From what I've seen in Unbox Therapy's video the camera app (and especially it's portrait mode) on the Galaxy Note 8 seems to be a lot better. Will there be a port like we saw with the Pixel camera? The note 8 had a model with the SD835 like the op5 and I guess other smartphones with the same type of dual camera setups could benefit from this as well. Will we ever see a port of the app and if not why?
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From what I've seen in Unbox Therapy's video the camera app (and especially it's portrait mode) on the Galaxy Note 8 seems to be a lot better. Will there be a port like we saw with the Pixel camera? The note 8 had a model with the SD835 like the op5 and I guess other smartphones with the same type of dual camera setups could benefit from this as well. Will we ever see a port of the app and if not why?
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I wouldn't hold my breath. TouchWiz is much further away from OOS than Google's version of android. Too many proprietary files on TouchWiz that we wouldn't have access to.
Doubtful, even if it's got the same chipset, it won't have the same cameras. OnePlus usually use Sony cameras (Apparently the main camera is the Sony IMX 398), Samsung will most likely use their own and the software will be designed to fit their own hardware.
Apparently the S7 has a Sony camera though, so....who knows.
Yeah, probably slim to none. Touchwiz is too proprietary
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Guys i see quite much Note 7 ports for S7 edge, Can someone guide me as to which one is more preferred because of stability and battery life? i am confused
First thing to do is to see if you have a samsung sensor or a Sony sensor. If it's a samsung one, I highly think it's not great to update to Note 7 port cause the photos will be awfull.
You could see what sensor you have with AIDA or Phone Info !
Grace UX will be port in the next update
I have the impression renovate is the best one. But personally i still use s7 edge rom because i can wait few weeks because i read on sammobile the nougat update for our s7 edge will bring most software features from the note 7 like improved aod and grace ux.
offtopic: is the samsung camera sensor worse then the sony one? under normal conditions?
I flashed Renovate rom. And it looks awesome. Loving it!
I have a screenshot attached. Which sensor is that?
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I flashed Renovate rom. And it looks awesome. Loving it!
I have a screenshot attached. Which sensor is that?
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Thats Sammy Isocell (typically if you have exynos chip)
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Thats Sammy Isocell (typically if you have exynos chip)
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So does that mean my photo quality wouldnt be good?
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So does that mean my photo quality wouldnt be good?
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Samsung Sensor was only bad on S6, on S7E it looks stunning. Before buying my S7 Edge I was playing with other phones cameras and the S7E had best image quality. Even compared to Xperia cameras (which I kinda dislike for image processing(amount of pixels is visible but only when You zoom in)) or LG G5 which once again other than huge viewing angle had quite poor colour-less photos. And it's not true that N7 ports will give You a bad camera. I've been using N7 ports for a while and they take same quality pictures like stock roms from sammobile.
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Samsung Sensor was only bad on S6, on S7E it looks stunning. Before buying my S7 Edge I was playing with other phones cameras and the S7E had best image quality. Even compared to Xperia cameras (which I kinda dislike for image processing(amount of pixels is visible but only when You zoom in)) or LG G5 which once again other than huge viewing angle had quite poor colour-less photos. And it's not true that N7 ports will give You a bad camera. I've been using N7 ports for a while and they take same quality pictures like stock roms from sammobile.
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I haven't tried any of them but numerous people have said if you have a Samsung sensor the photos come out like potato. Not because the sensor is bad but because the required libs for the Samsung sensor haven't been ported over properly.
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Samsung Sensor was only bad on S6, on S7E it looks stunning. Before buying my S7 Edge I was playing with other phones cameras and the S7E had best image quality. Even compared to Xperia cameras (which I kinda dislike for image processing(amount of pixels is visible but only when You zoom in)) or LG G5 which once again other than huge viewing angle had quite poor colour-less photos. And it's not true that N7 ports will give You a bad camera. I've been using N7 ports for a while and they take same quality pictures like stock roms from sammobile.
