We all know that Mi A1 is having A/B partition unlike most of the devices we see in the world of Android.
It is good to have that, we can experience seamless updates but, Is this reason making difficult for the developers to build custom roms for this device?
Do we get builds from Lineage os in future?
Do we get custom roms like aosp extended, aicp, mokee os & many others?
Do all devices get aosp extended, aicp ,mokee within one month of launch?
Yaar have some patience atleast.
Let sources be out...
Vasu Netha said:
We all know that Mi A1 is having A/B partition unlike most of the devices we see in the world of Android.
It is good to have that, we can experience seamless updates but, Is this reason making difficult for the developers to build custom roms for this device?
Do we get builds from Lineage os in future?
Do we get custom roms like aosp extended, aicp, mokee os & many others?
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Hey, shouldn't be hard at all, the chipset is very common which means making the right commits shouldn't be too difficult, of course it all depends on xiaomi releasing the kernel source code. Once the device tree is setup,all roms are very easy to port.
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Will Mi A1 get project treble with oreo update?
what is that?
I hope YES...
mahla13 said:
what is that?
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The Android 8.0 release includes Project Treble, a major re-architect of the Android OS framework designed to make it easier, faster, and less costly for manufacturers to update devices to a new version of Android. Treble is for all new devices launching with Android 8.0 and beyond (the new architecture is already running on the Developer Preview for Pixel phones).Project Treble separates the vendor implementation (device-specific, lower-level software written by silicon manufacturers) from the Android OS framework via a new vendor interface.
In Android 7.x and earlier, no formal vendor interface exists so device makers must update large portions of the Android code to move a device to a newer version of Android.
But as far as I know project treble is only useful if they are using a custom UI like MIUI, Flyme or Touchwiz. Isn't it treble superfluous without a custom UI?
Localhorst86 said:
But as far as I know project treble is only useful if they are using a custom UI like MIUI, Flyme or Touchwiz. Isn't it treble superfluous without a custom UI?
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There are some little things, like Xiaomi's camera app. With treble Google could update the OS directly, and Xiaomi could update camera separately.
Am I right? It's more a question than an affirmation
Mendibil said:
There are some little things, like Xiaomi's camera app. With treble Google could update the OS directly, and Xiaomi could update camera separately.
Am I right? It's more a question than an affirmation
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I don't know. But I imagine Xiaomi could simply realease and update the camera app through the play store. Blackberry does this with it's core apps which can only be installed on blackberry devices.
Localhorst86 said:
I don't know. But I imagine Xiaomi could simply realease and update the camera app through the play store. Blackberry does this with it's core apps which can only be installed on blackberry devices.
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True. Motorola used to do the same (I don't know if actually does). Maybe Treble it's not that important for us, Android One users.
While Treble is focused on official Android OEMs, Project Treble should also be revolutionary for aftermarket Android ROM projects
https://www.xda-developers.com/why-current-oneplus-nokia-phones-wont-be-project-treble-certified/
We have /system/vendor....
But on the other hand, we have dual partitions, so maybe they dare to repartition. The beta will be out soon, so we will see.
More details about project treble https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/android-8-0-oreo-thoroughly-reviewed/2/#h1
so, any update about this as Beta is released in Mi a1. Did anyone find anything?
I can't find the link anymore, but I've had people test it on Oreo firmware and it was confirmed not to have Treble.
Unfortunately we will not
Until we don't get 4.4.x kernel, we won't get project Trebel. I've never seen a SD625 phone running the 4.4.x kernel so we should blame Qualcomm instead of Xiaomi (tested on a Moto G5 Plus).
Hello guys,
My query might seem totally obvious to some, but believe me it's genuine. And yes I've spent multiple hours on the internet searching about this but didn't find any satisfactory answer.
Now to the actual query, I wanna know what lineage os really is and how it is different from aosp. And I'm not talking about some fancy customisation tricks and additional features like button remapping or live display. I wanna know what is the difference at system level.
As most of the noticable features can be cherry picked and a ton on aosp roms also have those. How they are different at their very core, or are they not? What lineage os based offers over aosp roms?
Like most of the professional tech reviewers are so hyped about aosp roms but isn't lineage better ( except for some bugs) ?
PS- I first posted this on a lineage os rom thread, but then i realised it belongs more here.
AOSP is pure android, directly from google, without any modifications.
If you're talking about lineage as a mere software, it is just AOSP + some basic extra features added on top of it.
If you're talking about what all lineage is all about and why it's so famous and respected, read on.
AOSP or pure android needs hardware specific code patches [eg from CAF for snapdragon devices] for working on any device, so it's difficult to build it . While lineage has all these patches already present [Thanks to the hard working developers at lineage], so all you've to do is compile and enjoy . The work lineage guys do is massively used by almost ALL custom ROMs, yes you heard that right, without which those ROMs won't be possible.
