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I am thinking about switching to the 6p. 808 has been a letdown for me and I am worried about future updates because of lenovo.
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I am thinking about switching to the 6p. 808 has been a letdown for me and I am worried about future updates because of lenovo.
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Of course it is the worth, 6p is a much better phone than mxp but it costs more (obviously) and the thing that i dont like about it is the glass camera frame (so ugly)
Personally, I wouldn't switch to a nexus. Its a great phone, sure, but I like having an SD card slot. That and the price of the 6p.
If that doesn't sway your decision, I'd say go for it otherwise.
This video is pretty interesting... Especially around 6:30 when both phones are nice and hot and he runs Antutu benchmark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvCM1McR42Q
I just made the switch about 3 weeks ago. For me it was especially worth it since I could sell my X for the same purchase price of a refurb 6p. But Even if there were a price difference, it's a worthwhile upgrade for me. The only thing to keep in mind is Google is probably going to pump out a new nexus phone or two this fall hopefully with Snapdragon 820's onboard. THe 820 is leaps and bounds above the 810 in the 6p and the 808 in the X and I'm looking forward to my next phone having one. It really comes down to your willingness to wait with an admittedly great Moto X for the new Nexus or jump up to a fantastic experience from the current offering.
Pure nexus on 6p vs MotoX is a much smoother experience in my opinion having run them side by side for a few days.
I've ditched 6p for MXPE for a couple of reasons.
The main reason for this was this awful AMOLED screen. It has a lot of issues and even if you are lucky enough and won't get any pink spots or greenish tones to your screen, you'll still get awful ghosting of dark objects with black backgrounds and small letters will fall apart while scrolling. This was driving me nuts and just after a week of using this crappy screen I've sold 6p and bought MXPE. Oh, and also, just in a week, there was a lot of noticeable burn-ins around navbar and status bar. I just don't want to know, what will happen to this screen in a year.
So, here are my personal reasons to choose 6p over MXPE:
1) Amazing camera. MXPE has awful camera, it is usable only in perfect conditions and despite having 21 mpx it just doesn't deliver such great pictures, as 6p does.
2) Performance. Even though I've thought 6p was a little slower then Nexus 5, MXPE is really disappointing. Snapdragon 808 can't cope with QHD screen. Stutters all over the place, scroll is nowhere as smooth as it was back in 2014 with Nexus 5 and Oneplus One.
3) Community. After a couple of years with Nexuses, I can't understand, why there are so few people trying to develop something for this phone. With open-sourced kernel, opened bootloader, such low price and near-stock official firmware I thought MXPE would gather a lot of developers. But still, after more than half a year after release, there is still no fully-functional Cyanogenmod ROM, for instance.
4) Technologies. Type C interface and Nexus Imprint are nice, but they are not necessary.
But, as well, I can mention, why MXPE is better, than 6p:
1) Design. This is not a huge deal, for me both of these phones look and feel great. I just preferred a little more roundness in Motorola, as well as textured back cover. It's nicer and a lot more grippier, than aluminum in 6p.
2) Screen. As mentioned above, this was a deal-breaker for me. IPS is a lot better technology, than AMOLED. IMHO, of course. But never again, AMOLED just won't work for me unless engineers figure out, how to make every single pixel (LED) operate at 60+ Hz frequency for smooth transitions.
3) Speakers. Even though 6p also has front-facing speakers, Motorola's speakers are way nicer. They sound amazing.
4) Build quality. 6p feels a bit tender and weak. It feels like it can be broken in half easily. Motorola is built to last, it feels sturdy. I am pretty sure it will survive a couple of drops. Even in water, according to IP52 resistance. Of course this certificate means that it'll survive a rain, but I am pretty sure it can survive a couple of seconds in water in case of accident.
Well I'm returning s8 plus. It just can't beat out pixel overall. Pros and cons of s8 plus for anybody interested.
