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Can we match the performance of the OP3T?

Why is the OP3T so much faster than the Pixel XL? Yeah, let's have this conversation.
Review after review (including XDA's own) has shown that the OnePlus 3T (and sometimes the OnePlus 3)outpaces the Pixel XL in synthetic benchmarks. Just have a look at this nice comparison put together by PhoneArena: [url]http://www.phonearena.com/phones/OnePlus-3T_id10313/benchmarks[/URL]
Aside from the BaseMark OS II benchmark, the Pixel and Pixel XL, despite having very similar hardware, are beaten in almost every performance-measuring test. If we have such similar hardware, why is this happening? Could it be the new F2FS file system on the OP3T? Or the faster CPU clocks? Maybe Oxygen OS? What about a different CPU governor? But why then does the older OP3 perform similarly?
Even the Moto Z outpaces the Pixel in storage benchmarks. This topic is investigated here. With a different filesystem and some software trickery, the Pixel's storage speed might be bolstered immensely.
Listen, the Pixel is a seriously fast phone. Coming from my Nexus 5X, it's night and day. It's easily the best phone I've ever used. Period. But I can't help wonder some of the questions above. Perhaps the real question is, can we get the Pixel to match the performance of the OP3T?

I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed

OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.

rohmbd said:
OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.
Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.

A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong

How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?

rohmbd said:
OP3T and Pixel do not have the same processor. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that uses the same power at a higher clock speed (OP3T) and one that uses less power at the same clock speed as the 820 (Pixel/Pixel XL). Additionally the OP3T has a 1080P screen which will also help with benchmarks.
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JU57US said:
How does the OP3T battery life compare to the Pixel XL considering the underclocked 821 but higher screen resolution of the XL?
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https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/21/oneplus-3t-review/
According to Engadget "It lasted 16 hours and seven minutes on Engadget's battery test, which involves looping an HD video with the screen set to 50 percent brightness until the device conks out. That's almost six hours more than the OnePlus 3's runtime, and two hours longer than the Google Pixel XL, which has a 3,450mAh bank."

Reuben_skelz92 said:
A pentile screen at 1080p is wrong
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LOL there is a phone called Google Pixel.
On topic though, yes I have seen that OP3T is significantly faster than the Pixel and Pixel XL both, I don't know how, but rather than incredibly fast app opening times I would rather take a phone which performs smooth consistently, for as long as a phone stays at/near 60 frames, the better. From all the videos I have watched I noticed that OP3's default animation scale is set to a much lower rate than the Pixel.

drmanhattan said:
What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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Really?
The original OP3's LCD screen was dimmer than the Pixel Xl and I thought the new OP3 had the same screen as the original?
Anyhow, if you want a brighter Pixel XL screen... then you might consider rooting and then installing ElementalX kernel + the High Brightness Widget mod.
This combo will get you the same extra high brightness as the Samsung Note 7's auto-brightness when the HBM gets activated.

I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light

drmanhattan said:
I don't know about that but I do know side by side it's visibly brighter. You can see below OPO 3t is blown out where as the pixel is exposed properly due to it letting off a smaller amount of light
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Gross.
I think you're confusing a blown out contrast/black level with a properly calibrated contrast/black level as being "brighter".
Contrast ratio vs black level
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/contrast-ratio-vs-black-level#JZuzUY7MzQgEb0T6.97
Yeah, the Pixel is waaaay better in that picture.

No buddy the screen looks great to the naked eye. you don't understand how cameras work, It's hard to show simple brightness in a picture. The reason it looks that way in the image is that it's letting off so much light that my camera settings over expose the image, but due to my pixel not letting off as much light it showed up perfectly fine in the image. There fore proving my point that the OPO 3t gets brighter than the pixel . With that said, They are both gorgeous displays

iceman4357 said:
Bingo! Our screen has a much higher resolution. Its not a fair apples to apples comparison.
Google also reduced the clock speed (slightly 200mhz I believe) to help maintain great battery performance.
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I don't really think firing the extra pixels is the whole reason behind the staggering difference in performance. Definitely during gaming, but app loading times, file transfers, raw CPU horsepower (crunching numbers) hardly have anything to do with the resolution of the screen.

