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Is there software that will tell me my Longitude and Latitude either via wifi or cell reception?
both are means to connecting to something that something have to sendt those positions back you can compare wifi and gprs/edge/umts as usb cables which are just long range and wireless and in some cases you pay for using
they can only send you data which data depend on which services they provide
and of cause internet but internet knows no locations alone
well is there software that can estimate, based on wifi(location of the router)?
only if the router knows and provide it's location
software is just a list of requests to and from users and services
it cant get any infomation not provided by some source
so there is nothing that will use wifi or cell reception? Damn. Can google earth do it?
try looking here for the feature
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gsm+positioning&btnG=Search&lr=lang_da|lang_en
Google Maps can estimate your position (within about 1500 feet on my Treo 750), but that is because it identifies the cell towers you are connecting to and compares it to a database that Google has built/is building that has the locations of these towers. AFAIK there is no publicly available database that anyone can use.
As far as mapping by WiFi access points, there has been some talk of this being done in the future, but I don't see it being feasible.
turns out my carrier doesn't allow the use of this via cell tower.
I could be wrong, but I don't think this is carrier dependent. I think Google Maps just reads the cell tower you're connected with from the phone's OS and then compares it to Google's database. Their database is self-created -- when you opt to use the 'My Location' feature you have to agree to allow Google to collect information on which towers you are connecting to so they can enhance their database.
Perhaps your carrier is blocking the phone from uniquely identifying the cell site. I'm not too sure about the technical side of what happens between the phone and the tower when you are registered on a network... maybe someone more knowledgeable than I could clarify this.
FWIW I'm on T-Mobile (US) and it works great.
i believe it is
all i believe that googlemap server can see is
the cellphone operators gateways ip
so on it's own i dont believe it can see which
tower it's comming from
same reason why people can use unlocked wifi network to do crime
and it looks like it's the wifi router owner who do it
Does each cell tower have a unique IP?
no each tower are not even connect to the internet thats the issue
unless the owner of all the towers pass on location along with data
servers on the internet only see 1! gateway as all traffic comming from
the phonecompany
I am connecting via wifi, but my cell provider blocked their cell tower from accepting software like this, because they want you to use their service for a fee. However, they only offer it on their certain phones and WM, BB or even Palm are not included.
Who is your provider?
VZW. I think it is a cdma thing as my friend with a Mogul on Sprint has the same issue. Unless it is a carrier thing?
I just did some reading on Google's discussion boards and it sounds like you are right about Verizon disabling this capability. I think they must disable it on the phone though, they would rather make you pay for their Navigator service. There was one guy who said he had it working on a BlackBerry on VZW. FWIW it sounds like Sprint is doing the same thing.
Boo Verizon for loading BS feature-blocking firmware on all their phones.
what about this one?
http://www.loki.com/how-it-works/determining-location.html
well my buddy with a Mogul also has his disable or what not.
The reason I can't see WiFi positioning being feasible is they will never map out enough APs to make it worthwhile. IP positioning is very inaccurate, and WiFi SSIDs are duplicated enormously, so they would have to build up a database of APs' MAC addresses. I can't imagine too many people are going to volunteer their MAC, so it would have to rely on wardriving, and honestly, how many APs don't have encryption these days?
I tried loki and it seems like its not working eventhough I am in their coverage area. Odd.
I agree wifi is not the best option, I'd rather see cell reception stuff growing more. That is along side with GPS if your phone does not support gps.
First off I apologize for digging the topic of Softbank up, believe me I know its be discussed to death, but I have a slightly different angle: Prepaid Data.
I've gotten MMS working fine (props to xda-devs and BeeGee on that one). Internet though, it seems, uses slightly different proxy settings (or there is an entirely unknown APN). I've spent the last few days becoming immersed in the entire discussion.
Because this is PREPAID, the flat rate information obviously does not apply as there is no flat rate for prepaid AFAIK. If I use the flat rate info (or CABs) I can't establish a data connection (and get an error).
BUT After trying tons of combos I can _almost_ access the Internet via my phone. Connecting the phone to a PC and troubleshooting it reveals I can get full DNS resolution when using:
APN: mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp
Username: softbank
Password: <starts with a 'qce' and so forth>
I can't actually connect to anything directly though.
