The title says it all. When Microsoft's Surface drops will I be able to dual boot Windows 8 Pro and some version of Android?
iiDeadSeriousii said:
The title says it all. When Microsoft's Surface drops will I be able to dual boot Windows 8 Pro and some version of Android?
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No. Microsoft will enable secure boot on the Surface and restrict it so that no non-Microsoft OS can boot on it. This is true for all Windows RT devices. If you want a dual-booting tablet, you need a x86 one, but those cannot run Android very well.
I know the RT's gonna be a pain, but i was asking Surface Pro with intel chip. Or any Win 8 Pro tablet actually.
iiDeadSeriousii said:
I know the RT's gonna be a pain, but i was asking Surface Pro with intel chip. Or any Win 8 Pro tablet actually.
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I don't see any reason why not as you can dual boot windows 8 pro with any other os its just RT. That said I cant confirm 2 things first that they wont lock the device itself (there is nothing in windows but they could lock the bios etc) and 2nd is finding an x86 version of Android that will run that's not just 2.2 (though I suspect it will take about a day to get it working)
lumpaywk said:
I don't see any reason why not as you can dual boot windows 8 pro with any other os its just RT. That said I cant confirm 2 things first that they wont lock the device itself (there is nothing in windows but they could lock the bios etc) and 2nd is finding an x86 version of Android that will run that's not just 2.2 (though I suspect it will take about a day to get it working)
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Yeah Microsoft will probably lock the Surface like Motorola locks everything. Also, for x86 android, see http://www.android-x86.org/
JihadSquad said:
Yeah Microsoft will probably lock the Surface like Motorola locks everything. Also, for x86 android, see http://www.android-x86.org/
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Off topic am i reading right that that is a generic version of 4? Thank you for this if it is as i been looking to get it working in hyper v.
lumpaywk said:
Off topic am i reading right that that is a generic version of 4? Thank you for this if it is as i been looking to get it working in hyper v.
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How is hyper-v working? I got winxp and ubuntu installed on mine but then I noticed that my cpu would not get off max frequency (on a quad core intel laptop with turbo boost that is VERY bad). I googled the problem and it turns out hyper-v keeps the cpu at max as long as it is installed. Apparently it is just a bug, as it works fine in server 2012. I had to uninstall it until MS releases the fix.
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How is hyper-v working? I got winxp and ubuntu installed on mine but then I noticed that my cpu would not get off max frequency (on a quad core intel laptop with turbo boost that is VERY bad). I googled the problem and it turns out hyper-v keeps the cpu at max as long as it is installed. Apparently it is just a bug, as it works fine in server 2012. I had to uninstall it until MS releases the fix.
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I have no issues with cpu etc running on amd fx 8100 i was running xp but now running windows 7 (32 bit, for exchange 2003 support and VMware while we wait on veeam 6.5) and Ubuntu. I have found quite expectedly that it has an affect on boot times but processor core sit mostly idle - i have assigned 6 cores and they sit almost idle. I still pref VMware overall for main virtual network but for a simple vm on your local machine i have had no issues with hyper v so lets ho;e they get a fix for intel.
Got a update this morning. I can see they updated the external storage with better control. Anyone see any other major improvements? The thing I find is funny is how they waited for a year to add many of the features that should have been included in the original box. The hardware is getting outdated already?
The hardware is fine. Not everything relies on specs. Sure there will be other devices that are faster with more features in the future, but the Fire TV will last as long as it can be used. Look at the 1st generation Apple TV, I can still use mine, and OSMC is about to be released that will add new life to a device that is "outdated". Also there are a lot of devices that get released that have features that are added later. There are tons of android TV boxes out there that never made use of their USB port, and even more that have ethernet ports that never ever had support added for them. At least Amazon gives us frequent updates and has gone above and beyond to make their closed source device bettter for the consumer. Its not so closed anymore. Even Apple just got around to fixing the wifi problem on the iphone 6 the other day. There are always things that do not work when devices get released. The N64 did not even perform as advertised unless you went out and bought an addon to the device when it was first released and it took them a while to add the part and sell it with the device. Look how long it took apple to give people the feature of sending and recieving multimedia messages, even though it had a camera you still couldn't send pictures unless you hacked your device. All companies do this and I am sure there are reason they have for doing this and it has nothing to do with the device not being ready at release time. I can think of more than 20 Android boxes that had features that didn't work that either never recieved one update ar at best recieved a couple updates, which never fixed what didn't work. Amazon is top notch when it comes to Android TV boxes, and making sure things work as they should.
wastate2014 said:
Got a update this morning. I can see they updated the external storage with better control. Anyone see any other major improvements? The thing I find is funny is how they waited for a year to add many of the features that should have been included in the original box. The hardware is getting outdated already?
