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Which head unit is this: pumpkin /joying

Hi
These seem to be same unit... Maybe specs are a little upgraded on joying:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ood6RvLro
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0QUaVJfPv8M
Any idea who makes them? .... Ideally an aliexpress link?

m.r.davies said:
Hi
These seem to be same unit... Maybe specs are a little upgraded on joying:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H9ood6RvLro
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=0QUaVJfPv8M
Any idea who makes them? .... Ideally an aliexpress link?
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Pumpkin is a reseller. Joying appears to be a manufacturer. These are RK3066/RK3188 based head units.
More information can be had here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2660662.
Links to manufacturers and stores: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60512706&postcount=11813

cool
this one is way cheaper!!
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Andr...o-GPS-Bluetooth-WIFI-RDS-800/32301685430.html

m.r.davies said:
cool
this one is way cheaper!!
I bought that one but with the 1024x600 screen resolution and it works great. If I were buying again, I would upgrade to the RK3188 quad core and 1024x600 resolution version.
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That's the unit I've gone for
Quad core and 1024x600 screen
What would you say the down sides?

m.r.davies said:
That's the unit I've gone for
Quad core and 1024x600 screen
What would you say the down sides?
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Mine works great! No downsides really. Audio sound is good when you adjust the equalizer. Bluetooth sound is ok. A little slow to boot but it is ok with me. I use pre-rooted ROM from Malaysk and add Apex launcher.
Only small issue is when listening to music, starting another app, like GPS, causes the sound to be choppy for a few seconds. This might be fixed with your quad core.

Check out this thread about this unit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...oying-rk3188-rk3066-2-din-head-units-t3193170

satellite radio?
I just bought a vw passat tdi 2015. the stock radio is pretty bad.and no gps .
i was looking at these.. I am wondering if you can get satellite radio with these units? i have not seen anything about it .and if so how?

Does anyone know a nice head unit that has or can use sirius xm satellite radio and not just the apk for it..

New Joying PX5 units

Looks like our friends at Joying released their PX5 units. They seem pretty snappy and some units even include a DVD unit ?. Question... Anyone bought yet? What amp chip are they using and is it better than the Intel ones? How would it compare to the Xtrons 4GB PX5 unit? Would that be better? Not familiar with their support of their units...

bogdi1988 said:
Looks like our friends at Joying released their PX5 units. They seem pretty snappy and some units even include a DVD unit . Question... Anyone bought yet? What amp chip are they using and is it better than the Intel ones? How would it compare to the Xtrons 4GB PX5 unit? Would that be better? Not familiar with their support of their units...
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we also found the PX5 head unit .on their new website . I also do not know how to choose . but my friend said the CPU will be faster than Intel .
and can support more new features ? carplay , android auto ?

CandyLam111 said:
we also found the PX5 head unit .on their new website . I also do not know how to choose . but my friend said the CPU will be faster than Intel .
and can support more new features ? carplay , android auto ?
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Nah...the new px5 performance wise is a hair slower than the Intel. Still runs hot too. Plus with the custom ROM on the Intel units, way better. Google assistant works now, even Alexa.
And we have Xposed on the Intel units.
If you have to choose, go with the joying Intel unit I would say. And Android 8.0 on some of the newer units...what for? To slow things down? Maybe Android go...but not yet.

Best 2 Din 10.1 inch Android Radio

Which are the best options for a 10.1 inch android 2 din head unit?
Seen a few options between Joying or Xtrons? Does anybody recommend a specific model from either of these brands?
Only real preferences is how deep the front screen panel sticks out. Keep it to a minimal, or make it rotatable.
Any recommendations?

ALSO! Plus points for how much support there is out there for the model, either from the manufacturer or through the XDA forums.

mdis89 said:
ALSO! Plus points for how much support there is out there for the model, either from the manufacturer or through the XDA forums.
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In terms of XDA support I think your best bet is a MTCD/MTCE PX5 unit. Great custom roms, utilities and customisation.

millab said:
In terms of XDA support I think your best bet is a MTCD/MTCE PX5 unit. Great custom roms, utilities and customisation.
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Have any links to units?
Do many double din unit have an audio in port/wiring? Ive read I'll need it to keep my factory fitted reverse sensors working

Have a look at units by Eonon or XTRONS. - I believe if you get a unit customised for your car that it includes a module to retain stock functions like that.

