At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Moto X4's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
With flash it's 5 stars. Works pretty good without. Works as good as my S8.
I took some test shots on my phone today, using 3 different camera apps:
- The Stock Moto Camera
- The Stock Google Camera from the Play Store
- Modified Google Camera found Here. MGCB_7.0H_C2API_Full_PXL2_v.1.4_60FPS_noburst_v3
I tested in a large room with the lights off, and sunlight coming in. There are lots of shadows and dark areas, as well as very bright spots. I tested with HDR Off, HDR On, and HDR Auto (if applicable). I also threw in a wide angle, for comparison. (spoiler: Ew).
Some things that surprised me, in no particular order:
- The Stock Moto HDR actually did a decent job at brightening up the dark areas, and giving the shadows a bit of color. Not a ton of extra noise, either. However, the window was still washed out.
- Stock Google Cam didn't offer anything the others didn't, and HDR On/Off didn't seem to do a thing.
- Modified Google Cam definitely helped with the bright spots, as those are the only 2 pictures that you could see out the window, but it also introduced a LOT of noise in the shadows and dark areas. This is a known side effect of HDR in low-light, as I saw the same effect on my 5x when using HDR+ in low light.
I may try a different Modified Gcam, and try to input the settings manually. Hopefully that will result in better pics, as otherwise the Stock Moto camera seems to be our best bet for now.
The stock camera app in normal picture mode is not using good ISO/shutter speed combinations in low light at all. Take some and check the info on your images. It always goes for high ISO and faster shutter speed. It stops on 1/15 A LOT, and seems to adjust ISO from there. Switch to Professional Mode and force a slower shutter speed, lower ISO and now they look much better. HDR on this app is garbage with those auto focus settings too. It works much better with higher quality images with less noise, which the auto focus is incapable of providing in any low light situations.
I did some more tests with the v4.0 AIO modified Gcam, and there wasn't a difference.
I went back to the v1.4, and took some pics at home. These were very low-light, with candles the only light source in the room. I noticed similar trends:
Stock Cam is VERY blochy when you zoom in.
Stock HDR seems to brighten the whole image, but isn't very, you know, dynamic.
Stock Cam is way less noisy/blochy when you zoom in. It preserves much more detail.
Modified Gcam using HDR+ does a MUCH better job handling the candle light in the pic, as the light source isn't overexposed.
I may do some 100% crops and share them tomorrow, but Stranger Things 2 with the wife is more important atm. #sorrynotsorry.
crazyates said:
I did some more tests with the v4.0 AIO modified Gcam, and there wasn't a difference.
I went back to the v1.4, and took some pics at home. These were very low-light, with candles the only light source in the room. I noticed similar trends:
Stock Cam is VERY blochy when you zoom in.
Stock HDR seems to brighten the whole image, but isn't very, you know, dynamic.
Stock Cam is way less noisy/blochy when you zoom in. It preserves much more detail.
Modified Gcam using HDR+ does a MUCH better job handling the candle light in the pic, as the light source isn't overexposed.
I may do some 100% crops and share them tomorrow, but Stranger Things 2 with the wife is more important atm. #sorrynotsorry.
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I'm using the manual Google APK here with HDR+ and it's also using very high ISOs, even in pretty good light. I have a lamp behind me, lights on in the room and both apps are using an ISO2400. If I manually set the ISO to 1200 or lower, I can still take a good photo by manually adjusting the shutter speed to 1/15, 1/10, or even 1/8 (anything lower and it's blurred). This HW should be capable of blazing fast auto focus so there is zero reason it's setting the ISOs so high. High ISO = more noise, less detail. Fast auto focus should mean that lowering the ISO in low light will focus better, faster, with less blur from the slower shutter speed. Something ain't right here.
HDR+ will clean up the noise from the high ISO setting some.
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I'm using the manual Google APK here with HDR+ and it's also using very high ISOs, even in pretty good light. I have a lamp behind me, lights on in the room and both apps are using an ISO2400. If I manually set the ISO to 1200 or lower, I can still take a good photo by manually adjusting the shutter speed to 1/15, 1/10, or even 1/8 (anything lower and it's blurred). This HW should be capable of blazing fast auto focus so there is zero reason it's setting the ISOs so high. High ISO = more noise, less detail. Fast auto focus should mean that lowering the ISO in low light will focus better, faster, with less blur from the slower shutter speed. Something ain't right here.