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Are you talking about version 51.1.5.0_user_515030720? What "better control" for USB storage are you referring too? The only difference I could find with this update was the ability to "favorite" photos.
Yes it is 515030720. I was only wondering what changes came with the update as I could not find the release note? My biggest thing has been external storage. I was happy they added finally. 20 gigabytes of games already on flash drive
So this is a new new update? As in, one update enabled USB drives and this is an update to that? I don't suppose this lets us move the extra downloaded data files to USB from the menu?
Out of curiosity, has anyone tried just moving an obb file or data directory to USB then linking to it from the original location (ln -s)?
edit: ln -s doesn't work. Is /sdcard fat32 as well???
Hello everyone!!
This argument has been discussed a couple times in this forum, but i wanted to address it once more since i believe it's one of the most interesting.
So, i am looking to install natively Windows 10 (desktop version, not mobile) and Android in dualboot on the ZF2.
In theory, as specified many times by other users, is possible. Since the soc of the ZF2 is Intel x86/64.
Let's proceed with order.
1) The main issue, is to find out how to run the windows installer, completely outside the Android environment. Now i know Asus released an official Bootloader for the ZF2, but we have to figure out if it's loaded outside of the Android environment or not. If it is, that would be a great kickstart.
2) The drivers then would be another issue, even though, the Z3580 is an Atom and should share a lot of with its bigger brothers for tablets that already run Windows 10.
3) FIgure out how to dualboot it. Windows 10 Desktop version is not currently equipped with dialing functions and even though there are some third party software, it would not be very comfortable to use as main OS on such a small screen. So Android is a must here.
4) Last but not least, figure out a way (not wirelessly, just because it does not work very well) to cast the screen of the Windows 10 Asus ZEnfone2, to a larger monitor.
I own a Lumia 950 and as many of you know, it comes with the Continuum feature. It is a pretty interesting function even though in the current state is very limited. (can run only UWPs and nothing more, with limited functionalities).
For those of you guys wondering if it's even possible to solve the problem n.1 i can tell you it definitely is. A couple years ago, Elephone was working on a Dual Boot Phone, called vowney Pro with the exact same soc of the ZF2, capable of running both Windows 10 (desktop, even though some blogs mistakenly reported windows 10 mobile. It was the desktop version, i spoke with the company) and Android.
That project never came to life, the company would not share with me the reason why.
Just think about how cool would be to have a 2 in 1 device capable of running full Windows 10 natively. It would really be the first of its kind and turn out to be super useful in a lot of situations.
Any of you ever tried ?
Thanks in advance to all of you guys!!
No one ?
steinwayer said:
Hello everyone!!
This argument has been discussed a couple times in this forum, but i wanted to address it once more since i believe it's one of the most interesting.
So, i am looking to install natively Windows 10 (desktop version, not mobile) and Android in dualboot on the ZF2.
In theory, as specified many times by other users, is possible. Since the soc of the ZF2 is Intel x86/64.
Let's proceed with order.
1) The main issue, is to find out how to run the windows installer, completely outside the Android environment. Now i know Asus released an official Bootloader for the ZF2, but we have to figure out if it's loaded outside of the Android environment or not. If it is, that would be a great kickstart.
2) The drivers then would be another issue, even though, the Z3580 is an Atom and should share a lot of with its bigger brothers for tablets that already run Windows 10.
3) FIgure out how to dualboot it. Windows 10 Desktop version is not currently equipped with dialing functions and even though there are some third party software, it would not be very comfortable to use as main OS on such a small screen. So Android is a must here.
4) Last but not least, figure out a way (not wirelessly, just because it does not work very well) to cast the screen of the Windows 10 Asus ZEnfone2, to a larger monitor.
I own a Lumia 950 and as many of you know, it comes with the Continuum feature. It is a pretty interesting function even though in the current state is very limited. (can run only UWPs and nothing more, with limited functionalities).
For those of you guys wondering if it's even possible to solve the problem n.1 i can tell you it definitely is. A couple years ago, Elephone was working on a Dual Boot Phone, called vowney Pro with the exact same soc of the ZF2, capable of running both Windows 10 (desktop, even though some blogs mistakenly reported windows 10 mobile. It was the desktop version, i spoke with the company) and Android.
That project never came to life, the company would not share with me the reason why.
Just think about how cool would be to have a 2 in 1 device capable of running full Windows 10 natively. It would really be the first of its kind and turn out to be super useful in a lot of situations.
Any of you ever tried ?
Thanks in advance to all of you guys!!
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please follow this topic
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
sukhwant717 said:
please follow this topic
https://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
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Hello Sukhwant717
Yes i know of the post and read through all of it, even though there are a couple of persons that asked for the native installation, that post is focused mainly on the installation through KVM, or any other Virtual Machine solution.
