reading through the forums came across this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606/page26 ,then read this in post #253 https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s7/help/to-self-sign-recovery-roms-s7-help-t3618744 . seems like there is some progress going on.i was just about to flash to the new Oreo and BL but no no no. ill hang tight for a minute.
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reading through the forums came across this thread https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...-boot-images-android-verified-t3600606/page26 ,then read this in post #253 https://forum.xda-developers.com/sprint-galaxy-s7/help/to-self-sign-recovery-roms-s7-help-t3618744 . seems like there is some progress going on.i was just about to flash to the new Oreo and BL but no no no. ill hang tight for a minute.
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Except they hit a pretty big (and obvious if you understand what they are looking at) brick wall.
All that was found was an ota looking version of boot.img which looks like it could be used to build the boot image provided in the rom. Some people got a little over excited thinking that if the code was there then naturally the way to sign it would be too. However this was not the case. There were no keys found to sign anything
If you understand how public/private cryptography, like ssl which is basically what it used here works, it becomes very clear that Samsung would never, ever allow the signing key to leave the physical premesis of their engineering headquarters for touchwiz, much less package it in every single rom image on the internet. This is because you don't need the private key to talk to talk to the bootloader (only it's public key), but without it you can't prove you are who you say you are.
Putting that RSA key on the internet, hell anywhere but an air gapped machine under guard, would be the tech equivalent of posting your credit card, bank details, all username/password combos, and perfect scans of your passport, drivers license social security card and birth certificate and then going off the grid on vacation for 2 months ???. It's just not going to happen, and it didn't ?
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Except they hit a pretty big (and obvious if you understand what they are looking at) brick wall.
All that was found was an ota looking version of boot.img which looks like it could be used to build the boot image provided in the rom. Some people got a little over excited thinking that if the code was there then naturally the way to sign it would be too. However this was not the case. There were no keys found to sign anything
If you understand how public/private cryptography, like ssl which is basically what it used here works, it becomes very clear that Samsung would never, ever allow the signing key to leave the physical premesis of their engineering headquarters for touchwiz, much less package it in every single rom image on the internet. This is because you don't need the private key to talk to talk to the bootloader (only it's public key), but without it you can't prove you are who you say you are.
Putting that RSA key on the internet, hell anywhere but an air gapped machine under guard, would be the tech equivalent of posting your credit card, bank details, all username/password combos, and perfect scans of your passport, drivers license social security card and birth certificate and then going off the grid on vacation for 2 months ???. It's just not going to happen, and it didn't ?
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True,but, hopefully they'll get into it. But not too sure of it. Like the S7 there isn't a permanent root yet I understand. Yes and I do understand it so you didn't have to be a Di..... Nevermind. But yeah, Samsung has locked there stuff up pretty damn good and I'm thinking of swapping boards just for real root. I don't understand how we pay so damn much for a phone, mine cost me $950 at ATT and it's had hardware failures since I bought it and they give me no warranty., But we own the phone and I believe we have the right to do what we want with it. But that's also not the case since it's like taking something from them that's copyrighted and using for our enjoyment. I totally understand it and kinda don't care anymore since MY ONE MONTH OLD PHONE IS MESSED UP, I WENT BACK TO NEXUS. BUT HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
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True,but, hopefully they'll get into it. But not too sure of it. Like the S7 there isn't a permanent root yet I understand. Yes and I do understand it so you didn't have to be a Di..... Nevermind. But yeah, Samsung has locked there stuff up pretty damn good and I'm thinking of swapping boards just for real root. I don't understand how we pay so damn much for a phone, mine cost me $950 at ATT and it's had hardware failures since I bought it and they give me no warranty., But we own the phone and I believe we have the right to do what we want with it. But that's also not the case since it's like taking something from them that's copyrighted and using for our enjoyment. I totally understand it and kinda don't care anymore since MY ONE MONTH OLD PHONE IS MESSED UP, I WENT BACK TO NEXUS. BUT HEY, THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT
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So you really think Samsung would bundle their private key for signing all things Knox/secure boot for an entire line in a publicly available firmware image for the whole world to find? Given that these phones are sold via defense contracts to the us gvt, if they use the same CA to sign those certs (likely as otherwise they'd have to be a completely different set of devices as the hw bootloader is signed) that might actually be illegal, as anyone anywhere on the internet, including hostile nation states can freely dig for it.
What do you mean by 'permanent root'? Im pretty sure that the s7 has a 'permanent' root method, and I can say with 100% certainty that the s8 does. What has not been achieved is finding a bootloader exploit that allows disabling/bypassing of secure boot, but that does not have anything to do with being able to use uid=0 on a running system which is what the word 'root' means. You don't have to reinstall it every boot or every so often though, it will stay there as long as you leave it so it's definitely 'permanent'. I'm even more lost on what you mean by 'real' root, again given the aforementioned definition. It sounds like you are talking about unlocking the boot loader, which would be great and you're right is very hard, but still is not related to gaining root access or keeping it.
What are you trying to do with swapping motherboards? Are you expecting to be able to drop a G950F board into a G950U device? I would be surprised if they were that identical. I'm definitely interested in what you are talking about doing & why instead of just getting an entire new (used) G950F and selling the old one. I bet used ones that are 0x1 are even cheaper!