I can open up a port to 8080 to vfkkwapproxy.vodafone.ne.jp and it appears to be a HTTP/WAP proxy. However if I specify that as my HTTP proxy on the phone or PC I get this error:
お客様の端末からはご利用になれません。
(WJ46140E)
The error actually varies depending on the browser. The above is FF for the PC. Opera and IE for the phone will give slightly different numbers.
If I try to do a data connection using the following APNs:
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
I can't establish a data connection, but using the mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp info above I can (which is also what I use for functioning MMS).
Perhapse its the wrong APN I'm using and the blocking is just a symptom of that APN/proxy only allowing MMS? Or I wonder if there is some other proxy information I need to use for the prepaid USIM and it will suddenly work.
Its such a tease that DNS will resolve any domain name (www.cnn.com, etc) but blocks actual connections
Anyone have any ideas?
I was thinking that perhaps someone here had the non-flat rate proxy information that was different from the [email protected] stuff I had been trying, too.
Any help would be appreciated, I feel like I'm so close to totally winning the war against Softbank ...
+1... if someone could get the right settings that'll be great. going to Japan again in a couple of weeks and would really like working 3g internet...
Siiigh
I've done a ton of testing with the APNs. (Again this is for a prepaid USIM) Here is what doesn't work. I'm hiding all but the first letters of the passwords because you can find them easily somewhere else.
Code:
APN Username Pass Status
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softbank error
softbank [email protected] softbank error
softbank [email protected] softbank error
softbank [email protected] c29m********* error
open.softbank.ne.jp opensoftbank ebMN************ error
open.softbank.ne.jp softbank qcef************ error
open.softbank.ne.jp opensoftbank qcef************ error
open.softbank.ne.jp open001softbank itTA************ error
open.softbank.ne.jp open ozRt************ error
webopen.softbank.ne.jp softbank qcef************ error
vodafone [email protected] vodafone error
open.softbank.ne.jp softbank ozRt************ error
vodafone [email protected] vodafone error
vodafone [email protected] vodafone error
[email protected] vodafone error
[email protected] vodafone error
[email protected] softbank error
[email protected] softbank error
[email protected] error
error
vodafone error
*99# [email protected] softbank error
*99# [email protected] softbank error
*99# softbank softbank error
*99# softbank qcef************ error
*99# error
[email protected] vodafone error
[email protected] softbank error
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp softbank qcef************ connects, MMS only
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp error
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp [email protected] softbank error
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp softbank softbank error
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp opensoftbank qcef************ error
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp [email protected] qcef************ error
mailwebservice.vodafone.ne.jp vodafone qcef************ error
mailwebservice.vodafone.ne.jp softbank qcef************ error
I did what I consider to be about as comprehensive attack on the proxies I've seen on the internet for softbank as well as trying some combos just for the hell of it while connected to the mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp APN.
Code:
Proxies using the mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp APN (Which allows MMS)
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sbwapproxy.softbank.ne.jp:8080 error WJ46140E
webopen.softbank.ne.jp:8080 timeout
vfkkmmsproxy.vodafone.ne.jp:8080 error
vfkkwapproxy.softbank.ne.jp:8080 unresolveable
vfkkwapproxy.vodafone.ne.jp:8080 error WJ46140E - forbidden
sbkkwapproxy.softbank.ne.jp:8080 unresolveable
sbwapproxy.softbank.ne.jp:8080 error WJ46140E
mmsopen.softbank.ne.jp:8080 error WJ46086E
smilemms.softbank.ne.jp:8080 error
sbmmsproxy.softbank.ne.jp:8080 error WJ46086E
mailwebservice.softbank.ne.jp:8080 unresolveable
mailwebservice.vodafone.ne.jp:8080 unresolveable
The errors I get are actually HTML content that comes from the proxy. There are two codes with associated text with them, my friend has translated them for me.
WJ46086E: エラーが発生しました。リクエストが不正です。means; an error has happen. Your request is injustice.
WJ46140E: お客様の端末からはご利用になれません。means; with your phone(type of phone) you can use it.
