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I think they are making a big mistake taking this stance on root & custom roms.
http://androinica.com/2010/07/14/mo...source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_camp aign=Feed%3A+androinica+%28Androinica+-++A+Google+Android+Blog%29
Maybe they should stop with Android then. The platform is all about being open. I lost all interest in this phone when this was confirmed.
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They just lost half of there customers now
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You guys are desensitized from being members here
the rooting/modding/flashing community is maybe at most 10-15% of users, and that's being super generous
most people will not even read that announcement, and if they do, most will have no idea what it means
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Maybe they should stop with Android then. The platform is all about being open. I lost all interest in this phone when this was confirmed.
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i can only completely agree with that! i wanted it but now i ordered a galaxy S...screw you motorola!
Modders may only be a very small portion of their user base. But I'll tell everyone who ask to avoid the whole Moto line of phones. And being a Computer Guy I get asked a lot.
I too have posted my feelings on a couple of other boards. Even on my facebook. Android is open source and it is my understanding that Gingerbread is actually aiming at getting rid of overlays like Sense and Blur. Good for Google.
This wasn't even a fully open admission from Motorola. From what I understand the eFuse thing was found BY modders...and not explained by Motorola. That is down right devious.
I was seriously on the fence about this phone...been driving my friends nuts with comparisons between Evo and Droid X. Was going to have both of them in 30 day period to compare side by side for a week...
...now...I love my Evolina more and she is the phone for me. Canceling my spot on the waiting list.
Its really just a stop gap phone until we see a 4.3" HTC device or other super phone with more features. I can live without custom roms and root access on this phone for 6 months.
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You guys are desensitized from being members here
the rooting/modding/flashing community is maybe at most 10-15% of users, and that's being super generous
most people will not even read that announcement, and if they do, most will have no idea what it means
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I'd say it much smaller than that. There also seems to be a lot of die hard ROM flashing types buying the phone anyways
I dislike the encrypted boot loader, but not enough to not buy the phone. I am assuming we will manage to get root access. And with that we can do a lot.
Only time will tell how big an issue the bootloader ends up being.
http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-coming-galaxy-sii-thanks-samsung
As u can see Sammy is embracing the root community by giving a Dev that root phones there phone and telling them to do there thing. When all these other company's HTC included are locking down bootloaders Sammy says please make our device better. Plus the galaxy tab 2 is getting great reviews it looks like its going to be a sammy year for me .
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http://www.androidcentral.com/cyanogenmod-coming-galaxy-sii-thanks-samsung
As u can see Sammy is embracing the root community by giving a Dev that root phones there phone and telling them to do there thing. When all these other company's HTC included are locking down bootloaders Sammy says please make our device better. Plus the galaxy tab 2 is getting great reviews it looks like its going to be a sammy year for me .
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and htc isnt how?
http://www.htcdev.com/ all bootloaders have been signed and they where going to encrpyt them and now they arnt so congrats for samsung for being the biggest marketing people to get everyone to buy their POS products so enjoy your darker darks and your yellow whites on your sammy not trying to be a **** just putting my two cents out their and showing you but have fun on wiz cause thats what i wanna do on samsung haha
Until Samsung fixes their radio/GPS problems, I'll stick with HTC....
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Until Samsung fixes their radio/GPS problems, I'll stick with HTC....
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This, & Sammy gave the dev a GSM model, which doesn't mean **** for us CDMA users, & if you don't agree then just go ask the devs in the Epic forum who are still trying their damndest to get CM7 fully running while the Captivate & Vibrant both has been fully blessed by Cyanogen hisself.
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this thread is terrible.
Poor misinformed soul.....
It's a promising sign but I'm not sure I'm quite convinced that Samsung is trying to change their ways. Of course, we also have no proof that HTC is going to truly unlock their bootloaders either.
My experience with 3 stock Samsung Android phones on Sprint has left a bitter taste in my mouth.
1. I had the original "Moment" from day 1. Paid $475 for it and had nothing but problems.
2. My wife has the "Transform" (I gave Samsung a mulligan for the Moment since it was 1st generation....) -- big mistake, almost as crappy as the Moment.
3. My Daughter has the "Intercept" -- got it at the same time as the Transform (so I did not have a chance to see that the Moment was more a precursor to the craptastic to come rather than a "one off" mistake.
Even without rooting and romming -- the EVO is head and shoulders above any of the Samsung phones I have seen. As far as being able to actually use it without weird things happening.
Yes....I said it --- that is the downfall of Samsung phones...."Weird things happen at a very slow pace, and even doing basic things like making a phone call or sending a text becomes a huge undertaking."
Had I not known better (owning other Android devices) -- could have sworn that Samsung was trying to make Android look like a steaming, buggy, not ready for prime time, piece of crap OS....When in fact it is not that at all.
As a last desperate measure before purchasing my EVO....I rooted and installed a custom ROM on my Moment -- and it actually was a pretty good experience to turn it into a device I could at least make phone calls on and send texts (which was worlds above stock Moment -- even though the GPS no longer worked.) So I can at least thank Samsung for forcing me to discover the world of custom roms.
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That's a value added post if I ever saw one.
How is this not good news for the end user? A headset manufacturer giving the OK to one of the best developer teams to implement a highly popular custom ROM is a bad idea? Some people will never be happy.
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That's a value added post if I ever saw one.