*sigh* I wish people would not say things that have no meaning like 'real root' when they actually mean unlocked bootloader ?
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So you really think Samsung would bundle their private key for signing all things Knox/secure boot for an entire line in a publicly available firmware image for the whole world to find? Given that these phones are sold via defense contracts to the us gvt, if they use the same CA to sign those certs (likely as otherwise they'd have to be a completely different set of devices as the hw bootloader is signed) that might actually be illegal, as anyone anywhere on the internet, including hostile nation states can freely dig for it.
What do you mean by 'permanent root'? Im pretty sure that the s7 has a 'permanent' root method, and I can say with 100% certainty that the s8 does. What has not been achieved is finding a bootloader exploit that allows disabling/bypassing of secure boot, but that does not have anything to do with being able to use uid=0 on a running system which is what the word 'root' means. You don't have to reinstall it every boot or every so often though, it will stay there as long as you leave it so it's definitely 'permanent'. I'm even more lost on what you mean by 'real' root, again given the aforementioned definition. It sounds like you are talking about unlocking the boot loader, which would be great and you're right is very hard, but still is not related to gaining root access or keeping it.
What are you trying to do with swapping motherboards? Are you expecting to be able to drop a G950F board into a G950U device? I would be surprised if they were that identical. I'm definitely interested in what you are talking about doing & why instead of just getting an entire new (used) G950F and selling the old one. I bet used ones that are 0x1 are even cheaper!
*sigh* I wish people would not say things that have no meaning like 'real root' when they actually mean unlocked bootloader ?
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Because I have a snapdragon which is the G955U not the exynos F pal. Seems like you are trolling and I don't play know it all on here buddy. I just came across work that I found interesting, posted it, and made a comment. If you wanna argue with someone you should do it with your mom and tell how tired you are of yourself and how she has the bills. I'm only saying that because you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be trolling when you know just a bit of what youre talking about. And if you research PAL! the motherboard fitments are the same and the only thing that's differentiates them besides the Exynos processors is the antennae wires which Snapdragons have 2 and the Exynos has one. So don't come to this thread bombing on me when you haven't done enough of your homework. I rest my case and I am not going to argue with anyone on here about ROOT! feel me?
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Because I have a snapdragon which is the G955U not the exynos F pal. Seems like you are trolling and I don't play know it all on here buddy. I just came across work that I found interesting, posted it, and made a comment. If you wanna argue with someone you should do it with your mom and tell how tired you are of yourself and how she has the bills. I'm only saying that because you seem to have a lot of time on your hands to be trolling when you know just a bit of what youre talking about. And if you research PAL! the motherboard fitments are the same and the only thing that's differentiates them besides the Exynos processors is the antennae wires which Snapdragons have 2 and the Exynos has one. So don't come to this thread bombing on me when you haven't done enough of your homework. I rest my case and I am not going to argue with anyone on here about ROOT! feel me?
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You're a bit oversensitive. Your question was misleading in that the verbage doesn't make sense. "Real root" made sense on the S7 when for some time they were using an engineering root method that was very buggy and had to be reapplied...but that was in the *very early* stages. S7 and S8 have had stable root for some time. I agree with the other poster...it's permanent if it "sticks" across reboots.
Why should the admins close this? Just because someone tried helping you out?
Chill a bit. He wasn't trolling and actually provided good info. Take it as being educated and not a personal insult.
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This might come off as me preaching here, but I hope I don't come across as high-handed...
If you have a hardware button sequence locked Vibrant you really need to think long and hard about whether or not you should be messing with custom firmwares, ESPECIALLY NOW.
The last few leaked firmwares (JI2, JI4, JI5) are ALL RUNNING A NEW KERNEL. One that is not compatible with JFD derived builds. Furthermore these great new custom kernels provided by our awesome dev's (Voodoo, JAC, Kingclick, etc...) are not compatible with these new leaked builds. So the likelihood of you ending up staring at a really scary screen on your phone is skyrocketing, unless you have reliable methods to deal with that scary screen.
I've ran across numerous posts here today, with all the fervor over the JI5 Kies leak, where people have Clockwork Recovered themselves into a nightmare because they simply didn't understand these points. Even simpler MOD's (like a few posts I found today where people were installing the JFD version of the MobileAP mod on JIx builds and screwing their phones up) can lead to grief if you don't do your homework.
If you cannot reliably get into recovery *AND* download mode, please please be sure you understand the risks your taking if you fail to be careful and read the information that is already here. Granted, I know few people can keep up with some of us and our ability to soak up info like a sponge. Still there is a process of risk assessment YOU MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR when you realize you are doing things that you probably shouldn't be.
This doesn't mean I won't continue trying to be helpful. I just want to make it clear to some of you that you really need to think things through more thoroughly before you let your excitement drive you into a corner.
I vote for the following statement to be made a sticky in this and the Q&A Forum...
"If you are updating firmware on a phone, and you've already hacked this and that, tweaked this and that, modified this and that...whatever the case may be you should be prepared to have to Odin your way back to stock.
If you are not prepared to Odin your way back to stock (don't know how, have a hardware button locked phone, etc...) then you should really be asking yourself whether or not you should be customizing your phone to the degree that you are.