The last one makes me think if I play with the User-agent I might get it working. Trying that next, but if that is the case I find it unlikely that anything except for Opera or other spoofing-enabled browser will work (so no Facebook app, weather widgets, YouTube, etc etc).
I'm less than hopeful as well because the Softbank store assured me the phones they do sell /w prepaid USIMs don't have web browsers or any way to access the Internet - but you can connect via USB and do it with a laptop. Meaning there should be no restrictions.
Interesting - Change your settings with non-softbank Y!Keitai button
Went through and tried a bunch of different User-agents with no luck:
SoftBank/1.0/934SH/SHJ001/SN359416021923029 Browser/NetFront/3.5 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
SoftBank/1.0/920SH/SHJ001 Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
SoftBank/1.0/930SC/SCJ001/SN355159020117946 Browser/NetFront/3.4
SoftBank/1.0/830N/NJ002/SN356756020446453 Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
SoftBank/1.0/730SC/SCJ001/SN356756020446453 Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
SoftBank/1.0/730SC/SCJ001 Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
SoftBank/1.0/X05HT/HTJ001 Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows CE; *HTC/X04HT*) Opera 9.50
Then I figured, well the 707SC is a model sold /w prepaid and tried:
SoftBank/1.0/707SC/SCJ001 Browser/NetFront/3.4 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1
(using the vfkkwapproxy.vodafone.ne.jp:8080 proxy)
And I stumbled on a way to access the Keitai/Settings page normally only accessible by hitting the "Y!" button on real softbank phones.
Any URL will pull up the settings page, prompting for PIN and letting you adjust your email address and other settings. This means there is no need to bring in a non-Softbank phone with USIM to a Softbank store to change your email address (via having them put the USIM into one of their demo phones, you changing your settings and returning your USIM).
.... Which is pretty cool, but a) I already had them change my address and b) unfortunately this hardly helps me get Internet access.
But I found it interesting.
The site ultimately redirects to this as a base URL: http://nocharge/GATEWAY/
I tried a few variations but didn't stumble on anything except error messages.
At this point I'm ready to give up, but am posting these combos so if someone does stumble across something they can check to see if I've tried it.
I may try attacking the "nocharge" site a bit, but I find it unlikely to yield anything useful in getting me real access.
Sigh.
User Name
This thread awakened long-forgotten memories of an article seen years ago.
http://thomer.com/howtos/nstx.html
Maybe useful.
Interesting
Hmm, definitely a good idea. No ICMP is let through it seems, but DNS definitely does work.
The main issue to leveraging this is that I need a Windows Mobile client for it to work. I'm not interested in using my phone as a modem /w a laptop (which I bet I could get working with Linux). I want Internet on the phone itself to work.
Softbank doesn't appear to allow DNS queries to other servers aside from theirs otherwise I could do some dirty port 53 proxying on one of my own servers.
I'm going to keep digging along these lines and see what I can find.
Even if you get this to work, won't you be paying the ridiculously expensive tethered data rates that apply for prepaid cards, i.e. 16 yen/6 seconds, which would drain a 3000 yen prepaid card down to zero in less than 20 minutes?
Nope
Not with what I'm trying to do, no. I'd be using the MMS APN (because that is the only one which I've been able to connect to) which is flat 300/yen per month.
Also, the data rate is not _that_ expensive. I worked it out to be around 700/Yen per MB. Yes its not cheap, but seriously moving that much data is not my plan. Just some mobile sites and what not. "Just to have it in case". I don't plan on uploading pictures and video to Facebook, etc.
Also right now I'm faced with _losing_ most of my 3,000 yen calling credit because its going to expire after 2 months. All I do is MMS, which is a flat rate of 300 yen per month. But credit expires after 2 months, so ...
I think basically its a non-starter though. ICMP traffic is blocked and while I can get _SOME_ DNS traffic through it does not appear to be enough to use wmiod and iodine (the only TCP via DNS tool I've found with a WindowsMobile client). Here is what I've tried: http://www.it.teithe.gr/~kontam/#
I can see the DNS requests come through to my server but the client reports a general error on handshake. Looking at the source code to the WM client it looks like basically its not getting anything back (though I can see my server is sending it). It would appear that Softbank is stripping off the data to the R-types this tool uses.