Pros
Screen- is bright and very big
Battery- best battery I've ever used to date
Sdcard- also best phone with sd slot I've used to date, loads 10,000 plus photos in seconds
Camera- excels in low light, regular light it can't touch pixel
Web pages- loading and scrolling is probably fastest I've ever seen on mobile device
Samsung pay- still love Samsung pay over Android pay
No bezels- looks amazing and sleek
Samsung ui- I've always loved it and I still like it. Has countless options that are unreal but still not as fast as pure Android but that's to be expected
Edge screen- probably my favorite feature. Absolutely love night clock
Cons
Screen- is weird ratio and colors look over saturated except on basic mode then everything else looks washed out. Some apps don't like no bezels. Keyboard is weird and reply tabs in notification bar are very tiny and odd
Camera- normal light pixel has it beat, too saturated and unrealistic
Fingerprint sensor location- yes you get used to it but back on pixel and it is still way easier
Screen protector/case- good luck getting a glass screen protector to stick and a case to match without intruding on each other
No bezels- I found it hard to reach to bottom of phone for home button or anything on nav bar really
Bixby/buttons- bixby needs no statement it is just rubbish (and bixby button) and the other buttons are spread out. I like how pixel has volume and power on same side and textured power button
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Well I'm returning s8 plus. It just can't beat out pixel overall. Pros and cons of s8 plus for anybody interested.
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Looks like your Pros outweigh your Cons, although I do agree with your statement on the fingerprint scanner.
[RANT]Whatever possessed Samsung to place it where it is, is beyond me, for me the placement has rendered it pretty much well useless (Yes, in time you will get used to it; I could also get used to driving my car from the back seat, but bad design is bad design). Thankfully there are other options to secure your phone (facial recognition is by far my favourite and quickest; Even if it isn't as secure...)
However, I have always detested Touchwiz, even with the constant improvements it doesn't compare to some of the top launchers out there.[/RANT]
Enjoy your Pixel XL
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Looks like your Pros outweigh your Cons, although I do agree with your statement on the fingerprint scanner.
[RANT]Whatever possessed Samsung to place it where it is, is beyond me, for me the placement has rendered it pretty much well useless (Yes, in time you will get used to it; I could also get used to driving my car from the back seat, but bad design is bad design). Thankfully there are other options to secure your phone (facial recognition is by far my favourite and quickest; Even if it isn't as secure...)
However, I have always detested Touchwiz, even with the constant improvements it doesn't compare to some of the top launchers out there.[/RANT]
Enjoy your Pixel XL
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They might but things like the over saturated screen and weird ratio are very big deals to me so therefore they outweigh all the good lol
Yes the fingerprint is weird. I honestly think they quit R&Ding the device and just threw on back to beat iphone out and get some sales. Hopefully they take their time with the Note 8 and it is perfection. I would rather have my note 7 back over the s8 plus at this point.
Touchwiz has gotten better but yes it could still use some more features. But hey they all could always use more feautres!
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They might but things like the over saturated screen and weird ratio are very big deals to me so therefore they outweigh all the good lol
Yes the fingerprint is weird. I honestly think they quit R&Ding the device and just threw on back to beat iphone out and get some sales. Hopefully they take their time with the Note 8 and it is perfection. I would rather have my note 7 back over the s8 plus at this point.
Touchwiz has gotten better but yes it could still use some more features. But hey they all could always use more feautres!
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Fair call on the oversaturation, I think I have just gotten used to it (almost all of my devices are Samsung, I'm constantly fiddling with our TV picture settings ). Although I'd probably suggest getting used to the new aspect ratio, I imagine it will make an appearance on the Note 8 and become the norm, considering Samsung now has a penchant for using large phones with one hand.
Default screen mode is Adaptive - this over saturates the screen colours. Use Amoled Photo. This is calibrated to Adobe RGB standard.
No bezel - this is a plus for me, and most people. This is the way smartphones are going. Less bezel = better phone. More for aesthetics than anything.
Screen protector/case - I never use them. They ruin the look and feel of the phone.
Camera - still the best on the market in my opinion. Beats anything else out there.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...probably-shouldnt-buy-a-google-pixel-anymore/
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Default screen mode is Adaptive - this over saturates the screen colours. Use Amoled Photo. This is calibrated to Adobe RGB standard.
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Cheers for the tip, I hadn't touched this setting, but now I've made the switch it looks much better.
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Fair call on the oversaturation, I think I have just gotten used to it (almost all of my devices are Samsung, I'm constantly fiddling with our TV picture settings ). Although I'd probably suggest getting used to the new aspect ratio, I imagine it will make an appearance on the Note 8 and become the norm, considering Samsung now has a penchant for using large phones with one hand.
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Yeah I don't like the fake look though. If I take a photo I want it to be realistic. I took some photos and then look at photo and object and was like man it looks way off. The note 8 better have a normal screen ratio!
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Default screen mode is Adaptive - this over saturates the screen colours. Use Amoled Photo. This is calibrated to Adobe RGB standard.