It's just about risk assessment. Most risks are known, but some are not. Furthermore there can be bad synergies between multiple tweaks, mods, and/or hacks that no one can easily predict ahead of time. So it's not about anyone trying to be elitist. The best way to help people is to help them avoid making critical mistakes."
actually if u have a hardware locked phone, what you SHOULD do is call tmobile right now and complain that ur phone is defective and they'll send u a new one... keep doing this till u get a working phone, i did and i now have a phone that isn't HL'ed... only took one try
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actually if u have a hardware locked phone, what you SHOULD do is call tmobile right now and complain that ur phone is defective and they'll send u a new one... keep doing this till u get a working phone, i did and i now have a phone that isn't HL'ed... only took one try
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Indeed!!!
The hardware locked Galaxy S thing appears to be a bootloader bug affecting more than just our Vibrants (some other batches of Galaxy S phones are affected) rather than a real hardware issue, so T-Mobile should be able to get these fixed readily. Not like we should care about T-Mobile here, but what this means also is that T-Mobile shouldn't be making a huge deal about swapping these out either.
I'd encourage everyone with a button-sequence screwed Vibrant to simply go to T-Mobile and get it replaced.
Admittedly, I was one of those fools who installed the wrong MobileAp and also tried to go back to a nandroid that didn't work (different kernel - or so I have learned.) Bricked the phone. But I wasn't hardware locked so I was able to get everything back thanks to some really helpful people here on the forum.
I agree that all hardware locked phones should be returned. If mine were locked then I'd still be staring at a dead phone.
I would like to add that I am new to the android thing. But, I am not a software noob (i did software testing for a living). The thing is that I am sometimes impulsive and that leads to mistakes. Thankfully, I have a way to get out of the mistakes (ODIN and non-hardware locked phone.) I always know the risk I am taking and take full responsibility for anything I screw up.
How can I tell if I have a hardware-locked phone, without attempting to flash a ROM, I mean?
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i have a hardware locked phone that i unlocked and have a custom recovery on. I have only accessed the recovery through rom manger. is there any other way to access it with hardware locked? If so can someone post details. it will be good to know when i mess up my phone and it dosent boot preventing me from accessing rom manager to get to the recovery
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you didn't unlock the hardware. You just simply rooted your phone. Hardware lock can not be unlocked and that's what this thread is trying to address. I have tried exchanging my phone from tmo once and the exchange phone they sent me still had the same problem, so i haven't bother with it. I wonder if i can just walk into a store and do an exchange since i got my phone from tmo online. Anyways, if you have a hardware locked phone, stick with roms that will flash through clockworks. That is the safest way, but keep in mind that there is still a slight chance of failure.
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How can I tell if I have a hardware-locked phone, without attempting to flash a ROM, I mean?
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Never mind; I figured it out.
Man, I'm glad I read your post on hardware-locked problems. I didn't even realise this was a problem until after I dicked around with my phone a bunch, and then ended up reflashing with odin back to stock. I could have messed up big time.
My problem is that I can't replace my phone at all. I purchased a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant online, brand new, unopened and locked for use here in Canada on the Wind Mobile network.
After hearing about this defective hardware I called T-Mobile, they said I have no warranty with them since it wasn't a T-mobile store purchase. Alright I guess. So they give me the number to Samsung USA,USA transfers me to Canada, I get transferred back again and this is what I'm stuck with.
My new phone has NO warranty, in either country. Both refuse to honour any sort of warranty, and refer to the other for support. I didn't think I'd get this sort of run around from Samsung.
USA says that because I live in Canada, I voided the warranty.,
Canada says that because it's a USA device, and I didn't purchase an international warranty, they won't touch it.
I'll just have to be careful what I install on my phone, and avoid Samsung products in the future.
Thanks for the warning
I wouldn't say your lack of warranty is any surprise. I don't know about Canada, but in the US, phone warranty is normally tied to the carrier, which means if you're not an active customer using the phone on the account that it was first activated on, you will have no warranty. Nothing special about Samsung here, all brands are the same.
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Man, I'm glad I read your post on hardware-locked problems. I didn't even realise this was a problem until after I dicked around with my phone a bunch, and then ended up reflashing with odin back to stock. I could have messed up big time.
My problem is that I can't replace my phone at all. I purchased a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant online, brand new, unopened and locked for use here in Canada on the Wind Mobile network.
After hearing about this defective hardware I called T-Mobile, they said I have no warranty with them since it wasn't a T-mobile store purchase. Alright I guess. So they give me the number to Samsung USA,USA transfers me to Canada, I get transferred back again and this is what I'm stuck with.
My new phone has NO warranty, in either country. Both refuse to honour any sort of warranty, and refer to the other for support. I didn't think I'd get this sort of run around from Samsung.
USA says that because I live in Canada, I voided the warranty.,
Canada says that because it's a USA device, and I didn't purchase an international warranty, they won't touch it.
I'll just have to be careful what I install on my phone, and avoid Samsung products in the future.
Thanks for the warning
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Other companies will do the same thing. Warranties are country specific, no?
I don't know how it works with mobile phones, but whenever I've purchased computer parts, the country of origin has never been a problem. Maybe I've just been lucky.
Still have gripes about GPS, and lack of 2.2 though.
Don't misunderstand me though, I love this phone. Just surprised about the hardware issues.
I called Samsung today after tmobile rep gave me a number for warranty. After complaining and speaking to a supervisor, they said i could send it in and they would "fix" it. This is what they sent in the email.