I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..
I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.
Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..
So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.
Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!

Just because of this, we will now have a non EAS kernel

crowsnestitsupport said:
I personally use both side by side as well. I have 2 pixel XL's and a 128gb OP3T.. after 3 weeks, in my humble opinion the pixel is much better and much smoother and faster than the OP3T..
I just can not emphasize enough what Google has done with the optimization of the software for the hardware with the pixel. It is just the smoothest nicest fastest beast of a device out there. And the pixel flat footed walkes all over my op3t when it comes to battery and camera.. not even a comparison.
Is the pixel XL worth the extra $400??? Depends what's important to you.. if camera and battery life, then yes.. even my iPhone 7 plus can't keep up with my pixels in those categories..
So yes, while the OP3T may be clocked slightly faster and has more ram... Day to day it is NOT faster than the pixel XL.
Btw, I do love the thin feel and build of the OP3T though.. and the front facing finger print reader!
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Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.
mdalexca said:
Just because of this, we will now have a non EAS kernel
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Dope!

Alcolawl said:
Loving reading things like this. There is no better source than people that have used both phones day in and day out.
Dope!
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K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning

I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu
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mdalexca said:
K, it will be up shortly R19.NOEAS, may need some tuning
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You da man!
kkeith said:
I haven't used both however with the DU rom recently released which admittedly is the first time I benchmarked this phone I beat out the OP3 every time. Here's a ranking shot from last night on antutu
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Interesting.. And I was actually considering flashing DU soon. Or perhaps UberStock.

drmanhattan said:
I own both, the one plus is super nice and thin as far as performance goes there is no noticable difference in speed during real world usage. What i notice and long for is the brightness of the one plus screen is so much brighter than my pixel xl
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But a simple answer would be we have the same processor but the pixel is factory underclocked , you want the same bench mark results simply root and overclock/ normalize your process speed
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Curious, how does the smoothness/fluidity of the OP3T compare to the Pixel? I've used dozens of Android and iPhones over the last 7 years and never has an Android phone been so consistently smooth; it's legitimately iPhone smooth.

Pixel 2 versus HTC U11+ camera comparison

Here's my Pixel 2 versus HTC U11+ camera comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2kSmN9qtFc
And for those who enjoy pixel peeping, here are the full-resolution images as well https://goo.gl/cXBJQU

nickmgray said:
Here's my Pixel 2 versus HTC U11+ camera comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2kSmN9qtFc
And for those who enjoy pixel peeping, here are the full-resolution images as well https://goo.gl/cXBJQU
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Recording sound was much better on u11 but the still shots I liked the pixel better but u11 was very close both very solid cams

It's clear that at this point, just about any flagship camera since 2016 will offer great point and shoot results. We've reached the point where we have to pixel peep and split hairs to pick a winner.
The pixel's dynamic range is still incredible though.

Pixel 3xl IS 95% Pixel 2xl (photos)

Assuming (and we all are almost certain now) that the leaked images of pixel 3xl are right, and assuming the Chinese manufacturers who started making screen protectors and cases for the P3XL are accurate, i wanted to see how bad the notch could be in real life, and compare sizes with P2xl, so i bought one of the Chinese screen protectors for p3xl and started comparing it to my P2xl.
I can confidentially say that P3xl is 95% or more in size with P2xl, to a level that we can say ITS a P2xl with a screen stretched up around the notch..
You can see in the attached photos, putting the P3xl screen protector over the P2xl screen, the notch is as deep as the top bezel of P2xl, and the bottom bezel is almost identical in each..
Size is also identical, both phones have the same overall size (in screen protector photo over the back of P2xl)
Side bezels are more slimmer for my eyes..
Photos attached should clear everything out..

Thanks for clearing that i dont need to buy pixel 3 this year ?
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What he said!!

