI and battery guzzler.
I cant change fonts , no theme support etc without root unlike many manufacturers like Huawei and Samsung.
Plus, the so called "speed" is not there on my phone - stock oos is laggy af
The only custom ROM that seems to work in a stable fashion (except fingerprints) is cr droid - other roms dont seem to work and always fail to install on my Oneplus 6T.
I regret buying this phone - i had the oneplus one earlier and it still has better rom support despite being obsolete.
I shall never buy a OnePlus again - maybe Samsung or Huawei it is for the next time..
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I personally hate OOS - crappy UI and battery guzzler.
I cant change fonts , no theme support etc without root unlike many manufacturers like Huawei and Samsung.
Plus, the so called "speed" is not there on my phone - stock oos is laggy af
The only custom ROM that seems to work in a stable fashion (except fingerprints) is cr droid - other roms dont seem to work and always fail to install on my Oneplus 6T.
I regret buying this phone - i had the oneplus one earlier and it still has better rom support despite being obsolete.
I shall never buy a OnePlus again - maybe Samsung or Huawei it is for the next time..
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I have to respectfully disagree. I know everyone's experience is their own and all have varying opinions on software.
However, OOS is highly regarded as one of the best "stock" Android operating systems on the market. It's very close to vanilla Android as what the pixel devices run. I've been a Nexus/pixel user since the Nexus 5 and left the Google line to check out this whole OnePlus hype that came with a smaller price tag.
I regret nothing about purchasing this phone. OOS is phenomenal. It's basically vanilla Android with subtle improvements in the UI that just make sense and create a more fluid experience without thinking about it. The RAM on this phone is ridiculous and has a ton of speed. My pixel use to get hot all the time with intense use....I can't remember the last time my 6t heated up on me (keep in mind I don't game on my phone).
As for third party development, I think we have it pretty good. There's at least 5 stable custom ROMs to choose from and hell I lost count on the kernels. I'm running skydragon ROM and easily push over 7hrs of SOT daily. Easily change system fonts and colors.
Not to mention edXposed is a thing now. You can run Xposed on stock OOS install gravity box (the king of themeing) and make your phone look ENTIRELY different.
All I'm trying to say is, we have it pretty damn good. I'll be running and crack flashing this phone for at least another year.
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I have to respectfully disagree. I know everyone's experience is their own and all have varying opinions on software.
However, OOS is highly regarded as one of the best "stock" Android operating systems on the market. It's very close to vanilla Android as what the pixel devices run. I've been a Nexus/pixel user since the Nexus 5 and left the Google line to check out this whole OnePlus hype that came with a smaller price tag.
I regret nothing about purchasing this phone. OOS is phenomenal. It's basically vanilla Android with subtle improvements in the UI that just make sense and create a more fluid experience without thinking about it. The RAM on this phone is ridiculous and has a ton of speed. My pixel use to get hot all the time with intense use....I can't remember the last time my 6t heated up on me (keep in mind I don't game on my phone).
As for third party development, I think we have it pretty good. There's at least 5 stable custom ROMs to choose from and hell I lost count on the kernels. I'm running skydragon ROM and easily push over 7hrs of SOT daily. Easily change system fonts and colors.
Not to mention edXposed is a thing now. You can run Xposed on stock OOS install gravity box (the king of themeing) and make your phone look ENTIRELY different.
All I'm trying to say is, we have it pretty damn good. I'll be running and crack flashing this phone for at least another year.
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Well maybe your phone won the silicon lottery- cuz my phone doesn't seem to be as fast as its competition.
I have the 8 gig ram model - just below the McLaren edition. It has had issues from the time I've bought it - constant lag , overheating while on oos.
I took.it.for diagnosis to oneplus service centre - they had no clue as to what was happening!
Then, what i decided to.do was to search for custom ROMs . I found that there were no stable ROMs and i had to bear the stock rom till i found a semi stable build of cr droid. What i feel is that ever since oneplus has released this specific phone, they have gone lax on software and have stopped actually innovating (not in terms of hardware, in terms of their initial outreach for solid budget friendly nexus esque devices that have unfortunately imo now bloated into the expensive POS gimmicks they sell now.)
Just in case you want to know what oos i had , i had oos 9.0.10. I couldn't even play any YouTube or audio, forget phonecalls.
But that might not.be the case for you - chinese phones tend to follow this trend of lottery and maybe the way people use their phones varies.
Haha, there is plenty of development. Those talking about Huawei and Samsung, buy one of their new phones and see how much development there is....
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Haha, there is plenty of development. Those talking about Huawei and Samsung, buy one of their new phones and see how much development there is....
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Atleast their phones can play youtube on stock rom ha ha
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Well maybe your phone won the silicon lottery- cuz my phone doesn't seem to be as fast as its competition.
I have the 8 gig ram model - just below the McLaren edition. It has had issues from the time I've bought it - constant lag , overheating while on oos.
I took.it.for diagnosis to oneplus service centre - they had no clue as to what was happening!
