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camera comparison, discussion

Hey guys,
This thread should be for comparison and discussion about our cam from kenzo and cams from other devices. As our sensor is industry's first 1.0micron-pixel-based 16 megapixel (Mp) CMOS image sensor, it would be very interesting to compare the real world potential and quality of our cam. Also it would be interesting, if the cam takes better pictures with less mp. As I only own a nexus 4 and a rn3pro I can't make a comparison between this to, because the nexus 4 is like nearly 4 years old .
Please only post pictures in full resolution and without any filters! Also for comparison it would be helpful to make the exact same picutures with the same focus point etc.

All my phones have a bad cam^^ Does someone have the kenzo and another phone with a nice cam? Especially in low light conditions the difference between the cams should be bigger than with good light conditions.

Camera is quite good for me i have the omida sensors but the must is the hdr algorithm included in snapdragon camera, it ligntens everything without burning any detail

Stock camera:
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is the camera worse on any of non miui roms like cm13, aosp, aokp etc? With other phones I've used the custom roms usually had much worse cameras

pyro224 said:
is the camera worse on any of non miui roms like cm13, aosp, aokp etc? With other phones I've used the custom roms usually had much worse cameras
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Custom rom will not give quality as miui

Xiaomi Mi 5S Plus - 6GB RAM, Triple Cameras

Hello! Xiaomi Mi5s Plus was launched recently and here are the features: 5.7-inch FHD Screen, Snapdragon 821 CPU, 6GB RAM, and Triple cameras with two rear cameras (source: http://www.chinaphonereview.com/xiaomi-mi5s-plus).
The dual rear cameras is a unique characteristic in which it features a 13MP colored camera and a 13MP black & white camera. I'm not sure how this would translate. But I'm certain the 6GB RAM and Snapdragon 821 processor would definitely provide an excellent performance.
Any thoughts on this smartphone?

If a decent developer community forms and this gets the ability to work on Verizon then I'm sold. But I have to hold out hopes that the Mi5 progress keeps advancing and can easily translate to this device.

toffzter said:
Hello! Xiaomi Mi5s Plus was launched recently and here are the features: 5.7-inch FHD Screen, Snapdragon 821 CPU, 6GB RAM, and Triple cameras with two rear cameras (source: http://www.chinaphonereview.com/xiaomi-mi5s-plus).
The dual rear cameras is a unique characteristic in which it features a 13MP colored camera and a 13MP black & white camera. I'm not sure how this would translate. But I'm certain the 6GB RAM and Snapdragon 821 processor would definitely provide an excellent performance.
Any thoughts on this smartphone?
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Be careful, the mi5s plus cameras are old sony imx258 and not the new imx378 on the mi5s. Also the mi5s plus lacks of ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.

jlmcr87 said:
Be careful, the mi5s plus cameras are old sony imx258 and not the new imx378 on the mi5s. Also the mi5s plus lacks of ultrasonic fingerprint sensor.
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Yah, they gimped the plus so much.. if you like larger phones, neither are good buys. If the plus had 2 x imx378 and ultrasonic, best phone in the world easily, by hardware.
The pixel phones use the imx378, I believe, and the pixel is rated best camera phone by DxO (take with grain of salt as they're apparently biased), but it still shows the prowess of the imx378.

Would the dual rear cameras make any difference in terms of picture quality? How can the additional black & white camera help?

Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.

hkd said:
Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.
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No way to tune camera shots focus after the take like on the Redmi Pro?
I so much want this feature!

strifej said:
Yah, they gimped the plus so much.. if you like larger phones, neither are good buys. If the plus had 2 x imx378 and ultrasonic, best phone in the world easily, by hardware.
The pixel phones use the imx378, I believe, and the pixel is rated best camera phone by DxO (take with grain of salt as they're apparently biased), but it still shows the prowess of the imx378.
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Well, sadly enough that the imx378's sensor is large and I assumed that is why the dual camera setup with that sensor is not achievable.
Same goes to OIS, most probably due to sensor size issues. (Pixel phones have no OIS thou)
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hkd said:
Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.
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Where did you ordered from?
Well, just wait for developers to get their hands on the device~
Device is just too new

hkd said:
Just got this phone today.
It is amazing fast, super high performance.
With default setup, it can have 4G RAM free
However, it only have chinese stock rom at this moment.
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So how is your experience with Xiaomi Mi5s?

toffzter said:
Would the dual rear cameras make any difference in terms of picture quality? How can the additional black & white camera help?
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From what I've read, but I'm not an expert, the B&W camera should be capable of capturing more light.
So combining images from both cameras it should capture better pictures on low light conditions.