How is this not good news for the end user? A headset manufacturer giving the OK to one of the best developer teams to implement a highly popular custom ROM is a bad idea? Some people will never be happy.
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It might be good news if said dev recieved a CDMA phone which is what the majority of people here would purchase. It really is irrevelent because he got a GSM phone, which really changes nothing.
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It might be good news if said dev recieved a CDMA phone which is what the majority of people here would purchase. It really is irrevelent because he got a GSM phone, which really changes nothing.
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Is a CDMA version of the phone even available yet?
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Is a CDMA version of the phone even available yet?
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That I don't know. Good question.
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Is a CDMA version of the phone even available yet?
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Official, no. Testing, yes. Samsung could easily give a CDMA developer the device, but it'll be discreet until the carrier announcement. This was a good move by Samsung, but don't forget about the Nexus One and EVO 4G. Classy move by Samsung, but nothing HTC haven't done before and more.
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Samsung is the most aggressive smartphone manufacturer right now (giving phones to dev is just a brilliant PR move if nothing else).
This ain't no Epic. SG2 marks a new era for Samsung. I've had it for 2 weeks now (with my EVO) leading up to what would have been my pending EVO 3D purchase... which will likely morph into a Sprint Within purchase at this point.
Obviously 'user experience' is highly subjective...but it seems unlikely the 3D will match this rooted, stripped SG2 experience I'm enjoying now. Fiercely fast...brilliant multimedia performance...at least compared to the 4G..
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Samsung is the most aggressive smartphone manufacturer right now (giving phones to dev is just a brilliant PR move if nothing else).
This ain't no Epic. SG2 marks a new era for Samsung. I've had it for 2 weeks now (with my EVO) leading up to what would have been my pending EVO 3D purchase... which will likely morph into a Sprint Within purchase at this point.
Obviously 'user experience' is highly subjective...but it seems unlikely the 3D will match this rooted, stripped SG2 experience I'm enjoying now. Fiercely fast...brilliant multimedia performance...at least compared to the 4G..
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Very subjective, but I fail to agree that the 3D rooted and optimized fails to match, especially when noone has even touched the phone. The specs are too good on it not to be one of the best phones of the year, and rooted and optimized is only icing on the cake.
How is the screen on the 3d compared to a super amoled. I tried reading specs but have no idea what they mean. I just wanna be able to actually see my phone when I'm outside.
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Very subjective, but I fail to agree that the 3D rooted and optimized fails to match, especially when noone has even touched the phone. The specs are too good on it not to be one of the best phones of the year, and rooted and optimized is only icing on the cake.
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Yeah, hope your right..really do. To me it comes down to the camera quality and video quality...cause other than that the only thing it has going thats appreciatively better than my rooted gingerbread 4G!...is pixel density and that its faster.
To me the dealbreaker is how much better are its multimedia capabilities...(2D..not 3D)...cause this things (GS2) is crystalclear brilliant!
I think it's funny that Samsung can't make good software for their own phones, so they want someone else to do it for them. And for basically nothing.
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I think it's funny that Samsung can't make good software for their own phones, so they want someone else to do it for them. And for basically nothing.
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Ignorance..
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I think it's funny that Samsung can't make good software for their own phones, so they want someone else to do it for them. And for basically nothing.
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Cheap ****s
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How do you feel about the company after all this time? Has any of the controversies changed your perception of the company? Would you buy its products in the future? Etc...
For me the company isn't as good as it was in the past when i bought the OPO. The controversies have changed my perception of the company by a lot. They have opened up a whole lot about the company that their PR Team can't cover up. The most sad thing I've found is that OP doesn't want to address the problems and even if they do they don't want to solve it. Its an amateur move to think that there's an easy way out. For instance (agree with me or not) OxygenOS was a screw up after all that hype. But they didn't address the problem they just kept hyping it more and more. For fixing of the problem, there is no update for OxygenOS.. It's like the project is dead. But let's not about that.
For the future products, I will look forward to buy them but the doubt a person has before buying something has definitely increased from when i bought the OPO
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How do you feel about the company after all this time? Has any of the controversies changed your perception of the company? Would you buy its products in the future? Etc...
For me the company isn't as good as it was in the past when i bought the OPO. The controversies have changed my perception of the company by a lot. They have opened up a whole lot about the company that their PR Team can't cover up. The most sad thing I've found is that OP doesn't want to address the problems and even if they do they don't want to solve it. Its an amateur move to think that there's an easy way out. For instance (agree with me or not) OxygenOS was a screw up after all that hype. But they didn't address the problem they just kept hyping it more and more. For fixing of the problem, there is no update for OxygenOS.. It's like the project is dead. But let's not about that.
For the future products, I will look forward to buy them but the doubt a person has before buying something has definitely increased from when i bought the OPO
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How was Oxygen a screw up? Do you mean the extended delays? If so I agree completely, they made a huge mistake in continually promising release dates that they couldn't make. As far as updates go, it's been less than two months since release. Have a look at all the other OEM release schedules and it's pretty clear that updates aren't usually very frequent. Either way I'd still consider buying another OnePlus product, but my decision would hinge on what OS was shipped with the product.
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How was Oxygen a screw up? Do you mean the extended delays? If so I agree completely, they made a huge mistake in continually promising release dates that they couldn't make. As far as updates go, it's been less than two months since release. Have a look at all the other OEM release schedules and it's pretty clear that updates aren't usually very frequent. Either way I'd still consider buying another OnePlus product, but my decision would hinge on what OS was shipped with the product.