HDR+ will clean up the noise from the high ISO setting some.
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That's odd. Is this an issue you've been experiencing on the optimum configs (manual version) or with both modded apps?
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Yeah, you're right on this. I did some more test last night, and the most consistent seems to be the modified Gcam HDR+. It preserves more detail while keeping the noise down.
Basically, I feel like these are all just playing around with settings and apks that are meant for other phones. I know the Gcam software can work wonders, and I know the sensor/ISP/DSP/CPU can support more than what the stock Moto Cam is doing, but getting a modded Gcam apk that's meant for out phones would be fantastic. Unfortunately, it'll take someone smarter than me to piece it all together.
Coming from a much older S3, the moto x4 camera is WAY ahead.
I have a small laser projector that only outputs 63 lumens.
The S3 camera could never get a photo on the highest setting.
The x4 camera does it easily.
Apples and Oranges possibly, but the camera is not nearly as "bad" as some
reviews stated.
That's Nobody said:
With flash it's 5 stars. Works pretty good without. Works as good as my S8.
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Is it really? I'm choosing between the S7 and the X4, the camera being the only thing making me lean towards the Galaxy.
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Is it really? I'm choosing between the S7 and the X4, the camera being the only thing making me lean towards the Galaxy.
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I had an S7 for work until recently. Hated it. Battery life is worse than X4, too much bloatware, and the fingerprint sensor on it suuuuucked. Rear camera was about the same as X4 but front was inferior. No contest. Get the X4.
Please think twice believing reviewers.
Most of them hated Moto X4's camera coz it has a sluggish and mediocre quality when it comes to depth (portrait mode).
BUT I can assure you that my Moto X4 performs on par with HTC 10 when it comes to ALL lighting conditions.
I took photos side by side and the quality is the same. I even found that the Moto X4 does NOT need to auto trigger HDR in the lowlight pic I took (HTC did auto trigger HDR).
Both HTC 10 and Moto X4 have minimal noise and really looks almost the same given that they are using a different ISP (SD 820 vs SD 630).
I'll try to upload both pics so you can check them as well.
Quick one from today.
The Galaxy S7 will definitely has a better camera quality BUT the X4 also has a pretty good camera so you won't get disappointed.
BUT I'd rather choose Moto X4 since it is a new device while S7 is already almost 2 generations older (S9 is coming).
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Quick one from today.
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Is this using the stock camera app?
varunbala said:
Is this using the stock camera app?
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Yes.
Four low light examples. They were taken in hostile lightning codtions by Gcam HDR+. No tripod. The quality and the dynamic range is at the same level as Nexus 5x, Pixel 1.
Can you share a gCam version that you use. And setting ...I try few, but for me quality of stock camera photos is better. Thx.
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Can you share a gCam version that you use. And setting ...I try few, but for me quality of stock camera photos is better. Thx.
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GCam5.1.018-Arnova8G2-V1.3-Front-HDR+
Nexus6p, nexus 6p, hdd+ on
tavcsor said:
Four low light examples. They were taken in hostile lightning codtions by Gcam HDR+. No tripod. The quality and the dynamic range is at the same level as Nexus 5x, Pixel 1.
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Does the portrait mode of gcam work?
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So i took a vid with my Z in an indoor enviroment and whilst it does have detail, smoothness it comes at the price of huge noise.
now i know this is a smartphone, but my previous phone, an HTC One S, did excellent shots even in indoor and poor light conditions.
i believe one answer to this might be the fact that HDR is hardcoded in staying on at all times. i believe this messes up with the exposure values and eases noise to make way in the vid.
i tried tinkering with the settings, best i found was to put exposure at -2 and iso at 100/200 but still the noise persisted.
do you have any tips/tricks to improve low light video?