You’ll want the new joying intel based head units they just came out with. They have a new dsp chip in it that will make a massive difference in audio. They also have 4G for them too. They have optical Spdif digital audio output as well.

I heard the new Joying don't have fast boot though. Can anyone confirm?
I'm looking for the best double-din out there right now myself. Any direction would be helpful. Thanks.

New joying intel octacore units has fastboot working

Thanks.
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I ended up with this Eonon unit in the end:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07J2RNNQF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Seems ok so far, the screen is rotatable too.
However, if i may return it and get the joying 4GB Octacore unit instead.
Does anybody have it? And any photos of how much it protrudes out the dash?

mdis89 said:
I ended up with this Eonon unit in the end:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07J2RNNQF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Seems ok so far, the screen is rotatable too.
However, if i may return it and get the joying 4GB Octacore unit instead.
Does anybody have it? And any photos of how much it protrudes out the dash?
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I would return it and get a PX5 headunit instead.

Comparation between 2 Eonon units

Hello mates,
I want to buy 2din android head unit for Mazda 6 GH 2009. Via Eonon website I can find 2 models almost similar and I don't know wich one is more powerfull, so the two options are :
1) Eonon GA9198B - PX5 1.5GHz Cortex A53 Octa-core 4GB DDR3
2) Eonon GA9298B - Rockchip PX30 1.5GH Cortex A35 Quad-Core 2GB 2GB RAM
I know is a huge difference between 2 and 4 GB ram but I don't know anything regarding those two cpus ... Any Ideea ?
Also will be much apreciated if you sugest other head unit better then those two mentioned.

Hey! I definitely recommend the PX5 over the PX30 - the PX5 is faster, more established and has lots of support on XDA. Have a look in the MTCD forum if you want to know more about these units.
I have an Eonon GA2171S which is PX5 and it is great, and there are lots of mods available. I definitely recommend installing Hal9k 3.1 ROM for full functionality.

millab said:
Hey! I definitely recommend the PX5 over the PX30 - the PX5 is faster, more established and has lots of support on XDA. Have a look in the MTCD forum if you want to know more about these units.
I have an Eonon GA2171S which is PX5 and it is great, and there are lots of mods available. I definitely recommend installing Hal9k 3.1 ROM for full functionality.
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Any reason not to go with a PX30 , I'm looking at the GA3175 as the price is good and specs seem pretty good.
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I take it you mean the GA2175? See my previous post - PX5 is faster and has much better support here at XDA for mods etc. I'm not aware of any ROMs for PX30, while PX5 has Hal9K 3.1 which really fixes all the shortcomings of these types of units.

millab said:
I take it you mean the GA2175? See my previous post - PX5 is faster and has much better support here at XDA for mods etc. I'm not aware of any ROMs for PX30, while PX5 has Hal9K 3.1 which really fixes all the shortcomings of these types of units.
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Yes GA2175, i saw your post and i'm not interested in rom availabilty as yet so thats no issue. Was wondering if i would be disappointed with it over a 2170/2170B, 2175 is currently $214 versus 2170B $274. Fitting kit for my canbus Landrover was $185 which has killed the budget a bit.

Ok fair enough, the PX30 will be a little slower, but in all there won't be a lot of difference. Screen and components will mostly be identical. Out of interest why are you getting a canbus fitting kit?
Couldn't you find a unit which fits your vehicle?

millab said:
Ok fair enough, the PX30 will be a little slower, but in all there won't be a lot of difference. Screen and components will mostly be identical. Out of interest why are you getting a canbus fitting kit?
Couldn't you find a unit which fits your vehicle?
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Nothing off the shelf and i would need the fitting kit anyway for the wheel controls and canbus integration.

hangover68 said:
Nothing off the shelf and i would need the fitting kit anyway for the wheel controls and canbus integration.
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Oh ok, yeah the ones which are made to fit certain cars generally already have the canbus functionality so don't need a fitting kit. What model land rover is it? I can see some for a 2007-2012 Freelander 2 like this:
http://xtrons.com/pb78dlrpl-android...with-7-display-custom-fit-for-land-rover.html

millab said:
Oh ok, yeah the ones which are made to fit certain cars generally already have the canbus functionality so don't need a fitting kit. What model land rover is it? I can see some for a 2007-2012 Freelander 2 like this:
http://xtrons.com/pb78dlrpl-android...with-7-display-custom-fit-for-land-rover.html
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Discovery3, i looked at that but i cant see how that would work in mine as they share the same fascia, i have ordered an Aepro kit and still deciding which head unit to buy.