Its a shame though, I'd happily pay a higher rate for data. Its just nobody seems to know the APN info for prepaid cards. I know its possible as its listed as a feature on the Softbank website and catalogs -- but they say of course "only on Softbank phones". Which means again, some hidden username, password and APN.
Why would I happily pay such a high rate? I had a rental phone here last year for 2.5 months and it cost me about $400. I don't want to sign a contract as I'm here for 3.5 months this year (and only have a temp stay visa). So if I can stay under like 15,000 JPY per month, I'm still technically 'ahead' ... and using my Touch Pro is way better than the cr*ppy rental phone.
B-mobile sells a prepaid sim-card for data access (8400 yen, 500 minutes). You'd have to sim-swap whenever you wanted to use it, but it may be an easier option. They also have a prepaid, no-contract, 3G USB data modem, whose sim card may also work for you.
http://www.bmobile.ne.jp/android/index.html
http://www.bmobile.ne.jp/english/3g.html
trolld said:
Its just nobody seems to know the APN info for prepaid cards. I know its possible as its listed as a feature on the Softbank website and catalogs -- but they say of course "only on Softbank phones". Which means again, some hidden username, password and APN.
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Could you point out where you saw this being listed as possible? I never saw this listed anywhere, but never looked very hard, either. I have the latest Softbank handset catalog in front of me now (Autumn 2009) and if I'm reading p. 35 correctly, it says you can't use web on the prepaid plan. It says that "data transfer" is possible, but I guess this refers to the USB modem (tethering) capability.
According to this page, [email protected] should work for prepaid data access:
http://www.japanmobile.jp/product/229
halogen-9000 said:
According to this page, [email protected] should work for prepaid data access:
http://www.japanmobile.jp/product/229
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Definitely does not work, was one of the first things I tried (and just tried again as well).
I updated my list of non-working APN/Username/Password combos on the first page of this thread.
I am tempted to call SoftBank one last time and tell them I have one of those handsets and internet isn't working. They swear there is nothing to 'enable' for Internet to work but I wonder if that isn't the truth and there is some switch they need to throw (and hadn't because I don't have an SB phone).
halogen-9000 said:
Could you point out where you saw this being listed as possible? I never saw this listed anywhere, but never looked very hard, either. I have the latest Softbank handset catalog in front of me now (Autumn 2009) and if I'm reading p. 35 correctly, it says you can't use web on the prepaid plan. It says that "data transfer" is possible, but I guess this refers to the USB modem (tethering) capability.
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I believe its saying tethering only because the pre-paid phones are not advanced enough to browse the web on there own. It has to be going through the same process though, unless I'm missing something.
trolld said:
I believe its saying tethering only because the pre-paid phones are not advanced enough to browse the web on there own. It has to be going through the same process though, unless I'm missing something.
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I don't think this is correct. My prepaid can browse HTML files fine if I copy them to the phone. I suspect that I can't actually connect to the net from the phone because SB locked it down in the phone somehow (I can't get to the network settings menu to check anything).
Now, two interesting things.
1. I think if I subscribe to unlimited mail service, I will be able to connect to a limited series of web pages from the phone itself, to set up mail settings. But I'm pretty sure I won't have full internet access, because the manual says so. As I said, maybe SB locked down the phone with some crippled network settings. Since it's locked I can't play around with the settings myself.
2. If I tether to my PC using the provided software and USB cable, it uses the [email protected] access point (that's what the PC software shows). I suspect I will have full internet access, because the manual implies so (but at a horrendously expensive time-based, not volume-based, rate).
Now the funny thing is, if tethering uses [email protected] and can get full Internet access (mind you, I didn't test this), then why can't you do that from your phone?
Maybe the PC-based tethering software is doing some hanky-panky to get the connection going.
I think a prepaid deal like the b-mobile I mentioned earlier might be easier. However reading more closely, the b-mobile android sim card says you're only supposed to use it in a GDD phone, not other phones. Caveat emptor.
Would be interested to know if you get this going, but I still think it's gonna drain your prepaid balance faster than you can say "Oto-san".
P.S. Supposedly in January 2010 the carriers will be required by law to provide network connection settings to allow third party phones on their network.
halogen-9000 said:
P.S. Supposedly in January 2010 the carriers will be required by law to provide network connection settings to allow third party phones on their network.