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Its not about the OS at all...Mentioning the OS was just for an instance and it was the first thing that came to my mind...I can google the other things if you want..give you a complete;y detailed list with the highest crystal purity you have ever seen :silly:
and i understand that it takes to roll out updates...But what is the overhyped PA/O2OS team doing since the past couple of months?
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Its not about the OS at all...Mentioning the OS was just for an instance and it was the first thing that came to my mind...I can google the other things if you want..give you a complete;y detailed list with the highest crystal purity you have ever seen :silly:
and i understand that it takes to roll out updates...But what is the overhyped PA/O2OS team doing since the past couple of months?
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I get what you're saying, OnePlus have made quite a few mistakes. They're a young company though, that's not to excuse them exactly, but hopefully they actually learn from their errors and make a bigger effort in future.
In regards to Oxygen, it isn't PA, there's only one member of the Oxygen team that came from Paranoid Android. As far as it being over-hyped, I can only assume that you're saying you weren't overly pleased with the end product. But as I see it they delivered exactly what they promised; a close to stock Android experience. I've seen a lot of people complain that it lacks features that they're used to, but those features that they're missing aren't a part of stock Android and therefore shouldn't have been expected in the first place. If people want those kinds of features turn they need to turn to the one place that they're readily available; XDA, and custom ROMs. In saying that, I don't personally like Oxygen, because I like more features, so I use custom ROMs. But I was fully aware that Oxygen was being promoted as a stock-like experience so there's no reason to complain about that. The fact that I don't personally like it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's my own opinion, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that my opinion means that it's a bad OS, there are many people out there that love it.
What have the Oxygen team been doing? What has any development team been doing since their last update? Working on the OS (hopefully). The fact is we're not entitled to anything, it's an optional OS.
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I get what you're saying, OnePlus have made quite a few mistakes. They're a young company though, that's not to excuse them exactly, but hopefully they actually learn from their errors and make a bigger effort in future.
In regards to Oxygen, it isn't PA, there's only one member of the Oxygen team that came from Paranoid Android. As far as it being over-hyped, I can only assume that you're saying you weren't overly pleased with the end product. But as I see it they delivered exactly what they promised; a close to stock Android experience. I've seen a lot of people complain that it lacks features that they're used to, but those features that they're missing aren't a part of stock Android and therefore shouldn't have been expected in the first place. If people want those kinds of features turn they need to turn to the one place that they're readily available; XDA, and custom ROMs. In saying that, I don't personally like Oxygen, because I like more features, so I use custom ROMs. But I was fully aware that Oxygen was being promoted as a stock-like experience so there's no reason to complain about that. The fact that I don't personally like it doesn't make it a bad product, it just means it's my own opinion, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that my opinion means that it's a bad OS, there are many people out there that love it.
What have the Oxygen team been doing? What has any development team been doing since their last update? Working on the OS (hopefully). The fact is we're not entitled to anything, it's an optional OS.
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I don't know how this turned into a debate on n OxygenOS. But now since it has there are already too many ROMs which are near stock experience.. What's the use of one more? Also they never said they were going to release a ROM which was near stock rather they said it was going to be something great. There are already enough averages out there, no need for one more giving the stock experience.
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I don't know how this turned into a debate on n OxygenOS. But now since it has there are already too many ROMs which are near stock experience.. What's the use of one more? Also they never said they were going to release a ROM which was near stock rather they said it was going to be something great. There are already enough averages out there, no need for one more giving the stock experience.
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Natural progression of the conversation since that's where you started in your OP. What's the use? Choice. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, you have your opinion and you're entitled to that, but your opinion doesn't dictate how others see the ROM. It's simple; if you don't like Oxygen just don't use it. We have literally dozens and dozens of ROMs available for this phone so you can have your pick.
There are plenty of people who want a near stock experience. And yes, they did promote it as that on numerous occasions. And it is great in many people's eyes, which brings me back to my previous point; the fact that you don't think it's great doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. To each their own.
To say thread the ROM is pointless is akin to saying that any phone without a custom ROM on it (and running OEM firmware) is pointless. There are billions of those in the world. Custom ROMs are the minority. Plus, there are many ROMs right here on XDA that are a near stock experience, are they all pointless?
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Natural progression of the conversation since that's where you started in your OP. What's the use? Choice. The fact that you don't like it doesn't mean others don't, you have your opinion and you're entitled to that, but your opinion doesn't dictate how others see the ROM. It's simple; if you don't like Oxygen just don't use it. We have literally dozens and dozens of ROMs available for this phone so you can have your pick.
There are plenty of people who want a near stock experience. And yes, they did promote it as that on numerous occasions. And it is great in many people's eyes, which brings me back to my previous point; the fact that you don't think it's great doesn't mean it isn't great for someone else. To each their own.
To say thread the ROM is pointless is akin to saying that any phone without a custom ROM on it (and running OEM firmware) is pointless. There are billions of those in the world. Custom ROMs are the minority. Plus, there are many ROMs right here on XDA that are a near stock experience, are they all pointless?
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Is adding 1 to 100 pointless? Yup!
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Is adding 1 to 100 pointless? Yup!
