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Essential Phone vs Oneplus 5

Hi everyone,
I just wanted to get an idea of what you all though about the essential phone vs the oneplus 5. Why you bought/or thinking of buying one over the other...

LOL, don't waste your time... OnePlus 5!
I have a OnePlus 5 (8/128) and i don't want this ugly Essential Phone

Pho3nX said:
LOL, don't waste your time... OnePlus 5!
I have a OnePlus 5 (8/128) and i don't want this ugly Essential Phone
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The essential is beautiful

If there is a decent amount of development for it, I'll most likely consider getting one

For me, oneplus 5 is the most essential phone so far!

The biggest selling point for me would be custom software development. OnePlus was always well supported. OnePlus 5 had working recoveries and root within a week from its launch.
Essential is pretty new to the game, so let's see what it can do.
Being created by Andy Rubin I assume it should be pretty developer-friendly.

What really makes the Essential phone better than the OnePlus 5? I really don't see anything outside of a bezel-less screen
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Essential has no headphone jack. A pointless device that just blindly follows the latest trends. And the kernel sources aren't released for it yet, that should give you an idea how dev friendly it is.

Caitlin550 said:
That's your opinion really. In a few years OnePlus will make a move to Meizu style, so watch your words. OnePlus 5 and older OnePlus devices are open for vulnerablities.
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Any sources to vulnerablities present in 1+ phones?

Caitlin550 said:
Headphone jack will soon be removed on other phones after 2018 or 2019
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Well I'll just be removed from the list of their potential customers.

Caitlin550 said:
Do your research and then you will find out.
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No way. You are the one who brought it up so it's up to you to defend your position. Both the OnePlus 5 and Essential run Android, and there's nothing about one device being cheaper that means it's more open to vulnerabilities.
If you're referring to the ability for App Locker to be bypassed, that's going to be resolved with a system update, and any device could have had a similar flaw
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Removing the headphone jack is kinda stupid in my opinion. Other than saving space and making it possible for the phone to be even thinner, there's no real benefit to removing it.
What's next to be removed? The charging port and force us to use wireless charging? If the phone has to sit on a stupid pad, it's not truly wireless. Unless I can walk around the house with it, while it's charging, it's not truly "wireless". Wireless means no wires, but it also implies mobility/freedom.

That has nothing to do with the OnePlus being a "cheaper" device. It's part of the compromises made for a very developer-friendly phone. I'm sure if the Essential's bootloader is easily unlocked, people will find some vulnerabilities with it as well.
Samsung and BlackBerry have focused on security for their phones, which often means locked bootloaders and limited access to modding abilities (not that it isn't possible, but once you do, you completely break their security layer (Samsung Knox, for instance).
There is absolutely nothing to suggest Essential has a security barrier like Knox, so your point is pretty much meaningless in a thread comparing OnePlus to Essential.
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I'm on the fence between the OnePlus 5 and the Essential phone, myself.
After owning a long line of Nexus devices, a OnePlus 3, then a Google Pixel XL, I made the switch to the Galaxy S8. Overall, the S8 has actually been great. But it does come with its annoyances, namely Samsung CONSTANTLY trying to push their proprietary apps through random weekly notifications and the Bixby interface. I've disabled a lot of the Samsung bloatware apps but the phone still lags/hangs more often than my OnePlus 3 or Pixel XL ever did, which is just sad. So I'm ready to get back into the more "pure Android" experience.
I was initially planning on holding out until the Pixel 2/Pixel XL 2 were announced but reputable rumors are consistently showing that the regular pixel will just have a 5" screen with huge bezels again and the XL 2 will be a monster of a phone with a 6" screen that matches the size of the S8+ but with even larger bezels. It will be pushing 6.4" tall, which is simply too big for me. So I've decided to look at other options. The reviews of the OnePlus 5 have been excellent and I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on one until news of the Essential phone really started to break recently.
These days I don't really root/mod my phones so that isn't much of a concern. And after experiencing the bezel-less life of the S8, it would be tough for me to go back to something with 2015/2016 size bezels. This is why the Essential phone really has my attention, at the moment. Plus the design of the Essential phone is very original and I love just about everything about it. However, I will admit that at least OnePlus makes good use of the large bottom bezel with the capacitive keys and finger print scanner. Not to mention that it costs over $150 less than the Essential Phone.
Personally, I'm having a really tough time deciding between the two. At least I've ruled out all other options, at this point.

sn0warmy said:
I'm on the fence between the OnePlus 5 and the Essential phone, myself.
After owning a long line of Nexus devices, a OnePlus 3, then a Google Pixel XL, I made the switch to the Galaxy S8. Overall, the S8 has actually been great. But it does come with its annoyances, namely Samsung CONSTANTLY trying to push their proprietary apps through random weekly notifications and the Bixby interface. I've disabled a lot of the Samsung bloatware apps but the phone still lags/hangs more often than my OnePlus 3 or Pixel XL ever did, which is just sad. So I'm ready to get back into the more "pure Android" experience.
I was initially planning on holding out until the Pixel 2/Pixel XL 2 were announced but reputable rumors are consistently showing that the regular pixel will just have a 5" screen with huge bezels again and the XL 2 will be a monster of a phone with a 6" screen that matches the size of the S8+ but with even larger bezels. It will be pushing 6.4" tall, which is simply to big for me. So I've decided to look at other options. The reviews of the OnePlus 5 have been excellent and I was extremely close to pulling the trigger on one until news of the Essential phone really started to break recently.
These days I don't really root/mod my phones so that isn't much of a concern. And after experiencing the bezel-less life of the S8, it would be tough for me to go back to something with 2015/2016 size bezels. This is why the Essential phone really has my attention, at the moment. However, I will admit that at least OnePlus makes good use of the large bottom bezel with the capacitive keys and finger print scanner. Not to mention that it costs over $150 less than the Essential Phone.
Personally, I'm having a really tough time deciding between the two. At east I've ruled out all other options, at this point.
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The 8ngig of ram is nice. I have oneplus 5 8 gig ram version. I am looking g at the essential phone BC it looks so great.

GCbard said:
The 8ngig of ram is nice. I have oneplus 5 8 gig ram version. I am looking g at the essential phone BC it looks so great.
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While I'm not usually one to harp solely on specs, the Essential phone coming out with just 4GB of RAM is a head scratcher. Apps and OS features are taking up more and more resources these days and we are hitting a point where 4GB RAM just isn't cutting it anymore. Which is why I'm also surprised that the 2nd generation of Pixel phones are rumored to only have 4GB of RAM, as well.
I should say that the use of an LCD display on the Essential Phone is a bit baffling, also. It's 2017, OLED screens are the new standard. I'd understand if they stuck with LCD to cut costs and make the phone cheaper. But it still starts at $700, so that logic doesn't seem to hold. And to top off the negatives on the Essential Phone, all the current video reviews are very "meh" about the camera performance. All of this has me realizing that I'd only be getting the Essential Phone for the bezel-less design. Hm....

sn0warmy said:
While I'm not usually one to harp solely on specs, the Essential phone coming out with just 4GB of RAM is a head scratcher. Apps and OS features are taking up more and more resources these days and we are hitting a point where 4GB RAM just isn't cutting it anymore. Which is why I'm also surprised that the 2nd generation of Pixel phones are rumored to only have 4GB of RAM, as well.
I should say that the use of an LCD display on the Essential Phone is a bit baffling, also. It's 2017, OLED screens are the new standard. I'd understand if they stuck with LCD to cut costs and make the phone cheaper. But it still starts at $700, so that logic doesn't seem to hold. And to top off the negatives on the Essential Phone, all the current video reviews are very "meh" about the camera performance. All of this has me realizing that I'd only be getting the Essential Phone for the bezel-less design. Hm....
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I would honestly wait until the Essential is released for general public. Those "reviews" are more like previews at the moment. So, if you're not in a hurry, wait a lil bit longer.
I heard the new Nokia 8 also runs stock android and it starts at 600€ so it may also be an option.
I am honestly satisfied with the OnePlus 5. But this is very subjective since I'm coming from a Galaxy S4 and the OnePlus 5 is a huge update.

Difference is $460 phone vs $700 phone. End of discussion.