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So i took a vid with my Z in an indoor enviroment and whilst it does have detail, smoothness it comes at the price of huge noise.
now i know this is a smartphone, but my previous phone, an HTC One S, did excellent shots even in indoor and poor light conditions.
i believe one answer to this might be the fact that HDR is hardcoded in staying on at all times. i believe this messes up with the exposure values and eases noise to make way in the vid.
i tried tinkering with the settings, best i found was to put exposure at -2 and iso at 100/200 but still the noise persisted.
do you have any tips/tricks to improve low light video?
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Do you have any proof to show HDR is enabled at all times? I'm finding it a bit hard to believe that HDR which is supposed to get more accurate colour intensities can let noise enter the video. I would say that compression is a more likely culprit than that, given that you tweaked the settings and still got noise. What say you?
Warmo said:
So i took a vid with my Z in an indoor enviroment and whilst it does have detail, smoothness it comes at the price of huge noise.
now i know this is a smartphone, but my previous phone, an HTC One S, did excellent shots even in indoor and poor light conditions.
i believe one answer to this might be the fact that HDR is hardcoded in staying on at all times. i believe this messes up with the exposure values and eases noise to make way in the vid.
i tried tinkering with the settings, best i found was to put exposure at -2 and iso at 100/200 but still the noise persisted.
do you have any tips/tricks to improve low light video?
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I disagree with HDR being always on. I tested it with similar condition HDR off and on. HDR which looks like more exposure and is tweaked for low light videos. However the Noise is due to HDR failing to focus faster. In simple words HDR takes time to focus but give better results if your hand is firm and the video is slow mo. however you can uncheck HDR and change other settings like ISO and exposure you can get better results. (Video)
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I disagree with HDR being always on. I tested it with similar condition HDR off and on. HDR which looks like more exposure and is tweaked for low light videos. However the Noise is due to HDR failing to focus faster. In simple words HDR takes time to focus but give better results if your hand is firm and the video is slow mo. however you can uncheck HDR and change other settings like ISO and exposure you can get better results. (Video)
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"The new Sony Xperia Z flagship boasts a feature no other phone can brag with, and it is High Dynamic Range capture, but not only for still photography, but in videos as well.
The option is hardwired with the new Exmor RS sensor of Sony."
that last phrase is not exactly absolutely clear, but i assume that if it says "hardwired" it means "hardcoded" so to speak, and usually hardcoded means that it cannot be modified in anyway.
also, everytime i shoot a video i get the HDR tag right next to the timer on bottom-left side of the screen. and that little HDR tag remains even if i turn off the HDR function when in Photo mode.
i might be wrong of course and HDR can be disabled.
If HDR can be disabled please tell me how! I would really appreciate it!
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I disagree with HDR being always on. I tested it with similar condition HDR off and on. HDR which looks like more exposure and is tweaked for low light videos. However the Noise is due to HDR failing to focus faster. In simple words HDR takes time to focus but give better results if your hand is firm and the video is slow mo. however you can uncheck HDR and change other settings like ISO and exposure you can get better results. (Video)
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It's simple. Open camera, video camera, hdr off, you can clearly make out that hdr is off as it reduces the color boost and exposure.
Sent from my C6502 using xda app-developers app
All credits goes to B-S-G
His original thread
and Thanks to XDA Headlines!
Link for GC
U11 Camera for still photos is (probably?) the best in class right now, but not without flaw that is overexposure.
As soon as the Modded HDR+ GC has become available I have decided to compare some shots with Stock camera w/HDR and Google Camera w/HDR+ enabled.
Here are some comparisons and my opinions.
Lowlight
http://imgur.com/2ziArQB
With Google Cam overexposure and blown out highlights are no longer an issue. However, the details in the shadow area of the low light image will get smudged out thanks to the noise reduction and/or become too dark.
on Stock HTC Sharpening is harsher than GC when 100% zoomed in but not as much as Sammy. The color on stock app is much more vibrant as well, but that comes with noisy image.
As a photographer I'd prefer lower noise image, but for smartphone camera that is not a very important thing comparing to, say, details in the dark area.
Overall Exposure and Details
http://imgur.com/Rqjk2hL
GC did a great job keeping all the details in highlight areas while stock app blown them to bits.