Product Symptoms : Technical Inquiry/Internal Menu/Software Reflash - FOC/No fee. The Samsung Rep said a technician would look at it.
I got a shipping label and everything.
I have one question. How should i go about reflashing to stock? can i just factory reset + remove superusers. please help.
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I don't know how it works with mobile phones, but whenever I've purchased computer parts, the country of origin has never been a problem. Maybe I've just been lucky.
Still have gripes about GPS, and lack of 2.2 though.
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PC parts aren't as tightly controlled as mobile phones. That's the difference.
GPS and Froyo should be coming soon. I doubt if Samsung would let their best mobile phones fall behind by much. From the leaked firmwares popping up, it shows they're working on it.
Okay guys so we know all attempts at hacking the bootloader to circumvent the efuse hasn't worked. I feel that the only way to crack this thing open is with the keys from MOTO. Its a slim chance it will actually work but if enough people complain and flood their inboxes somethings bound to happen. maybe. hopefully. Well I sent in an email to tech support and got a cookie cutter response that you can see below. I then was playing around with possible email addresses for the Co-CEO Greg brown I finally landed on his email with the help of someone else and his email is [email protected] I sent him an email to which he forwarded to a PR person I'm guessing and got a cookie cutter response. This pisses me off. Let's do something about it. Everyone send your emails to to that guy requesting the keys. Make the subjects not all locked bootloader or he won't even look at them I'm guessing. This is ridiculous and we need to take a stand. If you don't like the idea then that's fine but to everyone else send an email.
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:30 PM
To: Brown Greg Pres CEO-CGB025
Subject: locked bootloader
Greg,
Please provide me with the keys to my phone. I purchased this phone and I should be able to do what I want with it. How would you like it if you purchased a car and the dealership put a lock on the hood not allowing you to access the engine. You would then have to go to that dealership each time you wanted anything done even though you are a mechanic yourself. This is exactly what is happening here. I'm tired of you guys locking down devices that a consumer has purchased. If I should so choose to do stuff that would violate warranties then that's all on me. You can reply with the keys.
Thanks.
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Their reply
Thank you for contacting Motorola. Your e-mail below was forwarded to me to address for Mr. Brown.
Motorola's primary focus is the security of our end users and protection of their data, while also meeting carrier, partner and legal requirements. The Droid X and a majority of Android consumer devices on the market today have a secured bootloader. In reference specifically to eFuse, the technology is not loaded with the purpose of preventing a consumer device from functioning, but rather ensuring for the user that the device only runs on updated and tested versions of software. If a device attempts to boot with unapproved software, it will go into recovery mode, and can re-boot once approved software is re-installed. Checking for a valid software configuration is a common practice within the industry to protect the user against potential malicious software threats. Motorola has been a long time advocate of open platforms and provides a number of resources to developers to foster the ecosystem including tools and access to devices via MOTODEV at http://developer.motorola.com.
Thank you,
Anne Arroyo
Motorola Consumer Advocacy Office
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COME ON GUYS.
What's the email address? It's worth a shot.
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bkjolly said:
What's the email address? It's worth a shot.
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It's in the OP.
Email sent I will post it when I get the response.
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motorola don't care
You will get the same response... they feel they are protecting the end user which is us.... but also those who don't care to mod their droid x. They are operating under the excuse that someone may take the information and create a virus that would be able to take customer information... atleast that is the bull they are feeding the public. Not using the common since in their heads say... "we left the drod 1 unlocked and nothing significately bad happened." and they also like to say it will void the warranty.. bla bla bla... so no matter what you do all you will get is bullsh*t bullsh*t BULLSH*T.... until someone comes up with a valid excuse and manages to get through to an actual person... cause I would be willing to bet that... that is an automated response based on subject slash specific words in the body. no one with any power reads them and if they see anything envolving bootloader it is replied to in that fashion no matter what.
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You would be better off complaining if they don't want to unlock the bootloader, then they need to come up with a better more inventive and visualy apealing UI, cause BLUR is crap.
Motorola is starting to piss me off
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Motorola is starting to piss me off
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Same. They say they support the open policy but that's BS. I love the phone but will probably not buy another one. That being said I knew what I was getting into prior to buying the phone with the locked bootloader/eFuse. However, this being my first android phone I didn't realize how addicting customizing could be. ie. roms/kernals. well, I can imagine how addicting it would be.
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just emailed greg..
Guy, think about this for a second.
What CAN'T we do to this phone that we're already doing, besides maybe an optimized kernel? WITH efuse in place, the devs have managed to implement overclocking, voltage mods, easy rooting, system ROMing, etc. Its my understanding that with the D1, OCing and voltage mods were done by customizing the kernel. Well, here we are with the DX and doing it easily with the bootloader still locked down.
Now, I'd like to see that bootloader unlocked for the sake of doing it, but still...um, we've already gotten around much of what we were prevented from doing in the first place and all under efuse's nose.
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Same. They say they support the open policy but that's BS. I love the phone but will probably not buy another one. That being said I knew what I was getting into prior to buying the phone with the locked bootloader/eFuse. However, this being my first android phone I didn't realize how addicting customizing could be. ie. roms/kernals. well, I can imagine how addicting it would be.
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Haha I'm on the same boat as you, It is indeed addicting.