No bezel - this is a plus for me, and most people. This is the way smartphones are going. Less bezel = better phone. More for aesthetics than anything.
Screen protector/case - I never use them. They ruin the look and feel of the phone.
Camera - still the best on the market in my opinion. Beats anything else out there.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/0...probably-shouldnt-buy-a-google-pixel-anymore/
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I can't stand the over saturation. Looks bad unless you drop to basic. Pixel camera is best imo ?
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I also went back to my trusty Pixel XL. It is the first time I have ever voluntarily gone back to a device. The Pixel's performance can't be even distantly touched by the S8+. The optimization is worth its weight in gold alone. The S8+ is a beautiful and all around more polished piece of hardware that is severely hampered by what might be a disparity in GPU requirements v. Infinity display requirements and software that simply makes horrid use of the 2017 spec bump underlying it. I think Samsung went a bit too ambitious this time and left a few too many rough edges.
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I also went back to my trusty Pixel XL. It is the first time I have ever voluntarily gone back to a device. The Pixel's performance can't be even distantly touched by the S8+. The optimization is worth its weight in gold alone. The S8+ is a beautiful and all around more polished piece of hardware that is severely hampered by what might be a disparity in GPU requirements v. Infinity display requirements and software that simply makes horrid use of the 2017 spec bump underlying it. I think Samsung went a bit too ambitious this time and left a few too many rough edges.
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I couldn't have said it better. The s8 is just so close to perfection but so far from it lol
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I smell descent in the S8+ ranks... lol
coldmethod said:
Looks like your Pros outweigh your Cons, although I do agree with your statement on the fingerprint scanner.
[RANT]Whatever possessed Samsung to place it where it is, is beyond me, for me the placement has rendered it pretty much well useless (Yes, in time you will get used to it; I could also get used to driving my car from the back seat, but bad design is bad design). Thankfully there are other options to secure your phone (facial recognition is by far my favourite and quickest; Even if it isn't as secure...)
However, I have always detested Touchwiz, even with the constant improvements it doesn't compare to some of the top launchers out there.[/RANT]
Enjoy your Pixel XL
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I read that the only reason they threw the sensor in the back was because they ran out of time. They wanted it in the screen but didn't have enough time time for production.
I forgot garbage bixby and the button!!!
Edited op for it!
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you forgot a couple more things that makes the s8+ sweep the floor with it..
HDR screen certification.
IP68 water and dust proofing.
Wireless charging and Fast Wireless Charging
Micro SD card expansion.
Bluetooth 5.0
Always On Display.
Iris scanner security.
bye felicia
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I read that the only reason they threw the sensor in the back was because they ran out of time. They wanted it in the screen but didn't have enough time time for production.
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I also read somewhere that the above sensor placement may hold the CrApple iSh#t 8 from being delivered as per their normal schedule, if it is true at least CrApple have the sense to ensure deadlines don't affect the final product. (please excuse my uncharacteristic optimism regarding CrApple products)
For the fanboys/fence sitters - Yes Apple has it's applications, yes some people prefer simple... this is an Android forum. As I have said in the past iPhones are for people that want a smartphone but aren't smart enough to use them. ~ from an open platform fanboy.
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I forgot garbage bixby and the button!!!
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I too forgot this useless piece of redundant garbage (sort of points out how irrelevant Bixby is in a world of Google Now), although the button remapped to be a "back" button is handy.
Hopefully Samsung will pull their collective heads out of each other's butts and allow the button to be remapped to whatever the consumer wishes without a 3rd party app, instead of the usual "this is how you will use the device you payed for and rightfully own" attitude of large corporations.
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I read that the only reason they threw the sensor in the back was because they ran out of time. They wanted it in the screen but didn't have enough time time for production.
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They wanted it to be on the same spot as the home button under the screen, but Synaptics couldn't get it working good enough in time.
I'm also going to return mine. I'm kind of disappointed that the audio quality is subpar IMHO. Comparing it with my Nexus 6P, the sound level is lower than the 6P and honestly the 6P sounds more crisp. If I'm paying close to a grand for a device- S8+ with paid bundle, I would wish the manufacturer doesn't skimp on features like Samsung did with this phone. The mono speaker audio and then the issue with the tint... I tried adjusting in settings but there's still a slight red hue which is annoying to say the least. The fingerprint scanner... But I can get used to that. The Bixby button being disabled to use with other applications. It's just too many compromises for a device like this. Thinking I'll wait for the Note 8 or the next Pixel. Damn, I had such high hopes and really wanted to like this phone, but I can't justify spending $950 on something I'm not fully satisfied with.