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Thanks for clearing it out
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I have the impression renovate is the best one. But personally i still use s7 edge rom because i can wait few weeks because i read on sammobile the nougat update for our s7 edge will bring most software features from the note 7 like improved aod and grace ux.
offtopic: is the samsung camera sensor worse then the sony one? under normal conditions?
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No, under the normal conditions the samsungs sensor is slightly better
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I haven't tried any of them but numerous people have said if you have a Samsung sensor the photos come out like potato. Not because the sensor is bad but because the required libs for the Samsung sensor haven't been ported over properly.
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Well. On my phone pictures look really pretty.
(Tinypic compression slightly messed up the sharpness)
Hey, I was researching around the internet and I saw that the HDR+ feature can actually be ported over to other phones using the camera nx app. I saw that the Moto z had it ported and some guy claiming it worked on his galaxy s8. The galaxy s8 is using a snapdragon 835 which is the same as our phone, so I'm guessing it is possible to port the feature over. Anyone know how to do that?
The camera blobs don't support HDR+ in any shape or form so it's not impossible but incredibly difficult i.e why bother.
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Sorry if I got anyones hopes up but it doesn't seem like we will be getting HDR+ anytime soon. I tried everything I can think of but it seems like the OnePlus blobs don't support HDR+. This is something I have confirmed with Amir Zaidi. Therefore, it's unlikely that I could port it over anytime soon.
No, impossible because of the blobs.
Before I got this phone I kept seeing the comment about how we technically have the same camera hardware as the S7 but are limited by Moto's software versus Samsungs Superior camera app/software/image processing. So I've been wondering for a while but never seen it brought up around here........ Would an S7 camera port ever be possible? I know TouchWiz is it's own world and this would probably require porting all of TouchWiz, but I wonder if it's worth it, or maybe even possible for just a camera port alone?
It is not the same camera as in S7.
I believe the image sensor is the same as the S7 (a Sony unit), but that's all. Likely, the optics are different, and that's where the differences start. Hard to say if the kernel driver is the same, but I'd expect Sony to supply something to OEMs in that regard.
The only thing that can really help improve image quality on a G5 plus is post processing, ie. Use snapseed or some similar app.
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I am planning to buy the Le Pro 3 x720 and customise it to have a oneplus 3 experience.
The LEx720 and OP3 has the same camera sensor and almost same processor (snapdragon 821 for LEx720 & snapdragon 820 for OP3)
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Yet the x720 camera reviews are less positive in comparison to the OP3. I guess its the processing.
1. So has someone ever tried the Oneplus camera on the LEx720?
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2. Is it possible to have some samples comparison please, especially against the google camera?
My alternative choice would be the Meizu M6 Note which boasts the same camera as the HTC U11 and it's working pretty great with its Arcsoft algorithm.
3. Based solely on camera, can the LEx720 deliver a better image quality than the Meizu M6 Note?
I would really appreciate your views.
Thank you all in advance.
I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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I wouldn't say you're guaranteed to get a Sony sensor. Some people here are reporting that their camera isn't working on custom ROMs like Paranoid Android--which means that they have a different camera sensor (I believe custom ROMs for the Pro3 variants are built with Sony drivers, but IDK). The OnePlus 3 camera is miles better than the Pro3 camera simply because OnePlus bothers to put good camera software on their phones. Not iPhone-quality, but definitely up there. When it comes to cameras, software is a lot more important, IMO. That's why the iPhone 6's camera quality holds up today, even though the phone was released in 2014. Name a single Android phone from 2014 with good camera quality today...
You are not guaranteed good camera quality from Chinese phones. Some Chinese brands claim to make this a priority, but reviews don't lie. Now, Camera2 API may improve quality, but it really depends. Camera2 API has done wonders for variants of the Xiaomi Note 4 stuck with the inferior Omnivision sensor. It's done even more for variants with Sony and Samsung sensors. And I expect it does well for the Pro3 too, since the Pro3 has a chipset with good image processing. Do your research. Look around the forum and search for camera mods. See if you like the results or not. Camera2 API requires you to root your phone.