Joying Android 8.1 4/32Gb with Intel SC9853i or Dasaita Android 9 4/64Gb RK3399-PX6?

Looking to buy a new android head unit, after some research , most likely I would go for one of the 2 below:
Dasaita Android 9.0 Car Radio 2 Din GPS- 2018 PX6 Built-in DSP IPS Screen 4Gb+64Gb 6-Core RDS WIFI Bluetooth
Joying New 10.1" 1 Din TDA7851 Android 8.1 Car Radio Player Multimedia GPS Navigation Audio Stereo DSP
Dasaita is a 6 cores - 2 cores running at 1.8Ghz, 4 at 1.5 Ghz, the benchmarks shows this unit performing better on the single core test, Joying is winning the multi-core. Not sure how much of a difference is going to be in a real life normal usage. Both units should perform nice. Joying unit comes with the new 8 core Intel SC9853I with 1.8Ghz per core, from what I read on this forum, looks like this product doesn't feel as solid as the Dasaita unit, still things that are being fixed through monthly updates from the manufacturer. Joying has SPDIF Coaxial digital audio output, Dasaita has HDMI out for video as distinctive features for these two units. One big concern would be regarding the Joying unit that it might get hotter than the Dasaita unit plus the not so polished software. Not sure which one to go for, I would appreciate your take on this, if you own any of these 2 units. PX6 RK3399 or Intel Airmont SC9853i ?

Hi, as being switched from px5 to the joying intel sc9853i head unit, i would definetly choose the dasaita px6 for below reasons;
1- Cpu power does not means everything and intel cpu gets very very hot 80~100 C during summers, of course this could be avoided by adding extra fan along with a heat sink but small one hence there is not much space inside the cage
2-PX6 is most known platform and lots of flexibility cos its a well known product unlike the joying intel head unit
3- Software of the joying is terrible, there are a lot of bugs and those will be affecting your daily driving experience and they will make you crazy after a while believe me
4- There is a joying support only allegedly, most of the time they can not be able the solve the problem and that garbage intel head unit has a lots of way to go to become a normal daily usage head unit
5- SPDIF is not a game changer option by itself, i have done side by side rca-spdif outputs and there is a very tiny difference in terms of audio quality
6- There is no xposed framework support which is tremendous effect on head unit ( I am putting this as a standalone remark hence this could fix the some of the bugs)
I hope these are the answers which you looking for..
cheers..

julien_blanche said:
Hi, as being switched from px5 to the joying intel sc9853i head unit, i would definetly choose the dasaita px6 for below reasons;
1- Cpu power does not means everything and intel cpu gets very very hot 80~100 C during summers, of course this could be avoided by adding extra fan along with a heat sink but small one hence there is not much space inside the cage
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The PX6 can also become very hot. Same issue with all the faster CPUs.
Another point is rooting/Xposed/custom roms: I'm sure that Malyask has a PX6 custom ready in the near future. He already made one for the PX30 (don't buy a PX30).
And HAL9K most probably will have a PX6 custom rom pretty soon as well as he is "sponsored" by some Australian vendor of those units.
Due to the new flashing technique used on the 9853i (compared to the Joying Sofia and PX5), it is now also possible to make a custom rom for the 9853i. (but as long as my PX5 is working properly I will not switch to a 9853i and maybe never).