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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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Yes you are right. OP's own conscience is not clear yet. He need to understand what exactly he want from the company. Oxygen OS was pure AOSP build. I don't think there is any ROM on XDA which is pure stock like Oxygen. So people who love AOSP ROM's will prefer oxygen. Other people have tons of ROMs to choose from.
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Yes you are right. OP's own conscience is not clear yet. He need to understand what exactly he want from the company. Oxygen OS was pure AOSP build. I don't think there is any ROM on XDA which is pure stock like Oxygen. So people who love AOSP ROM's will prefer oxygen. Other people have tons of ROMs to choose from.
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First of all i didn't come here to discuss about OxygenOS and conscience? Really?
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Alright, I can see this is a discussion that will go nowhere because you fully believe that your opinion is the only one in the world that matters, that your opinion is the only one in the world that is right, and that your opinion is fact and not just an opinion. No matter how many perfectly rational and valid points I put forward you're unable to open your mind to see past your own point of view. Good luck with that.
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I don't about my opinion and my ability to look beyond it but what i know from roaming around these forums is that its very easy to honey pot people. Its very easy to get their loyalty and to have them defend you at no matter what. Its really easy to stop them from taking out a moment and rationally thinking.
I personally think OnePlus is on the right track. I'd consider a phone from them again only if the value was similar. A phone with these specs at 360 today is still a decent deal. Regarding oxygen os, I'm one of the users that likes it pure asop base and then I use xposed to add the specific features I want. I view the sheer volume of choices as a huge value add for this phone and its ease to flash custom roms a huge benefit ensuring support from dev community for a while. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely but it's still high on my list of vendors to choose from when it's time to upgrade.
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First of all i didn't come here to discuss about OxygenOS and conscience? Really?
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Can't you see you are begging for updates of Oxygen in your first post. Now you are saying its not about Oxygen OS.
loving OPO the starting period... Now hating and waiting to sold my OPO and I will NEVER buy a product from them anymore.
From 1 month I've the display issue, with ghost/non responsive touch, no matter what ROM or FIX I apply....
I contact the assistance to change it in warranty, they told me that they can't repair 'cause it have some dents on the frame...
They continue to send me ROMS, links, zips with pre-writed forms, they never read one word from what i write them.
So, I've a VERY BAD opinion of them, and from now, I will leave forever all their products to others people on the earth.
Flagship killer.... it's easy to use batches of fail/cheap display and when they result as crappy display you search all excuses to not repair them.
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Can't you see you are begging for updates of Oxygen in your first post. Now you are saying its not about Oxygen OS.
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dude i don't even use o2os
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loving OPO the starting period... Now hating and waiting to sold my OPO and I will NEVER buy a product from them anymore.
From 1 month I've the display issue, with ghost/non responsive touch, no matter what ROM or FIX I apply....
I contact the assistance to change it in warranty, they told me that they can't repair 'cause it have some dents on the frame...
They continue to send me ROMS, links, zips with pre-writed forms, they never read one word from what i write them.
So, I've a VERY BAD opinion of them, and from now, I will leave forever all their products to others people on the earth.
Flagship killer.... it's easy to use batches of fail/cheap display and when they result as crappy display you search all excuses to not repair them.
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OP's service has always been awful
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It all depends on the price for me. I bought the Oneplus One because it was pretty cheap, had good specs and a decent community. I might buy the Two if it's cheap. If it's expensive because of some useless metal parts or because it has the ability to control my tv or make soup, I won't buy it.
I love my OPO and can't wait for OP2. Tech support IME has been fantastic, they solved a small issue without delay and were friendly & helpful the entire time. I'd recommend OnePlus to anybody based on that experience and of course the phone itself. tbh i don't care at all about OxygenOS or delays because I run rooted custom all the time no matter what it came with. Mine came with KitKat and was awesome the whole time, when LP arrived it was still awesome so there's no reason to be unhappy.
CM12S is a good default choice for most ppl and the camera app is solid, only wish it used Camera2 LP API even if we'd lose the Clear Image feature. Openness of the hardware is like a breath of fresh air after years of Samsung. Now that Samsung is trying to be Apple with KNOX and other BS it's even more compelling to choose OnePlus for the next iteration - IF they keep the screen at least 5.5, hopefully bigger.
I know that eventually one dev with have the time to root and possibly find a way to unlock the bootloader. I am starting this pot for the dev/s that can pull this off and maybe even get us some TWRP for ROMing.
I'll put down:
$25 for working root
$45 for a unlocked bootloader
And $100 for root, bootloader and TWRP
I do this for because I can't and to motive development.
good luck
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If no one has figured out how to unlock the S7 by now then this one isn't getting unlocked either.......
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If no one has figured out how to unlock the S7 by now then this one isn't getting unlocked either.......
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That's not at all true. Sometimes ways are found.
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That's not at all true. Sometimes ways are found.
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There has been nothing to show that anyone is remotely close to unlocking the bootloader. Yes... anything is possible but this has been going on for a long while now. The devs that work on stuff here are uber talented, no doubt. It just doesn't look good at this point...