This is definitely going to be a dud, sticking with the Pixel 2 XL.

My Pixel 3xl is looking more and more like a OnePlus 6t!

Versus the Pixel 2 XL:
-Most likely a very similar LG P-OLED display (but notched): Nothing groundbreaking
-Still 4GB of RAM: So don't expect less app reloads
-Snapdragon 845: Slightly faster than the Snapdragon 835 in real-life usage, probably not even noticeable in most scenarios
-Supports wireless charging: Cool feature but not exactly a game changer (Coming from a Galaxy S7 edge, I don't miss it)
-Smaller battery
The only question mark that remains is the camera: Will it be vastly superior to the already great Pixel 2 XL camera? I have a strange feeling the hardware (sensor, lenses, etc.) will be the same, with only a tweaked camera app (that will be ported for the Pixel 2 XL anyway)
The more I think about it, the more I struggle to understand why the Pixel 3 XL exists.

It exists for OG Pixel owners to upgrade to.
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Versus the Pixel 2 XL:
-Most likely a very similar LG P-OLED display (but notched): Nothing groundbreaking
-Still 4GB of RAM: So don't expect less app reloads
-Snapdragon 845: Slightly faster than the Snapdragon 835 in real-life usage, probably not even noticeable in most scenarios
-Supports wireless charging: Cool feature but not exactly a game changer (Coming from a Galaxy S7 edge, I don't miss it)
The only question mark that remains is the camera: Will it be vastly superior to the already great Pixel 2 XL camera? I have a strange feeling the hardware (sensor, lenses, etc.) will be the same, with only a tweaked camera app (that will be ported for the Pixel 2 XL anyway)
The more I think about it, the more I struggle to understand why the Pixel 3 XL exists.
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Phazonclash said:
Versus the Pixel 2 XL:
-Most likely a very similar LG P-OLED display (but notched): Nothing groundbreaking
-Still 4GB of RAM: So don't expect less app reloads
-Snapdragon 845: Slightly faster than the Snapdragon 835 in real-life usage, probably not even noticeable in most scenarios
-Supports wireless charging: Cool feature but not exactly a game changer (Coming from a Galaxy S7 edge, I don't miss it)
-Smaller battery
The only question mark that remains is the camera: Will it be vastly superior to the already great Pixel 2 XL camera? I have a strange feeling the hardware (sensor, lenses, etc.) will be the same, with only a tweaked camera app (that will be ported for the Pixel 2 XL anyway)
The more I think about it, the more I struggle to understand why the Pixel 3 XL exists.
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Usually people upgrade every 2 years. The Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL may not be much better than the Pixel 2 or Pixel 2 XL since they're only a year old, but it's a pretty good upgrade from the original 2 year old Pixel or Pixel XL. Personally I can't wait to get a Pixel 3 XL. It will be a massive upgrade from my dying Nexus 6P.
People ***** and moan about the notch and chin, but I think the Pixel 3 XL is a fine looking device. I guess I'm like one of those parents who thinks their child is adorable even though it's ugly as sin...

Face_Plant said:
People ***** and moan about the notch and chin, but I think the Pixel 3 XL is a fine looking device.
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Exactly - if you hide the notch via blacking out its "corners", the Pixel 3 XL will look decent - almost like the 2 XL. If there is no default option for this, I'm sure that there will be Substratum overlays to do so.
I won't upgrade my 2 XL this year, this is completely pointless. But if my contract would be due for a new device, I'd definitely get the 3 XL.

The Pixel 3 is simply not worth upgrading from the Pixel 2. We get the camera update, same amount of RAM, the only major change is the processor from 835 to 845. Definitely not worth the money, considering how fast depreciation ocurrs. Most of the High End devices, LGV40, Galaxy S9, Pixel 3, seem to be at a standstill when it comes to any significant upgrades from their successor. The. Previous versions are nearly identical, Qualcomm 835 vs 845 is minimal, camera improvements are insignificant, with possible exception to the LG V40s 5 camera system. Anyone upgrading to latest version from previous versions is wasting money.