Colors, yet again HTC stock is punchy and vibrant on shadow areas while GC is a tad bit duller.
Close up
http://imgur.com/D7HEkbR
HTC, as usual, produce much more vibrant colors and more sharpened image while highlight areas are blown out.
It all comes down to your taste, people who like "Natural" tone will prefer GC while snap and go type better stick to HTCs'.
for me I prefer GC by the day and HTC stock by night as GC will give more room in image editing.
Basically, short squeeze for stock app, long squeez for Google Cam for me!
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Current working Gcam with Portrait mode
https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/GoogleCamera-Pixel2Mod-Arnova8G2-V5.apk
Preferred Setting
Config for HDR+: Pixel 2017 ZSL HDR+
HDR+ Parameters: Default or higher (not much difference but longer process time)
Final jpg quality HDR+: default(95) or higher, little differences
For me, Google does a better job in low-light, my bathroom.
Clearer and more details, look at the spay can on the right at the back.
But I do like the greens produced by HTC Cam, Google pink/reds are better, all comes down to personal preference.
http://imgur.com/a/l3oTm
Google's HDR+ does great job in extreme HDR situations , but for my eyes HTC's HDR boost does greater job keeping everything sharp , Google just destroyes every detail with noise reduction
Check the link for comparison
https://goo.gl/photos/NYTaPRsEMVoxjoEc8
I know Pixel camera better but I've read all reviews on net and youtube and found that it always got over saturation during at low light or indoor environment like the sample provided from #2 if you view it carefully, you see a yellow cast in the whole photo with Pixel.
Indeed, U11 offers a natural tone overall, not Pixel in my opinions though HTC color might be a bit vibrant. If Pixel white balance isn't going wrong, yes it always perform better result. Good to know there is a modded google HDR+ now, donno if the yellow tone problem fixed or not.
U11 still got some advantages like OIS and dual pixel focus which is important to me too. Wish we'll have modded U11 camera in the future.
EDIT:
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-hdr-ported/
It's glad that we can use Pixel HDR+ now on all SD820/821/835 devices without root. It's Google camera 4.4 apk and I've installed it on my U11(no root atm) and it works both HDR+ photo and 4K recording, no crash no FC. So if you prefer the style on Google HDR+ this is your way to go together with the benefit of OIS and dual pixel focus over Pixel phone.
Will OIS and pixel focus work on the google camera?
sallam5010 said:
Google's HDR+ does great job in extreme HDR situations , but for my eyes HTC's HDR boost does greater job keeping everything sharp , Google just destroyes every detail with noise reduction
Check the link for comparison
https://goo.gl/photos/NYTaPRsEMVoxjoEc8
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In some way i agree with u,but i am also using g cam on htc 10 ane phone must be still while taking photo,i see on ur picture some blurriness like when phone is movng wjen taking photo.
Boskoel03 said:
In some way i agree with u,but i am also using g cam on htc 10 ane phone must be still while taking photo,i see on ur picture some blurriness like when phone is movng wjen taking photo.
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Some samples,i am not professional photographer but u can see for ur self,more lighter photo is htc stock camera,other G cam
Edit: focus is left oriented...
No edit,no flash,pure hdr..
zeke125 said:
Will OIS and pixel focus work on the google camera?
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OIS does work and Pixel focus I assume you mean the "lens blur" function? if so, it also works.
The only thing that is not working in GC is slow motion.
Boskoel03 said:
In some way i agree with u,but i am also using g cam on htc 10 ane phone must be still while taking photo,i see on ur picture some blurriness like when phone is movng wjen taking photo.
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Hmm I was really steady , I have very steady hands and I can take 1s shutter , and I really tried it multiple times to make sure if it's really does reduce the noise and smudge the details or if it's just one bad shot , but actually all of them are the same
I really like it in extreme HDR situations though , so if HTC's upcoming camera update didn't boost the camera even more then maybe I will use gcam for really extreme HDR situations
I have tried it in broad day light and the dynamic range is really improved.
