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Sorry to ask this question here. But is the Droid X bootloader actually cracked?. Because according to:
http://androidcommunity.com/atrix-bootloader-gets-locked-down-no-custom-roms-20110222/
It seems it is ?

MeX_DK said:
Sorry to ask this question here. But is the Droid X bootloader actually cracked?. Because according to:
http://androidcommunity.com/atrix-bootloader-gets-locked-down-no-custom-roms-20110222/
It seems it is ?
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No, the bootloader has not been cracked. However thanks to koush and his bootstrap app, we have a hijacked recovery that allows us to load custom roms, and themes just no custom kernels yet.
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MeX_DK said:
Sorry to ask this question here. But is the Droid X bootloader actually cracked?. Because according to:
http://androidcommunity.com/atrix-bootloader-gets-locked-down-no-custom-roms-20110222/
It seems it is ?
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That is in-correct information. The Doid X's is far from being unlocked however, there is progress and there are developers working on it.
Whoever posted that may have been confused in thinking that the custom recovery (bootstrap), which is a secondary way around the locked bootloader, was the actual unlocking of the bootloader. While bootstrap is a life saver for the DX, the bootstrap is on lock down.

Thanks guys. I am waging a debate on a danish cell forum regarding the Atrix and its unloackability and I brought up the fact that most if not all late Motorola's had been locked tighter then fort knox more or less

[VIDEOS] Moto X How to Root, recovery, roms, and much more

Here we go again with another fun how to thread will all my Moto X videos and more to come hope this can help out some noobs
Moto X Review
Moto X bootloader Unlock
Moto X VS. Moto G
Moto X unbrick and restore Tool
Moto X Safe Strap Recovery video
How to install TWRP on the unlocked Moto X
How to install CyanogenMod 11 KitKat Rom
More to come please subscribe to this thread
Mods please sticky I think this will really help people out will be adding more soon

Added video to OP

Video added to OP

New CM11 Video added to OP

Awesome!
I'll be linking to this as well as the complete Moto x guide by @dray_jr I usually link to when people open threads without searching, before I report it. LOL
Great job!
Sent from my N5 cell phone telephone....

kj2112 said:
Awesome!
I'll be linking to this as well as the complete Moto x guide by @dray_jr I usually link to when people open threads without searching, before I report it. LOL
Great job!
Sent from my N5 cell phone telephone....
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thanks glad that you like it will be adding more soon

Tomsgt said:
thanks glad that you like it will be adding more soon
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For sure some will be far less confused SEEING this stuff instead of just reading words.
Sent from my N5 cell phone telephone....

kj2112 said:
For sure some will be far less confused SEEING this stuff instead of just reading words.
Sent from my N5 cell phone telephone....
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Yeah I really hope this can help out some noobs.
Mods please sticky this post if you think it will help

Tomsgt said:
Here we go again with another fun how to thread will all my Moto X videos and more to come hope this can help out some noobs
Moto X Review
Moto X bootloader Unlock
Moto X VS. Moto G
Moto X unbrick and restore Tool
Moto X Safe Strap Recovery video
How to install TWRP on the unlocked Moto X
How to install CyanogenMod 11 KitKat Rom
More to come please subscribe to this thread
Mods please sticky I think this will really help people out will be adding more soon
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Thanks, is there a link on how to root Moto X? It's kinda mentioned at the end of the unlock bootloader video.

x2h said:
Thanks, is there a link on how to root Moto X? It's kinda mentioned at the end of the unlock bootloader video.
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Check the twrp recovery install video it should have the root in it. Once the bootloader is unlocked just install twrp then flash supersu.zip in recovery to get root. It's pretty easy.
sent from my Galaxy Note 3 running HyperDrive.