Time to take picture (camera launch speed)

There! Something just happened! Did you take a picture of it? Rate this thread to express how fast the Google Pixel 5 can go from "zero to picture". A higher rating indicates that launching the camera app and taking a photo is extremely fast such that you never miss an important moment, like when your cat attacks the couch again.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr4KUwf2e6E&t=10s
0:10 "Photo processing time without dedicated Pixel/Neural Core. I would like to see the processing time for a NightSight photo vs. Pixel 4."
According to this article, there is no need for the neural core, as the 765G has its own Computer Vision Image Signal Processor and a Hexagon-DSP: https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5-snapdragon-765g-1163847/
"Given that the Pixel 5 doesn’t include Google’s in-house Pixel Neural Core, it’s probably safe to assume that the 765G offers all the performance Google needs to run its Night Mode, HDR+, Super Res Zoom, and various voice features." - I hope so. Maybe Google simply wanted to keep the price down?
The 4a 5G will process HDR+/NightSight as fast as the Pixel 5, if the Neural Core is no longer needed!

NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s

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NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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I was a little worried that the camera might be slower than my 3XL, but based on this video it should be about the same.

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NightSight processing speed without dedicated Neural Core in "Pixel 5 - Quick speed test (Software & Camera)" https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsBFNwOSuw&t=55s
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That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.

jimv1983 said:
That is certainly noticeably slower than my Pixel 2 XL.
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I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures

Benjamin_L said:
I don't know what you are doing on yours but my 2XL certainly takes longer for night sight pictures
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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.

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My Pixel 2 XL does both night sight and just regular HDR pictures faster than what the video of the Pixel 5 shows. It's a very noticeable difference.
It makes sense considering the Snapdragon 765 is only slightly better than the Snapdragon 835 in some ways and actually worse in some ways and the Pixel 5 doesn't have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core like previous Pixels had that helped image processing.
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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.

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But the 765G has AI included so you can't say the PNC make the 2XL faster, as the same calculations can now be performed in the cpu at roughly the same speed or maybe faster. Also single and multicore performance is higher so I would doubt it's slower than the 2XL. It also depends a lot on the lighting conditions and if they are not good my 2XL is certainly slower than in the video.
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That video showed several pictures being taken not just night sight. When he went to view the picture you can see the progress on processing the picture. My Pixel 2 XL does that noticably faster. A lot of it happens in the background so not a huge deal but the difference certainly is noticable.
I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there. Also, benchmarks don't mean much for real world usage. If you really want to get a good idea of what the Pixel 5 performance will be watch some reviews of the OnePlus Nord which has the same processor and is almost stock Android. That doesn't necessarily mean the Pixel 5 will be as slow as the OnePlus Nord due to software differences but it certainly will be close.
My Pixel 2 XL battery life is getting pretty bad and it will be losing updates after December so it's time to get something new. I didn't want to lose that pure Google software experience so I decided to give the Pixel 5 a shot but if the performance is as poor as the One Plus Nord I'll be returning it. The slower photo processing is something I can live with.

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I'm not sure what you are talking about but the Snapdragon 765G does not have the Pixel Visual Core or Pixel Neural Core type of processing built in. That was very specific Google hardware designed to be optimized for the very specific purpose of computational photography. The Pixel 5 is certainly at a disadvantage there.
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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php

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The PNC is just a co-processor for machine learning/AI stuff. The 765G has similar AI TOPS as the pvc/pnc so a dedicated co-processor is not needed anymore. I don't know why people are going crazy about redundant hardware:
https://m.gsmarena.com/the_new_pixe...nt_mean_they_lack_the_features-news-45589.php
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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.