These bounties are pointless now-a-days. Samsung KNOX has a bug bounty program, they also work with Bug Crowd and HackerOne. Each of these programs offer some nice size payouts to people who find vulnerabilities in Samsung Products. Bootloader exploits would be a rather huge payout, because Samsung doesn't want people messing with the chance to make money on Samsung Pay. So IF there ever is a bootloader unlock discovered, pray said hacker does not go the way of the coin and still favors the open source community. Samsung is no ones fool, they'd gladly pay out a few $100,000 to some random dude in Russia than to loose out on secure devices that investors know has no current exploit for unlocking.
Or, I could be full of it, and we get our bootloaders unlocked tonight! While the porn star of our dreams gets cured of anything that AJAX can't get rid of, gives us the best night of our collective lives and.... the hot pocket we pull out of the microwave does not burn our mouths or have a frozen center. (here's hoping)
Love the positivity at the end but you are partially right. Money is what usually drives things now and maybe for developers as well seeing as this is a hobby more than a job, but I have seen some developers dedicated to this line of work (ie the M7SPR forums where they are on nougat on a 2013 device).
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These bounties are pointless now-a-days. Samsung KNOX has a bug bounty program, they also work with Bug Crowd and HackerOne. Each of these programs offer some nice size payouts to people who find vulnerabilities in Samsung Products. Bootloader exploits would be a rather huge payout, because Samsung doesn't want people messing with the chance to make money on Samsung Pay. So IF there ever is a bootloader unlock discovered, pray said hacker does not go the way of the coin and still favors the open source community. Samsung is no ones fool, they'd gladly pay out a few $100,000 to some random dude in Russia than to loose out on secure devices that investors know has no current exploit for unlocking.
Or, I could be full of it, and we get our bootloaders unlocked tonight! While the porn star of our dreams gets cured of anything that AJAX can't get rid of, gives us the best night of our collective lives and.... the hot pocket we pull out of the microwave does not burn our mouths or have a frozen center. (here's hoping)
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Interesting info. Thanks.
I only got the S8+ because I got tired of LG being so behind on technology and innovation. LG has usually always been rootable.
Hopefully the Pixel 2 will be better than this S8+ and be carried on T-Mobile. Pretty sure the few last remaining devs with superior skills on XDA will focus on that device.
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S7 is over a year old and hows that progressing for an unlock?
Security gets harder to work around each year..the days of things like safestrap and Loki are over
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And sometimes not...
S7 is over a year old and hows that progressing for an unlock?
Security gets harder to work around each year..the days of things like safestrap and Loki are over
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It's a matter of demand. The iPhone gets jail broken every time. The exynos version don't have to deal with this and have root and unlocked bl. That causes the need to be diminished. It's software and it can be cracked. It's a matter of getting the attention of people with the extreme skills to do it. I'm sure jcase and company could do it. But it is alot if work and they don't need the headache, understandable. But maybe since this phone sales are way higher than the S7 we might get it this time around. Coupled with the fact that every update breaks the process , if there is one. Who wants to deal with that?
No software security is foolproof, it just isn't. That doesn't mean someone will find the way. But it certainly is possible
My prediction, having seen how things are since the days of gakaxy note 1, is that 1) there will be no unlocking of the bootloader 2) an engineering kernel will leak soon which will allow rooting (like it happened for s7).
With all the flexibility worked into these newer phones reasons for rooting have become much fewer. I rooted my s7 when the rootable kernel became available but the kernel was buggy and needed a lot of tweaking, and some of my apps didn't work well with the root so I reverted. Honestly the phone ran so smoothly on the stock rom that I never missed root.
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I know that eventually one dev with have the time to root and possibly find a way to unlock the bootloader. I am starting this pot for the dev/s that can pull this off and maybe even get us some TWRP for ROMing.
I'll put down:
$25 for working root
$45 for a unlocked bootloader
And $100 for root, bootloader and TWRP
I do this for because I can't and to motive development.
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why would you mirror what's already being done?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/how-to/bounty-thread-snapdragon-usa-variants-t3598271
hazmad said:
why would you mirror what's already being done?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8+/how-to/bounty-thread-snapdragon-usa-variants-t3598271
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Hey thanks for the links but check your dates on when posts are made. This post was made 04/25/2017 and the linked post was made 04/29/2017. I don't care which post gets followed as long as someone can help the forum. Not trying to be an @$$ but always study sources before posting.
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Hey thanks for the links but check your dates on when posts are made. This post was made 04/25/2017 and the linked post was made 04/29/2017. I don't care which post gets followed as long as someone can help the forum. Not trying to be an @$$ but always study sources before posting.
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Post dates are like instruction manuals - I ignore them
These carrier sub-forums get little traffic. If you had posted this to the Main S8+ page, you would have been golden
Greetings fellow nerds. How's it hangin'
Note to admin, I don't have permissions to create a dev thread. Your move broooh.
Uhhhh so this whole "Wah VZN and I couldn't buy a google pixel in full because I'm poor" has been getting on my nerves. I too can't afford an $900 phone and due to college, my credit history is a burden.
I want to start a discussion on the feasibility of literally opening up a phone, jamming some probes in and directly overwriting the chip to a generic bootloader/kernel.
Maybe you'd have to replace the chip and start with a blank slate, I dunno, but it's a frikkin' rock encased in refined dinosaur crap. How could the awesome might of electricity (in the form of merciless shock therapy) fail against a turd-encrusted sand-dollar? I don't think so.
I just made this account. Hope to see some naysayers in the morning at least telling me the idea is pointless and I'm an idiot so I don't waste my time.