Too many gimmicks on that device. Its a 300 dollar phone at a 900 dollar price tag. I dont see the point in accepting this newcomer. Gotta figure Rubin "left" for a reason. I doubt this thing will catch on. If Huawei cant in the us i doubt this thing can worldwide

If Essential provide sources and keep it quick it could be the phone to go for regardless of the price, After owning a OP3 for a year the software and sources have been hit and miss.. closest we'll get to a Nexus atm but Essential could be the new nexus since they provide the same support as Google on the software side, OP however it could be abandoned any time.. Let's hope Essential hit it right

Pixel XL 128G (2016 version) Vs OnePlus 5

I got rid of my Google Pixel XL and replaced it with the OnePlus 5. In case anyone is considering doing the same I wanted to post my personal impressions/comparisons of the two phones. I'm not going to recommend one phone over the other because different people have different needs and expectations.
Display:
Both phones have the same size displays but the Pixel XL screen is higher resolution--1440 x 2560 pixels (~534 ppi pixel density) for the Pixel XL compared to 1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density) for the OnePlus 5. While the OnePlus 5 display looks fine to me there's still no getting around the fact that OnePlus used a less powerful screen to keep the price of their phone down. Winner: Pixel XL
Speed and Responsiveness: On paper, the OnePlus 5 wins this hands down since it has a more powerful processor and twice as much ram. However, the Pixel XL was optimized for stock Android in a way that no other phone has been able to match so far. If you are running pure stock on each phone the Pixel XL feels smoother and more responsive than the OnePlus 5 but not by much. Also, if you are running stock on the OnePlus 5 and install OTA's automatically people have complained about problems like battery drain or hits to the phone's responsiveness that can usually be fixed by wiping the system cache. On stock, the Pixel XL stays fast, smooth and responsive even after months and months of OTA updates. Winner: Pixel XL
Camera: This is another area where the OnePlus 5 wins big on paper. The OnePlus 5 has much more powerful and fancier camera hardware than the Pixel XL but the Pixel XL has a far superior camera app to such an extent that a lot of OnePlus 5 owners actually use a ported Pixel camera app rather than the stock one. The OnePlus 5 can take very good pictures under the right conditions--but there has to be a lot of available light and you need to be able to hold the phone steady. Shots with the OnePlus 5 can blur easily and using the stock camera app the OnePlus 5 has almost no ability to take low light pictures.--although the quality of low light pictures improves immensely if you use the Pixel camera app instead of the official one. If photography is an important element in your use of a smartphone then the fact that you get free original quality photo storage with the Pixel also has to be a plus. Winner: Pixel XL
Development: If you were a Nexus owner it's likely that you will be much happier with a OnePlus 5 than the Pixel XL. The OnePlus 5 is extremely easy to flash on and root. Official Oxygen OTA's automatically come in zip form that can be flashed within TWRP. Official Magisk and its modules work on the OnePlus 5. Even though it has only been out for a couple months the development community for the OnePlus 5 blows away the one for the Pixel XL. There are simply more custom ROMs, kernels, and mods for the OnePlus 5 than there are for the Pixel XL. If you flash a custom kernel there are also a lot more options to customized performance and features than there are on Pixel XL custom kernels. Winner: OnePlus 5
External Build Quality: When it came out the Pixel XL felt like a $600 phone with an inflated $1000 price tag. The external build quality didn't even come close to approaching what you would find on high-end phones from Apple, Samsung or Sony and anyone who says otherwise either never owned a high-end phone before or is deluding themselves. Even at the current Google Store price of $749, the Pixel XL feels overpriced. A OnePlus 5 with 128G of storage and 8G of ram sells for $539 at the OnePlus Store and feels like a more solid and premium built device. Winner: OnePlus 5
Internal Build Quality: The Pixel has build problems but you won't read anything about that on XDA, Android Authority, Android Central, Android Police or Cnet. How do I know the Pixel XL has build problems? If you do a search for Google Pixel Support and look through the official support thread well over 80% of the issues reported involve significant hardware problems with the phone. Issues commonly reported include the phone becoming completely unresponsive/dying either without warning or immediately after an update; faulty displays; problems with the microphone, speaker or both; battery and charging issues; overheating and general phone instability (random reboots, freezing or crashing). These are all hardware issues because customers do a factory reset which doesn't resolve the issue and then are told to RMA their phone. The problem of Pixel phones dying without warning was treated as a known issue on the Google support site from the end of November 2016 through the beginning of August 2017 then the thread dedicated to the issue was taken down and support suddenly pretended it wasn't a known issue even though multiple Pixel owners report it happening to them daily.
While this could certainly change since the phone has only been out for a couple months on the official OnePlus 5 Support thread less than 5% of the issues reported involve hardware problems. The closest thing to a commonly reported hardware problem would be faulty displays but I've only seen a handful of people report that. I'm not counting the controversial "jelly effect" which seems to drive a small number of people crazy while others like myself don't notice it at all. Even if you throw in the jelly effect as a hardware problem more than 90% of the issues reported on the OnePlus 5 support site are still software related. Winner: OnePlus 5
EAS (Energy Aware Scheduling): This is supposed to improve battery life by making the CPU act in a smarter and more efficient manner. The Pixel XL has it and the OnePlus 5 does not. If you buy the hype surrounding EAS or are one of those people who must have the latest and greatest innovations then you probably want EAS. The OnePlus 5 without EAS has a smaller battery than the Pixel XL with EAS but I get better battery life with the OnePlus 5 running the exact same apps. Actually, that's not entirely true--I always turned the location settings to battery saving on the Pixel XL unless I was using the GPS but leave location settings on high accuracy on the OnePlus 5--and I get better battery life on the OnePlus 5. Also, the OnePlus 5 without EAS has a more powerful processor than the Pixel XL with EAS but the OnePlus 5 easily runs 20F cooler than the Pixel XL. Winner: ? (This one really depends on your personal priorities).
Some final observations:
--Dash charging on the OnePlus 5 is faster than the Fast Charging on the Pixel XL.
--The thicker Pixel XL is more comfortable to hold than the slimmer OnePlus 5.
--The Pixel XL fingerprint scanner is probably more secure than the OnePlus 5 fingerprint scanner which reads a much smaller sample of the fingerprint.
--The OnePlus 5 won't officially be updated to Android Oreo until the end of the year at the earliest.
--The OnePlus 5 will probably only receive one more official Android version update after Oreo. The Pixel XL is guaranteed at least one more official Android version update after Oreo but Google is far more likely to support their phone beyond that than OnePlus is.
--There are a much better variety of cases available for the Pixel XL than the OnePlus 5. I'm currently stuck using a holster I purchased for the Pixel XL with my OnePlus 5 even though it isn't a perfect fit because the OnePlus phone is slimmer. Other people have reported using a holster made for the Note 4 which provides a similar fit based on the pictures I've seen.
Hopefully, someone will find this post useful.