gnazio said:
From what I've read, but I'm not an expert, the B&W camera should be capable of capturing more light.
So combining images from both cameras it should capture better pictures on low light conditions.
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So I guess it will result to much clearer pictures and lesser noise compared to the single color camera. That's nice. :good:

EMJI79 said:
No way to tune camera shots focus after the take like on the Redmi Pro?
I so much want this feature!
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Now it can do like Redmi Pro with global dev rom 6.12.8 and FreeDcam application can turn on EIS

Xziting said:
Now it can do like Redmi Pro with global dev rom 6.12.8 and FreeDcam application can turn on EIS
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You mean it can do bokeh effect? [emoji3]

EMJI79 said:
You mean it can do bokeh effect? [emoji3]
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Yep it can do bokeh effect

Wow great! [emoji1]
I saw a screenshot on eu.miui.
Would have bought it if it were sold with that when it came out. Now I have bought a Sony. Probably will wait for the Mi Note Pro 2.

Maybe some would want to post photo samples​ with the latest ROM?

EMJI79 said:
Maybe some would want to post photo samples​ with the latest ROM?
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I have it and for me there's 2 things that I don't like. MIUI 8 , I'm a stock Android guy I hope somebody bring cm or something like this to this mobile and the other thing it's the camera, it's a camera for me from the beginning of 2015, that perform well in optimal light conditions and in low light even with the stereo option it's not very well.
Conclusion, I'm not a photo guy so there's no problem but I can't support miui even that it runs fast in this mobile. So until we have some development to this mobile I'm going to stay whit my axon 7.
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Maybe some would want to post photo samples​ with the latest ROM?
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Optimal light conditions interior and low light outside
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Don't you like taking photos during daylight?

Yes I do , but almost every 2105/2016 phone does nice or ok photos in daylight.
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Planning to switch from N5X to Mi A1, good choice?

I'm planning to buy Mi A1 in February. Since A1 is Snapdragon powered device in theory it's capable of SD goodies. It has slightly higher octa-core CPU(5X has hexa-core) and GPU clock speed, expandable storage and also have 4 GB of RAM unlike 5X that has 2 GB. I think it will be highly noticable in multitasking. Is there a huge deference (if any) between disabled and forced enabled Camera2API in photos? I'm worried because of it. Enabling Camera2API allows us to use Google camera from what I've heard.
Can someone post photos in different environments to let me compare them with my 5X, that would be grateful.
Hope Xiaomi release source code for this device before February, custom ROMs are "kill features for me".
If it's a bad choice tell me why.

not a major upgrade since 5x still has a support by google, camera is better, community is better since it's google,
Mi A1 released months ago but there is no source, You can't tell if this phone is interested from developers. The safe bet is to wait for a couple more weeks, maybe a month but this is just my opinion. You still can't go wrong to buy this phone. On 11.11 aliexpress will sell this phone for $184 + free shipping. this is insane price.

There's no noticeable difference in 6 or 8 cores, but difference between 2 and 4 GB of RAM is pretty huge.
I made 2 photos, one with stock Camera app(using HDR) and Google Camera app(using HDR+), I tried to make 2 exact same photos. First one is using Google Camera, second one is using stock Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VVaKFtKlq2ZNOtbz2
Also, kernel sources will be definitely released to public, question is when.

Compare with N5x, camera mia1 damn suck :v

matcho13579 said:
There's no noticeable difference in 6 or 8 cores, but difference between 2 and 4 GB of RAM is pretty huge.
I made 2 photos, one with stock Camera app(using HDR) and Google Camera app(using HDR+), I tried to make 2 exact same photos. First one is using Google Camera, second one is using stock Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/VVaKFtKlq2ZNOtbz2
Also, kernel sources will be definitely released to public, question is when.
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Thanks but can you take photos other than your leg lol. Does ZSL work? As in HDR+ works without loading spinner. I would super appreciate it if you can show us some night shots with HDR+