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Wow!!! this is gr8 news ....is it applicable to Japan?
where did u learn of it...interesting...
Do a google search for "in 2010, Japanese law is forcing the carriers". I'm looking for more information on this, myself, but I've heard it from a lot of places.
halogen-9000 said:
Do a google search for "in 2010, Japanese law is forcing the carriers". I'm looking for more information on this, myself, but I've heard it from a lot of places.
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Yeah not much info about it on the internet. But lets keep our fingers crossed and hope such laws are changed. Will make life lot easier for people like us...
Heh
Yeah I heard about the 2010 thing, unfortunately it won't help me this time around (only in Tokyo until Dec 15th, then back to Thailand). I'm sure I'll be back in Nihon again next year though most likely, so hopefully then
Hal: Interesting but I don't see how it could do anything that couldn't be done on the phone. Are you in Tokyo?
I'm back in the USA right now on a 1 week visit, but will be returning next week.
trolld said:
Hal: Interesting but I don't see how it could do anything that couldn't be done on the phone.
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True, but if it's sending a magic word that is not to be found anywhere outside of the PC tethering software, it could require sniffing the wire/analyzing the program, both of which seem rather tedious.
Have a look here for the files:
http://jp.samsungmobile.com/pc/en/lineup/707_2download.html
Are you in Tokyo?
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We regret to inform you that the information you requested is released only on a "need to know" basis.
Still, if there are any questions you think I might be able to answer, give me a holler here... I'm nothing but an interested prepaid user, however.
No luck
Well, I charged up my prepaid phone and did some tests. Results are not encouraging.
1. I had to apply for long mail service first.
2. Then, from the SB phone I was able, for the first time, to access an online mail settings page from the phone's built-in browser: i.e. limited web access. However the phone denied arbitrary URL access with an error page saying I could only access the pages for my mail settings.
3. The Samsung PC tethering software recognizes the phone, tries to use the [email protected] access point, but fails to connect to the Internet at all. It tries to dial, then an error appears both on the phone and the PC that the connection was severed.
All in all, this basically confirms exactly what you discovered.
This page pretty clearly says it is impossible to access the Internet from prepaid plans: http://forum.gaijinpot.com/showthread.php?p=590486#post590486
This is in line with the general SB statement of "no web on prepaids".
The *only* concrete evidence I have that tethered access is supposed to work is the "Softbank prepaid service guide 3G" from 1 year ago which explicitly says on p. 78, in English, "Data communication - connect handset to PC via USB cable to use it as a modem. Handset + cable -> Establish an Internet connection for PC use / Data communication rate: \16(with tax)/6 seconds".
If I wanted to complain I could try to take that manual as evidence, with my phone and USB cable, and demand that they show me how it works. However I expect that would be pointless and they would just say, "sorry, the manual is wrong, it doesn't work" - which is basically the result we've found so far.
I would love to be proven wrong on this, but I'm not sure I see much hope.
EDIT: Reading p. 35 of the prepaid service manual in Japanese, it seems that 2 items were lost in translation to English on p. 78. The original Japanese says (a) "64K/UDI" data transmission is possible and (b) Usable from APPLICABLE HANDSETS. Therefore, this "data" seems to be NOT 3G data, but "64K/UDI" data, whatever that is. And your handset has to support it, which mine apparently doesn't. Maybe this can shed some more light on the situation.
Hello All,
I found a free VPN service via:
"NEW FORUM MEMBER WITH LESS THAN 8 POSTS. URL's NOT ALLOWED!!!!!"
And what I'd like to know is this. When I launch Firefox and search one of the "what is my IP location" web sites I get info that say's it is generated in the U.S..
However, when I go to Android market to get a U.S. specific app it says I'm outside U.S. and cannot download it?
Where is the issue in that Android market sees me outside U.S.?
Thank you.
Could it be linked to the account you use to sign into market?
That's a good question. So your suggesting verifying that all info contains "United States" as per account information?