jhs39 said:
I got rid of my Google Pixel XL and replaced it with the OnePlus 5. In case anyone is considering doing the same I wanted to post my personal impressions/comparisons of the two phones. I'm not going to recommend one phone over the other because different people have different needs and expectations.
Display:
Both phones have the same size displays but the Pixel XL screen is higher resolution--1440 x 2560 pixels (~534 ppi pixel density) for the Pixel XL compared to 1080 x 1920 pixels (~401 ppi pixel density) for the OnePlus 5. While the OnePlus 5 display looks fine to me there's still no getting around the fact that OnePlus used a less powerful screen to keep the price of their phone down. Winner: Pixel XL
Speed and Responsiveness: On paper, the OnePlus 5 wins this hands down since it has a more powerful processor and twice as much ram. However, the Pixel XL was optimized for stock Android in a way that no other phone has been able to match so far. If you are running pure stock on each phone the Pixel XL feels smoother and more responsive than the OnePlus 5 but not by much. Also, if you are running stock on the OnePlus 5 and install OTA's automatically people have complained about problems like battery drain or hits to the phone's responsiveness that can usually be fixed by wiping the system cache. On stock, the Pixel XL stays fast, smooth and responsive even after months and months of OTA updates. Winner: Pixel XL
Camera: This is another area where the OnePlus 5 wins big on paper. The OnePlus 5 has much more powerful and fancier camera hardware than the Pixel XL but the Pixel XL has a far superior camera app to such an extent that a lot of OnePlus 5 owners actually use a ported Pixel camera app rather than the stock one. The OnePlus 5 can take very good pictures under the right conditions--but there has to be a lot of available light and you need to be able to hold the phone steady. Shots with the OnePlus 5 can blur easily and using the stock camera app the OnePlus 5 has almost no ability to take low light pictures.--although the quality of low light pictures improves immensely if you use the Pixel camera app instead of the official one. If photography is an important element in your use of a smartphone then the fact that you get free original quality photo storage with the Pixel also has to be a plus. Winner: Pixel XL
Development: If you were a Nexus owner it's likely that you will be much happier with a OnePlus 5 than the Pixel XL. The OnePlus 5 is extremely easy to flash on and root. Official Oxygen OTA's automatically come in zip form that can be flashed within TWRP. Official Magisk and its modules work on the OnePlus 5. Even though it has only been out for a couple months the development community for the OnePlus 5 blows away the one for the Pixel XL. There are simply more custom ROMs, kernels, and mods for the OnePlus 5 than there are for the Pixel XL. If you flash a custom kernel there are also a lot more options to customized performance and features than there are on Pixel XL custom kernels. Winner: OnePlus 5
External Build Quality: When it came out the Pixel XL felt like a $600 phone with an inflated $1000 price tag. The external build quality didn't even come close to approaching what you would find on high-end phones from Apple, Samsung or Sony and anyone who says otherwise either never owned a high-end phone before or is deluding themselves. Even at the current Google Store price of $749, the Pixel XL feels overpriced. A OnePlus 5 with 128G of storage and 8G of ram sells for $539 at the OnePlus Store and feels like a more solid and premium built device. Winner: OnePlus 5
Internal Build Quality: The Pixel has build problems but you won't read anything about that on XDA, Android Authority, Android Central, Android Police or Cnet. How do I know the Pixel XL has build problems? If you do a search for Google Pixel Support and look through the official support thread well over 80% of the issues reported involve significant hardware problems with the phone. Issues commonly reported include the phone becoming completely unresponsive/dying either without warning or immediately after an update; faulty displays; problems with the microphone, speaker or both; battery and charging issues; overheating and general phone instability (random reboots, freezing or crashing). These are all hardware issues because customers do a factory reset which doesn't resolve the issue and then are told to RMA their phone. The problem of Pixel phones dying without warning was treated as a known issue on the Google support site from the end of November 2016 through the beginning of August 2017 then the thread dedicated to the issue was taken down and support suddenly pretended it wasn't a known issue even though multiple Pixel owners report it happening to them daily.
While this could certainly change since the phone has only been out for a couple months on the official OnePlus 5 Support thread less than 5% of the issues reported involve hardware problems. The closest thing to a commonly reported hardware problem would be faulty displays but I've only seen a handful of people report that. I'm not counting the controversial "jelly effect" which seems to drive a small number of people crazy while others like myself don't notice it at all. Even if you throw in the jelly effect as a hardware problem more than 90% of the issues reported on the OnePlus 5 support site are still software related. Winner: OnePlus 5
EAS (Energy Aware Scheduling): This is supposed to improve battery life by making the CPU act in a smarter and more efficient manner. The Pixel XL has it and the OnePlus 5 does not. If you buy the hype surrounding EAS or are one of those people who must have the latest and greatest innovations then you probably want EAS. The OnePlus 5 without EAS has a smaller battery than the Pixel XL with EAS but I get better battery life with the OnePlus 5 running the exact same apps. Actually, that's not entirely true--I always turned the location settings to battery saving on the Pixel XL unless I was using the GPS but leave location settings on high accuracy on the OnePlus 5--and I get better battery life on the OnePlus 5. Also, the OnePlus 5 without EAS has a more powerful processor than the Pixel XL with EAS but the OnePlus 5 easily runs 20F cooler than the Pixel XL. Winner: ? (This one really depends on your personal priorities).
Some final observations:
--Dash charging on the OnePlus 5 is faster than the Fast Charging on the Pixel XL.
--The thicker Pixel XL is more comfortable to hold than the slimmer OnePlus 5.
--The Pixel XL fingerprint scanner is probably more secure than the OnePlus 5 fingerprint scanner which reads a much smaller sample of the fingerprint.
--The OnePlus 5 won't officially be updated to Android Oreo until the end of the year at the earliest.
--The OnePlus 5 will probably only receive one more official Android version update after Oreo. The Pixel XL is guaranteed at least one more official Android version update after Oreo but Google is far more likely to support their phone beyond that than OnePlus is.
--There are a much better variety of cases available for the Pixel XL than the OnePlus 5. I'm currently stuck using a holster I purchased for the Pixel XL with my OnePlus 5 even though it isn't a perfect fit because the OnePlus phone is slimmer. Other people have reported using a holster made for the Note 4 which provides a similar fit based on the pictures I've seen.
Hopefully, someone will find this post useful.
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Thanx this was very helpful from someone with personal hands on. I was thinking about the upgrade (or downgrade) but just the screen and software ui fluidity win me over to keep my pixel

I sold my 8gb/128gb OnePlus 5 and kept my Pixel XL
Camera is way better with the Pixel.
Things I love about the OnePlus 5 is it lasts longer compared to my Marlin, Charger faster of course, has more custom development with it and it's really thin.
While with the PixelXL. It's more comfortable with the hands, better design (in my opinion), and of course had faster updates. Oh and the pixel gets warmer than the OP5.
The reason I sold my OP5 is everyone I know thinks it's an iPhone 7Plus. Lol and low light camera really sucks with the OnePlus 5.

Abaddon said:
I sold my 8gb/128gb OnePlus 5 and kept my Pixel XL
Camera is way better with the Pixel.
Things I love about the OnePlus 5 is it lasts longer compared to my Marlin, Charger faster of course, has more custom development with it and it's really thin.
While with the PixelXL. It's more comfortable with the hands, better design (in my opinion), and of course had faster updates. Oh and the pixel gets warmer than the OP5.
The reason I sold my OP5 is everyone I know thinks it's an iPhone 7Plus. Lol and low light camera really sucks with the OnePlus 5.
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I've read that it does look a lot like the iPhone 7 but if you used a case wouldn't that cover up some of the design similarities? As for the camera there's nothing wrong with the camera hardware on the OnePlus 5--its 100% a software issue. The phone takes much better low light pictures with the modded Pixel Camera apk. But that isn't really a perfect solution either because there is no version that is completely bug free and the Pixel app doesn't take advantage of the dual camera setup on the OnePlus 5. The Pixel is definitely a much better choice if photography is your thing. Currently the best choice for OnePlus 5 owners is to use the stock app in bright light and the Pixel app in low light.

I should probably also add that Oxygen is a bit more buggy than the stock Roms you normally find on Android phones. In some ways the quality is more like a good custom Rom than a rock solid stock one.
Reportedly when the OnePlus 5 was first launched Oxygen had a lot of major bugs that were slowly eliminated through software updates. OnePlus 3 owners said that when their phones were updated to Nougat on December 31st last year the exact same thing happened --lots of bugs initially that were eliminated in successive software updates.
OnePlus seems to put more focus on hardware design than software stability and performance --which is pretty much the exact opposite of Google. That's something else that should be taken into account when choosing between the phones.

As an owner of OnePlus 3 I am never gonna buy all these new popping up Chinese stuffs. They are just never a complete product. The phone has an awful vibration motor, the call quality is **** and stuffs like that are never mentioned in any review but affect your daily usage.
There is no comparison here with a Pixel, OR if comparisons have to be made then other phones in much lower price segment like a Motorola G5 Plus or sorts should be involved too.
In the end, meaningless topic that's all I wanted to say.

ithehappy said:
As an owner of OnePlus 3 I am never gonna buy all these new popping up Chinese stuffs. They are just never a complete product. The phone has an awful vibration motor, the call quality is **** and stuffs like that are never mentioned in any review but affect your daily usage.
There is no comparison here with a Pixel, OR if comparisons have to be made then other phones in much lower price segment like a Motorola G5 Plus or sorts should be involved too.
In the end, meaningless topic that's all I wanted to say.
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I used to own a oneplus 3 and yes the vibrating motor is freaking bad compare to the pixel. But the pixel vibrating motor is freaking bad compare to a galaxy s8. Hopefully this will be fix with the XL2 which i read the the LG v30 has one of the best vibrating motor around. lG v30 is most likely a XL2 internally.

ithehappy said:
As an owner of OnePlus 3 I am never gonna buy all these new popping up Chinese stuffs. They are just never a complete product. The phone has an awful vibration motor, the call quality is **** and stuffs like that are never mentioned in any review but affect your daily usage.
There is no comparison here with a Pixel, OR if comparisons have to be made then other phones in much lower price segment like a Motorola G5 Plus or sorts should be involved too.
In the end, meaningless topic that's all I wanted to say.
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I really can't agree with you. I got both better call quality and better reception on my Nexus 6P than on my significantly more expensive Pixel XL. I'm also noticing no drop off in call quality whatsoever on the OnePlus 5. The OnePlus 5 has a newer, more powerful processor and more Ram than the Pixel XL. The only possible basis you could use to say the OnePlus 5 shouldn't be compared with the Pixel XL is price. Having owned both phones I prefer the OnePlus 5. I certainly liked the performance of the Pixel XL but I think the phone runs way too hot. The Pixel XL is the only phone I have ever owned that overheated and shut down without warning on hot days if I was using Maps, Spotify and the Google Store car charger at the same time. And according to Google even though it did that my Pixel XL was not defective. Google considers that normal behavior for the phone.
And before you try to put Google Phones in the same quality category as Apple or Samsung you might want to consider the fact that Google's previous two flagship phones (Nexus 5X & Nexus 6P) had such serious build problems that owners were lucky to get two years of use out of them.