I will try it tonight but if it fixes the overexposure, it will really be the ultimate camera phone.
stock app
Pixel app
Edit : Now tried in the night, the difference is even greater. With the HTC U11 camera app, all the details are burnt near light sources, while it is not the case with the Pixel camera app.
stock app
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For me it is clear, the Pixel app will replace the stock app for my pictures. The HTC U11 camera module with the Google Pixel software, I think we have the best possible camera on a phone.
Stock camera is much better in every scenario...
foxy4270 said:
Stock camera is much better in every scenario...
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I strongly disagree.
Look at this window which is aproximately 150 meters far from me. With the Pixel app, I can clearly see he is watching TV. I am impressed. With the stock app, I see... nothing.
And with the Pixel, I don't find any detail loss.
stock app
HDR+ app
For me stock camera is better on daylight situations.
For nightshots GC wins.
So i will use them both.
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For me stock camera is better on daylight situations.
For nightshots GC wins.
So i will use them both.
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Again, I disagree, look at these crops in daylight (they are not mine but from the original poster of this thread). A lot of data are lost with the stock app due to the lower dynamic range. The difference is huge.
Stock
HDR+
For me, the HDR+ app wins in every situations.
Indoor night time
Gcam color rendering really off..
First one gcam
2ND stock
Hdr + is a disaster....worst camera ever
Google hdr +
google by foxy4270, on Flickr
Stock hdr
stock by foxy4270, on Flickr
foxy4270 said:
Hdr + is a disaster....worst camera ever
Google hdr +
google by foxy4270, on Flickr
Stock hdr
google by foxy4270, on Flickr
Stock hdr
stock by foxy4270, on Flickr
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I think u are wrong,bit i am using it on 10 and can not be sure if u are on 11,but in ur post thoose two pictures are the same,and i know difference between g cam hdr+ and stock one,but again on htc 10,that is reason i am not sure for 11 but when something is good it's good,g cam is good for good light conditions,and in low light must bee some wb manually settings...
Sorry,in a hurry ,only light is different on ur pictures,when I compare that red sigh will be more red with g cam i am sure....
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I think u are wrong,bit i am using it on 10 and can not be sure if u are on 11,but in ur post thoose two pictures are the same,and i know difference between g cam hdr+ and stock one,but again on htc 10,that is reason i am not sure for 11 but when something is good it's good,g cam is good for good light conditions,and in low light must bee some wb manually settings...
Sorry,in a hurry ,only light is different on ur pictures,when I compare that red sigh will be more red with g cam i am sure....
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this is an htc u11 forum
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Clear case...
To me both apps got pros and cons. Stock cam tend to over exposure and in the opposite way google cam like to under exposure.
It really depends the atmosphere you're shooting and maybe your matter of personal preferences. In general, I like stock a bit over exposure to make the photo brighter except in some cases the high light area got washed out. Noise reduction in google camera is better, stock cam got many noise.
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Xiaomi Poco F1 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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I find the front cam can't even handle small shakes.. I need to be very careful to take a selfie. Does anyone else face this? I'm not sure if it's only my device.
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I find the front cam can't even handle small shakes.. I need to be very careful to take a selfie. Does anyone else face this? I'm not sure if it's only my device.
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Same here, you have to keep the device very still while taking pic..no EIS and OIS.. have to live with it... But camera quality is good..
Vino Y said:
Same here, you have to keep the device very still while taking pic..no EIS and OIS.. have to live with it... But camera quality is good..
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Well, not really . My 6p nor my Zenfone max pro m1 had ois or eis. Both took unshaken selfies. I also checked with few others using Poco and they can't find any such issue. For me the problem is when we use volume rocker, we tend to push the phone a bit. And that shakes. I always use volume rocker and asked other Poco owners to do the same and their selfies are not shaken. I think it could be individual device's fault.
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Well, not really . My 6p nor my Zenfone max pro m1 had ois or eis. Both took unshaken selfies. I also checked with few others using Poco and they can't find any such issue. For me the problem is when we use volume rocker, we tend to push the phone a bit. And that shakes. I always use volume rocker and asked other Poco owners to do the same and their selfies are not shaken. I think it could be individual device's fault.