Just wanted to have a post focused on the native installation here
@steinwayer
This has been done and deemed not worth the time and effort.
1. No drivers for Mali.
3. Win OS has no phone support until late 2017.
If you have the technical skills please do try yourself, but don't expect others to do the work.
I recommend waiting until fall 2017 when x86 emulation on Snapdragon launches. A plethora of new handsets with desktop Win OS and phone support will be launched. And this project will be redundant.
@sweetsour
I didn't know that people tried here. I tried searching in the whole forum but sadly i didn't find anything.
Yes i know that Windows on Arm will launch sometime this year, but i don't think this will be redundant. Windows on Arm will let you have a windows handset capable of running x86 apps. No Android.
This on the other hand would let you enjoy both worlds, and on top of that, is the ability to dual boot two different operating systems on a smartphone that intrigues me (not linux based ofc)
I don't expect the others to do it for me, i am stuck sadly on the first issue with having a bootloader capable of booting an OTG image of Windows.
But if anyone found a way to do that and got stuck on the next step, i would be more than happy to try myself
Do you happen to have any threads to address me to?
Thanks in advance
@steinwayer Windows on ARM will never ever be the same as on X86. Apps are just not compatible. It is a shame that the surface phone ditched the Intel Atom CPU.
Anyway ontopic.
I will skip 1 till the last since this is the main issue and start off with 2
2 The drivers are not an issue YET. The intel HD series GPU's have used the specific model of powerVR GPU that is in use so it is a problem that can be fixed. Most of the rest of the drivers are not directly a problem as the first problem is to get windows running natively.
3 Dualboot. In first place this is not neccisary, however this is possible but will require the work from 1 listed bellow first. Let me say from the start that you can forget hotswitching to android... That will be a full reboot and I dont know about your zenfone 2 but mine takes a while to boot...
4 As long as the wifi is running lots of options there...
Now the culprit 1
You can not run the windows installer in the current bootloader, however happy news for you this specific CPU supports UEFI. For this purpose I was reverse engineering the bootloader on my pc and altering the UEFI of that of a tabled with a similair CPU of the same series. However my screen got broken, so I lost motivation, had it repaired after which half my phone died again (there is another topic floating around where I tried to flash the ori bootloaders as I thought that may had something to do with the issues of my phone dieing) so I bought a lumia 950 aswell, and now I just have it back again.
This project is stalled. One of the reasons is stated here, the other one is that I don't have the knowledge to continue right now. Reading in and learning takes a lot of time and I don't have time at the moment and as said before I am for the moment not very happy with the amount of times the zenfone just without damage just died on me...
I am happy to share all I have found on the internet to someone who knows how to do it, but if you need to learn in as I do this will take years...
Thinking about you MIGHT have a shot just flashing one of the tablets UEFI bioses, but this very well may be a one shot chance after which a perma brick can occur...
@Don_prince
I was talking about the recent Windows on ARM, not Windows 10 Mobile. For instance, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U
Even though there is no single definitive proof that they ditched Intel for the Surface Phone project, the video I shared seems to be a pretty clear statement eheh, and yes, i totally agree with you, it will be a shame.
Thank you so much for the infos you gave me! That's super helpful! I suspected the stock bootloader would have not been capable of doing that, so i was looking (like i guess you did long before me) for answers about the chances of flashing UEFI on it.
Dualboot, at least for the beginning would be necessary, if used as the primary phone, Android would be needed for all phone-related tasks.
I will try to see if i manage to flash UEFI on the ZF2. After that it should be a a lot simpler! And it would open a WHOLE NEW WORLD of possibilities with that phone
About the hotswitching, i know, it will be impossible. But the way i see it, the wait time for a full reboot would be worth it, especially in case after solving all the problems, we could manage also to solve the point 4
Will keep you posted!!
I don't seee why an x86 emulator for ARM Windows 10 seems so threatening.
Nobody ever said the x86 emulator is coming to phones. It's just Windows RT 10 with 3rd party Win32 app support. It's for larger devices like tablets and laptops.
From what I've seen, I think the Zenfone 2 (and 5) will be relevant for many years to come. Nobody is offering something that runs full Windows 10 on the phone's screen like the Zenfones with KVM. There is also no performance hit like an emulator.
If anything, MS MIGHT integrate it into W10M's Continuim but I doubt they will let you run Photoshop on the phone's screen.
There have been multiple devices in the past, and there are devices for sale now and there are devices that are in developent. Criteria below 6", pocketable and full X86.