Tomsgt said:
Check the twrp recovery install video it should have the root in it. Once the bootloader is unlocked just install twrp then flash supersu.zip in recovery to get root. It's pretty easy.
sent from my Galaxy Note 3 running HyperDrive.
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'Thanks. Where's the superSU file?

x2h said:
'Thanks. Where's the superSU file?
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You can get it at rootjunksdl.com or of xda if you Google supersu.zip you will see it.
sent from my Galaxy Note 3 running HyperDrive.

So what if you want to move from 4.4 to 4.4.2 from an ATT, rooted, non Dev, non custom recovery moto x? I was under the impression using this boot loader unlock method only worked for Dev editions..
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NameLessThugZero said:
So what if you want to move from 4.4 to 4.4.2 from an ATT, rooted, non Dev, non custom recovery moto x? I was under the impression using this boot loader unlock method only worked for Dev editions..
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You are correct. Bootloader unlock method only works for Dev Editions, and phones from T-Mobile, Sprint and other carriers where Moto gives out bootloader unlock codes. If you have an ATT or Verizon retail or Moto Maker X, and were not lucky enough to buy an unlock code from the Chinese seller (before it got shut down), you can not unlock your bootloader and use TWRP to root.
If you have a LOCKED (and not unlockable) bootloader, like ATT/Verizon, and you are on rooted 4.4 using SlapMyMoto and disabled write protection by using MotoWpNoMo, taking the 4.4.2 OTA update will revert the effects of MotoWpNoMo, patch the exploit used, and write protection will become re-enabled. You will likely keep root, but with write protection enabled, any changes you make to /system or the other protected folders will be lost at power off/on, making root less useful. Since 4.4.2 also patches the exploit used to gain root, if you hadn't rooted before taking 4.4.2, you wont be able to root it once its on your phone.
HOWEVER... If you are rooted & write protection disabled with 4.4, you could consider using SafeStrap with 4.4.2. I don't know how well it works (I have a Dev Edition, so I haven't tried it), but it is an option for using 4.4.2

Bump for noobs
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Rooting Failure Droid Turbo 2

Hey guys,
This is my first post and I have no idea what I'm doing so please correct me if I'm doing something wrong. I am trying to root my Droid Turbo 2 using Kingo. Every time I get to 53% it skips to 100% and then says the root failed. I saved the log, so I can post it if someone wants to see it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

petersherer said:
Hey guys,
This is my first post and I have no idea what I'm doing so please correct me if I'm doing something wrong. I am trying to root my Droid Turbo 2 using Kingo. Every time I get to 53% it skips to 100% and then says the root failed. I saved the log, so I can post it if someone wants to see it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Check with the app manufacturer to see if it is compatible with the Turbo 2.
As far as I know there is no publicly available root or unlock for our device.

Droid 2 Turbo hasn't been rooted/unlocked yet so that app isn't gonna work.

mjones73 said:
Droid 2 Turbo hasn't been rooted/unlocked yet so that app isn't gonna work.
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It's been rooted. But its not public.

bignazpwns said:
It's been rooted. But its not public.
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Why the hell isn't it public?? Lol

blkhrt13 said:
Why the hell isn't it public?? Lol
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My guess is because it doesn't exist.

There has got to be a at least a root exploit if we cannot figure out how to bootloader unlock...

Why does there have to be a root exploit?
Sent from my DROID Turbo 2

jayman94fly said:
There has got to be a at least a root exploit if we cannot figure out how to bootloader unlock...
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that's not particularly likely. with each new version of android, and with the new security updates, the chance of finding even a temp-root exploit has decreased exponentially. Plus, with the lack of developer motivation for the turbo 2, there is even less of a chance. The only real chance is a new version of something like towelroot, a one-size fits all solution

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as you can remove the message the sim is not verizon.
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Bricked my XT1580 UK N
Hey XDA Developers
I admit i am an idiot!
I tried to root my XT1580 with a tutorial (not able to post link) and of course i bricked my phone big time. Is there a nice developer wich would try to help me flash a stock rom to my phone and hopefully make it boot again?
I used: twrp-2.8.7.0-kinzie.img
And SuperSU v2.65
I now downloaded Stock Marshmallow 6.0.0 /// XT1580_KINZIE_RETMX_DS_6.0_MPK24.78-8_cid12_subsidy-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip as i tought this would be the fiting stock rom for this device and region i live (Switzerland) but i am not very shure how to do it and i just dont want to destroy my belved xt1580 more than it allready is.
I am happy for any response.
Best Regards