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No such problem in my phone, captures stunning selfies and rear snaps without any trouble. You might have tremors.
anyone try to take a photo of the imei at the back of box, cant seem to focus well
I bought POCO F1 during 1st flash SALE. I'm not satisfied with the camera performance especially the edge detection is very poor during portrait mode..
Even though the reviewer are showing good portrait mode with better edge detection...
Can anyone help me with the settings or is there anyone else who is facing the same issue.?
Please suggest whether or not i should replace my phone..??
I agree about the camera issue with slight shakes, the default camera app can't handle it well.
Bought it in 2nd flash sale. Camera quality is below par (rear camera). Focusing issues. My 1 year old lg g6 is way better. Im not talking about OIS. But taking still pictures with default settings.
Has anyone tried different camera app?
Does any one face the issue that in Portrait mode (rear camera) the faces are too beautified and they lack details.. i mean no sharpness.
Any one knows how to solve?
ravi776 said:
Does any one face the issue that in Portrait mode (rear camera) the faces are too beautified and they lack details.. i mean no sharpness.
Any one knows how to solve?
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Yes bro same issue..Don't know how to correct it..replacing my order
So far so good, if you wan't not shaky photos, don't use volumen up or finger print, try to stay steady, don't be afraid to take more photos of same subject and delete bad ones.
So here we go:
Low light photos:
https://flic.kr/p/287ss2b
https://flic.kr/p/287srZY
https://flic.kr/p/M7gV4B
In door light photos:
https://flic.kr/p/2aMVQWC
https://flic.kr/p/29LPXVL
https://flic.kr/p/286sh6q
https://flic.kr/p/286sh7h
Close up photos
https://flic.kr/p/M5XspX
https://flic.kr/p/2866Tdm
https://flic.kr/p/M5Xegc
https://flic.kr/p/29KwmRs
Pet:
https://flic.kr/p/2aQUZc8
https://flic.kr/p/29KwpAA
HDR off
https://flic.kr/p/28679v5
HDR on
https://flic.kr/p/2867a5G
Food:
https://flic.kr/p/NLoJZQ
https://flic.kr/p/29vGxuM
Rest of album with daily uploaded photos:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsms3PM8X
So to conclude, pocophone has decent camera. In good light and in controled light it has good dynamic range, lot of details and focus is fast and accurate. In low light, noise reduction reduces amount of details, and photos can be blury due to longer exposure and lack of ois.
Solution?
GCAM
It is in earley stages of porting for poco, so give it few weeks, but already it gives better results in low light than stock camera. Best thing about it is that you don't need to root or flash anything, just install it and that is it.
Oneplus 3 with Gcam takes 12MP photos much better with sizes ranging from 6 MB to 10 MB which is a result of capturing higher details. While the poco stock cam takes 12MP photos with size less than 4MB and portrait photos are less than 1 MB. There is either compression taking place or some aggressive noise suppression that takes away all the details thus resulting in smaller file sizes. This problem exists even with the redmi note 5 with 12MP photos taking up less than 2 MB space. Can somebody else test this with their poco and see if they are able to get a higher file size?
Sandepp said:
Oneplus 3 with Gcam takes 12MP photos much better with sizes ranging from 6 MB to 10 MB which is a result of capturing higher details. While the poco stock cam takes 12MP photos with size less than 4MB and portrait photos are less than 1 MB. There is either compression taking place or some aggressive noise suppression that takes away all the details thus resulting in smaller file sizes. This problem exists even with the redmi note 5 with 12MP photos taking up less than 2 MB space. Can somebody else test this with their poco and see if they are able to get a higher file size?
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From the stock cam, I see reasonable amounts of details in the images and file sizes range from 4-8 MB in varied conditions. I have a protraits that are around 8 MB, perhaps you may want to check the settings if there is something amiss
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From the stock cam, I see reasonable amounts of details in the images and file sizes range from 4-8 MB in varied conditions. I have a protraits that are around 8 MB, perhaps you may want to check the settings if there is something amiss
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Ok so here are my observations. Poco's AI or auto mode uses fast shutter speed and low exposure to reduce blur and compensate for the lack of OIS.This results in loss of details. I see the oneplus 3 use slower shutter speeds and higher exposure to capture a lot more detail using its OIS. I used manual mode in Poco to mimic Oneplus's setting and took photos with 1/15 shutter speed and 800 ISO. Oneplus 3uses these settings on non hdr mode.