Nexus 5X was made by LG, who are infamous for hardware problems, and no comments on 6P because it was mady by Huwaei. Pixel is HTC made, I have not yet seen any HTC made phone going into any well known hardware problem, time will tell, Pixel is almost a year old now anyway, so yeah.
8 GB RAM, this or that SoC, those don't matter for day to day experience, otherwise people would only buy them new Chinese stuffs like OP or Ximir or whatever.
Like I said, Pixel or any phone from a reputed brand is not even remotely comparable with these new OEMs like OP who claim value for money and whatnot. Unfinished product remains unfinished. Perfect lies in small details.
But one thing is true, Pixel is still no iPhone, can conclude that, I mean on the entire basis of hardware finish that is, but still as an owner of almost all the Galaxy Notes and S phones of past, I am so done with Samsung, they are not worth anything on the basis of software alone. I don't know how there could be more important things on a mobile phone that stable, fast, smooth software experience and a rock solid camera, Pixel has them, and then a lot more.
500 bucks is half of what I paid for Pixel, but its still no small money, LoL. If I were to pay that much then why would I accept a phone which has below average camera, questionable software, almost non existent or painful after sales and stuffs like that! I would pay even less any get something like a Moto G5S or whatever!

I have a serious issue with what basis you are using to claim that Google is a reputable phone brand. Based on what exactly --wishful thinking?
Let's examine recent Google Phone history, shall we? The Nexus 5X had a serious build issue that caused the phone to eventually go into a permanent boot loop. Google never recalled the phone, made any attempt to fix the phone and did nothing for owners of their defective product after the warranty expired.
Their next flagship phone was the Nexus 6P which was made by a different company than the 5X. The 6P also had a serious build problem that caused the phone to permanently boot loop but this time Google was aware of the issue just a month after the phone came out because it was happening to a lot of phones. Google again didn't recall the phone, make any attempt to fix the phone and didn't do anything for people who bought the defective device after the warranty expired. The Nexus 6P was so seriously defective that for many owners the $600 phone only worked for a little over a year before becoming a paperweight.
Google is such a wonderful, reputable company that they continued to sell both of those defective phones to unsuspecting customers on the Project Fi website as recently as 3 months ago.
If you need to RMA a phone with Google while it is under warranty they will not fix your phone or send you a new phone as a replacement. They will only send you a refurbished phone. With the Nexus 6P and currently with the Pixel there are persistent complaints that people receive refurbished phones from Google that are defective. And when they return that phone they receive another defective refurbished phone from Google. And when they return that phone they receive yet another defective device. It's not uncommon for people to complain that they are on their third, fourth or fifth device after doing their initial RMA with Google. And while Google sends you defective device after defective device the warranty clock continues to tick--Google doesn't extend the original warranty while all this is happening.
You can go to the Google Pixel Support site yourself and see how many people report hardware problems with their phones every day. Once the Pixel actually passes its second birthday if most of them are still working that will actually be an accomplishment compared with the last two Nexus flagships but I wouldn't count on that happening. I think Google is trying to burn out the Pixel so their customers will be forced to buy a new phone every couple years. There's no other reason for the Pixel
to run as hot as it does. High temperatures and electronics have never been a good combination and Google obviously knows that since heat triggered the problems with both Nexus devices. And both of those Nexus phones ran significantly cooler than the Pixel.
My guess is that my OnePlus 5 will still be working long after your Pixel is a paperweight. Only time will tell which of us is actually right but I have history on my side.

PIxel VS ONeplus5T
Thank you . I have read all these comments and your opinion. I want to buy oneplus5T but the price is an important issue for me. My question is that if I can get pixel 32 Gb in cheap price (now they are cheaper ) will it be better to buy pixel or wait for oneplus 5T to become cheaper and buy that. ? Thanks

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Thank you . I have read all these comments and your opinion. I want to buy oneplus5T but the price is an important issue for me. My question is that if I can get pixel 32 Gb in cheap price (now they are cheaper ) will it be better to buy pixel or wait for oneplus 5T to become cheaper and buy that. ? Thanks
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Depends if you value development? 5T will have a ton of support since sources are unified with OP5. I had a OnePlus 3 vs the Pixel XL for me Pixel XL did camera better and display that's it (£309 OP3) VS (£719 Pixel XL)
Really hard to compare phones at face value really need to try both and see which is better than you for the lowest price

Thank you, I also heard a lot that camera of pixel is better while screen is also better while other features are better in oneplus. There is a friend who was selling his 32 Gb Pixel XL around 200 US dollars, therefore, I was thinking about it.

shyshoki said:
Thank you, I also heard a lot that camera of pixel is better while screen is also better while other features are better in oneplus. There is a friend who was selling his 32 Gb Pixel XL around 200 US dollars, therefore, I was thinking about it.
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Pixel XL at $200 is a steal also remember Pixel XL is 1 year into it's life cycle and you're missing out on the better CPU faster RAM and UFS storage from the OnePlus 5

liam_davenport said:
Pixel XL at $200 is a steal also remember Pixel XL is 1 year into it's life cycle and you're missing out on the better CPU faster RAM and UFS storage from the OnePlus 5
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Thanks dear. I'll consider your points. Mobile world is a world of temptations

I was able to grab a new Pixel XL for $450 even though I'm using the OnePlus 5 now. I'm going to goof with both phones over the next week or so and decide which one to keep. At $800-1000 the Pixel (1 or version 2) is a rip-off IMHO. For half that price - that's another story. What do you think at that price point?

You forgot one thing... Op5 doesn't work on cdma. Pixel is more flexible because it's made by a US company

New pixel3 xl leaked is it worth to upgrade

Handson and unboxing leaked:
https://youtu.be/qnEFPgvFdOE
Pixel 3 xl aka panda final design revealed :
The biggest surprise, however, is the inclusion of bundled earphones. Judging by the video , these are USB-C buds (no, the headphone jack isn’t coming back) that closely resemble Google’s premium wireless*Pixel Buds. Here’s hoping they deliver on audio quality and aren’t just a cheap pair of disposable earphones that get immediately resigned to the bin. Its running android 9.0 pie out of box.
the phone will be powered by an octa-core Qualcomm processor (4 x 1.77GHz and 4 x 2.8GHz), which is almost certainly the*Snapdragon 845 SoC, backed by 4GB of RAM and an Adreno 630 GPU. The display is also listed as having a 1,440 x 2,960 resolution with a 494 ppi rating.
Worst part:
1)comes with ugly notch
2)only gesture control is available no softkey or anything
3)same back with with single camera and fingerprint sensor as previous pixel devices no innovativeness
4)big chin at bottom
5)only 4 gb RAM still in 2018
6)no headphone jack( carry that usb C connector too in pocket)
7)big like panda ?? can't handle
8)costly (but price not revealed)

Ugly notch. Keeping my 2 xl

pankspoo said:
Handson and unboxing leaked:
Pixel 3 xl aka panda final design revealed :
The biggest surprise, however, is the inclusion of bundled earphones. Judging by the video , these are USB-C buds (no, the headphone jack isn’t coming back) that closely resemble Google’s premium wireless*Pixel Buds. Here’s hoping they deliver on audio quality and aren’t just a cheap pair of disposable earphones that get immediately resigned to the bin. Its running android 9.0 pie out of box.
the phone will be powered by an octa-core Qualcomm processor (4 x 1.77GHz and 4 x 2.8GHz), which is almost certainly the*Snapdragon 845 SoC, backed by 4GB of RAM and an Adreno 630 GPU. The display is also listed as having a 1,440 x 2,960 resolution with a 494 ppi rating.
Worst part:
1)comes with ugly notch
2)only gesture control is available no softkey or anything
3)same back with with single camera and fingerprint sensor as previous pixel devices no innovativeness
4)big chin at bottom
5)only 4 gb RAM still in 2018
6)no headphone jack( carry that usb C connector too in pocket)
7)big like panda ?? can't handle
8)costly (but price not revealed)
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Google has been going down hill lately. Only gestures...wtf. Volume buttons linked to media volume only...swipe down twice to get to settings icon... Come on now. P is a huge step back.

sruel3216 said:
Google has been going down hill lately. Only gestures...wtf. Volume buttons linked to media volume only...swipe down twice to get to settings icon... Come on now. P is a huge step back.
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I can't understand what Google want to do by creating these phones?