I'm wondering that even with the SIM card removed and a VPN to the U.S. if this still will work? I know I can access U.S. web sites, but I think that the software still looks at the VLR/HLR records cause the phone is still active w/o SIM because of 911 laws in and outside the U.S.. Thus it's still actively connected to the HW even though a sim isn't in place. This still, then, makes the network available to the Nexus S.
free vpn
ohh really but where can i found the free vpn
Suomalainen said:
That's a good question. So your suggesting verifying that all info contains "United States" as per account information?
I'm wondering that even with the SIM card removed and a VPN to the U.S. if this still will work? I know I can access U.S. web sites, but I think that the software still looks at the VLR/HLR records cause the phone is still active w/o SIM because of 911 laws in and outside the U.S.. Thus it's still actively connected to the HW even though a sim isn't in place. This still, then, makes the network available to the Nexus S.
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I think google will know where the account is registered,dont know if you could create an account using your VPN connection to fake where it coming from? Where did you get your free VPN?
VPN= bfvpn.com. Turn off all location services. Turn off all data services with GSM network operator. Turn off handset. Insert U.S. issued sim card. Dead or alive. Power up handset. Establish Wifi connection. Establish VPN connection. There you go... YOu have now arrived to the U.S.A..................
I turn on my Galaxy today and suddenly my sim unlocked phone is simlocked again. WTF?
Samsung/Google put a damn remote control for network providers into Android.
Network providers can change our settings and override our own settings and who knows what else.
On my dumbphone and on my hsdpa modem the network is unable to override my settings like on Android.
If this kind of remote control would be inside Windows, there would be mass protests.
I think this is caused by a software like CarrierIQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarrierIQ
Yes, samsung is remotely changing your APN settings just to see how you will react. They noticed how annoyed you were, so they decided to simlock your phone again, that sure was hilarious, gave them a good laugh, so they tried it again the day after. They keep pictures of angry customers (ofcourse secretly taken with the cam on your phone) on their walls and throw darts at them. Wherever the dart lands, that customer will get a random new APN configured.
You are lucky though, samsung also changes your sms tone to fart sounds when you are not looking. Also, setting your alarm clock to 2 AM is one of their better random pranks, so be sure to check your alarm every night before you go to sleep.
In the sticky thread of this forum:
"[SC-02C] Japan NTT DoCoMo Galaxy S II Users"
I quote what they write:
"Its suspected that turning the built-in tether feature switches you invisibly to a different APN which generates an increase on the bill."
Yeah, so samsung MUST be changing APN settings remotely. I told you they were pranksters
Boeboe said:
Yeah, so samsung MUST be changing APN settings remotely. I told you they were pranksters
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Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_IQ
Samsung is not a network operator.
I'll see your carrier IQ and raise you Carrier IQ Detector.
Oh, you are not American? Only God knows why you mentioned Carrier IQ then
Still, I thought Carrier IQ could only be used for stat collection, not for remotely changing random settings. Thanks for the info!
Also, yes, I am a complete noob at being a clown. If only I could learn from a clown master
About this software:
Apple, HTC and Samsung said the software was installed on their phones. Apple said it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5. Apple said it would scrub the software from phones in some future release. HTC said, it was required on its devices by a "number of U.S. carriers." Nokia and Research in Motion said it categorically was not authorized for their phones. However, this does not prevent mobile carriers from installing it after the phone is manufactured. According to the company's website the software is also installed on NEC mobile devices, and the company has a partnership with Vodafone Portugal.
On December 1, 2011, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile confirmed it was on their phones.
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarrierIQ
I readed wiki article mostly... So is there any cure against this? Some program or removal tool
I know that they collect some data information, but if they starting keylogging, then...
kureke said:
I readed wiki article mostly... So is there any cure against this? Some program or removal tool
I know that they collect some data information, but if they starting keylogging, then...
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The network operators can change the settings of the OS.
I quote again from the other thread:
"Its suspected that turning the built-in tether feature switches you invisibly to a different APN which generates an increase on the bill."
Activate wifi network and deactivate mobile network, edit your APN's and see if changes with your wifi network. If it does, you have a problem with the software of your mobile phone. If it doesn't call the ghost-buster!!
v1c70r said:
Activate wifi network and deactivate mobile network, edit your APN's and see if changes with your wifi network. If it does, you have a problem with the software of your mobile phone. If it doesn't call the ghost-buster!!