Then, what i decided to.do was to search for custom ROMs . I found that there were no stable ROMs and i had to bear the stock rom till i found a semi stable build of cr droid. What i feel is that ever since oneplus has released this specific phone, they have gone lax on software and have stopped actually innovating (not in terms of hardware, in terms of their initial outreach for solid budget friendly nexus esque devices that have unfortunately imo now bloated into the expensive POS gimmicks they sell now.)
Just in case you want to know what oos i had , i had oos 9.0.10. I couldn't even play any YouTube or audio, forget phonecalls.
But that might not.be the case for you - chinese phones tend to follow this trend of lottery and maybe the way people use their phones varies.
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Hi, McLaren user here.
Before buying this device I was using Pixel 2XL, my 6T destroys it completely in performance, I know 835 vs 845 isn't a fair comparison, but the difference is too much to blame the processor, a thing as simple as taking a picture is an extremely slow process in my Pixel because when I open the camera app I have to wait 3-4 seconds to take the picture (The app opens, but the viewfinder is black and the shutter button can't be pressed) while with this device it's: open the camera and the app is ready to take the picture, and the performance in general (Transitions, apps opening, etc, etc) is much better on this device, I don't remember having lag or some kind of slowdown on this device (You should never say never, but I think that this case could be an exception), I'm not a "light" user, I use my device for work, studies and life in general.
I only remember one episode of overheating and it was my fault (Summer, the device was charging and I had the great idea of playing asfalt 8, yes you can call me dumb lol). Maybe it's a hardware problem? It seems too strange to me, I know many people with this device and the only problems in common are: The terrible memory management that OOS does, and the quality of the camera.
Regarding custom roms: for almost two months I was using AOSIP 9 + Neutrino, and I was very happy, I even had the feeling that the fingerprint sensor worked better in that rom than in OOS and the memory management great (A huge amount of apps loaded in memory without any problem, that was a pleasure), a week ago I flashed AOSIP 10 and I was quite surprised, obviously it was not as stable as 9 but I was expecting something worse sincerely, I went back to OOS because the safetynet failed and I use Google Pay quite often, but ignoring that problem I think I could use it as a daily driver without major problems.
I think my comments seem very pro-OnePlus but my experience with this device is very good, and as I said before I find the problems you have very strange, maybe you should send the device to OnePlus again, saying that you have some super strange problem or something so so weird like: hey, my device starts lagging and then shuts down randomly, I don't know, maybe you are lucky and they send you a new one.
Edit: Answering the main thread question:
The OnePlus 6 had many users, and the 6 > 6T change was not a great evolution, then the 7 and 7Pro were released, so many switched to that device.
In addition, the on-screen fingerprint sensor was something new, Android did not support it natively and each OEM opted for its own implementation, OnePlus made a somewhat strange implementation by calling it somehow, phhusson did reverse engineering of the Xiaomi HAL and made great contributions to this device, that helped a lot, but perhaps those contributions came too late, OnePlus 7 was very close to being launched and many people were waiting for it to make the swtich.
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Hi, McLaren user here.
Before buying this device I was using Pixel 2XL, my 6T destroys it completely in performance, I know 835 vs 845 isn't a fair comparison, but the difference is too much to blame the processor, a thing as simple as taking a picture is an extremely slow process in my Pixel, and the performance in general (Transitions, apps opening, etc, etc) is much better on this device, I don't remember having lag or some kind of slowdown on this device (You should never say never, but I think that this case could be an exception), I'm not a "light" user, I use my device for work, studies and life in general.
I only remember one episode of overheating and it was my fault (Summer, the device was charging and I had the great idea of playing asfalt 8, yes you can call me dumb lol). Maybe it's a hardware problem? It seems too strange to me, I know many people with this device and the only problems in common are: The terrible memory management that OOS does, and the quality of the camera.
Regarding custom roms: for almost two months I was using AOSIP 9 + Neutrino, and I was very happy, I even had the feeling that the fingerprint sensor worked better in that rom than in OOS and the memory management great (A huge amount of apps loaded in memory without any problem, that was a pleasure), a week ago I flashed AOSIP 10 and I was quite surprised, obviously it was not as stable as 9 but I was expecting something worse sincerely, I went back to OOS because the safetynet failed and I use Google Pay quite often, but ignoring that problem I think I could use it as a daily driver without major problems.
I think my comments seem very pro-OnePlus but my experience with this device is very good, and as I said before I find the problems you have very strange, maybe you should send the device to OnePlus again, saying that you have some super strange problem or something so so weird like: hey, my device starts lagging and then shuts down randomly, I don't know, maybe you are lucky and they send you a new one.
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Hmm your suggestion sounds right - lemme try contacting the OnePlus service centre again.
I honestly love the look and feel of the OnePlus 6T ( i have the mirror black- almost similar to McLaren except for the lack of orange shimmer) but the constant lag and overheating made me write such a negative view of the device.
Plus , sadly the dev scene is not so hot as their older phone ( Remember OnePlus One - how cool the modding scene was for that phone )