NO! No notch!

Helll nooooo!!

santanac said:
Helll nooooo!!
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This Pixel 2 xl maybe my last Google phone, with the un inspired Pixel 3, I will be waiting for Samsung galaxy s10 as my next replacement phone.

I'm honestly 50/50 in the Pixel 3 XL. I don't really mind the notch, the software is amazing, stock Android. I'm super happy with my 2 XL. However, what puts me off is the 4GB RAM. I believe with the Snapdragon 845, having 4BG RAM won't let it use it's full potential (please correct me if I'm wrong) There's also the fact that 5G is around the corner and with the chip finally made for smartphones to utilize 5G, do I want to Shell out $1k+ right now? I switched to TMobile and I can't utilize their 600Mhz range since the 2XL does not have band 71, which is another thing to consider. I've considered buying a Samsung, but with their bloat infested software and terrible customer service, let alone the slow updates, I don't think I want to. But, I digress. Either way, it's a lot for me to take into consideration. For all I know, I only want it because it's the latest and greatest ?*

This must be a joke.
Enviado desde mi Pixel 2 mediante Tapatalk

Fugly..fugly..fugly! No danka! ???

I was about to say Pixel 3 XL was worth buying if you had a OG Pixel XL or any other non-Google phone. But after reading my own comment, I changed my mind.
Don't get me wrong, I love my P2XL. But I don't think P3XL will be a good value. P3XL specs are marginally better than P2XL. When P3XL is released, P2XL prices will drop. Will P3XL be worth the extra money? Only if you must have the latest and greatest. Otherwise, save some money and get P2XL instead.

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I was about to say Pixel 3 XL was worth buying if you had a OG Pixel XL or any other non-Google phone. But after reading my own comment, I changed my mind.
Don't get me wrong, I love my P2XL. But I don't think P3XL will be a good value. P3XL specs are marginally better than P2XL. When P3XL is released, P2XL prices will drop. Will P3XL be worth the extra money? Only if you must have the latest and greatest. Otherwise, save some money and get P2XL instead.
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Even one plus 6 is far better than this pixel 3 xl

You should add a poll to this post
As for me I just bought my 2 XL (coming from an OG pixel xl) a week ago knowing that the 3XL is just around the corner, but I didn't feel it would be significant upgrade and wouldn't justify the expected ridiculous price Google will be asking for it
I just hope they don't keep a couple of SW features exclusive to the Pixel 3 like they did when they launched the pixel 2 to those poor soles who had the OG Pixel

Won't win any Apple beauty contests, but I'll try it out. Then compare side by side to my 2XL and make a hands on decision to keep or sell....

Fugly! No!

If I'm paying a grand for a phone it better have more than 4gb of RAM

Google does not learn their lesson. Spends over a billion dollars to acquire new engineers for the phone, and none of them can think of the simplest way to do wireless charging without a glass or plastic back. And they don't get a good designer for the phone? C'mon!!!
Anyway, all the reasons you listed are fine with me... but one is what makes me, and many other people, just drop any chances of getting this phone. That is definitely the most stupid decision, which guarantees the worst investment by any company ever! Getting stupid engineers for over a billion dollars that actually don't know CRAP!
- A notch is fine, just not that shape and so deep into the screen. Look at LGQ and OP6. Beautiful notches, if you gotta have a notch. But okay, I can take that.
- It's okay to have a chin... for stereo speakers... but THAT BIG!!!??? Wish it was smaller... but that is still okay with me.
- Why a glass back!?!?!? Just charge the freaking phone through the front screen. I am not using the phone when charging wirelessly anyway. Now pixel will also become a fragile phone Still, I can take that too...
- Soft keys? Stupid engineers or whoever takes care of the software... There's still that pill. WHY???? GET RID OF IT GOOGLE!!! Give me screen space!!! Or let the pill be on top of the content when you touch the screen. What a wast of over one full row! But okay... I can live with it.
- Single camera.... fine with me... as long as it is as good or better than the current pixel 2 camera... and who knows... maybe it will come with optical zoom! (I wish!)
- I actually like the fingerprint spot, would never change it. My phone already does great with the fingerprint and face detection. Kudos for keeping that Google!
- Love the size of the phone. Perfect for my hands. If this is too big for you, you can always have the smaller version.
- Cost... all good phones are expensive... but as long as it is good like the Pixel, I am fine paying for it.
- Now, this is what I cannot accept... I have been a fan of nexus phones, since nexus 5, and have purchased every single phone, every year. Now... 4GB MEMORY!?!? If that does not change when the phone is out, I'm out. I can take all these new **** from google, but 4GB memory? No... I'm going to another brand or OS this time. Maybe OP6 or whatever. That decision is simply stupid.
pankspoo said:
Worst part:
1)comes with ugly notch
2)only gesture control is available no softkey or anything
3)same back with with single camera and fingerprint sensor as previous pixel devices no innovativeness
4)big chin at bottom
5)only 4 gb RAM still in 2018
6)no headphone jack( carry that usb C connector too in pocket)
7)big like panda can't handle
8)costly (but price not revealed)
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Sab3elbromba said:
You should add a poll to this post
As for me I just bought my 2 XL (coming from an OG pixel xl) a week ago knowing that the 3XL is just around the corner, but I didn't feel it would be significant upgrade and wouldn't justify the expected ridiculous price Google will be asking for it
I just hope they don't keep a couple of SW features exclusive to the Pixel 3 like they did when they launched the pixel 2 to those poor soles who had the OG Pixel
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Added POLL specifically for design

i just wonder will they price this even more than pixel 2 xl.

If they will have a Pink Pixel 3 XL then I am upgrading. Need to get a pink phone for my fiance so we have a matching phone set. Current she has a Sony XA2 in Pink.
During some of the media's "leak" coverage I have seen some so call Pixel 3 XL images with a white and pink two tone.... so hopefully that is the case.

Overall love

Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Google Pixel 3 XL, all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Google Pixel 3 XL is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Well it is a Google Pixel so of course there is gonna be some love ?
Sent from my HUAWEI STF-L09 using XDA Labs

I've owned the Nexus 4 and the Nexus 6P, both of which were great devices. What's so special about the 3XL? There's nothing in it that isn't found in phones that are way cheaper. For those of you shouting about vanilla android, there is no vanilla android any more. Even Google now includes features that aren't found in any other version of android. But the thing that annoys me the most about pixel phones is Google's price policy. Why oh why are these phones 30% more expensive in Europe?

i just watched unbox therapy's video of the pixel 3 xl. to be honest i like it. yes the notch is bigger than others but it doesnt seem to bother me. maybe i'm too used to it from my iphone x. i wish the area on the sides of the notch would hold more information, but that is where xda comes in. i'm sure some developers can put more info there with their roms. the camera looks amazing. the screen quality finally looks up to par with samsung even though it's still an LG screen. you can tell they have matured their oled screens fast. the build quality looks really good. that soft gorilla glass on the back that doesnt attract finger prints looks like a nice touch. i'm going to objectively give this device a try instead of blindly following the masses of haters. but based of the videos i've watched already i think this device will end up being a great one.

Why do people keep asking why we pay more for phones in Europe? In Europe we pay VAT which adds about 20% to the cost of just about everything. It may not account for all the price difference but it accounts for the majority of it.