The whole point of motorola locking down the bootloader was to prevent people from gaining the type of access we want. I know that the BL situation is annoying, but I was also aware of it when I bought the device. Personally, root and tethering are all that I want; otherwise, I would have bought a DI or Fascinate.
Not trying to hate, but i have seen multiple failed "outraged email drives" directed at motorola over the months
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The whole point of motorola locking down the bootloader was to prevent people from gaining the type of access we want. I know that the BL situation is annoying, but I was also aware of it when I bought the device. Personally, root and tethering are all that I want; otherwise, I would have bought a DI or Fascinate.
Not trying to hate, but i have seen multiple failed "outraged email drives" directed at motorola over the months
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That's fine. I'm not looking for the approval of your nor anyone else. It was merely a chance for me to vent my frustration towards the man. And I know we have come far but it's more of the principle that they still have so much say with the device even though we own it.
Why don't just send them your custom ROMs so they can approve they are within their "QA"? huh?
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Why don't just send them your custom ROMs so they can approve they are within their "QA"? huh?
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I agree with that. Elect a team to build the ULTIMATE ROM and send to Moto. Show them what the devs can accomplish along with our user support.
We have to provide resistance and keep the pressure on them to stop this kind of lockdown for the future of modding/hacking devices.
Why ultimate, first we have to see what kind of roms they accept and which not. Then everyone will send it's own ROM.
And then we will sue them.
And then chuck norris... oh nothing
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You will get the same response... they feel they are protecting the end user which is us.... but also those who don't care to mod their droid x. They are operating under the excuse that someone may take the information and create a virus that would be able to take customer information... atleast that is the bull they are feeding the public. Not using the common since in their heads say... "we left the drod 1 unlocked and nothing significately bad happened." and they also like to say it will void the warranty.. bla bla bla... so no matter what you do all you will get is bullsh*t bullsh*t BULLSH*T.... until someone comes up with a valid excuse and manages to get through to an actual person... cause I would be willing to bet that... that is an automated response based on subject slash specific words in the body. no one with any power reads them and if they see anything envolving bootloader it is replied to in that fashion no matter what.
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I actually put it in my email not to give me that bull because everyone with half a brain knew it was a lie and that everyone that read it was laughing at Moto for thinking people were that stupid.
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SirBrass said:
Guy, think about this for a second.
What CAN'T we do to this phone that we're already doing, besides maybe an optimized kernel? WITH efuse in place, the devs have managed to implement overclocking, voltage mods, easy rooting, system ROMing, etc. Its my understanding that with the D1, OCing and voltage mods were done by customizing the kernel. Well, here we are with the DX and doing it easily with the bootloader still locked down.
Now, I'd like to see that bootloader unlocked for the sake of doing it, but still...um, we've already gotten around much of what we were prevented from doing in the first place and all under efuse's nose.
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The reason this is important is Moto's security gets tighter with every update. If we let them get away with it without at least trying to do something about it then they will continue to make security tighter and harder to work around. When other Manufacturers see that Moto got away with it they'll follow and eventually all phones will be locked down to the point that everyone is running the same Vanilla OS. The bootloader have a work around now but if we don't speak up it may not one day. They had no legitimate reason to lock the bootloader down it was just a show of force. Efuse is step one. So if you don't want Android ruined by the Manufacturers and Carriers speak up now. The Droid X is okay with a locked bootloader but they still put a leash on it and they're going to keep tightening it as long as we let them. Others will follow just watch HTC has already stared.
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Anyone want to start a web page for an online petition for Manufacturers not to lock down their phones? I would do it but I don't have the know how. But if we email this guy and start a web petition we have more of a voice. Call in to RadioAndroid and let the public know it's out there. This isn't just Moto we're fighting. We can stop other Manufacturs before they start or at least try.
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Anyone want to start a web page for an online petition for Manufacturers not to lock down their phones? I would do it but I don't have the know how. But if we email this guy and start a web petition we have more of a voice. Call in to RadioAndroid and let the public know it's out there. This isn't just Moto we're fighting. We can stop other Manufacturs before they start or at least try.
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There have already been two online petitions done.
Does http://en.miui.com/thread-254886-1-1.html work for the Redmi 3 as well?
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/guide-unlocking-mi4c-bl-verification-t3336779 ?
(or can they be made to work with the Redmi 3?)
Is it safe to assume that flashing unlocked redmi3 emmc_appsboot.mbn will help?
Haven't tested it though
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Does http://en.miui.com/thread-254886-1-1.html work for the Redmi 3 as well?
Or http://forum.xda-developers.com/mi-4c/general/guide-unlocking-mi4c-bl-verification-t3336779 ?
(or can they be made to work with the Redmi 3?)
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I'm also hoping for an answer to this. Really considering buying this phone tomorrow, but I don't want to have to request the privilege of using something I bought the way I want to.
All the information I have found so far mostly talks about using the official unlocking method, but then there are bits of other information that suggest you may be able to get around this, with nothing concretely stating it.
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I'm also hoping for an answer to this. Really considering buying this phone tomorrow, but I don't want to have to request the privilege of using something I bought the way I want to.
All the information I have found so far mostly talks about using the official unlocking method, but then there are bits of other information that suggest you may be able to get around this, with nothing concretely stating it.