I've just migrated from N5X to A1 and so far I'm impressed. I was afraid of slightly bigger screen, but got used to it after few hours and now 5.2" feels "small" For me the main differences:
1. 4GB RAM, multitasking is working as expected, no more unfinished HDR photos, no more launcher crashes, ..
2. CPU is much more responsive, doesn't overheat and throttle. I wasn't able to keep up big cores of N5X on long enough, they were shut down very often to keep the temeperature down.
3. A1 is faster overal, app installations took half the time of N5X
4. Stock A1 photos in low light are not very impressive. However simple mod brings gcam (so far I like the simplest version the most) with its HDR+ which does pretty much the same job as on N5X with faster processing.
5. I am not interested in custom ROMs, but A1 is limited at this for the time being
6. A1 has shameful headphones hissing noise, especially with sensitive low impedance headphones. To be fair, N5X has similar issue, however solved easily with custom kernel and lowering the headphone gain. Once Xiaomi releases kernel sources, I expect this issue to be solved in the same way too.
7. Build quality is better on A1, however it is bigger and heavier phone. Better feeling, but a bit less pocket friendly..
8. ZSL HDR works, but with same mixed results as on N5X - bunch of my test photos were blurred. Never had this issue with forced HDR mode, so I'm using it exclusively. Spinner doesn't bother me, at least I know I should keep phone steady
9. A/B partitioning is super nice for seamless updates, but I experienced some issues with Magisk. After failed installation of some modules, Magisk image probably got corrupted and I had to remove it completely and install it again without such modules. Took a bit of trial and error, but I have fully systemless rooted and modded (build.prop tweaks) phone now.
10. Oreo vs Nougat - I miss only really fast boot times and easy use of substratum. Otherwise no big loss in my eyes.
11. attached crops of test comparison photos (Stock HDR enhanced N5X vs. Gcam HDR enhanced A1). Please note that I was able to achieve sharper results with A1, but this is the only photo which I have taken with N5X as well. And there are no legs

TehGooner said:
Thanks but can you take photos other than your leg lol. Does ZSL work? As in HDR+ works without loading spinner. I would super appreciate it if you can show us some night shots with HDR+
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I was in the work, so that was the most I could do at that moment xD But you can see pretty big difference between them.
I will make 2 more photos when it's evening here and will post it.

I switched to A1 from op3. Obviously it was a forced switch as there was multiple failure in op3.
Both the phones have their own upper hands and the most I miss from op3 is the super amoled screen. Low light camera in op3 was better but then A1 has portrait mode. Looks wise A1 is not less than op3. As of now, the phone doesn't feel slower to me in daily use as compared to op3.

@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3

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@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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Damn it's really good.

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@TehGooner
Try to guess which photo is taken with Google Camera app: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKD0zxZZcdPLu2WJ3
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This makes me feel good about buying A1
Can't wait to get Gcam, waiting for Oreo first before rooting.
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I switched, and the phone is better daily driver. No lags or overheating, no more app closing because of memory running out. Does not have nfc but used only once on my Nexus. Mi remote is a cool feature though. Portrait shots are really good in daylight, and modded Google camera works great. What I don't like is that the phone should have launched with Oreo out of the box, or it should have got Oreo by now. There are no cool features like night light and life to check gestures, no double tap to check notification (this feature is present in redmi note 4, which has similar hardware). Android one seems more like a marketing strategy now.

Coming from a Nexus 5X, Mi A1 really is an upgrade. It's like having a more premium phone than Pixel devices since the device feels like an iPhone but with stock android. 4GB ram and SD625-14nm.

Oneplus camera on the Le Pro 3 x720?

I am planning to buy the Le Pro 3 x720 and customise it to have a oneplus 3 experience.
The LEx720 and OP3 has the same camera sensor and almost same processor (snapdragon 821 for LEx720 & snapdragon 820 for OP3)
kimovilDOTcom/en/compare/leeco-le-pro-3-6gb-64gb,oneplus-3-6gb-64gb-cn
Yet the x720 camera reviews are less positive in comparison to the OP3. I guess its the processing.
1. So has someone ever tried the Oneplus camera on the LEx720?
apkmirrorDOTcom/apk/oneplus-ltd/oneplus-camera/
2. Is it possible to have some samples comparison please, especially against the google camera?
My alternative choice would be the Meizu M6 Note which boasts the same camera as the HTC U11 and it's working pretty great with its Arcsoft algorithm.
3. Based solely on camera, can the LEx720 deliver a better image quality than the Meizu M6 Note?
I would really appreciate your views.
Thank you all in advance.

I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.

sk8223 said:
I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.

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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
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Is that so? Sorry, I didn't know that. I thought it strange that the camera would work on ROMs installed on some devices but not others.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Yeah, Gcam changed everything. Now phones with the worst sensors get decent shots, even at night.

Redmi K30 Pro Zoom achieve 120 on dxomark

Finally, Dxomark have a full review about us K30 Pro /Zoom. Yes, Zoom is not exactly the same as K30 Pro/Poco F2 Pro, but almost the same (changing telephoto with macro and OIS)
https://www.dxomark.com/xiaomi-redmi-k30-pro-zoom-edition-camera-review/
No bad after all.
I agree that the ultra angle is the weakest point and that in night mode it could be squeezed a little more. Even so, it is surprising that if it were valued only in a still image, it could possibly be in the top 5.
I think that there is still room to earn the odd extra point with future updates, there are defects that are solvable by software, such as smoothing and loss of texture on some occasions, or even slightly improve the automatic parameters for the ultra-wide angle
In the video section the F2 Pro should lose some point due to the lack of OIS, but in its favor it must be said that EIS does an exceptional job
What do you think?