I have same dilemma as you. I tried to list out pros and cons for each in my opinion.
Above all else, I just want it to sound really good.
Dasaita px6 dsp pros:
Android 9 vs 8.1
Rockchip platform seems to have more longevity / development vs intel ?
Mali 864 vs Mali 820 (not a huge deal)
Faster single core performance
HDMI out (nice to have)
2 camera inputs
3 1.5 amp usb outputs
Cons:
Need to purchase android auto / carplay dongles separately (100+ for both)
No spdif out
Screen not easily / quickly removable
Unsure if canbus adapter for chevy cruze is compatible
Joying 8.1 intel DSP pros:
spdif out
android auto / apple carplay support built in via zlink
Easy to remove screen
Seem to have good technical / customer support?
Joying makes a direct 7 inch oem style replacement for my 2011 silverado vehicle, which makes getting harness / canbus adapter easy....
Faster multi core performance from CPU
Cons:
No video out
Android 8.1
usb / bluetooth limitations?
overheating issues potentially (live in phoenix lol)

I personally still using the 3 years old PX3 from Joying.. had twice the screen replaced for free due to cabling fault
and by looking at some reviews for the new units and build quality, I'd say they are quite good. They even produce variants screens like the 8" one that looked pretty solid.
The only downside I may think of is only the Android/software support for the Intel units. You are pretty much only relying on 1 single seller/manufacturer for the updates, unlike MTCx units.

WOW! Also I'm in big dilema ...which HU i'll have to choose: joying, xtons, witson, eonon, daisata, so many brands .... I was determinated on Joying with Intel SC9853i, because at this moment they offer HU with best hardware specs on the market, but after I read this thread and this one I have big reservations.... For me and my car best fit is a HU with buttons, not only touch. I prefer this ones because they looks closer to the original media player.
So, after 1 week of searches, digging, I have to face it with this conclusions:
-Joying have best hw specs on market, 8Cores Intel SC9853i, built in DSP, responsive support, but many bugs;
-Xtorns have a good build quality on their HU, maybe the best, sadly NO built in DSP, more expensive than competition, they have 6Cores PX6 on their lastest HU, not so much info on this forum about xtrons and their rom stabiltiy or support;
-Witson, I'm witson old HU owner, quad core, 1GB ram, and the experience was average, because the lack of ram memory, but after 2 years it still working. Now they offer 8Cores Px5 with a fair price, NO DSP, also not much info about support
--about other brands I have no knowledge, so no opinion!
After this conclusion, now I'm aimed on Xtrons, but in no hurry! I think if they had DSP on their unit, it was a 1st choise for me...so I have to find more info about user experience with this brand. Maybe someone share his experience/opinions about xtrons , and why not, about anyother brands to complete this thread!
THX!!

surfer63 said:
The PX6 can also become very hot. Same issue with all the faster CPUs.
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Very hot is a relative subject. The question is does it become as hot as Intel and throttle? I think in the past also Intel units had more heat related issues than other units. But more importantly, you never know when Intel will stop supporting the platform. It is new and risky.
That said, Joying Intel units have 2s boot. I haven't seen any PX6 unit which claims to support this. I wonder why? as PX5 units had this feature???

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Very hot is a relative subject. The question is does it become as hot as Intel and throttle? I think in the past also Intel units had more heat related issues than other units. But more importantly, you never know when Intel will stop supporting the platform. It is new and risky.
That said, Joying Intel units have 2s boot. I haven't seen any PX6 unit which claims to support this. I wonder why? as PX5 units had this feature???
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Of course heat is relative. But the PX5 definitely got hot and started throttling down. Cooling it was one of the first things I had to do. I was not able to find the specs back, but the px6 iss comparable to the PX5.
Lots of home media units contain PX5s and cetainly need a big heatsink. Based on same spec measurements I guess it is the sam for the PX6 (but I can't prove, as I can't find back these measurements )
the 2seconds startup has nothing to do with the CPU, but with the additional hardware: the MCU and MCU firmware. Only the FYT based MCU types can do this.

@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.

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@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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I don't know whether they have or have not PX6 models. Joying only has the 9853i models from Fyt. There are however more FYT resellers than Joying.
Why do you want to have a PX6? You want a good functioning unit with as few bugs as possible. Performance wise it doesn't make a big difference, if any.