Btw I don't mean zapping a chip, I just meant using one of those in-system programmers. This method could probably never be patched which is worth looking at as an exploit. AMiR?
Anyone notice that Verizon's latest commercial stars the protagonist of Silicon Valley? As if.
I kind of agree but the knife cuts both ways here. Us making posts about devs needing to try harder to unlock the bootloader may just be getting annoying. They know who they are and they may or may not be working on it. I would love to know somebody that knew how to do this or have an understanding of this. Even at the basic level I wish I knew where they even started.
The way I look at it, the bounty for unlocking the bootloader being ~2k isnt enough. This probably takes weeks to do. I would assume whoever figures out the exploits has an engineering degree from somewhere and understands how programming and exploitation works. They can probably make more money in a weeks time than what the bounty will ever be from this site.
It's not the bounty or the money. There is no reason to unlock the bootloader since the Google version is unlockable. And then a new update comes out and it's locked again. It's just pointless.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The best bet for unlocking this, or any other phone, is to keep an eye on Linux kernel vulnerabilities. It's not a magic box, it's a small computer running modified Linux. The tricky bit is if a vuln is found, it will be patched. Is it work? Yes. Is it more effort than it's worth? Probably. Is it fun? If it's interesting to you, then yes!
I think in the end, if you look at it as a mystery or puzzle when trying to unlock your device, it can be fun. If you are wanting or needing extra functionality that requires root, then you should likely buy it direct from Google. In principle I don't like that it's locked, but in practice it doesn't matter too much. I totally understand people not being able to afford to drop the money up front, hell I'm one of em! At the same time though, there's nothing magic about "the devs." They're just people who found this stuff fascinating and decided to learn how to do it. Which means YOU can do it too! Only thing standing between you and an unlocked device is investment, either in money (a google phone), or in time (learn how these things work and try it yourself).
Ok this ended in me rambling a bit. Hopefully it made sense.
Has anyone tried manually flashing an ota update through the stock recovery ? It Should pass signature verification from the locked bootloader right ? If so , couldn't there be a way to fake the signature , so a modified .zip could be flashed on a locked bootloader ?
IDK just asking since I got a Verizon version a week ago . Been on Nexus devices since the Galaxy Nexus . I am pretty upset at my ignorance on not knowing Verizon locked the bootloader on their version before buying.
I'm not an expert but I have some experience modding kernels and recoveries on the Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 6
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Jessooca said:
I understand what you're asking and I too bought a Pixel XL (verizon version) forgetting entirely about the locked bootloader... in all the other nexus devices I've had you could simply download the latest official image from google for the device and simply flash it and youd have a nexus/pixel you could use on whichever carrier you want and not have to worry about bloatware, etc... so I am assuming your asking if you can do just that, simply download the latest full factory image https://dl.google.com/dl/android/aosp/marlin-opr3.170623.007-factory-fc68b6a3.zip and flash it to your phone and will it work or cause issues...... well it simply will fail from the get go IF it won't work.
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Basically what I was getting at is there might be a way to trick the locked bootloader into thinking a .zip file I flash is an ota update when it's really something else . It's the only way I see a route into gaining superuser privilege.
Also I am going to call Verizon and see why they decided to do this. I can't see an answer that they could give that would be reasonable . Hopefully they have the ability to unlock them or push an update to unlock after the pixel 2 is out IDK .
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Basically what I was getting at is there might be a way to trick the locked bootloader into thinking a .zip file I flash is an ota update when it's really something else . It's the only way I see a route into gaining superuser privilege.
Also I am going to call Verizon and see why they decided to do this. I can't see an answer that they could give that would be reasonable . Hopefully they have the ability to unlock them or push an update to unlock after the pixel 2 is out IDK .
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You do that. Let us know what they say. It's prolly just a mistake on their part. They prolly didn't mean to lock them.
LMAO.
mattwheat said:
You do that. Let us know what they say. It's prolly just a mistake on their part. They prolly didn't mean to lock them.
LMAO.
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Id say save your time calling them. They will more than likely give you some ,in their eyes common sense, reasons in the direction of "Its network security" or "we don't want our customers unknowingly flashing a file not meant for the device and bricking their device" ect. Look online as to why they chose to lock the boot loader, because they can get away with it hiding behind network security and watching out for customers.
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Also I am going to call Verizon and see why they decided to do this. I can't see an answer that they could give that would be reasonable . Hopefully they have the ability to unlock them or push an update to unlock after the pixel 2 is out IDK .
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I highly doubt it. They do it for security as well as a control measure when it comes to warranty, returns, and insurance.
You have dishonest people that would do things to their devices and brick them and try to say it's a defect. Back in the day you could load iPhone firmware onto an iPod, brick it so bad their in-store software tools couldn't find the root cause and walk out with a shiny new device because it looks like a defect.
The fact that a nexus / pixel is almost impossible to brick is irrelevant because they arent in the business of quantifying how brickable or not a device is and applying bootloaders accordingly.
The majority of their customers don't even know what a bootloader is.
Further more I don't think anyone in their 3 tier service model will give you a useful answer based off of the point above. Even if you got an answer how will that change what the current situation is.
Frankly I'd figure out a way to buy from Google and screw the run around because I bet you there are people holding out hope for an early exploit like we had on the Pixel which is highly unlikely.
Unless you can find how bootloaders are in violation of the block C rules, this is a losing battle.