I hope it clears your doubts
impulsar said:
AOSP is pure android, directly from google, without any modifications.
If you're talking about lineage as a mere software, it is just AOSP + some basic extra features added on top of it.
If you're talking about what all lineage is all about and why it's so famous and respected, read on.
AOSP needs hardware specific code patches [eg from CAF for snapdragon devices] for working on any device, while lineage has all these patches already present [Thanks to the hard working developers at lineage], so all you've to is compile and enjoy . The work lineage guys do is massively used by almost ALL custom ROMs, yes you heard that right, without which those ROMs won't be possible.
I hope it clears your doubts
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Okay, so if I understood it right, lineage is basically just a less broken version of newly released aosp distros with some features and all. They basically share the main software core.
Do correct me if i misinterpreted this.
The main reason I had this query was that roms like miui mess with aosp core too much. So I just wanted to know why lineage os is different from aosp?
And also thank you for the detailed explanation.
xEcuTR said:
Okay, so if I understood it right, lineage is basically just a less broken version of newly released aosp distros with some features and all. They basically share the main software core.
Do correct me if i misinterpreted this.
The main reason I had this query was that roms like miui mess with aosp core too much. So I just wanted to know why lineage os is different from aosp?
And also thank you for the detailed explanation.
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Yes you got it right
Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
dalebaxter01 said:
Hey everyone I just wanted to ask what this trebel label means, my lack of understanding and research tells me its kinda like OTA but for a more secure way to push updates to devices? being someone who has been using my device fine, am just a bit wonderous wondering what this Trebel means for my favorite ROM, Recovery and Kernel
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for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
bornlivedie said:
for the moment, forget about it
it's very green and brings more troubles than solutions or any gain in particular. We will see how things develop with time.
You can read more about treble in here
https://www.xda-developers.com/how-project-treble-revolutionizes-custom-roms-android-oreo/
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Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
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Reading the article I'm still a bit confused by what all this would mean for the end user, I really enjoy AEX since I moved from RR and it seems like this is the "latest and greatest" type of situation, yeah okay launches are tough but when everything smoothed out what would this treble allow us all to do?
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In reality, it means little to the end user. It could theoretically mean that ROMS require less development time, since all roms in theory are based on a single image.
You can kinda of see this with Google's OEM Partners. At Google I/O they listed a number of partner OEMs that were the first to use treble and for the most part they have released upgrades quicker and more reliably then there non-treble counter parts. This also can be extended to the modding community and in general means that porting roms and developing them on a new phone should be easier.
This is all part of a bigger push by Google to gain uniformity across devices. They started requiring security updates in there SLA's and now are pushing treble.
Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/13/project-treble-impact-android-custom-rom-community/
alwynjoshy said:
Trebles's All the benifits goes to vendor and stock rom users Rights. As we are Custom Rom users what are the benefits we getting from Treble Projects?
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In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
Oki said:
In the future you will be able to flash the custom treble image specific for your hardware, and then a GSI (Generic System Image) of your choice: RR, AEX, DU, Tesla, etc... that will be generic and able to be flashed in any hardware. That means that GSI development teams will be able to maintain their roms and apply the security fixes without the need to create custom rom versions for each hardware. So, finally we will have real OTA updates for custom ROMs. We all hope LineageOS 16 to have more or less this philosophy too. Well see it in September.
So, benefits for the user:
More ROMs to choose for your device (actually all of them!!!)
More frequent upgrades from custom GSI teams.
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thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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Once you have the Treble framework in place and have then flashed a device specific vendor image you can from that point on flash any GSI ROM. The thing to note is that so far NFound's Treble ROMs have included vendor image files in them which makes them device specific, you need to check for and remove any vendor image files from Treble ROMs created for other devices if you wish to try the ROM on a device other than what it was made for.
alwynjoshy said:
thanks you well explained ?️.
I have question, If we flashed treble once, are we able to flash any treble based rom, for example any devices treble roms
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A treble rom is hardware specific, so you cant flash a treble rom designed for a different device. Only GSIs are compatible with multiple devices, and it is this way since the hardware dependant part is only in the treble rom.
Right now there are not fully treble roms available for the Axon7. The currently available roms labeled as treble are delivered and work as a usual full rom. The treble and system parts are still mixed up in those roms. It will take some time until we could enjoy a fully wotking treble rom in the Axon7.
so after long searching it finally clear to me that
- treble partition and recovery are available
- Can flash GSI/Treble rom but with quirks, e.g. bluetooth, hotspot not working
- Missing shims? Updated vendor partition?
so we need a great dev to work on it??
if great dev starts the project and start a pool for collecting $$$ as support i'll gladly donate $10us I'm sure more people will join too....
especially now that MIUI has finally released the final version https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-note-3-final-miui-10-stable-update/
optionalmgrr.la said:
if great dev starts the project and start a pool for collecting $$$ as support i'll gladly donate $10us I'm sure more people will join too....
especially now that MIUI has finally released the final version https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-note-3-final-miui-10-stable-update/
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Who gonna rewrite vendor code? Its not devs work. It comes from vendor and silicon manufacturer. They knows their hardware. So they work closely with google to write vendor blobs.