Sorry, but if you want a flagship-worthy camera experience, you either buy an iPhone 7, 8, or X, a Samsung S8 or Note 8, an OP3T or OP5, or a Pixel phone. Pixel phones have the best smartphone cameras in the market right now, especially the Pixel 2, since it has dedicated hardware for it. I can't think of any other phones that take excellent images no matter where you are or what you're doing. With other brands you'll have to either a) make sure there's enough lighting, b) be in the right place at the right time, or c) do a lot of manual post-processing, which ruins image quality.
I'm okay with my x722's image quality. It takes good shots in sunlight. Low-light performance is awful. Pretty typical experience. I don't know which sensor I have, though. I'd have to be rooted to find that out.
The Meizu M6 Note has a better sensor. Even if its camera software is awful, it's bound to be better. LeEco doesn't even try with its camera app, so Meizu has to be better.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Different camera sensor? Has there been a case? Doing so would be nightmare for device maintenance and unless it is a large scale company with a model that gets sold huge quantities (Samsung and Apple), it would just be a unnecessary headache without any benefit. Camera not working on certain custom roms does not indicate different sensor. Far from it. A missing or extra line on device tree or even in build.prop would cause it.
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Is that so? Sorry, I didn't know that. I thought it strange that the camera would work on ROMs installed on some devices but not others.
It is true that camera sucks on most of Chinese phones. They've got the hardware but unless you're shooting RAW, end result will be very poor.
However, that was the case before Google HDR+ port. That port makes dramatic different. No reason to use OnePlus camera when OnePlus users are rooting for Google HDR+.
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Yeah, Gcam changed everything. Now phones with the worst sensors get decent shots, even at night.
Hi , I would like to buy a smartphone I had recently huawei mate 20 simple not the pro I hesitate between huawei p30 pro samsung galaxy s10 + and note 9 version snapdragon what you advised for me what interests me a lot is the camera and the life of the battery,sorry for my english thank you:good:
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Hi , I would like to buy a smartphone I had recently huawei mate 20 simple not the pro I hesitate between huawei p30 pro samsung galaxy s10 + and note 9 version snapdragon what you advised for me what interests me a lot is the camera and the life of the battery,sorry for my english thank you:good:
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The Huawei P30 pro has a great camera and a solid battery but a 1080p display and the software experience isn't that great imo.
The Note 9 is an amazing all around phone that I would consider if you're looking for a bargain but the Note 10 will be available in less than a month.
The S10 plus has everything, the camera, the display the software experience the battery. You just can't go wrong with this phone.
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Samsung has been using the same camera sensor since the Galaxy 7 which is 4 generations of Galaxy phones with no upgrade. Currently Huawei and Xiaomi phones both take much better pics than Samsung. If camera is your top concern Samsung should not be anywhere near the top of your list. The camera on my Xiaomi MI 9 which costs all of $350 on sale smokes the S10+ camera.
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Samsung has been using the same camera sensor since the Galaxy 7 which is 4 generations of Galaxy phones with no upgrade. Currently Huawei and Xiaomi phones both take much better pics than Samsung. If camera is your top concern Samsung should not be anywhere near the top of your list. The camera on my Xiaomi MI 9 which costs all of $350 on sale smokes the S10+ camera.
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I dont see the big deal that involves the camera sooo much yanno theres a millions things on a phone other than the camera if you wanna good camera buy a camera
If I were you , I'll just see and wait for the note 10 to see what it offers better
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I dont see the big deal that involves the camera sooo much yanno theres a millions things on a phone other than the camera if you wanna good camera buy a camera
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I agree. The S10+ has a lot of great things about it but the OP specifically listed the camera as being one of his top priorities. Samsung has fallen behind its competitors in that area. If the OP had a Mate 20 he might be disappointed with the Galaxy camera.
The Galaxy S10+ also charges much less quickly than Huawei and Xiaomi phones (the speed difference is huge with wireless charging) which is the other obvious area where Samsung has fallen behind their competitors.
I think Samsung's huge market share made them complacent which is why they haven't kept pace with innovation--the Galaxy phones have only been offering incremental upgrades from year to year for a while now.