Luschikofski said:
Hey XDA Developers
I admit i am an idiot!
I tried to root my XT1580 with a tutorial (not able to post link) and of course i bricked my phone big time. Is there a nice developer wich would try to help me flash a stock rom to my phone and hopefully make it boot again?
I used: twrp-2.8.7.0-kinzie.img
And SuperSU v2.65
I now downloaded Stock Marshmallow 6.0.0 /// XT1580_KINZIE_RETMX_DS_6.0_MPK24.78-8_cid12_subsidy-DEFAULT_CFC.xml.zip as i tought this would be the fiting stock rom for this device and region i live (Switzerland) but i am not very shure how to do it and i just dont want to destroy my belved xt1580 more than it allready is.
I am happy for any response.
Best Regards
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you flashed twrp?
you were able boot twrp?
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sd_shadow said:
you flashed twrp?
you were able boot twrp?
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Hey sd_Shadow!
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, i was (and still am) able to boot TWRP. But thats not a big deal in my eyes. I am not the first one who have this done. Was easy.
br

Luschikofski said:
Hey sd_Shadow!
Thanks for your reply.
Yes, i was (and still am) able to boot TWRP. But thats not a big deal in my eyes. I am not the first one who have this done. Was easy.
br
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yes, just trying to understand the nature of the problem
you installed Supersu.zip and then...
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sd_shadow said:
yes, just trying to understand the nature of the problem
you installed Supersu.zip and then...
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Aaah okay
yes, i then installed SuperSU. Went well, without errors. After that i reboot the phone as described in the tutorial. Now my XT1580 wont boot anymore. it is just stuck on the first boot image (Moto sign)
i tried with the same again and one time more with a difference version of TWRP and SuperSU. still no change

Luschikofski said:
Aaah okay
yes, i then installed SuperSU. Went well, without errors. After that i reboot the phone as described in the tutorial. Now my XT1580 wont boot anymore. it is just stuck on the first boot image (Moto sign)
i tried with the same again and one time more with a difference version of TWRP and SuperSU. still no change
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I would try wiping the caches in twrp
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sd_shadow said:
I would try wiping the caches in twrp
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You mean wipe dalvik cache ? Did allready. No change I can try again as soon as i arrive at home

Luschikofski said:
You mean wipe dalvik cache ? Did allready. No change I can try again as soon as i arrive at home
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http://www.theandroidsoul.com/marsh...ola-moto-x-force-droid-turbo-2-variant-88178/
there is nothing in this guide that should have caused any issues
Sent from my DROID Turbo using XDA Labs

maybe those twrp versions are not compatible?
if not should just be able to reflash stock recovery.img
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sd_shadow said:
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/marsh...ola-moto-x-force-droid-turbo-2-variant-88178/
there is nothing in this guide that should have caused any issues
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sd_shadow said:
maybe those twrp versions are not compatible?
if not should just be able to reflash stock recovery.img
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i have to be honest. i have no idea about compatibility of twrp but I did a factory reset / Cache wipe in twrp. no change
I would really love to re-flash the stock recovery but i think its already obvious that there is now way i know how to do that Would it be possible for you to write a short step by step tut for this for me? Dont need to very detailed. I am a techie but not enough clue about where to get the right file
i would really appreciate