Why u want treble rom? Flashing gsi doesnt give u more performance and stabilty. They are more buggy than non treble rom. Non treble rom are device specific so have less bugs.
Kenzo will get android 10 and thats enough. After that 5g phones will hit the market and all will rush for it. So dont assume kenzo will survive till 2050 if we make it treble :laugh:
5G is going to be a flop like 3D TV.
If there is official LineageOS 16.0 then it's ok, but all other ROMs are too flicky they don't even support SELinux.
All those 1000s of different ROMs are basically the same base just add on top different customizations. That's why all 9.0 ROM are SELinux permissive.
In short, too many fancy half-working stuffs without any substance. We need a substantiated deve to help us out of this mess......
optionalmgrr.la said:
5G is going to be a flop like 3D TV.
If there is official LineageOS 16.0 then it's ok, but all other ROMs are too flicky they don't even support SELinux.
All those 1000s of different ROMs are basically the same base just add on top different customizations. That's why all 9.0 ROM are SELinux permissive.
In short, too many fancy half-working stuffs without any substance. We need a substantiated deve to help us out of this mess......
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Do u even know how selinux works.
What do u mean they dont even support selinux.? Every rom has selinux support since kitkat.
Why dont u write ur perfect selinux policy and help to this devs so that it can be enforced on pie.
And whats there in lineage official rom which other roms dont have. Lineage official has its rules which cant be met for older phones which has old vendor blobs. Difficult to get official status.
And Who really give damn about lineage official.
Other roms are more customizable and have far more better and miles ahead in features then los rom.
And what u mean by mess? Xiaomi gave mm blobs coz official miui on android 6. Then from where we will get latest code if qualcomm is not updating code for sd650.
Only stuff is broken on pie is Vilte. If u have selinux priority then use Citrus.
ok thx
Forget about project trouble for our kenzo
I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
Im currently using stock A2017G B03 and move on with Huawei Mate 20x, i have been there done that with all known working GSI Roms and to be honest nothing feels as stable as stock especially when you need dolby atmos and banking apps, but if your device is not your primary device then you can try GSI Roms from Erfan or nFound.
Blankisblank said:
I'm currently using LOS 15.1 for my axon 7 but since it's not maintained anymore, I was wondering if there were any other ROMs that were being made or maintained for this device. Thanks in advance!
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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A lot of people have Treble'd their device and went with GSIs
I'm on LiquidRemix which seems to work nice with Speedy Vendor and Baddar Kernel
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So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
Blankisblank said:
So I'm a bit confused, is LOS not made from a GSI? Or what's the difference between GSI's like LiquidRemix versus LOS?
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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So GSI's like LiquidRemix or Havoc are supported across multiple devices while ROM's are built more to match that specific device? Would that be correct? And we have a supported ROM still?
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Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
ibphantom said:
When you Treble your device you split some partitions of your phone, particularly the vendor partition which opens the possibility of using ROMs from other phones. LOS offers a ROM version and GSI. The ROM versions are usually made just within the threads of the particular device. Some GSIs are broken, but that's because of a hardware mismatch but an updated vendor usually takes care of any mismatches. Each GSI/ROM has it's own custom set of features.
If you like LOS, you could try out the latest LOS16
But check out Havoc or LiquidRemix if you want to test GSIs
Keep in mind that we *may* have one official ROM supported for our phone. But GSIs are usually built monthly by a group of devs and they keep the security features up to date and make small changes like the AOSP public chain from Google.
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ibphantom said:
Yeah. GSIs are meant to be shared across devices with similar hardware and issues with a broken GSI are tweaked by having an updated Vendor file. ROMs are specifically made to match all the hardware in a particular model of phone. I think all the ROMs for the Axon 7 are unofficially supported at this point, which means a 3rd party dev decided to pull the source code of a popular ROM like Lineage and build it for our particular model just because they were feeling nice and appreciated by the people who use it.
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Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
Blankisblank said:
Okay so one last question, is there anything that you lose from moving to a GSI compared to a ROM? Like for example, would I still be able to use the superior audio DAC of the axon 7 or would that not be possible since that's too device specific? Thanks in advance!
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Not that I know of. I'm able to use VoLTE and Viper4Android for the HD DAC and I'm on GSI.
Edit: And now that I remember, you should check out raystef66 ROMs. Those are still active for our phone and from an awesome dev.