Overall Phones are good with price range. Nothing to hate about it. Phone has lot more than other phones with that price range. I had good experience with Pixel 2 XL. Phones are worthy to buy.
People hate about notch trend but I say its only way to cover screen on front. About some trends you will used to it. its not making problem in functionality.
I have Pixel 2 XL why I should by Pixel 3 XL ?
Plus about this phones is Snapdragon 845 , Titan M security module and Wireless Charging in Hardware. + ( Notch some people not like it )
about notch google will provide option to disable notch like one plus 6.
Pixel Cameras are always awesome then others with that price.
I believe Pixel users are 95% genuine users who uses almost every feature that company provide.
Not like iPhone users wasting lots of parent's money to show off just a logo.
Apple call their eco system it is like handcuffs to buy their won stuff and 30% features not work if you don't have other apple products.
[ Pixels = You will get maximum benefit of Artificial Intelligence. This is what I mean. ]

Got my 3 XL yesterday. I'm coming from a 2 XL so I expected a slight upgrade, but I'm finding a lot of things I love that I didn't expect.
- Tap to wake is WAY faster than on the 2. Having both side by side, the 3 wakes up a full second before the 2.
- The screen on the 3 looks sooo good. Crisper even. I never had any complaints about my 2 XL's screen, but I can tell the 3 XL is definitely better
- Speakers are noticeably better. Not sure about how loud they get, but the sound is richer on the 3 than the 2. The 2 is tinnier.
- Wide Angle Selfie camera is pretty cool
- Low light photos are noticeably better. This I didn't expect to notice as much, but a side by side comparison of the same photo with the two phones shows a noticeable improvement. The 2's photo looks duller than the 3. They might look the same after some post processing, but the 3's photo looks great without any touchups.
- Not phone related, but the Google Fabric case covers more of the bottom of the phone than the 2's did.
The only thing I have NOT liked is that with the notch, the number of notification icons in the status bar has been reduced to three, meaning 2 and a dot if you have more. If I reduce the display size to the lowest one, I can get three and a dot. The 2 XL has 4 and a dot. Hopefully we can figure out a way to turn off the clock. I never use it and I'd gladly give it up in exchange for more icons.

After I got the phone I realize it is so much better than expected. And the software polish and hard ware polish is next level

Very nice but some complaints
Just got my Pixel 3 XL last night and was impressed with the look and feel. I'm coming from the original Pixel XL. No notch complaints here. I was happy with everything until I got in my car. I have a Jeep JL with Android Auto. I was expecting the two to come together as expected but nothing happened. Spent time changing usb cables. I see power on the Pixel but no love from Android Auto. I'm hoping I just need to go to the dealership for a firmware upgrade or something but its disappointing that it just didn't work.
The only other thing I don't like is the double swipe up to get to the app drawer. Not sure how I feel about it.
With that said my complaints are minor. SOOOO many cool features that like.

mikeofny said:
Just got my Pixel 3 XL last night and was impressed with the look and feel. I'm coming from the original Pixel XL. No notch complaints here. I was happy with everything until I got in my car. I have a Jeep JL with Android Auto. I was expecting the two to come together as expected but nothing happened. Spent time changing usb cables. I see power on the Pixel but no love from Android Auto. I'm hoping I just need to go to the dealership for a firmware upgrade or something but its disappointing that it just didn't work.
The only other thing I don't like is the double swipe up to get to the app drawer. Not sure how I feel about it.
With that said my complaints are minor. SOOOO many cool features that like.
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My 2017 CRV also had trouble the first time I tried to use Android Auto. No map showed up, it gave me an ETA and the first turn arrow, but the only thing that updated was the ETA which was WAY off. When I got to my destination, I restarted the phone and the car, and on my way home, it worked as it normally does.

Happy out here. Got my 3xl 128gb on Verizon pre paid yesterday. Using on SIM in Ireland. Love pretty much everything about the phone. Kinda wish it had face unlocking but otherwise very happy. Everything just works and no bloat.

OK, so this may be biased, but I'm 100% in love with this phone. This is my first pixel phone, and I'm coming from a mid/budget phone, so that may make all the difference, but from the looks, the feels, the screen, the new gestures, the smoothness, the speakers, the call quality, the battery life, to whatever else this phone is, and can do, I love it. I've never had such a great experience from day one on any other phone, and I've been on Android since I got a Nexus One on day one. To me this phone is perfect. There is not one thing I can think of to complain about (OK I do have one. Have the phone either a bit thicker, or find another way to make the camera bump on the back flush).

Coming from a Oneplus 3T here. I am going through an RMA right now for the speaker issue, just to put that out there. With that aside, I love the phone otherwise. My only concern going in was the battery to be honest. The battery was larger than my 3T but still smaller than last year. It is a great phone. A great improvement over my 3T, which was still one of the best phones I've had.

Love the phone. Totally seamless Google experience

Overall impression so far.
Got the phone on Friday, October 19, 2018.
1. Good build quality (better than 2 XL); feels rigid & premium in hand. The frosted glass back is really smooth & good to touch. Better that my ex's skin.
2. Battery life is pretty good too. Same or better than 2 XL. First cycle (WiFi only): from 96%; SOT: 5 hr 10 min in 1 day 10 hrs with 16% to go. It will ofc get better with more cycles & as it learns more. Also, the battery is smaller than that of 2 XL & powers a bigger & better screen & louder speakers.
3. Cameras. Need not say anything.
4. Screen: it is a Samsung panel on the 3 XL, performs like one. Really good. No black clipping for me except maybe on mobile data when speeds are low. That is more like a buffering and pixel issue but no black clipping. Could happen on any phone.
5. I really like the included USB-C Pixel buds; took me 10 minutes to get the right fit & learn to use them (fit them); follow the animations in the first time setup. They are really good. Good bass too.
6. Charging time using charger included in box: from 16% to 100%: around 1 hour 40 minutes. WiFi on. AOD on.
7. Notch: got used to it already & not noticeable anymore. I don't play games on the phone at all.
8. The speakers: a minor issue of imbalanced audio(bottom grill is louder) but no buzzing for me & no muffled sound either. Fixable via software update.
9. RAM management: it is bad rn; fixable by software update as the cause has already looks to be the kernel `lowmemoryKiller` as per some sources when you google.
I see 0 hardware based issues with the phone (apart from notch which is bad design & not an issue for me at least). Other issues will be addressed via an update. I see better performance in the future already. Even the pixel 2 xl got better with updates (at least for me).
Buying the Pixel stand soon.
TL;DR: Love it. Keeping it.

Like the phone...my only issues are with the display brightness and sometimes ram management. My conspiracy is that google dimmed the screen in order to avoid a crappy battery. 100% on this is like 65% on my iphone. Other than that, I love the speakers! Not sure if it's worth the $900

Love it but highly intrigued by the 6T coming next week

I remember when in the Nexus days, everyone said that all vanilla Android needed was a great camera and it'd be perfect. Google listened and produced pixel line with best camera, 3 generations in a row now. Now all anyone can do is nitpick the hardware. I think Google has achieved what most enthusiasts were after.

overall i like it, price should drop $300+ - Pixel 3 XL crosshatch 128 black G013C
What: Google Pixel 3 XL crosshatch 128 black G013C
good/great:
camera
camera software
free storage of pictures and video
nice to have included earbuds
screen is decent and not overwarm like apple's off white warm screen tones. proper whitebalance, maybe slightly blue, but a very good screen.
fast - fast booting, fast behavior
not so good / annoying:
4 gb ram @ $1000 price point?
128 vs 256/512 ssd at $1000 price point?
no sd card slot - give it a rest google.
included earbuds done noise cancel. why in the world would they do that?
i cant see where 300-400 dollars went for a phone that costs $1000 + $129 in preferred care
insultingly overpriced wireless earbuds
insultingly overpriced wireless dock
insultingly overpriced accessories in general by screwgle.
drm on Qi / fake Qi charging - 10 watts in the drm mode isnt even enough let alone be enough in the drm-allowed mode. 5W is just pathetic.
included wired charger isnt as good as previous pixel chargers. should include the big dual port charger from the pixel c
ifixit score is terrible (4 of 10). right to repair legislation is going to be needed - an industry wide problem - sad to see in a $1000 phone
audio jack missing - why do this?
faceunlock - i do have an iphone X from work (they gave it for free) - i do enjoy that feature.
bad:
- notch is just stupid. its stupid on the X, XS and on 3XL. stop the god damned notches. i just shut the notch off in developer options so its just a waste of pixels but its just poor design.
- pie having that idiotic gesture system and its forced (no developer or hidden option to go back). just copy the iphone's gesture system and be done with this moronic one
overall im happy because $1000 for me isnt breaking the bank but there are plenty of people where $1000 is a bit on the high side and this phone just doesnt deliver that value. its a nice phone and im happy with it - best android has to offer and camera is the most important feature - but google is a jerk, sundar pichai is a greedy jerk and a bad CEO. when i think of sundar pichai i think of a jerk who is also a spineless milquetoast. when i think of Steve Jobs i think of a jerk who was obsessed with aesthetics, beauty, ease of use, wanting to be best of breed, form and function, etc. google needs a better CEO. sundar pichai is a greedy jerk who needs to work at this harder than he does or let someone good take his place

mikeofny said:
Just got my Pixel 3 XL last night and was impressed with the look and feel. I'm coming from the original Pixel XL. No notch complaints here. I was happy with everything until I got in my car. I have a Jeep JL with Android Auto. I was expecting the two to come together as expected but nothing happened. Spent time changing usb cables. I see power on the Pixel but no love from Android Auto. I'm hoping I just need to go to the dealership for a firmware upgrade or something but its disappointing that it just didn't work.
The only other thing I don't like is the double swipe up to get to the app drawer. Not sure how I feel about it.
With that said my complaints are minor. SOOOO many cool features that like.
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Hey Im coming from the OG pixel xl as well. I currently have the 6t but don't actually find it much of an upgrade from my pixel. Ive got 15 days to return it so Im looking to buy the 3xl instead. Would you say that the upgrade from the OG xl to the 3xl is worth it?? Thanks!