Luschikofski said:
i have to be honest. i have no idea about compatibility of twrp but I did a factory reset / Cache wipe in twrp. no change
I would really love to re-flash the stock recovery but i think its already obvious that there is now way i know how to do that Would it be possible for you to write a short step by step tut for this for me? Dont need to very detailed. I am a techie but not enough clue about where to get the right file
i would really appreciate
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stock recovery.img would be flashed same as twrp.img
fastboot flash recovery.img
stock recovery.img is in the stock firmware xml.zip
just unzip
or just flash firmware with RSD Lite, just need to be sure that it's for your model, region and carrier.
I'm not sure how many options are available
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sd_shadow said:
stock recovery.img would be flashed same as twrp.img
fastboot flash recovery.img
stock recovery.img is in the stock firmware xml.zip
just unzip
or just flash firmware with RSD Lite, just need to be sure that it's for your model, region and carrier.
I'm not sure how many options are available
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Okay. I´ve tried with fastboot with no sucess. With RSD it starts and flashes until 20/29. It stops saying this:
on RSD: Failes flashing proces. 20/29 flash modem "NOH-HLOS.bin" -> Phone returned FAILS
On Phone it says: Image is too large
i was trying to dowload a rom from https://firmware.center:8081/firmware/Motorola/Moto X Force/Stock/XT1580/
but i am not shure wich ne to take. i tryed those with RETEU. Is this wrong? how do i find out wich rom is the right one?
br

Ive installed TWRP 3.0.2.0, then i backed up my stock android, then i installed cm13. And now, when i try to back up my cm13, i get error:
create tar fork error 255
and i cant add my log to post couse im new user(

Hi friends; is it possible to make a moto x force (vodafone), or any phone, no brand? please help me thanks

Hello,
I need some info on the chinese XT1581.
Is the bootloader unlockable? root? Are there any custom roms available for this device?
The only difference is the dual-sim?
Has anybody experience with this device?
Thanks!

I know I'm going to regret this and I probably already do so here goes:
I picked up a Motorola Droid Turbo 2 off craigslist tonight, traded another phone for it (LG Stylo 2 Plus) and everything was working fine during the actual meeting with the previous owner. He checked out the Stylo while I checked out the Turbo 2. Aside from scuffs and scrapes and whatnot I decided it was worth the trade - he said he was moving to Europe and just wouldn't need it anymore and he then showed me his Moto X Force (first time I'd ever seen one in person, verified it with the phone info, etc) and I figured what the hell, I'm good.
So he leaves, and me having not messed with a Verizon device for some time figured "Ok, I know all the Verizon devices are GSM unlocked from the factory since the summer of 2013 because of the FCC frequency auctions, no problem..." and then I power down and remove the T-Mobile nanoSIM from my Moto X 1st gen and power down the Turbo 2, etc, moving the nanoSIM over.
Power the Turbo 2 back up and of course I get the "SIM Card not from Verizon Wireless..." notification which I've seen in the past. I go into Settings and then set it for Global mode and... nothing, still doesn't work. Check the About phone info, it sees the nanoSIM, doesn't pull the APN data from the card so I put it in manually, still nothing. Reboot, still nothing, and so on and so forth.
I do some research and find out that Verizon - since some point in 2015 - now sells their devices technically unlocked for GSM operation but there's some funky network-specific lock on them for at least 1 year after the sale/purchase of the device so they guarantee they get something back on their investment. I called the previous owner, asked him what the deal was, he said he bought it December 1st 2015 and because he was moving that was that and it wasn't his problem anymore.
So yeah, I'm probably screwed on this for use with T-Mobile now but I figured I'd ask here anyway: not looking to rip anybody off but, I don't use Verizon, never have, never will, and I don't even know anyone that uses them either so I'm not sure how to proceed. In the good old days you could do the 4-corner trick and bypass the need to activate the phone with Verizon but obviously nothing is that simple anymore.
Is there any way to get this device up and running with T-Mobile since it should be unlocked? I called Verizon and they said because I'm not the original owner/purchaser (neither is the guy I got it from, apparently he got it used himself earlier this year) they won't provide me whatever info or method is required to make it truly GSM unlocked as it's supposed to be so I'm stuck there.
It's not blacklisted, at least that Verizon would tell me, nor stolen from what I gather - I checked the ESN against several sites like Swappa and CheckESNFree and it shows green/clear/ready for activation and yet it's just not happening.
Any advice or suggestions or straight out method to get past that aspect and make it work properly with T-Mobile is greatly appreciated if anyone can help.
If I end up using it as a Wi-Fi only device, so be it, but that wasn't the idea when I got it - my mistake was not doing research ahead of time on this new device. I've owned several Droid MAXX/Ultra/Mini smartphones - all Verizon devices of course - and never had to deal with this activation BS, I just put my T-Mobile SIM card in them and rebooted and wham, always worked without problems.
I should have known it wouldn't be that simple anymore.