Oneplus captured a bit more detail but with more noise than poco with a file size of 5 MB and poco had less noise and lower details with a file size of 3 MB. These are indoor shots.So poco uses noise suppression resulting in loss of detail.
Gcam HDR mode dramatically improves image quality in oneplus 3 with higher details and lower noise with a file size of 7 MB for the same photo. Hence we can expect Gcam mod to do the same wonders for poco F1.
Sandepp said:
Ok so here are my observations. Poco's AI or auto mode uses fast shutter speed and low exposure to reduce blur and compensate for the lack of OIS.This results in loss of details. I see the oneplus 3 use slower shutter speeds and higher exposure to capture a lot more detail using its OIS. I used manual mode in Poco to mimic Oneplus's setting and took photos with 1/15 shutter speed and 800 ISO. Oneplus 3uses these settings on non hdr mode.
Oneplus captured a bit more detail but with more noise than poco with a file size of 5 MB and poco had less noise and lower details with a file size of 3 MB. These are indoor shots.So poco uses noise suppression resulting in loss of detail.
Gcam HDR mode dramatically improves image quality in oneplus 3 with higher details and lower noise with a file size of 7 MB for the same photo. Hence we can expect Gcam mod to do the same wonders for poco F1.
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That's where I feel the poco stock cam does a fine job on the software to overcome the hardware limitations, for most of our normal day to day use, these pics are quite good, the dynamic range is impressive on many occasions.
watsinaname said:
That's where I feel the poco stock cam does a fine job on the software to overcome the hardware limitations, for most of our normal day to day use, these pics are quite good, the dynamic range is impressive on many occasions.
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I personally feel the auto mode on stock cam is very conservative on the settings resulting in an almost unusable indoor and low light shots. This can be overcome mostly by manual mode but I still feel this needs a proper gcam port to unleash the true capabilities of this sensor.
Sandepp said:
I personally feel the auto mode on stock cam is very conservative on the settings resulting in an almost unusable indoor and low light shots. This can be overcome mostly by manual mode but I still feel this needs a proper gcam port to unleash the true capabilities of this sensor.
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Agree on the indoor picture quality, good thing I have the Note8 for that and the low light shots
Poco is good for all day browsing, chatting, and some decent day light clicks. As a daily driver there's enough things on the phone to like it.
Does anyone have Direct experience taking pictures with a Galaxy S7 and this one? I would like to change my mobile phone but I wouldn't like to lose a lot in camera experience. Thank you very much
granbonobo said:
Does anyone have Direct experience taking pictures with a Galaxy S7 and this one? I would like to change my mobile phone but I wouldn't like to lose a lot in camera experience. Thank you very much
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A friend has the S7 edge, I have the poco f1 let me know if you are looking for any specific tests to be carried out, will try and revert.
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CROrION said:
So to conclude, pocophone has decent camera. In good light and in controled light it has good dynamic range, lot of details and focus is fast and accurate. In low light, noise reduction reduces amount of details, and photos can be blury due to longer exposure and lack of ois.
Solution?
GCAM
It is in earley stages of porting for poco, so give it few weeks, but already it gives better results in low light than stock camera. Best thing about it is that you don't need to root or flash anything, just install it and that is it.
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some really good clicks there, are you active on instagram too?
When taking pictures with the camera the nearest distance allows me 12 cm width pictures (approx. 4.7 inches). Even with my one of my other smartphones the nearest distance allows pictures with 6 cm (approx. 2.4 inches).
What are your experiences?
It's just the camera module parameter, minimal focusing distance. In case of XA2 (IMX300 module) it's about 10 cm, more or less.
That's it, nothing can be done about it, pure physics.
BUT ! Thanks to 23MPix, you can losslessly zoom the photo a little bit, and this helps to fight this focusing distance.