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He wrote "invisibly".
Invisibly means that what you have set in your settings is irrelevant.
He's talking about tethering.
When you tether, you lose wifi connectivity, because your phone needs to act as an AP.
Boeboe said:
He's talking about tethering.
When you tether, you lose wifi connectivity, because your phone needs to act as an AP.
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What you wrote is not related to what I am writing about.
I am writing about 3G network settings and network operator control over them.
Wifi and 3G are two different things.
APNs are set for 3G, not Wifi.
He writes that the 3G APN changes.
Nobody is writing about wifi losing connectivity, except you.
How did you notice it changed the first time if it happened "invisibly", but can't see if it happens again on wifi?
legion1911 said:
I turn on my Galaxy today and suddenly my sim unlocked phone is simlocked again. WTF?
And other times I noticed my APN invisibly change.
Samsung/Google put a damn remote control for network operators into android.
They can change our settings and override our own settings and who knows what else.
I thought Android is a free, open OS. We root the device and do all kinds of stuff but Samsung/Google have given control on the OS to the network operators.
If this kind of remote control would be inside Windows, there would be mass protests.
This OS is remote controlled by the network operators.
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The reason for the argument is that your 1st post is somewhat misleading, how exactly they changed your apn settings? also why you bring up carrier iq? that software is for logging not remote controlling...
First HTC now Samsung? Really wtf :/
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Bonestack said:
How did you notice it changed the first time if it happened "invisibly", but can't see if it happens again on wifi?
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I explain in more detail. There are two APNs on my network provider.
One has a network speed limitation, one does not have it.
I of course use the one without the speed limitation.
ONLY ON MY ANDROID PHONE (on my dumbphone and on my hsdpa modem this never happens), the network operator DISCONNECTs my connection with my APN, and the phone re-connects to hspa+ with the different APN. Invisibly means that the APN in my settings is the same I put, (the one without speed cap).
But I notice I am on the other APN, because I see the network disconnection and I notice the reconnection with speed limitation.
This speed limitation or speed cap is visible on my speed meter (netlimiter program).
Sesshou said:
The reason for the argument is that your 1st post is somewhat misleading, how exactly they changed your apn settings? also why you bring up carrier iq? that software is for logging not remote controlling...
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As the other contributor explained:
"Its suspected that turning the built-in tether feature switches you invisibly to a different APN which generates an increase on the bill."
He notices it from the increase in the phone bill.
I notice it from the disconnection of my hspa+ connection and the re-connection with the APN with speed limitation. I can see the speed limitation clearly on my program "netlimiter".
And, this never happens on my dumbphone and on my hsdpa modem, only on Android.
I bring up carrieriq because it is an example of a program the network providers put on android to do stuff without our approval.
envioustitan08 said:
First HTC now Samsung? Really wtf :/
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I quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CarrierIQ
"On December 1, 2011, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile confirmed it was on their phones."
"Sprint said, "We collect enough information to understand the customer experience with devices on our network and how to address any connection problems" ... "The information collected is not sold and we don't provide a direct feed of this data to anyone outside of Sprint.""
"Apple, HTC and Samsung said the software was installed on their phones. "
"Apple said it had quit supporting the application in iOS 5. "
"Nokia and Research in Motion said it categorically was not authorized for their phones. However, this does not prevent mobile carriers from installing it after the phone is manufactured."
"According to the company's website the software is also installed on NEC mobile devices, and the company has a partnership with Vodafone Portugal."
Dude carrier IQ aint gonna change sh*t on your phone besides your not even in the US ... If your worried so much install CM 7 which is cq free and check !
I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
xplus93 said:
I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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I believe the company that made Magic Jack tried to do this, and got lawsuits off the ying yang by Phone companies. So it definitely is possible. How difficult it is going to be to do this is beyond my level of intellect.
I thought I had responded to this but it is going to be hard. Very very hard. First and foremost those devices are built for one thing changing that functionality is going to be hard. I'm sure it already has a unique tower id, the problem is changing the routing. It is probably hard coded in how to route calls, changing that is going to be difficult, and I be the protocol is proprietary and encrypted.