Three Years Down The Pike - Yes; Pixels are Still Relevant (and why)

Folks (not just here on XDA) but even generally are asking the normally-understandable question - how relevant is the (long in the tooth) original Pixel that is three years old?
As someone that owns a Pixel 3a himself, and saw his mom purchase a refurbished original Pixel, I am in a position to actually answer that.
1. Unlike three-year-old devices from anybody else (except Apple), you can still get current firmware for them. (Heck, that's gotten to be untrue of even three-year-old Apple iPhones - how many iPhones got booted to the curb with the current version of iPhoneOS?) Mom's Pixel has Pie installed (and could have gone to Q - following my own 3a) - the difference is strictly personal preference.
2. The price is still sane. (Mom's refurbed Pixel was $109USD - on Amazon - and from a quality refurbisher - BuySpry of Gaithersburg, MD.)
3. Given the two points above, you can take them to any carrier - anywhere in North America. (Naturally, thesame is just as true of new Pixel 3a and 3a XL phones; I took mine to Tracfone, after all.)
Can't afford a new phone - get a quality refurbed Pixel instead.

Well, the phone itself could be good but google screwed up!!!
1 Software support 3 years is good? You kidding? Apple has 5 year support. Even Iphone 6s has got latest firmware that's released a year before our OG pixel. And will receive another update whereas pixel last firmware is Android 10.
2 Pixels just have too much problems!!! They die out of nowhere for example latest pixel death https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/boot-past-google-logo-white-screen-t3959968 Everyone knows that 128 GB pixels with toshiba chips are prone to die. Audio chips die on pixels, heck even the best thing on this phone camera has problems, on some pixels pictures come out blurry on edges because of rear glass (In later pixel 2 and 3 camera lens is isolated from rear glass). Verison models have disabled bootloader unlocking, you still can unlock bootloader on first gen verizon, but not on 2 & 3. If you do not have unlocked it on pixel 1 and OS corrupts itself you are screwed. Also if you unlock it and relock without being 100% stock you have a brick. Many people here have done this Their pixels turned into bricks.
If you have pixel released before 2017 january you get at minimum 20$ from google and if your pixels has audio problems you get upto 500$ from google. They knew about this issue, just did not care.
I hate apple and iphones, but their phones seem to be much better in build quality and longevity then google pixels. Nexus line was much better at this!

matusala said:
Well, the phone itself could be good but google screwed up!!!
1 Software support 3 years is good? You kidding? Apple has 5 year support. Even Iphone 6s has got latest firmware that's released a year before our OG pixel. And will receive another update whereas pixel last firmware is Android 10.
2 Pixels just have too much problems!!! They die out of nowhere for example latest pixel death https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/boot-past-google-logo-white-screen-t3959968 Everyone knows that 128 GB pixels with toshiba chips are prone to die. Audio chips die on pixels, heck even the best thing on this phone camera has problems, on some pixels pictures come out blurry on edges because of rear glass (In later pixel 2 and 3 camera lens is isolated from rear glass). Verison models have disabled bootloader unlocking, you still can unlock bootloader on first gen verizon, but not on 2 & 3. If you do not have unlocked it on pixel 1 and OS corrupts itself you are screwed. Also if you unlock it and relock without being 100% stock you have a brick. Many people here have done this Their pixels turned into bricks.
If you have pixel released before 2017 january you get at minimum 20$ from google and if your pixels has audio problems you get upto 500$ from google. They knew about this issue, just did not care.
I hate apple and iphones, but their phones seem to be much better in build quality and longevity then google pixels. Nexus line was much better at this!
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1. How many 3 year old or longer iPhones are capable of running the current (non-beta) iPhoneOS?
2. And iPhones (of the same age) don't have problems? I'm not saying that Pixels (or any age) are problem-free; I know better than that. (The same is true of any device - even iPhones and iPads.)
3. Your point is "seems" - how much of that is that the userbase is more willing to give Apple a pass than they are willing to give ANY other ODM - even (if not especially) Google. I support iPhones and iPads as well - not just Android hardware.
Then there is the cost of buying in to the Apple ecosystem - the hardware cost especially, in terms of used hardware - that is the BIGGEST problem with the Apple ecosystem vs. Pixels (I'm talking hardware of the same age). I don't "hate" Apple - in terms of either hardware OR software - if I did, I wouldn't support either one. However, it is flunking the "value" test - and especially at the three year old end (where the original Pixel and Pixel XL are). Further, I made plain that I don't recommend hardware from any OTHER Android ODM at that age - and for the very reason I made plain in my post; the support is not there!
(Yes; Samsung falls down here as well - and I don't hate Samsung, either; I came to the 3a from an S7 (of the Snapdragon sort) - now in honorable retirement. In addition, there is a LOT of non-Android Samsung hardware here - all of the household TVs (except one) and one of our two refrigerators; and considering I'm in the United States (not Europe OR Asia), the dominance of Samsung is earned.

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1. How many 3 year old or longer iPhones are capable of running the current (non-beta) iPhoneOS?
2. And iPhones (of the same age) don't have problems? I'm not saying that Pixels (or any age) are problem-free; I know better than that. (The same is true of any device - even iPhones and iPads.)
3. Your point is "seems" - how much of that is that the userbase is more willing to give Apple a pass than they are willing to give ANY other ODM - even (if not especially) Google. I support iPhones and iPads as well - not just Android hardware.
Then there is the cost of buying in to the Apple ecosystem - the hardware cost especially, in terms of used hardware - that is the BIGGEST problem with the Apple ecosystem vs. Pixels (I'm talking hardware of the same age). I don't "hate" Apple - in terms of either hardware OR software - if I did, I wouldn't support either one. However, it is flunking the "value" test - and especially at the three year old end (where the original Pixel and Pixel XL are). Further, I made plain that I don't recommend hardware from any OTHER Android ODM at that age - and for the very reason I made plain in my post; the support is not there!
(Yes; Samsung falls down here as well - and I don't hate Samsung, either; I came to the 3a from an S7 (of the Snapdragon sort) - now in honorable retirement. In addition, there is a LOT of non-Android Samsung hardware here - all of the household TVs (except one) and one of our two refrigerators; and considering I'm in the United States (not Europe OR Asia), the dominance of Samsung is earned.
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1 I did not write it out of nowhere. My sister has iPhone 6s and it works well on latest iphone firmware
2 Again i am not saying that, but Pixels have much more problems. Everyone knows this here. 128 GB models, speaker, cameras and so on. Iphones are more reliable. Pixel 2 is better but first gen google really screwd up!
3 I am not defending apple i do not like that company, but software is on higher level there. At least you do not get this ****ing ads EVERYWHERE and viruses DIRECTLY from play store. Their software is wayy ahead of android in that. But android is open source and that is why i am able to use latest version of android on my Nexus 4 & 5 which are from 2012 and 2013 respectively.
Now i am never going to have ANY apple products but you should give them a credit where it's due.

iPhones aside the pixel is still relative as a daily driver as in messaging, socials, calls, texts, email and browsing.
I have pie on a nexus 4 but I wouldn't use it out of choice as a daily driver, it's purely a back up device, it's dated.
I paid £150 for my pixel back in january, I'll get another year or so out of it on a custom ROM and then it will either get left in a drawer or binned depending on the battery.
It's a personal preference, I had the nexus 5x and 6p and both went blod but I bought another 5x as it was a cheap, sensible usable phone which is how I see the pixel now.
Just my opinion.

I had $100 to spend on a phone. Been looking all around to get a phone with good camera. So i bought a google pixel for $85. The BEST camera you can get for under $100!