This phone has great camera, I think.
emcon, I agree with you concerning the 23 MPix and the possibilty to (digitally) zoom the final picture / on smartphone screen.
With my former Xperia´s (Z3c, M5) I got better close-up results after the smartphone was back at Sony for support.
Generally, the camera makes great shots under normal conditions.
This reminds me to the former "fixfocus" analog cameras. With this type you need no adjustment of the distance at the camera and these cameras have been cheap compared with the SLR-cameras.
emcom said:
It's just the camera module parameter, minimal focusing distance. In case of XA2 (IMX300 module) it's about 10 cm, more or less.
That's it, nothing can be done about it, pure physics.
BUT ! Thanks to 23MPix, you can losslessly zoom the photo a little bit, and this helps to fight this focusing distance.
This phone has great camera, I think.
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The camera is very good until low light.
infixremix said:
The camera is very good until low light.
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Not true. Even in low light it takes good looking photos, but only when updated to latest software. Before that, yes, it was so-so.
Some of my latest samples (maybe not photography masterpieces, but still you can check the quality...)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3JnUEEQngCbdbsTX8
emcom said:
Not true. Even in low light it takes good looking photos, but only when updated to latest software. Before that, yes, it was so-so.
Some of my latest samples (maybe not photography masterpieces, but still you can check the quality...)
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It used to on Oreo, now on Pie it looks worse.
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It used to on Oreo, now on Pie it looks worse.
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Yes, unfortunately. Something's wrong with low light photos as well as HDR photos. As I love Xperias, I recently got a XZ2 additionally and while it uses basically the same photo application under Pie, there are significant differences in the results, even starting with Superior Auto mode and its ability to trigger HDR when Backlit scenery is detected; on XA2 it gives no results - on XZ2 it shoots nice HDR photo.
I hope Sony will check how this new (quite nice, btw) application works on the XA2 and make necessary changes. For now I completely switched to XZ2 (which is nice, but some features I liked more on the XA2).
One thing is certainly improved : the quality of audio recorded with videos. Under 8.0 it sounded like recorded through plastic pipe - some strange audio effects audible in the ambient background.
Under 9.0 the audio is flawless. Sounds great.
You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the ASUS ZenFone 7 performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
7 Pro User here:
Selfies in good to moderately low light are very good. Sadly there is not option to un-mirror the image, so you will always end up with your mirror image (something I do not appreciate). Detail is very good and beautification can be turned off completely. In very low light colors are rather muted. Flash images have a very cold color temperature. This is not state of the art, where good camera software usually can compensate for that and give nice, natural image even with LED flash.
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Sadly there is not option to un-mirror the image
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"save as mirrored photo" setting
See attached pic.
Interestingly this option is not available on my device. I did all available updates.
Selfie should be better with a gcam port.
Gcam is overated big time.. Many missing features in gcam that is exclusive to this phone. for example you cant choose the 120hz or 60hz or wideangle or even the macro lens in the video or pic mode on Gcam.. The factory app just gives you all those best options..
HOWEVER
In low light or dim light I find the factory camera will often try to focus in and out every second or 2 and makes the video look like its being shaked around. When using Gcam it wont do that. So be sure to turn on a light or maybe try using manual mode which does a very good job but takes some time to fine tune.
Other than that focus issue in low light this camera is the best I ever seen. very impressive.. Video is super smooth. Choose H.265 to get the best quality and lower memory card usage..
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Gcam is overated big time.. Many missing features in gcam that is exclusive to this phone. for example you cant choose the 120hz or 60hz or wideangle or even the macro lens in the video or pic mode on Gcam.. The factory app just gives you all those best options..
HOWEVER
In low light or dim light I find the factory camera will often try to focus in and out every second or 2 and makes the video look like its being shaked around. When using Gcam it wont do that. So be sure to turn on a light or maybe try using manual mode which does a very good job but takes some time to fine tune.
Other than that focus issue in low light this camera is the best I ever seen. very impressive.. Video is super smooth. Choose H.265 to get the best quality and lower memory card usage..
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Did you use Wichayas Gcam? Afaik it has everything working