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I honestly dont get whats the problem. Request unlock today, order it tomorrow. By the time you will get your phone, you will also get the permission
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I honestly dont get whats the problem. Request unlock today, order it tomorrow. By the time you will get your phone, you will also get the permission
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I'm hoping to buy the phone in person tomorrow, so it's not likely I'd get my code in time. Also I'm entirely against this practice of begging to use your own purchased hardware in the way you choose.
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I'm hoping to buy the phone in person tomorrow, so it's not likely I'd get my code in time. Also I'm entirely against this practice of begging to use your own purchased hardware in the way you choose.
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Its not begging. It's a security feature For the example, if someone steals your phone, they wont be able to easily take off all the locks to use/sell it. So yeah, its a great solution and one can always wait a bit.
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Its not begging. It's a security feature For the example, if someone steals your phone, they wont be able to easily take off all the locks to use/sell it. So yeah, its a great solution and one can always wait a bit.
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Some people have had their requests denied, it's begging. I appreciate the security concern, but that's not reason enough to lock people out of their OWN phones, just because you want to lock OTHER people out of them. I'd hardly call it a great solution, best solution would be to have the bootloader unlocked and let us lock it by choice which THEN requires a hassle to unlock.
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Some people have had their requests denied, it's begging. I appreciate the security concern, but that's not reason enough to lock people out of their OWN phones, just because you want to lock OTHER people out of them. I'd hardly call it a great solution, best solution would be to have the bootloader unlocked and let us lock it by choice which THEN requires a hassle to unlock.
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You do realize that most people don't care about that, hence it is locked by default? I do not see how it is great solution to unlock it by default
About denying it, some people dont put in a proper reason (or give some random reason) why they want to unlock their phones, so Xiaomi keeps the idiots away from bricking their phones (I suggest you looking at miui forums. People keep bricking their phones).
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You do realize that most people don't care about that, hence it is locked by default? I do not see how it is great solution to unlock it by default
About denying it, some people dont put in a proper reason (or give some random reason) why they want to unlock their phones, so Xiaomi keeps the idiots away from bricking their phones (I suggest you looking at miui forums. People keep bricking their phones).
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Another user seems to have mentioned that the chances of getting an approval has to do with making use of the Mi account so......
And how is 'most people don't care about that' a good argument? Protecting them from thieves (and themselves, I guess, as you've also said) is a much better reason/excuse.
Anyway the world of smartphones went well with flagships (, etc) using unlocked booloaders for years so why is the change suddenly needed?
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Another user seems to have mentioned that the chances of getting an approval has to do with making use of the Mi account so......
And how is 'most people don't care about that' a good argument? Protecting them from thieves (and themselves, I guess, as you've also said) is a much better reason/excuse.
Anyway the world of smartphones went well with flagships (, etc) using unlocked booloaders for years so why is the change suddenly needed?
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Oh, that user was just talking non-sense. I registered on miui, I requested permission (did not even have phone at a time) and I got that permission few days later after I received phone.
How is it a bad argument? Most people are just normal users. They do not care about roms, recoveries and stuff like that. They just want a working phone and, if xiaomi would open a massive security hole by default, it would be bad.
How many flagship devices have you owned, if you don't mind me asking? The last time I checked, pretty much all bootloader's are locked by default (even Google Nexus phones are).
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
wingsfortheirsmiles said:
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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wingsfortheirsmiles said:
I'd be interested in this, whilst I agree that the bootloader should be locked the process should be far more simple than what Xiaomi currently offers.
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It should be.... But while you are waiting for the solution for that, you might as well just request for the code
usblaidas said:
It should be.... But while you are waiting for the solution for that, you might as well just request for the code
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Agreed. Though I would say if people do want to unlock without approval that is at both the owner's right and risk. Especially here on XDA as opposed to the MIUI forums.
wingsfortheirsmiles said:
Agreed. Though I would say if people do want to unlock without approval that is at both the owner's right and risk. Especially here on XDA as opposed to the MIUI forums.
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Agreed. But anyone who bought that phone signed up for this. That's the main reason why I'm trying to calm everyone down
And honestly, comments which are saying that "we have to beg for permission" are ridiculous. If you really want to unlock the phone, you will wait for those 10 days. It is really not that bad. Plus, you will get a bit more friendly with MIUI, which I actually use as my main driver and I honestly believe that it is not that bad
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Agreed. But anyone who bought that phone signed up for this. That's the main reason why I'm trying to calm everyone down
And honestly, comments which are saying that "we have to beg for permission" are ridiculous. If you really want to unlock the phone, you will wait for those 10 days. It is really not that bad. Plus, you will get a bit more friendly with MIUI, which I actually use as my main driver and I honestly believe that it is not that bad
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Well, there I think we disagree. Some will want to use their phone asap or not want to be bound by Xiaomi's restrictions, rightly or wrongly. If there is a method to bypass it XDA would be the place to publish, test and feedback on it, with the usual disclaimer about bricking/losing the device.
And speaking personally, I want to throw CM/stock android onto my Redmi 3 as soon as I get it. I'll either try the workaround or wait, using my old phone instead.
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Well, there I think we disagree. Some will want to use their phone asap or not want to be bound by Xiaomi's restrictions, rightly or wrongly. If there is a method to bypass it XDA would be the place to publish, test and feedback on it, with the usual disclaimer about bricking/losing the device.