br0adband said:
I know I'm going to regret this and I probably already do so here goes:
I picked up a Motorola Droid Turbo 2 off craigslist tonight, traded another phone for it (LG Stylo 2 Plus) and everything was working fine during the actual meeting with the previous owner. He checked out the Stylo while I checked out the Turbo 2. Aside from scuffs and scrapes and whatnot I decided it was worth the trade - he said he was moving to Europe and just wouldn't need it anymore and he then showed me his Moto X Force (first time I'd ever seen one in person, verified it with the phone info, etc) and I figured what the hell, I'm good.
So he leaves, and me having not messed with a Verizon device for some time figured "Ok, I know all the Verizon devices are GSM unlocked from the factory since the summer of 2013 because of the FCC frequency auctions, no problem..." and then I power down and remove the T-Mobile nanoSIM from my Moto X 1st gen and power down the Turbo 2, etc, moving the nanoSIM over.
Power the Turbo 2 back up and of course I get the "SIM Card not from Verizon Wireless..." notification which I've seen in the past. I go into Settings and then set it for Global mode and... nothing, still doesn't work. Check the About phone info, it sees the nanoSIM, doesn't pull the APN data from the card so I put it in manually, still nothing. Reboot, still nothing, and so on and so forth.
I do some research and find out that Verizon - since some point in 2015 - now sells their devices technically unlocked for GSM operation but there's some funky network-specific lock on them for at least 1 year after the sale/purchase of the device so they guarantee they get something back on their investment. I called the previous owner, asked him what the deal was, he said he bought it December 1st 2015 and because he was moving that was that and it wasn't his problem anymore.
So yeah, I'm probably screwed on this for use with T-Mobile now but I figured I'd ask here anyway: not looking to rip anybody off but, I don't use Verizon, never have, never will, and I don't even know anyone that uses them either so I'm not sure how to proceed. In the good old days you could do the 4-corner trick and bypass the need to activate the phone with Verizon but obviously nothing is that simple anymore.
Is there any way to get this device up and running with T-Mobile since it should be unlocked? I called Verizon and they said because I'm not the original owner/purchaser (neither is the guy I got it from, apparently he got it used himself earlier this year) they won't provide me whatever info or method is required to make it truly GSM unlocked as it's supposed to be so I'm stuck there.
It's not blacklisted, at least that Verizon would tell me, nor stolen from what I gather - I checked the ESN against several sites like Swappa and CheckESNFree and it shows green/clear/ready for activation and yet it's just not happening.
Any advice or suggestions or straight out method to get past that aspect and make it work properly with T-Mobile is greatly appreciated if anyone can help.
If I end up using it as a Wi-Fi only device, so be it, but that wasn't the idea when I got it - my mistake was not doing research ahead of time on this new device. I've owned several Droid MAXX/Ultra/Mini smartphones - all Verizon devices of course - and never had to deal with this activation BS, I just put my T-Mobile SIM card in them and rebooted and wham, always worked without problems.
I should have known it wouldn't be that simple anymore.
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call Verizon, tell them the situation, worse case you waste some time on the phone
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Does XPosed work with the Moto X Pure Edition (XT1575)?