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I highly doubt it. They do it for security as well as a control measure when it comes to warranty, returns, and insurance.
You have dishonest people that would do things to their devices and brick them and try to say it's a defect. Back in the day you could load iPhone firmware onto an iPod, brick it so bad their in-store software tools couldn't find the root cause and walk out with a shiny new device because it looks like a defect.
The fact that a nexus / pixel is almost impossible to brick is irrelevant because they arent in the business of quantifying how brickable or not a device is and applying bootloaders accordingly.
The majority of their customers don't even know what a bootloader is.
Further more I don't think anyone in their 3 tier service model will give you a useful answer based off of the point above. Even if you got an answer how will that change what the current situation is.
Frankly I'd figure out a way to buy from Google and screw the run around because I bet you there are people holding out hope for an early exploit like we had on the Pixel which is highly unlikely.
Unless you can find how bootloaders are in violation of the block C rules, this is a losing battle.
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It's definitely not a security issue , if they were worried about it on their end , the network end , I would never have been running unlocked bootloader devices on their network for better part of a decade. There's no reason they can give other than " we don't want people messing with their phone "
I honestly don't care if they hang up on me when I call , but they greyed out a switch and left a message to contact them so that's what I'll do since I guess no one else ever has . I'll laugh if they do unlock it for me ......
Again I was merely trying to suggest ways to attack the problem , I'm surprised there isn't more of a will to over come the problem simply because it's a challenge , not go buy a google version . I did buy a google version , screw Verizon . I'll find a way to unlock it or someone who can , or they will .
Xda has changed a lot..... [emoji53]
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bsmitty83 said:
It's definitely not a security issue , if they were worried about it on their end , the network end , I would never have been running unlocked bootloader devices on their network for better part of a decade. There's no reason they can give other than " we don't want people messing with their phone "
I honestly don't care if they hang up on me when I call , but they greyed out a switch and left a message to contact them so that's what I'll do since I guess no one else ever has . I'll laugh if they do unlock it for me ......
Again I was merely trying to suggest ways to attack the problem , I'm surprised there isn't more of a will to over come the problem simply because it's a challenge , not go buy a google version . I did buy a google version , screw Verizon . I'll find a way to unlock it or someone who can , or they will .
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Them allowing you to run an unlocked device has nothing to do with what they sell. They can't prevent you from using a compatible device if their network supports it and it isn't black listed. That's an FCC rule, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with the bootloader on your device.
XDA hasn't changed, the fact that you think this battle is brand new and we are blazing a trail just shows a short sightedness of the community.
There have been hundreds of petitions created, there have been pushes in various device threads to flood the FCC with requests to elevate the issue. Verizon as well as other carriers have literally had lawsuits levied against them. This has literally been going on for YEARS.
Please tell me after reading all that what calling and wasting the time of tech support is gonna do.
The real funny thing is someone that thinks they can call tech support and simply get your bootloader unlocked. That is hilarious.
Tell me who do you think designed and very likely has the means to unlock the boot loader on your GOOGLE Pixel? Hint, it isn't Verizon.
Verizon didn't develop the patch that blocked the exploit either. So what do you really think Verizon is gonna do to help you by calling tech support.
You want your bootloader unlocked? Get super friendly with a Google Android engineer, get super smart with Android period, or get a lawyer.
Xda hasn't changed, the mobile market has changed and it is making it harder to feel bad for people that buy subsidized carrier phones and then cry about locked bootloaders
Especially when affordable unlocked devices exist. But hey, screw logic. Let's go harass CSRs like their jobs don't suck enough.
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Them allowing you to run an unlocked device has nothing to do with what they sell. They can't prevent you from using a compatible device if their network supports it and it isn't black listed. That's an FCC rule, plain and simple. Has nothing to do with the bootloader on your device.
XDA hasn't changed, the fact that you think this battle is brand new and we are blazing a trail just shows a short sightedness of the community.
There have been hundreds of petitions created, there have been pushes in various device threads to flood the FCC with requests to elevate the issue. Verizon as well as other carriers have literally had lawsuits levied against them. This has literally been going on for YEARS.
Please tell me after reading all that what calling and wasting the time of tech support is gonna do.
The real funny thing is someone that thinks they can call tech support and simply get your bootloader unlocked. That is hilarious.
Tell me who do you think designed and very likely has the means to unlock the boot loader on your GOOGLE Pixel? Hint, it isn't Verizon.
Verizon didn't develop the patch that blocked the exploit either. So what do you really think Verizon is gonna do to help you by calling tech support.
You want your bootloader unlocked? Get super friendly with a Google Android engineer, get super smart with Android period, or get a lawyer.
Xda hasn't changed, the mobile market has changed and it is making it harder to feel bad for people that buy subsidized carrier phones and then cry about locked bootloaders
Especially when affordable unlocked devices exist. But hey, screw logic. Let's go harass CSRs like their jobs don't suck enough.
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I guess I wasn't being clear enough . All I was trying to understand is why its locked in the first place . My Nexus 6 was never locked by Verizon . What if I paid full price outright for it from Verizon ? Why would they care what I do with the phone once its paid for ? What would be the difference if I bought it from google and put a Verizon sim card in it ? You sound so keen on defending the company and their poor hapless CSR's lol .
I don't care about the petitions or any of what your telling me .