Yeah that was nice news but would be nice to know how this Poco F2 Pro will get scores

I've been using K30 Pro Zoom Edition and One Plus 8 Pro what i can say is DONT TRUST DXOMARK ?

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Yeah that was nice news but would be nice to know how this Poco F2 Pro will get scores
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Similar. Poco lack of Tele lens but Macro lens is almost the best in his class. OIS could make some point on video, not to much. So final score should be very similar.
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I've been using K30 Pro Zoom Edition and One Plus 8 Pro what i can say is DONT TRUST DXOMARK ?
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My brother have a OP8 Pro, and honestly, my Poco make in general better shots and videos (in Stock camera), with GCam are a lot of better (I personally like the more "sharp" of the GCam, although I admit that this is more a matter of what one likes)
I have a good friend who always repeats the same thing. The camera of course matters, as does the software. But more than 50% is still the one behind the camera. Automatic modes are good for taking quick photos and not worrying, But if you want an exceptional result, manual mode is a must to have, and of course knowing what you are doing.

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Similar. Poco lack of Tele lens but Macro lens is almost the best in his class. OIS could make some point on video, not to much. So final score should be very similar.
My brother have a OP8 Pro, and honestly, my Poco make in general better shots and videos (in Stock camera), with GCam are a lot of better (I personally like the more "sharp" of the GCam, although I admit that this is more a matter of what one likes)
I have a good friend who always repeats the same thing. The camera of course matters, as does the software. But more than 50% is still the one behind the camera. Automatic modes are good for taking quick photos and not worrying, But if you want an exceptional result, manual mode is a must to have, and of course knowing what you are doing.
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Ofc it matters who is behind cam but my opinion is that software is most important in cameras. Google is good for that. You can put what camera sensors you want and what photographer to use it but if software is ****, results are ****. And nowadays its very often that normal users are testing the software but i must say that if you clean lens and its sunny day, and you take photo with poco f2 pro, you get very sharp results. but let see what gcam brings in future..
EDIT: stock cam i mean, please take shots and compare it. Gcam is not better? zoom and look details..

Brighter is stock cam and darker is gcam latest urnyx.

Gcam on K30 Ultra?
ok, so K30 Pro Zoom scored high, has OIS, and has the 865 which means it should be able to use Gcam if I can source the Zoom version of the phone? But the K30 Ultra has Mediatek 1000, which means no Gcam right?

Vihru said:
Brighter is stock cam and darker is gcam latest urnyx.
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IMHO, it seems that stock camera is a bit bluffed by the darker zones of the centre, while the Gcam seems more indifferent to that zones.
This can happen also on SLR cams.

Urnyx is now making a crowd funding to get a poco F2 and improve his Gcam.

Theliels said:
Similar. Poco lack of Tele lens but Macro lens is almost the best in his class. OIS could make some point on video, not to much. So final score should be very similar.
My brother have a OP8 Pro, and honestly, my Poco make in general better shots and videos (in Stock camera), with GCam are a lot of better (I personally like the more "sharp" of the GCam, although I admit that this is more a matter of what one likes)
I have a good friend who always repeats the same thing. The camera of course matters, as does the software. But more than 50% is still the one behind the camera. Automatic modes are good for taking quick photos and not worrying, But if you want an exceptional result, manual mode is a must to have, and of course knowing what you are doing.
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OIS can make a huge difference in photo, specially in low light.
IMO the F2 Pro wouldn't be close to the K30 Pro Zoom DXOMark rate

elmonch said:
OIS can make a huge difference in photo, specially in low light.
IMO the F2 Pro wouldn't be close to the K30 Pro Zoom DXOMark rate
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I love Nightshots, and i have a huge gallery with only night/Sky shots. I assure you that it has nothing to envy to the "premium" range terminals. In fact, for me, in night photography (on this device) there is only one small problem, and that is that the glass that protects the lenses is very prone to causing flares when you have a couple of bright light sources and you place one of them in the center. Luckily it can be easily avoided the most time.
As a note, the vast majority of my night photos are handheld, using only the tripod with 2+ seg exposures, generally if I want to take astronomical, or more artistic photos in quiet environments

This doesn't mean much. The camera optimization is different amongst the Mi series, the Redmi series and the Poco series. It seems like the Redmi team did a good job on optimizing the camera on the Redmi K30 Pro Zoom, unlike the Poco team on the Poco F2 Pro.