And speaking personally, I want to throw CM/stock android onto my Redmi 3 as soon as I get it. I'll either try the workaround or wait, using my old phone instead.
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I'll have to disagree here as well. If that was to happen (some sort of bootloader lock bypasser) it would happen in chinese forums, where most of the stuff comes from anyway. If you take a look at all the roms/recoveries published in here, they are, mostly, a reposts from miui forums.
And considering that every gold member on miui forums, who are actual devs, get priority for bootloader unlock (get key in like three days), they really will not bother developing something like that. Its just so much unnecessary hassle. They might as well just keep investing their time into fixing bugs on current custom roms
Honestly, we could continue this discussion for days. But currently, the only way to get your bootloader unlocked faster is becoming a gold member on miui forums or just waiting for ten days.
Any other discussion on this topic is not worth anything. We will give hundreds (or even thousands) of reasons why they should do things differently, but they will still stick with their current policies. Just like MediaTek does. They are supposed to releases their sources, but they won't. And nobody can do anything about that.
So I will return to my previous point. Anyone who bought this phone knew Xiaomi's policies. If someone does not like that, they can always buy phone from a well known brands. Of course, paying at least two times the price of what we are paying for this phone.
After all, I dont mind paying less and waiting 10 days for the well spec'd phone rather than paying twice and get my bootloader instantly unlocked.
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they really will not bother developing something like that.
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Which makes sense....but the Redmi Note 3 had such a solution developed for it (linked in the opening post) so......
davidnotcoulthard said:
Which makes sense....but the Redmi Note 3 had such a solution developed for it (linked in the opening post) so......
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I would like to point out that Note 3 has MUCH bigger user base.
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I would like to point out that Note 3 has MUCH bigger user base.
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..................yeah, I guess there's that.
but hey, who knows? Stranger things have happened than the Redmi 3 being unlockable without Xiaomi's approval.....
For starters, I've got the Tmobile version (not sure if that makes a difference, but I figured I should say it)...
I'm sure I tried everything I could except the method that involves the OTG cable. Trying to root it or apply twrp recovery only fails each and every time through odin.
I tried Smartswitch. I tried Kies... Kies actually took a really long time and I thought it was going to work, but it didn't.
I even tried to do some wifi/server things with another phone by using thethering (is what I believe it was)...still no luck.
The phone belonged to a sister of mine, but she couldn't remember the password she used to log in. She passed the phone on to my dad. He was never able to get in and now I've got it.
I thought rooting it would fix the problem, but that's because I knew about the chokehold security on it... the FRP business.
Can someone please help me? My sister says she's working on it (which probably means she isn't or it's on the back burner). I would really like to use the camera on the S5.
Is there another direction I can go in to get into this phone? It's driving me a little nuts at this point.
good luck getting around it without paying an unlocking company. if its actually your sisters phone, you might want to poke the bear, otherwise youre gonna be spending $?? to get it unlocked. I say ?? after the $ because of the variability of the price from site to site. I know that idoneapps.com does it for $35, and i trust their work completely, but ive also seen people talking about other sites advertising that theyll do it for less from companies out of zimbabwe. take the location of the company for what its worth. Anyways, poke the bear aka, your sister (no insult intended, just a euphemism)
Thanks -- offense taken. I hope she's able to recover the password. I was almost certain I'd get a reply like this. It's annoying, but here I go-a-pokin. Thanks.
geekery15 said:
Thanks -- offense taken. I hope she's able to recover the password. I was almost certain I'd get a reply like this. It's annoying, but here I go-a-pokin. Thanks.
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yeah, its the pits, but either spend some money for a third party workaround, or get your sister in contact with samsung
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good luck getting around it without paying an unlocking company. if its actually your sisters phone, you might want to poke the bear, otherwise youre gonna be spending $?? to get it unlocked. I say ?? after the $ because of the variability of the price from site to site. I know that idoneapps.com does it for $35, and i trust their work completely, but ive also seen people talking about other sites advertising that theyll do it for less from companies out of zimbabwe. take the location of the company for what its worth. Anyways, poke the bear aka, your sister (no insult intended, just a euphemism)
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youdoofus said:
yeah, its the pits, but either spend some money for a third party workaround, or get your sister in contact with samsung
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Come to find out that my sister had dropped the phone and couldn't turn it back on. She sent it to our dad... and he wiped the phone without thinking to turn off the security. He didn't know though... he came from an S4 and I don't think they had it on there. I've got a note 3 (my first real smartphone) so I had no clue this would happen.
He keeps telling me it's google and not Samsung. Apparently a year or so ago when he asked her for the password, she said she emailed google and they were going to send her the password in two weeks... I asked why two weeks and he couldn't give me an answer.
This truly is the pits. I'm literally still waiting for a call from either of them at this point.
Hello recently I received S8 SM-G950F.
It is updated to latest 9.0 One UI
Is there a way I can bypass or remove the FRP?
OEM locked, USB debugging is off also.
I'd be glad if someone could help me
Cheers
kenzyyy said:
Hello recently I received S8 SM-G950F.
It is updated to latest 9.0 One UI
Is there a way I can bypass or remove the FRP?
OEM locked, USB debugging is off also.