I have no interest in lawsuits , simply finding a means to unlock my bootloader .
I could care less if it was htc that designed the patch , or google or apple.
I'm looking to find a way to make it work because it's something to do .
It's about unlocking it , that's it . People on this site used to be about finding solutions to problems , that's all .
Tell me what's wrong with that logic.
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I guess I wasn't being clear enough . All I was trying to understand is why its locked in the first place . My Nexus 6 was never locked by Verizon . What if I paid full price outright for it from Verizon ? Why would they care what I do with the phone once its paid for ? What would be the difference if I bought it from google and put a Verizon sim card in it ? You sound so keen on defending the company and their poor hapless CSR's lol .
I don't care about the petitions or any of what your telling me .
I have no interest in lawsuits , simply finding a means to unlock my bootloader .
I could care less if it was htc that designed the patch , or google or apple.
I'm looking to find a way to make it work because it's something to do .
It's about unlocking it , that's it . People on this site used to be about finding solutions to problems , that's all .
Tell me what's wrong with that logic.
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So you don't care about fighting the market status quo of carriers locking devices which would be a preventative measure to help all mobile device users. Got it...
You want to know why it's locked and how to unlock it, but can't trouble yourself with asking questions to the right people. Got it..
Part of solution finding is narrowing down all the efforts that have failed or won't work for obvious reason, like calling them and saying why is my phone bootloader locked, calling them and asking if they can unlock it. Yet the fact that I don't agree with that means there is inherently something wrong with XDA.
I mention legal means as it relates to their block c spectrum purchase, you don't want to hear that. Again let me say again you have to make comment that XDA has changed. But yet another path ignored.
I get it now so I will agree to disagree, some people want thumbs up and yes men around them instead of well rounded opinions.
I tell you what. If you call and they tell you how to unlock your device I will Google wallet you 50 bucks.
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So you don't care about fighting the market status quo of carriers locking devices which would be a preventative measure to help all mobile device users. Got it...
You want to know why it's locked and how to unlock it, but can't trouble yourself with asking questions to the right people. Got it..
Part of solution finding is narrowing down all the efforts that have failed or won't work for obvious reason, like calling them and saying why is my phone bootloader locked, calling them and asking if they can unlock it. Yet the fact that I don't agree with that means there is inherently something wrong with XDA.
I mention legal means as it relates to their block c spectrum purchase, you don't want to hear that. Again let me say again you have to make comment that XDA has changed. But yet another path ignored.
I get it now so I will agree to disagree, some people want thumbs up and yes men around them instead of well rounded opinions.
I tell you what. If you call and they tell you how to unlock your device I will Google wallet you 50 bucks.
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I'm not interested in fighting the status quo , no .
I'm into actual software development . Hands on stuff . I'm not a politician .
Your trying to give me solutions to a problem that isn't relevant to my immediate problem. I was looking for software related fixes .
Your too hung up on me calling Verizon lol . It was more tongue in cheek than anything , and it was an edit to my post about finding a workaround to the greyed out settings switch . That was all .
So again if you have any advice on how to unlock the bootloader , which is what I'm trying to do , not fight the man , please advise .
That's the spirit of xda , software development , not "fighting market status quo"
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So what did Verizon say?
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stinger4321 said:
So what did Verizon say?
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My understanding is that Verizon suggested multi-pronged approach, including,
1. Call VZW customer service
2. Hire a lawyer
3. Complain to the FCC independent of your attorney
4. Start a thread on xda
4.1. Generically denigrate the quality and state of development on xda
4.2. Misspell "you're" as often as you please
4.3. Kvetch at xda users, including @pcriz
5. "Thank you for calling Verizon"
I believe that buying directly from Google was never mentioned.
Lol®
micmars said:
My understanding is that Verizon suggested multi-pronged approach, including,
1. Call VZW customer service
2. Hire a lawyer
3. Complain to the FCC independent of your attorney
4. Start a thread on xda
4.1. Generically denigrate the quality and state of development on xda
4.2. Misspell "you're" as often as you please
4.3. Kvetch at xda users, including @pcriz
5. "Thank you for calling Verizon"
I believe that buying directly from Google was never mentioned.
Lol®
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Lol
micmars said:
My understanding is that Verizon suggested multi-pronged approach, including,
1. Call VZW customer service
2. Hire a lawyer
3. Complain to the FCC independent of your attorney
4. Start a thread on xda
4.1. Generically denigrate the quality and state of development on xda
4.2. Misspell "you're" as often as you please
4.3. Kvetch at xda users, including @pcriz
5. "Thank you for calling Verizon"
I believe that buying directly from Google was never mentioned.
Lol®
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Lol.. i figured he hadn't called yet.. just liked blowing smoke in here...But I did unlock my bootloader.... Sold it on swappa... Now waiting on pixel prices to drop or waiting for pixel 2.. meantime rocking my nexus 6 which has more support then the pixel...
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I've called Verizon on the locked bootloader issue when I was stuck on O beta and trying to downgrade. I first called Google because I unenrolled the beta and never got the OTA to go back to 7.1.2. They told me to flash the image but I told them I couldn't since the bl is locked. The rep told me to call VZW to have them unlock it so I called them and the VZW rep was all "wut, we don't fool around with OS, call Google and tell them to unlock it." I called Google and was told they couldn't unlock it. I seriously miss root.