Supposedly the S11 Galaxy line is finally going to change that but we have a while to wait on those.
S10+ exynos for the win
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Samsung has been using the same camera sensor since the Galaxy 7 which is 4 generations of Galaxy phones with no upgrade. Currently Huawei and Xiaomi phones both take much better pics than Samsung. If camera is your top concern Samsung should not be anywhere near the top of your list. The camera on my Xiaomi MI 9 which costs all of $350 on sale smokes the S10+ camera.
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I had Mi9 right before S10 (now S10+). Mi9 low light and indoor light photos are soo bad, even sometimes unusable, no matter with or without tripod. No OIS... Day photos are very good, same like S10+
...from phones mentioned in OP I would go for S10+.
edit: @ jhs38 like usual, stock camera doesn't have any options for improving picture quality in Auto mode. Just picture format, light conditions and HDR on/off
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I had Mi9 right before S10 (now S10+). Mi9 low light and indoor light photos are soo bad, even sometimes unusable, no matter with or without tripod. No OIS... Day photos are very good, same like S10+
...from phones mentioned in OP I would go for S10+.
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I can't agree at all. People who say that usually have the camera app set up wrong. For me both the MI 9 and Mix 2S took excellent low light pictures. I also owned the Huawei Mate 20P and Pixel XL, which are both considered excellent camera phones. All 4 of those phones took better pictures than my Galaxy S10+ regardless of light or any other conditions.
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I can't agree at all. People who say that usually have the camera app set up wrong. For me both the MI 9 and Mix 2S took excellent low light pictures. I also owned the Huawei Mate 20P and Pixel XL, which are both considered excellent camera phones. All 4 of those phones took better pictures than my Galaxy S10+ regardless of light or any other conditions.
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Wow man, I don't know what did you smoke because there's no way the mate20pro has better camera than the s10+ (I ditched my mate 20 pro)
The wide lens is wider on the s10, the selfies are MILES better, because of the autofocus (only Samsung phones have it)
The video on ANY Huawei (or Chinese phone for that matter) phone is horrible.
And yes the STOCK camera has better night mode on Huawei/Xiaomi but you just install the gcam and boom, problem solved (oh did I forgot to mention that you can't install **** on Kirin processors?)
And that's just on the camera department.
The screen is just hideous on any phone that isn't a galaxy or an iPhone(no I don't have an iPhone but I've seen them and they're good)
The dual speaker is waaay better also on galaxy, specially s10
The software on Chinese phones is horrible.
And the list could go on and on...
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Wow man, I don't know what did you smoke because there's no way the mate20pro has better camera than the s10+ (I ditched my mate 20 pro)
The wide lens is wider on the s10, the selfies are MILES better, because of the autofocus (only Samsung phones have it)
The video on ANY Huawei (or Chinese phone for that matter) phone is horrible.
And yes the STOCK camera has better night mode on Huawei/Xiaomi but you just install the gcam and boom, problem solved (oh did I forgot to mention that you can't install **** on Kirin processors?)
And that's just on the camera department.
The screen is just hideous on any phone that isn't a galaxy or an iPhone(no I don't have an iPhone but I've seen them and they're good)
The dual speaker is waaay better also on galaxy, specially s10
The software on Chinese phones is horrible.
And the list could go on and on...
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I don't think it's even possible to find a professional tech review that claims the S10+ camera is better than the Mate 20 Pro camera--although I never use smartphone cameras to record video so I can't comment on that.
Most people use their smartphone cameras for point and shoot pictures and for low light or bright light pics, detail and color the M20P camera is far superior to the S10+ camera.
When you are talking about specific photographic effects that's a different area because a lot of that is achieved through the coding of the camera app and some phone brands choose to focus on different options than other brands.
I'm not serious enough about smartphone photography to play with all of the various effects and options available in the cameras on any smartphone. If you are you certainly might find things you prefer in the Samsung camera app which was considered one of the best in the business until a couple years ago.