The downside for Intel socs is the precious trial with Intel Sofia units.
Manufacturers bet for Intel two-three years ago and moved fast again to rockchip platforms leaving Intel Sofia's with no support
In my opinion dont let be tempted by hardware specs...here the key is the software.
These units have hardware enough for the extrnse use for the car environment....if software is not stable....then your headunit is useless manufacturers don't give you the correct support (the most often case) then you have to move to any developer support....
Today the MTCD/MTCE based mcu units are the best developing supported (thanks to malaysk and hal9k) both are moving to px6 now.
With respect to which brand....in my opinion...many manufacturers claim warranties but no answer when troubles appear. I can recommend Dasaita (you can read many posts in which dasaita has been made the correct support for customers)
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I followed Intel path for 2 important features that matters for me:
1. Fast boot. My unit is up less then 1 second and this aspect is very important.
2. DSP that gives a much better sound quality and settings compared with any PX solution I've tested.
And another big factor that made me decide was that HU i bought looks 100% like OEM unit including UI menu and is plug & play for all car features. Is not Joying brand but is based on same FYT solution. Now i am looking to find a way to root this device.

How bout the nee Belsee 9.0 units? How do they compare? They have a plug and play for the 9th gen accord. Cant find any info on Belsee

yurtesen said:
@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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So is that fast boot a hardware thing or software based?

ricanxd said:
So is that fast boot a hardware thing or software based?
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Both. It is done by the MCU hardware and MCU firmware from FYT. It is not in the android layer. That is only reacting on it.

Px units have a sleep mode and waking up from sleep is instantaneous.
During sleep just few mah are consumed.. so no worries on draining battery
Px u mints have also dsp...did you tried a px with dsp before to be compared with your fyt with dsp?
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ikerg said:
Px units have a sleep mode and waking up from sleep is instantaneous.
During sleep just few mah are consumed.. so no worries on draining battery
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The non-FYT PX units have a sleep mode of 5 minutes to something like 2 hours. Within this time frame they wake up instantanious. After max. 2 hours (or so), they switch off completely and cold-boot again needing 25-45 seconds to get to live again.
The FYT-units, both Intel and PX units, have deep-sleep and a 2-4 seconds wake up (the extra 2-3 seconds due to the MCU). Also after 4-5 days this wake-up is still 2-4 seconds!! And it does not drain your battery. The current is so low that a normal car battery can at least last for 30+ days before reaching 50% load, necessary to be still able to start the car.
That is a huge difference between the FYT units and the non-FYT units.

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The non-FYT PX units have a sleep mode of 5 minutes to something like 2 hours. Within this time frame they wake up instantanious. After max. 2 hours (or so), they switch off completely and cold-boot again needing 25-45 seconds to get to live again.
The FYT-units, both Intel and PX units, have deep-sleep and a 2-4 seconds wake up (the extra 2-3 seconds due to the MCU). Also after 4-5 days this wake-up is still 2-4 seconds!! And it does not drain your battery. The current is so low that a normal car battery can at least last for 30+ days before reaching 50% load, necessary to be still able to start the car.
That is a huge difference between the FYT units and the non-FYT units.
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That is not true.
Px units (like mtcd) have a unlimited time sleep mode.
Just when detects low voltage of battery they shut down.
I had my px5 5 days on sleep mode without issues and waking up instantaneously
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ikerg said:
That is not true.
Px units (like mtcd) have a unlimited time sleep mode.
Just when detects low voltage of battery they shut down.
I had my px5 5 days on sleep mode without issues and waking up instantaneously
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That is really great to hear. Until now I was really under the impression that only the Joyings did that.
You mention the PX5 (mtcd). Was that also true for the PX3 (mtcb)? I have seen many videos/images where they showed in the Settings this "switch off after xx minutes" (or whatever it was exactly called).
For me that was the only reason to choose a Joying. Cadillac Mike did quite some reviews where he also discussed the mtcd units and the Joying. He specifically mentioned the quick-start of the Joying. Unfortunately he removed all non-Seicane videos from Youtube and now seems to be paid by Seicane (and changed to 5after12 as user name).
And as all mtcd units are compatible: does that mean that what you say is valid for all px5 units?

On my px5 still the Menu allows you to choose between some.time to shut down or auto sleep....if you choose auto sleep...it lasts for days prioritizing the battery of the car as now it has a voltage meter to achieve this
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