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I'm also going to return mine. I'm kind of disappointed that the audio quality is subpar IMHO. Comparing it with my Nexus 6P, the sound level is lower than the 6P and honestly the 6P sounds more crisp.
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Well pointed out. One of the major gripes I think is the sound quality. I have tested a bunch of different HiFi headphones on my S8+ but it's nowhere close to the previous Mate 9 audio quality: to low the volume, mushy details in medium tonality, overall "not there". I am not sure where Pixel stands from the sound quality perspective but I would be eager to test it beforehand.
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you forgot a couple more things that makes the s8+ sweep the floor with it..
HDR screen certification.
IP68 water and dust proofing.
Wireless charging and Fast Wireless Charging
Micro SD card expansion.
Bluetooth 5.0
Always On Display.
Iris scanner security.
bye felicia
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I actually have sdcard in the op thank you and they still don't beat the pixel lol always on you know pixel has this too right?
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They wanted it to be on the same spot as the home button under the screen, but Synaptics couldn't get it working good enough in time.
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Once again shows Samsung is becoming more like Apple. I got money on the s9 having it under screen on front pulling more people in to buy it instead of waiting a few more months and perfecting the s8!
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TheAnarchist1 said:
I also went back to my trusty Pixel XL. It is the first time I have ever voluntarily gone back to a device. The Pixel's performance can't be even distantly touched by the S8+. The optimization is worth its weight in gold alone. The S8+ is a beautiful and all around more polished piece of hardware that is severely hampered by what might be a disparity in GPU requirements v. Infinity display requirements and software that simply makes horrid use of the 2017 spec bump underlying it. I think Samsung went a bit too ambitious this time and left a few too many rough edges.
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There were two key features that kept me from getting the pixel. Wireless charging and dust and water resistant. In my line of work I need That! If pixel 2 has those, I'm sold.
Good grief. It's got Pixel sized bezels!
The good old Galaxy Note 3 was so far ahead of its time when it came to minimal bezels.
Galaxy finally has small bezels again but no root for US phones. Or LOS/AOSP ROM's.
OnePlus 5 had a chance to swoop in but dammit if the bezels and phone with its 5.5" screen are still bigger than the old Note 3 with it's 5.7" screen.
I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
Bezel-less is a gimmick. Looks good from a design aspect but the functionality isn't 100% there since black bars when watching Videos/VR Apps/OS have to be made to work
Also 1+ tries to keep the cost of their devices to a minimum and in a video they did mention they'd use a bezelless display but currently wasn't in a position to do it
In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
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In future we will all have them folding phones, but till then phones should retain a minimum amount of bezel, because its more functional that way, phones like S8 are a disaster. Those who actually use it know it. At the same time the size of bezel on the Pixel is an abomination.
I don't know why OP created the OnePlus topic though, liked their first attempt, second one was cooler, third one was the best from them and now this one is simply pathetic. Not that I buy these sort of phones (brand I mean here) but still, not everyone is gonna, or should land a U11 or a Pixel anyway.
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I use the S8+ and it is far from a disaster for my usage. That's just my opinion though.
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I really don't like this bezelless trend. I've played with the G6, S8 and owned the note 2-5.
Screens are delicate enough, and good tempered glass has only become harder to find since this curved screen craze has shown up. We don't need any help with making our phones any more delicate, thanks.
Not trying to flame you in anyway, I just honestly think we do not need bezelless displays.
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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
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I completely agree.
I have larger hands than most and need some surface area other than the screen to hold on to.
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Same, I'm 2 meters tall with hands just as freakishly large, while I am no advocate for Xperia size bezels *Twitches* or pixel xl sized bezels *Shudders* I would much rather see some front firing speakers than this bezeless craze continue.
I just generally upset with where phones are going right now... I felt like last year we got so many awesome upgrades,
The Moto Z play keeping it conssitent with amazing battery life and a success at modularity.
The Honor 8 bringing dual cams in. (Even though this was not the first android phone to do this, I think the honr 8 was the first one that picked up a lot of steam.)
The S7 (I can't believe I said this, I dislike samsung, but I have to get them their credit) but water resistance, wireless charging, good camera, micro sd all in one package!
The Axon 7 filling in the gap for htc with their identity crisis, bringing the best front firing speakers with the same processor and screen resolution as flagships of that year..
The Pixel (Price way too high, I know..) but it's Google's Foray to inject their product to more people.