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I had $100 to spend on a phone. Been looking all around to get a phone with good camera. So i bought a google pixel for $85. The BEST camera you can get for under $100!
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I'm not saying that the Pixel camera (any Pixel) is bad - I know better. (The Pixel 3a's camera is - easily - THE best camera I have ever owned OR used.) However, that isn't why I bought - or recommend - the Pixel 3a in particular (or Pixels as phones in general).
Here are my "Pixel points"; they apply to Pixels in general with the sole exception of the Pixel 4 (due to its price expectations).
1. Pixel pricing is sane.
2. Unless you purchase a carrier-specific model (and there is exactly zero reason to do that), you can take it to any carrier.
3. You can go to Android 10 - fresh from Google - from the jump. (Yes - even on the original Pixel.)
4. In addition to the camera, it has one of the best AMOLED displays of any device. (Shocking but true fact - when watching videos, given a choice between my PC - connected to 32" of TV display - or my Pixel 3a - the 3a wins most of the time. It's not JUST the AMOLED display, it is said display's HDR support - not exactly commonplace at the sane end of the price curve.)
As to how LITTLE the camera mattered, in my initial responses to Pixel reviews, I used the "#whatcamera?" hashtag - the camera mattered THAT little. Length and strength of support mattered - enough to boot the S10e out of the purchase matrix - and I actually had hands-on time with it (but not with the 3a) before hitting the "Buy" button.
Lastly, the usual reasons for needing to root don't exactly apply to Android 10, either. I am choosing NOT to root my 10 install. I can - but why? I ran without root starting with beta 3, and realized that there has to be a reason TO root - and with 10, there mostly isn't.

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I'm not saying that the Pixel camera (any Pixel) is bad - I know better. (The Pixel 3a's camera is - easily - THE best camera I have ever owned OR used.) However, that isn't why I bought - or recommend - the Pixel 3a in particular (or Pixels as phones in general).
Here are my "Pixel points"; they apply to Pixels in general with the sole exception of the Pixel 4 (due to its price expectations).
1. Pixel pricing is sane.
2. Unless you purchase a carrier-specific model (and there is exactly zero reason to do that), you can take it to any carrier.
3. You can go to Android 10 - fresh from Google - from the jump. (Yes - even on the original Pixel.)
4. In addition to the camera, it has one of the best AMOLED displays of any device. (Shocking but true fact - when watching videos, given a choice between my PC - connected to 32" of TV display - or my Pixel 3a - the 3a wins most of the time. It's not JUST the AMOLED display, it is said display's HDR support - not exactly commonplace at the sane end of the price curve.)
As to how LITTLE the camera mattered, in my initial responses to Pixel reviews, I used the "#whatcamera?" hashtag - the camera mattered THAT little. Length and strength of support mattered - enough to boot the S10e out of the purchase matrix - and I actually had hands-on time with it (but not with the 3a) before hitting the "Buy" button.
Lastly, the usual reasons for needing to root don't exactly apply to Android 10, either. I am choosing NOT to root my 10 install. I can - but why? I ran without root starting with beta 3, and realized that there has to be a reason TO root - and with 10, there mostly isn't.
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Not sure why you replied like that. He was supporting your argument. FYI, Verizon versions of Pixels can be taken to any carrier. There is no difference except for locked bootloader, and Verizon Pixel 1 has a workaround.

matusala said:
Well, the phone itself could be good but google screwed up!!!
1 Software support 3 years is good? You kidding? Apple has 5 year support. Even Iphone 6s has got latest firmware that's released a year before our OG pixel. And will receive another update whereas pixel last firmware is Android 10.
2 Pixels just have too much problems!!! They die out of nowhere for example latest pixel death https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel/help/boot-past-google-logo-white-screen-t3959968 Everyone knows that 128 GB pixels with toshiba chips are prone to die. Audio chips die on pixels, heck even the best thing on this phone camera has problems, on some pixels pictures come out blurry on edges because of rear glass (In later pixel 2 and 3 camera lens is isolated from rear glass). Verison models have disabled bootloader unlocking, you still can unlock bootloader on first gen verizon, but not on 2 & 3. If you do not have unlocked it on pixel 1 and OS corrupts itself you are screwed. Also if you unlock it and relock without being 100% stock you have a brick. Many people here have done this Their pixels turned into bricks.
If you have pixel released before 2017 january you get at minimum 20$ from google and if your pixels has audio problems you get upto 500$ from google. They knew about this issue, just did not care.
I hate apple and iphones, but their phones seem to be much better in build quality and longevity then google pixels. Nexus line was much better at this!
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Lets try compare:
1. Talking bout upgrade, the iphone never ever get latest new feature, for example night sight from pixel 3, og pixel still get it.
2. That is hardware problem, conditional. Verizon? Are you kidding me? Thats diff product, just buy full unlockable.

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Lets try compare:
1. Talking bout upgrade, the iphone never ever get latest new feature, for example night sight from pixel 3, og pixel still get it.
2. That is hardware problem, conditional. Verizon? Are you kidding me? Thats diff product, just buy full unlockable.
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NightSight turns out to be a software update - merely go to Camera 7.1 on any Pixel.
The same has turned out to be the case with most of the software related leaks - if not all of them.
The single-carrier issue is not just Verizon - it is in any country the restriction exists, such as the UK.
That is why I recommend the full unlockable. There is no longer a penalty fir doing so.

This is my taking on OP post.
1. We are on XDA. Software update was never a problem. Lineage are always there. Even my S3 i9300 still alive.
2. Price here rn on my country is crazy cheap. I myself got OG pixel before pixel 3 launch below 200 usd. It's really hard to see someone with a phone that are not Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi or iPhone. Even OnePlus is really not popular here.
3. 90% phone sell here are not bound by carrier. Unlocked.
4. Yes, pixel do have it's own problem. Just about 3 month ago, my vibrator motor just died.
I own a 5" OG Pixel 32GB.

I missed the pissing match. I take it no one one, as usual?

I have a Pixel and Pixel XL 128gb, and after the recent Google camera port that allow SuperResZoom, I'm going back to the Pixels as my daily driver. The photo quality from the Pixel is so good, I can't justify shelling out a thousand dollar for the latest devices.
The main problem with these phones is the battery life. You can replace the battery yourself, but it can be difficult and easy to break the screen if you're not used to it. And make sure the microphone is working because that was one of the design flaw. The call quality isn't great with this phone. Other than that every else run great. I love the finger print scanner as opposed to face unlock of the newer devices.
I might consider the 3a if it goes on sale nearer to $200 this Black Friday.

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This is my taking on OP post.
1. We are on XDA. Software update was never a problem. Lineage are always there. Even my S3 i9300 still alive.
2. Price here rn on my country is crazy cheap. I myself got OG pixel before pixel 3 launch below 200 usd. It's really hard to see someone with a phone that are not Huawei, Samsung, Xiaomi or iPhone. Even OnePlus is really not popular here.
3. 90% phone sell here are not bound by carrier. Unlocked.
4. Yes, pixel do have it's own problem. Just about 3 month ago, my vibrator motor just died.
I own a 5" OG Pixel 32GB.
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You are right
I just bought an OG Pixel 128gb today for rm460 in a local shop(online can get much cheaper I know).
I thought to myself I needed an affordable phone, ofcourse Xiaomis was on my mind but low end Xiaomi had unusable camera. This is the first time I've used a Pixel and coming from iPhone XR I'm really impressed with GCAM especially NightSight. Pixel > Xiaomi Redmis anyday unless you prefer your Mobile Legends and won't mind a terrible low light camera.
Oh yeah I'm really impressed with everything but very disappointed with the battery life...any tips of custom ROM to extend the battery life?

What I Had Been Saying bout Pixels in General (exception - Pixel 4)
funtikar said:
You are right
I just bought an OG Pixel 128gb today for rm460 in a local shop(online can get much cheaper I know).
I thought to myself I needed an affordable phone, ofcourse Xiaomis was on my mind but low end Xiaomi had unusable camera. This is the first time I've used a Pixel and coming from iPhone XR I'm really impressed with GCAM especially NightSight. Pixel > Xiaomi Redmis anyday unless you prefer your Mobile Legends and won't mind a terrible low light camera.
Oh yeah I'm really impressed with everything but very disappointed with the battery life...any tips of custom ROM to extend the battery life?
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The exception I pointed to was the Pixel 4 - the two reasons were the price AND the Soli/facial-recognition. (Why those two? Soli drives the facial recognition - which has a flaw - which is not present in fingerprint recognition - which is in every other Pixel.) Worse - what ODM is a big investor in the facial-recognition space? Apple. Basically, the Pixel 4 is an Android iPhone - with a price to match. No frigging thank you!
Other Pixels - and especially the 3a? Sensibly priced. Take them to any provider - anywhere on the planet. The Camera app is growing on me; in fact, I've found a NEW use for it - documenting purchases. That deadly Google Camera app is ideal for taking pictures of receipts (remember, those snaps show up in Google Photos, which is also accessible away from the phone).