The next thing is the legal aspect, the frequencies they operate on are private, as in we can't use them.
xplus93 said:
I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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I work for the Corporate Technical Support Team for these devices. Basically there is not much you can do with it. There are some neat features inside of the device which you can mess with extending the range, and Allowing more users than normally allowed. But the device, built by Ericsson is made specifically to connect to one Sprint tower within 15 miles of your home location, once authorized it outputs an EVDO signal for your phone. Everything else is done by your internet. Flashing a PRL won't do anything but brick it, since Verizon does not carry this product, and the GSM Giants have a different version of it that will not authenticate. So creating a personal network is not really a viable option.
Just like a vonage box or any other VoIP device, it has to authenticate somehow. The only thing I see even remotely possible is that you can [maybe] alter the devices firmware to allow multiple authentication channels. Even still the data would be reported to Airvana, Sprint, and Ericsson and it would probably term your service. Same thing when people flash phones over to the Verizon PRL. It gets noticed quickly, and Sprint will proactively cancel your account if there is anything fishy.
My only recommendation to you is that you buy one outright, not connected to any account, and then begin the modding experiements.
I am to assume you have the Airvana AP, or do you have the Samsung Airave?
voip with mobile phone is blocked by our profiders in the netherlands >.<
Voip
I setup voip on my LG Vortex vs660, all you need is groove ip and google voice and one legit# just get a walmart prepay phone register with that number then get ur phone# from google and don't port anthing. Add voice to ur regular phone and then on the google voice site have your calls forwarded to your gmail address and that will be attached to your regular phone. You can then use whatever network ur on to take in/out calls on the data network. All you need is wifi to make and takes calls, why the attn? I have an inactive non activated phone and I'm on mediacom's network with topped out 1ghz upstream which is plenty for decent quality calls. More up is better but work wit what u have. If you need help or need info on setup in detail let me know I wrote an 18 page paper on the subject, just an indepth view that will explain everything and whqt settings to use. Get ahold of me if you need it.
xplus93 said:
I have a really off the wall question here. Since the airave is basically a short range cellular antennae I assume that it would be possible to program what it broadcasts. Would it be possible to modify the airave so that it connects to and broadcasts normal cable or dsl internet so that it can be accessed by the phones connected to it, and would it also be possible to program it to use either the landline or voip service, preferably google voice. Then couldn't we write a custom PRL to only connect to our airave, and have the airave set to a unique tower ID so it wont conflict with official towers?
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The custom prl would be on the phone. Basically i want to use it and my old sprint phone as a super fancy high tech cordless phone system for my house. Apparently as i thought its locked down tight.
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I work for the Corporate Technical Support Team for these devices. Basically there is not much you can do with it. There are some neat features inside of the device which you can mess with extending the range, and Allowing more users than normally allowed. But the device, built by Ericsson is made specifically to connect to one Sprint tower within 15 miles of your home location, once authorized it outputs an EVDO signal for your phone. Everything else is done by your internet. Flashing a PRL won't do anything but brick it, since Verizon does not carry this product, and the GSM Giants have a different version of it that will not authenticate. So creating a personal network is not really a viable option.
Just like a vonage box or any other VoIP device, it has to authenticate somehow. The only thing I see even remotely possible is that you can [maybe] alter the devices firmware to allow multiple authentication channels. Even still the data would be reported to Airvana, Sprint, and Ericsson and it would probably term your service. Same thing when people flash phones over to the Verizon PRL. It gets noticed quickly, and Sprint will proactively cancel your account if there is anything fishy.
My only recommendation to you is that you buy one outright, not connected to any account, and then begin the modding experiements.
I am to assume you have the Airvana AP, or do you have the Samsung Airave?
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This is exactly what I am looking for. Any links?
Using Net10 with Sprint Air Rave
I used to have an account with Sprint also using an air rave. Worked fine till I switched over to Net10 with my same Sprint phones. I am still on the Sprint network but getting billed from Net10 at 45% less per month still using the Sprint network. So how can I use the Air Rave now? Or do I have to have an active open account with Sprint to use it?
I stay in India .. Can you help me to setup everything and does it costs money... I am in 8th class... I don't have much money
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