LG, with... Hah, wait, no they still ate it in 2016.
Then processors for 2016, I felt there was such a huge jump from the 810 to the 820. With performance and heat.. To me it seemed like manufacturers were trying to improve the usability of their phones, with this year, we are killing headphone jacks and trying to get bezelless phones that are wafer thin. I would much rather have a phone with a larger battery or more room for heat dispersion than a phone that would break if I accidentally sat on it wrong.
I'm not trying to discredit anyone's desires here, I just feel like focusing on bezels is so... Secondary.. It's aesthetics, I thought we should just leave that for Samsung and Apple to chase, (And LG to pretend they can catch up)
Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
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Smaller bezels = smaller phone. I want the smallest phone possible with a LARGE screen.
That Note 3 was just damned perfect.
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I agree. Not sure Samsung's goal was specifically for a bezeless phone, but more likely to put the biggest screen possible on the smallest chassis they could build. In that respect, I love the trend. I'm not fond of cutting the screen a la the essential phone to decrease phone size
I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
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I'd be happy with a phone the same size as the Pixel with the same bezels. Better battery, SD card slot, waterproof, good camera, and unlockable bootloader.
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I know it's probably a lost cause but i am hoping they keep the AUX jack as well.
Besides curved edges and delicate display concerns the thing that bothers me about the bezeless design trend is that the more they reduce the bottom bezel the further down on-screen keyboard becomes. This results in more stress to my hand when swipe typing which is my primary input method on my phone. On the S8 it's not too bad since the phone is narrow and I can reach the lower corners of the keyboard fine when holding one handed but on the S8+ stretch becomes more pronounced and I suspect long stints of texting will be an issue for me.
Well, the (successor?) to the Mix has finally launched and I'm quite disappointed about what it turned out to be.
When the Mix was launched, it was one of a kind and a head-turner with almost everything you could ask for in a smartphone (minus the camera of course). But now, the Mix 2 only seems to be an incremental update with many corners cut.
1. The chin is just 12%smaller and looks much larger than those teasers Xiaomi released from time to time.
2. The screen resolution or type hasn't changed. Just slightly modified for the 18:9 aspect ratio. (2160x1080 vs 2040x1080). Also with the new aspect ratio, the overall screen real-estate has shrunk.
Would have appreciated a switch to AMOLED and a higher resolution to call it an upgrade.
3. Of course the chipset has been updated to the latest but I was never too excited about the Snapdragon 835 considering the 821 is no slouch.
4. The camera was a much needed upgrade and I appreciate that they've managed to squeeze in the Sony IMX386. Then again, this isn't a flagship camera compared to the competition but obviously better than that of the current Mix. So it's very much welcome but not a defining feature. Talking about the front camera, I guess Xiaomi has once again put a mediocre POS in there judging by the fact they didn't make a fuss about it.
5. To squeeze in the camera + OIS and the 18:9 aspect ratio, they've shredded 1000mah from the battery which is very disappointing. I guess I am most disappointed about this aspect.
6. No 3.5mm jack. - I wouldn't have been disappointed by the lack of 3.5mm if the rest of the specsheet were damn impressive and on par with other flagships. But it looks like Xiaomi just wanted to be more like Apple here. Removed the jack for no reason. I see myself using the headphone jack from time to time and I believe everyone does at times. Also, I doubt the Mix 2's audio via the provided USB-C adapter can match the Original Mix's inbuilt powerful headphone amp unless you invest in an external DAC.
When the Mi Mix was launched, it was above every other flagship of the time, except maybe the camera. It gave the Galaxy S7 Edge a run for it's money. It was bold and beautiful.
I gladly paid more than a Galaxy S7 Edge to get this and didn't regret.
But looking at the Mix 2, I don't know whether it stands a chance against the Galaxy S8, especially considering prices of the S8/S8+ has dropped after the launch of the Note 8. Slim bezels are not a defining feature anymore as almost everyone has caught up and so, I feel that the Mix 2 doesn't have anything which will make it stand out against the competition.
I don't see it as a worthy upgrade to the original Mix. It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
To conclude, I don't see how this would compel any existing users to upgrade. Morover I don't see the specsheet motivating any new buyers to choose this over a similarly priced S8+.
For those who are still considering getting a Mix, my opinion would be to get the Original one while it is still available for a discount as Xiaomi usually pulls the device from the market soon after the successor is out, most likely because they can't afford to produce and sell the previous gen device at a very low price. For those actually considering spending on a Mix 2, the S8/S8+ is now similarly priced (check ebay) in most markets and offer better value for your money.