Hi everyone, I recently rooted my phone after becoming fed up with Motorola (my next phone will definitely be a OnePlus ) and I have now decided that I would like to install XPosed Framework. I really don't want to brick my phone, though I do have a backup, so I came here to ask anyway that has done this before. I am running Android Marshmallow 6.0 with the December security patch, by the way. So is there a way to install XPosed on the XT1575? If so please provide instructions (I already looked on XDA and could not find any helpful threads).
Thanks in advance,
Matt

Iglooian said:
Hi everyone, I recently rooted my phone after becoming fed up with Motorola (my next phone will definitely be a OnePlus ) and I have now decided that I would like to install XPosed Framework. I really don't want to brick my phone, though I do have a backup, so I came here to ask anyway that has done this before. I am running Android Marshmallow 6.0 with the December security patch, by the way. So is there a way to install XPosed on the XT1575? If so please provide instructions (I already looked on XDA and could not find any helpful threads).
Thanks in advance,
Matt
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Yes Xposed does work on the MXPE running 6.0 and the December update. I am running this myself. For full details on Xposed, the framework, Modules, and general information you need to go here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xposed. Everything you need to know should be there regarding installing and finding out about specific modules.

Be aware that we do not have the factory firmware image for the latest ROM version, if something goes wrong it is possible that you could brick the device.
In the next few months we will hopefully be getting Nougat, and Xposed does NOT work with Nougat as of this posting.

Hello everybody!
I'm in a trouble, installed xposed, but stuck on warning bootloader, i'm on january security patch, any idea what can be?

dvdhngs said:
Hello everybody!
I'm in a trouble, installed xposed, but stuck on warning bootloader, i'm on january security patch, any idea what can be?
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I would suggest that you download the Xposed uninstaller on your computer and push it to your phone, then flash that.
First make sure you put the uninstaller in the directory with adb and fastboot and connect your phone with a us cable.
Second boot into recovery mode on your phone
Third type into your computer's command prompt 'adb push (and then the name of the uninstaller) /'
Four go to the install section of twrp and navigate to the / directory.
Five select the file and flash it (make sure zip verification is unchecked)
If you have any problems please message me, I'll help you out.
Here's the link to the uninstaller you'll want to download: http://dl-xda.xposed.info/framework/uninstaller/xposed-uninstaller-20150831-arm64.zip
If this doesn't work send me a message, I can try and help you further.

Does a bear **** in the woods? Hell yes
Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk

Jessooca said:
You know I've never seen a single photo of a bear taking care of his business in the woods, I'm gonna need photographic proof
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LOL... Well some bears go elsewhere...

Here ya go[ATTACH
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I think we have firmly established that a) Xposed works on the MXPE and b) a bear does indeed sh*t in the woods.
Can we stop this now children? I know we don't have a "Off-topic thread" for this device, but I think this thread is had enough.

BigM69 said:
Here ya go[ATTACH
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Haha, I love it!

acejavelin said:
I think we have firmly established that a) Xposed works on the MXPE and b) a bear does indeed sh*t in the woods.
Can we stop this now children? I know we don't have a "Off-topic thread" for this device, but I think this thread is had enough.
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Just having a lil fun..
Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk

BigM69 said:
Just having a lil fun..
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We really need an "Off-topic thread"... I remember back in my Rezound days, that thread was jumpin', and full of stuff like this, something like 25k posts in a single thread called HTC Rezound OFF-TOPIC THREAD
Otherwise, a little fun is fine... but lets not bog down a thread so that if someone has an issue later, they can't find the answer because off all the OT discussion.

acejavelin said:
We really need an "Off-topic thread"... I remember back in my Rezound days, that thread was jumpin', and full of stuff like this, something like 25k posts in a single thread called HTC Rezound OFF-TOPIC THREAD
Otherwise, a little fun is fine... but lets not bog down a thread so that if someone has an issue later, they can't find the answer because off all the OT discussion.
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Yes I agree. Enough fun for awhile [emoji12]
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