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The PVC and PNC were very specialized and optimized for a specific purpose. The co-processor of the 765G is more genetic. I guess that's better than nothing but it's not going to give you the same benefits as the specialized cores. If the genetic co-processor was good enough then the co-processor in the SD 855 in the Pixel 4, which is better than the co-processor in the SD 765, would have made the Pixel Neural Core in the Pixel 4 totally unnecessary.
There have already been reviews showing the camera app and the dual manual exposure controls that were in the Pixel 4 are missing which is likely due to not having the PNC.
It's unclear by the videos that have come out of the Pixel 5 has live HDR view but considering the fact that the Pixel 3 had a SD 845 (which is pretty comparable to the 765G) and the PVC but not the PNC and couldn't handle live HDR view and dual exposure controls I think it's probably likely that the Pixel 5 doesn't have either feature.
To summarize, SD 845 (which is better than the 765G) + PVC = Can't support HDR live view or dual exposure controls. That means 765G = No HDR live view or dual exposure controls.
So obviously the PNC is a big loss.
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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first

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What are you even talking about. Even the 4a has dual exposure and live hdr making all your points void. The PNC was used to support face unlock in the 4 as it was most likely very demanding to be quick. There are years of development between the 835 and the 765G. You just can't say as single or multi core performance is comparable they have the same features. Maybe do some research first
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I didn't compare to the 835 I compared to the 845. The 765G falls somewhere between the 835 and 845 in performance and capabilities. The Pixel 3, with the 845 with the PVC couldn't handle live HDR or the dual exposure controls. That's why the features weren't on the Pixel 3. That was in a statement from Google.
Snapdragon 845 + Pixel Visual Core > Snapdragon 765G. So to say that the Pixel 5, which has worse processors than the Pixel 3 can do things that the Pixel 3 can't do is just a lack of common sense.
If the Pixel 5 does have those features with a worse chip than the 845 and no PNC then why didn't the Pixel 3 have those features? Did Google lie?
Also, if the dual exposure controls are available on the Pixel 5 then why are the sliders used to control that feature missing from the camera app?
Here is a picture of the camera app of the Pixel 4 and Pixel 5. Notice that the Pixel 4 has the exposure controls while the Pixel 5 does not.

You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.

You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.

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You cant judge the camera on the Pixel 5 initial hands on. It is clearly not final software. reviewers have mentioned not all features are present. Hence the embargo from Google. They do not want reviews based on incomplete software.
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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
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You can't seriously believe the 5 will not get a feature the 4a has. It's even mentioned on the compare pixel devices website.
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So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.

I guess we'll find out soon enough. It's delivery day for many UK buyers

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I don't think the embargo is because of unfinished software but let's say that's true. Do you you really think software that close to final would be that much slower than any update that might be available the first time you turn it on? The image processing in those hands on videos is so much slower than what I'm getting on my Pixel 2 XL that it's clearly obvious. Any software improvements would have to speed up image processing by close to double for the Pixel 5 to process images faster than my Pixel 2 XL does not.
So I guess they must have moved the exposure controls somewhere else? As you can see in the screen shots I posted the Pixel 4 XL has the exposure sliders but in the other picture those sliders are clearly not there.
Also, as I already mentioned it would mean that Google wasn't being honest when it gave the reason why those features weren't added to the Pixel 3.
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Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.

pemz82 said:
Just received the phone - I can confirm exposure control is present out of the box. There is an update to the camera app pending also.
Speed of processing is very similar to my Pixel 2 XL.
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Was there an update as soon as you set it up? Are the exposure controls moved somewhere else compared to the Pixel 4? Did you have to enable them in settings? I didn't see that option in videos of the camera settings but the videos didn't show the advanced settings. Maybe they just have to be enabled.
I'm just trying to figure out why all the videos I've seen of the Pixel 4/Pixel 4 XL show the sliders but all the videos of the Pixel 5 have the sliders missing.
So I guess Google was lying about why the Pixel 3 didn't get live HDR view and dual exposure controls. That's interesting.

The exposure controls are there without having to turn them on. The sliders appear when you tap on the screen to set your focus. Not sure if that is different to 4/XL.
The camera app update is available as soon as you set up the phone. This made some tweaks to the UI and I think the different stabilisation modes including cinematic pan.