As far as I know everybody who does professional tests and reviews gives the cameras in the recent Huawei flagships much higher marks than the S10+ camera.
From personal experience when I was in a car wreck in April I took lots of pics with my M20P (before going to the hospital emergency room for 9 hours because of a serious concussion).
When I later printed out individual pics of the accident damage at enlarged 8.5"x11" size the level of detail in the enlargements was astounding--in pics taken from 6 feet away something as small as the head of a screw was razor sharp.
In my own tests with the S10+ camera enlarged pictures don't have anything close to comparable clarity and detail.
The only reason I eventually opted to get rid of my M20P after about 6 months was that it didn't support Volte on T-Mobile in the United States (unlike the P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro, Mix 2S & MI 9). It turns out that on T-Mobile if a phone supports band 12 without also supporting Volte calls frequently go straight to voicemail without the phone ringing first.
I got a MI 9 which I like but the battery in that phone is too small for the hardware plus MIUI is a lot more buggy than it was on the Mix 2S.
When I found a good deal on an unlocked S10+ I decided to try Samsung again for the first time since the Galaxy 3.
The S10+ is definitely very good in many ways but if Samsung were forced to compete head to head with Huawei and Xiaomi in the United States it would be impossible to justify the $1000 list price it cost at launch.
When compared with Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi devices the S10+ should be a $600 phone--possibly $700 at launch.
But since Samsung has nobody to compete against in the United States other than One Plus and Google Pixel $1000 doesn't seem nearly as inflated as it should.
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I don't think it's even possible to find a professional tech review that claims the S10+ camera is better than the Mate 20 Pro camera--although I never use smartphone cameras to record video so I can't comment on that.
Most people use their smartphone cameras for point and shoot pictures and for low light or bright light pics, detail and color the M20P camera is far superior to the S10+ camera.
When you are talking about specific photographic effects that's a different area because a lot of that is achieved through the coding of the camera app and some phone brands choose to focus on different options than other brands.
I'm not serious enough about smartphone photography to play with all of the various effects and options available in the cameras on any smartphone. If you are you certainly might find things you prefer in the Samsung camera app which was considered one of the best in the business until a couple years ago.
As far as I know everybody who does professional tests and reviews gives the cameras in the recent Huawei flagships much higher marks than the S10+ camera.
From personal experience when I was in a car wreck in April I took lots of pics with my M20P (before going to the hospital emergency room for 9 hours because of a serious concussion).
When I later printed out individual pics of the accident damage at enlarged 8.5"x11" size the level of detail in the enlargements was astounding--in pics taken from 6 feet away something as small as the head of a screw was razor sharp.
In my own tests with the S10+ camera enlarged pictures don't have anything close to comparable clarity and detail.
The only reason I eventually opted to get rid of my M20P after about 6 months was that it didn't support Volte on T-Mobile in the United States (unlike the P20 Pro, Mate 10 Pro, Mix 2S & MI 9). It turns out that on T-Mobile if a phone supports band 12 without also supporting Volte calls frequently go straight to voicemail without the phone ringing first.
I got a MI 9 which I like but the battery in that phone is too small for the hardware plus MIUI is a lot more buggy than it was on the Mix 2S.
When I found a good deal on an unlocked S10+ I decided to try Samsung again for the first time since the Galaxy 3.
The S10+ is definitely very good in many ways but if Samsung were forced to compete head to head with Huawei and Xiaomi in the United States it would be impossible to justify the $1000 list price it cost at launch.
When compared with Huawei, Honor and Xiaomi devices the S10+ should be a $600 phone--possibly $700 at launch.
But since Samsung has nobody to compete against in the United States other than One Plus and Google Pixel $1000 doesn't seem nearly as inflated as it should.
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Last paragraph spot on.
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It was announced today that the Note 10 might feature an AI assisted camera which supports what I was saying earlier about the Samsung camera lagging behind its competitors--both Huawei and Xiaomi added that functionality to the cameras in their flagship phones 2 years ago.
But since Samsung doesn't have to compete against Huawei or Xiaomi in the United States a lot of people here will think Samsung is being innovative.