XPphone, Eking m5 (also MI15), DOCOMO Fujitsu LOOX F-07c,
Non phone capable (or only via usb) Ockel Sirius, GPD WIN
In development: Graalphone, Palmputer
So yes there are devices...
No an emulator wont do the trick for me, No a KVM does not do the trick for me. I need DIRECT acess to the GPU for proprietary programs which I want to use the phone for.
Don_prince said:
There have been multiple devices in the past, and there are devices for sale now and there are devices that are in developent. Criteria below 6", pocketable and full X86.
XPphone, Eking m5 (also MI15), DOCOMO Fujitsu LOOX F-07c,
Non phone capable (or only via usb) Ockel Sirius, GPD WIN
In development: Graalphone, Palmputer
So yes there are devices...
No an emulator wont do the trick for me, No a KVM does not do the trick for me. I need DIRECT acess to the GPU for proprietary programs which I want to use the phone for.
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Well i always thinking the EASIEST way to enable 3D acceleration with acceptable performance.The only software that could enable 3D acceleration and runs windows software on android is Crossover from codeweavers.It's wine commercial version which compatibility layer that enables you to run windows software on linux.Maybe you're very familiar it if you playing around with linux for some time.The only problem is the compatibility.its still in alpha stage and still doesn't run much software perfectly.Considering it's opensource,it has the source code available on their site.If we have developers that expert at modifying .apk and port the qemu kvm,we'll be able to solve that.We have qemu on android name limbo pc emulator and it always up to date recently which now based on qemu 2.9.0.The only matter is how we modified the apk to sync with limbo pc emulator so that it has 3D virtual gpu available.How the virtual gpu works,is translate OPENGLES into directX,though its limited to 9.0.Maybe little tweak can make it work on limbo.Hope the source code containts that Vgpu code.I am noob for porting apks,etc.But i know some basic about it.Hope you guys can make it works.Once we make it work,we'll be able to launch CStrike 1.6 on our amazing ZF2
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Crossover has it's virtual GPU into it,which makes 3D acceleration working.it's use OpenGLES and translate it to directX.if we can implemented it on limbo pc emulator,we'll be able to enable hardware acceleration into windows guest
Man I'm with you
Its unbelievable enough, that you can't install Linux on ARM.
Cant install on a x86 cpu device, it seems impossible !!!
2019... nothing yet ?
xdaxuser said:
Man I'm with you
Its unbelievable enough, that you can't install Linux on ARM.
Cant install on a x86 cpu device, it seems impossible !!!
2019... nothing yet ?
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Researching, +1
Well, its pretty much a one go try, no guaranties it works, and well who wants to donate his Zenfone 2 to try, when the odds of sucsess are less than 10%, chance of bricking it without recovery 90%. Get the bios from the Chuwi tablet and give it a try to flash it with the intel flash tool.
I was modifying that bios to increase the chances, but ran out of my expertise, lack time, and am using my zenfone as daily driver
I have a Zenfone 2 with the eMMC damaged, and thought about booting Android from the SD card (basically, using it like the eMMC which is damaged). I think replacing the BIOS could help me with booting from the SD, is this correct?
i've installed Windows 10 and Android 9 x86 with Limbo PC Emulator
O only have a Question :
The Intel atom z3530 CPU in my Z00AD is an ARM CPU?
Tnankx in avance for ur help!
Nope, it's x86_64
tronics182 said:
O only have a Question :
The Intel atom z3530 CPU in my Z00AD is an ARM CPU?
Tnankx in avance for ur help!
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No, it's an x86_64 (64-bit) SoC. Any Intel Atom processor is x86 or x86_64
No development anymore?
Hello,
I have kospet prime watch,
recently I updated the firmware to the latest one that was almost 110 MB.
but I can't find any changes log for that update, also tried to contact Kopset prime social media,
but ironically they told me that they don't have changes log, and can't provide it from tech support
anyone could help? I want to know what is new, what is the changes log.
Was this an upgrade of the Android OS version? Mine has 7.1.1 out of the box. Not sure I want to do the update as I plan to root it (not sure that will make a difference anyway on an MTK processor).
So far mine doesn't seem to connect to any GPS satellites and it was locking up and doing weird stuff after about 15 minutes. Did a factory reset and it still was getting weird for a few minutes then it finally got normal again all by itself and has been fine ever since.
where can i find a driver for windows 10 ??
also with the cable and charger inside the package will be connected to the computer or i will have to buy another
thanks
gthomas said:
where can i find a driver for windows 10 ??
also with the cable and charger inside the package will be connected to the computer or i will have to buy another
thanks
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It's a bit more complex on Windows 10 but there is enough info on https://discourse.fullandroidwatch.org/ that you can likely work through it. Just search there on Kospet Prime and you'll find discussion about the USB drivers for Win 10