Regarding camera performance.

Once used Google Pixel XL. Then used Samsung Galaxy S9+, Oneplus 7T now using Galaxy S20+ honestly speaking no other phone can match the pixel XL's camera performance . Attaching a photo taken with pixel xl.

Looks more like an Alcatel Phone camera.

Sohag0910 said:
Once used Google Pixel XL. Then used Samsung Galaxy S9+, Oneplus 7T now using Galaxy S20+ honestly speaking no other phone can match the pixel XL's camera performance . Attaching a photo taken with pixel xl.
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You should have stuck with that pixel xl... It's amazing

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Once used Google Pixel XL. Then used Samsung Galaxy S9+, Oneplus 7T now using Galaxy S20+ honestly speaking no other phone can match the pixel XL's camera performance . Attaching a photo taken with pixel xl.
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Agreed...google's image processing just can't be beat. Very much considering picking up a pixel as a secondary device just for taking photos .

TBH that is a pretty horrible quality photo

Sohag0910 said:
Once used Google Pixel XL. Then used Samsung Galaxy S9+, Oneplus 7T now using Galaxy S20+ honestly speaking no other phone can match the pixel XL's camera performance . Attaching a photo taken with pixel xl.
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It's actually useless without a comparision to the same scene taken with the S20+.
But sure Pixels profit hugely from the Google camera app and its software processing. But as soon as use third-party apps you can see how dated the camera hardware/sensor is. Heck, the Pixel 5 still has practically the same old tiny sensor as the Pixel 2 ( Sony IMX362 vs. IMX363). Do some video recording in bad light conditions with a Pixel and the S20 and you will see the difference in sensor quality (in favor of the S20 of course).

I know my one plus 7 pro did so much better at processing than Samsung. The s20 isn't too bad but still most Def better on the market

TheMadScientist said:
I know my one plus 7 pro did so much better at processing than Samsung. The s20 isn't too bad but still most Def better on the market
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When it comes to camera hardware/sensors there is not too much better stuff than the S20 series. The Ultra is even a little better. And the Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra has by far the best camera hardware. But most phones just compensate for it with software (especially Pixels with their tiny sensors). If you used the exact same camera app (like some GCam port) on all those phones you would get a more objective comparison. Of course, most people just want a phone with stock software and no root or any deeper changes to the system. So overall camera performance can be compared on the DXOMark page for example.
And even if the S20 has the better sensor, the Pixel's Google software is just much better at processing giving it an overall better ranking.
I compared videos shot with the same app on several devices (Quick Video Recorder which can record with the screen off) and thus settled for the S20+. It was the only phone with better camera hardware than my 4 years old HTC U11. Both Pixel 4 and Xiaomi Note 10 Lite performed worse in regard to detail, lighting and noise.
If you just want a phone to go and shoot pictures with then yeah, get a Pixel.

Knotte said:
When it comes to camera hardware/sensors there is not too much better stuff than the S20 series. The Ultra is even a little better. And the Xiaomi Mi 10 Ultra has by far the best camera hardware. But most phones just compensate for it with software (especially Pixels with their tiny sensors). If you used the exact same camera app (like some GCam port) on all those phones you would get a more objective comparison. Of course, most people just want a phone with stock software and no root or any deeper changes to the system. So overall camera performance can be compared on the DXOMark page for example.
And even if the S20 has the better sensor, the Pixel's Google software is just much better at processing giving it an overall better ranking.
I compared videos shot with the same app on several devices (Quick Video Recorder which can record with the screen off) and thus settled for the S20+. It was the only phone with better camera hardware than my 4 years old HTC U11. Both Pixel 4 and Xiaomi Note 10 Lite performed worse in regard to detail, lighting and noise.
If you just want a phone to go and shoot pictures with then yeah, get a Pixel.
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I like the s20. It does do very well. I use a lot of the features. I do a lot in manual mode too. And previous models just didn't seem to handle as well as this. But I still like the op7pro for certain situations it does amazing