I'd be glad if someone could help me
Cheers
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Generally speaking to turn off FRP delete/remove all accounts from your phone if you can still get into system. IE: Google/Samsung accounts.
spawnlives said:
Generally speaking to turn off FRP delete/remove all accounts from your phone if you can still get into system. IE: Google/Samsung accounts.
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No I can't access it.
I'm stuck on setup screen..
I've found a solution (maybe) I have to flash combination firmware U4
kenzyyy said:
No I can't access it.
I'm stuck on setup screen..
I've found a solution (maybe) I have to flash combination firmware U4
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Should work but due to XDA rules not supposed to really support frp bypassing although there are plenty of how to's but maybe this thread might provide some insight.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/help/g960fxxs2brk3-combination-file-t3929228
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Should work but due to XDA rules not supposed to really support frp bypassing although there are plenty of how to's but maybe this thread might provide some insight.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/help/g960fxxs2brk3-combination-file-t3929228
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My case is the same. I've got the phone from close relative and he also doesn't know Google password.
It's a waste to throw this phone away really.
Thank you for replying me, have a nice day/night
Just google it my bro. Its not hard.
spawnlives said:
Should work but due to XDA rules not supposed to really support frp bypassing although there are plenty of how to's but maybe this thread might provide some insight.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s9/help/g960fxxs2brk3-combination-file-t3929228
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kenzyyy said:
My case is the same. I've got the phone from close relative and he also doesn't know Google password.
It's a waste to throw this phone away really.
Thank you for replying me, have a nice day/night
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LOL. Had the link said that Zeus came down from the heavens and gifted it upon Kenzyyy, while jumping on 1 leg and singing the hokey pokey.... Kenzyyy would have had the same exact case.
I don't know why everyone doesn't just say that they stole it/bought a stolen phone/were given the stolen phone from a friend that realized it was useless after they took it. It's amazing how 100% of the people on XDA asking for this, have this exact same scenario. Now, onto googling on how to crack 7 FRP locked phones for a friend
(He was gifted them, as he works in a cell phone repair shop & they give a discount on a brand new phone to those people...literally the same one anyone else could have negotiated to w/o an FRP phone)
Kidding...Kidding...But it was just to illustrate how preposterous these unoriginal fake stories always are. At least be a little creative, like you would be when scamming the MSL code from a Sprint rep. By claiming that you're a developer and need it to test your apps functionality.
[He was only gifted 6 phones, and they all had cracked glass and damaged OLED's. And those people actually paid $5-$10 more than the non-FRP phone trade in people that negotiated well. Had they not offered the trade-in, the people wouldn't have realized it was just a normal discount]
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LOL. Had the link said that Zeus came down from the heavens and gifted it upon Kenzyyy, while jumping on 1 leg and singing the hokey pokey.... Kenzyyy would have had the same exact case.
I don't know why everyone doesn't just say that they stole it/bought a stolen phone/were given the stolen phone from a friend that realized it was useless after they took it. It's amazing how 100% of the people on XDA asking for this, have this exact same scenario. Now, onto googling on how to crack 7 FRP locked phones for a friend
(He was gifted them, as he works in a cell phone repair shop & they give a discount on a brand new phone to those people...literally the same one anyone else could have negotiated to w/o an FRP phone)
Kidding...Kidding...But it was just to illustrate how preposterous these unoriginal fake stories always are. At least be a little creative, like you would be when scamming the MSL code from a Sprint rep. By claiming that you're a developer and need it to test your apps functionality.
[He was only gifted 6 phones, and they all had cracked glass and damaged OLED's. And those people actually paid $5-$10 more than the non-FRP phone trade in people that negotiated well. Had they not offered the trade-in, the people wouldn't have realized it was just a normal discount]
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I used to buy devices from police auctions 99% of which where frp locked. But by law I owned the devices. I had official paper work. So in these cases frp bypass was legit. But. Every ones brother cousin dad mom everytime forgot their password and I've heard the stories so many times now almost identical in each case. Its uncanny. ????
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I used to buy devices from police auctions 99% of which where frp locked. But by law I owned the devices. I had official paper work. So in these cases frp bypass was legit. But. Every ones brother cousin dad mom everytime forgot their password and I've heard the stories so many times now almost identical in each case. Its uncanny.
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Exactly. There are legit cases when people have them in their possession. But, when someone answers "My case is the same. I've got the phone from close relative...." It doesn't exactly exude confidence. It simply shows that the person literally didn't even try. I mean, who immediately says that their case is exactly the same, to the very first story they're told.
This ruins it for the rest of the people that legitimately have them. As the mods don't want many of these questions answered. Not only that, there are threads where it's posted in detail, yet the OP decided that they're too lazy to search on their own. Not exactly surprising from someone that states "My case is the same. I've got the phone from..."
If for nothing else, these are usually good for a laugh.
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It's not so absurd actually.
My neighbor gave me her s8 before moving back home. In fact she replaced it simply because of a tiny scratch... Some people? Anyhow. It never occurred to me until that night ****ing with it trying to reach her... She has yet to respond...I ended up trying to reset it and found this... Which I've never encountered before. I was a software engineer back in the day (University of Michigan Mathematics Dept.GO Blue!) and upon seeing this I figure piece of cake. Well I'm now impressed and indeed relish a challenge. For I really don't need the phone. But I'm considering a reflash approach.
I understand the purpose of such rules but it does stink when your real agenda is intellectual.