What are your thoughts?
Agree with pretty much everything you said but the tiny screen of the new model kills it for me. I find the note 8 tiny after using the Mix for so long. I wish they made a Mix 2+ with a 6.4" display, I would so pay for that.
I'm staying with the original Mix.
Totally agreed. It was hardly an upgrade by any means. I was honestly more impressed with Xiaomi's MI Note Pro than the Mix 2, Lol. That's the problem with scaling to fast though. The Mix was such a market turner when it came out, if you're a company with certain stylistic choices, it's hard to know how to follow-up.
This is what frustrates me with phone releases, after a good one step forward a company makes two steps back with the next.
Losing the headphone jack and dropping so much battery capacity, 25%....
I know I will never get exactly everything from a phone, there will always be compromise and I am OK with that but stop removing the great features that the previous phone had, the new is supposed to be better than the old!
They changed the aspect ratio. OK, I guess I can live with that. They reduced the screen size. OK, that's starting to hurt but I guess I can live with that too.
They removed the headphone jack. OK, I guess I live with that too but stop already!
No, then they cripple the battery and the icing on the cake, the camera bump protrudes more than on the old phone!
I like to think I'm a reasonable guy. OK, I get it, the new camera is larger. OIS may need more space too. Well, how about you make the phone thicker so that the camera is completely flush with the body and use that extra space for a bigger battery and maybe to bring the headphone jack back?
They reduced the bottom bezel by 12%, they should have worked on using that bezel to put capacitive buttons on it instead of the on screen buttons.
Whatever sales they do achieve, I am convinced that a phone with a better battery, a camera flush with body and a capacitive bottom bezel would sell better...
It was supposed to have the 836 before it was announced that there wouldn't even be an 836, which at least would have given it an edge performance-wise and extended its life.
With the big drop in battery, I don't think it would have been wise to go UHD anyway. Also, being HD, we get better performance in general (particularly in games) since it doesn't have to drive all those extra pixels. AMOLED would have been nice though.
The lack of the headphone jack is a big loss for some, especially considering the Mix had one of the best DACs out there. I don't use headphones that much but I'd still miss it if it was gone.
If they'd just taken the Mix and dropped in an 835 and a better camera I'd probably have upgraded.
Agree with all the points you've made and while it's a disappointment, I'm glad that my almost 1 year old mi mix has features I can appreciate over it's successor.
The bezels look more impressive on the first mix and I can't believe they dropped the battery capacity by that much and removed the headphone jack !
I'm disappointed too
No 3.5mm jack
No OLED
and why!?! 5.99? I want at least 6.4 inch
The camera stands out
and a 1000mha smaller battery?
besides, I don't like the speaker upstairs either,
Only the band 20 support would be useful for me as a German.
But there I can also get a NOTE 8....
but now it will probably stay the good old mi mix 256 for a long time.
or the iphone 8
No reason to buy 1 if you have the mix, thought it was going to be something special
If this is their idea of a better phone, then sadly I see my next phone being the Note 9.
For now I'm sticking with the Mix 1.
It's a notable drop in screen size from the Mix 1.
It's like 15% smaller (roughly 15.64 vs 16.93 sq inches).
Smaller than the galaxy note 8, although it's 'shorter'.
It's nice to see them fixing the major issues from the Mix1 (camera, speaker).
Hopefully it's more drop proof now, too.
But it's no longer the biggest screen/battery for a pocketable phone, and that's a major loss,
So now you ask - what's the point? It it really THAT much better looking than other phones?
Not really.
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It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
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I was a VERY early adopter of the Galaxy note 1, and I can assure you - the galaxy note 2 was significantly better than the galaxy note 1 and I can't recall a single negative. The note 1 was definitely a 'market test device' as there were NO large screen phones at the time. It was clunky as hell, while the note 2 was a wonderful phone
One arguable downside was the screen aspect ratio 'dropped' from 16:10 to 16:9, but they made the screen size bigger (5.3 to 5.5) to compensate and the overall screen size stayed the same..
I would have been nice for xiaomi to release a 'full size' 6.4 and the current 'smaller' version for people who REALLY want one handed use or whatever. I guess they don't have enough 'ceramic' capacity to do that. Really quite a shame. I imagine the screen to bezel ratio would be even higher on a larger phone.
I'm also disappointed of Xiaomi I was hoping for a smaller chin instead we've got a smaller phone without head phone jack, that's messed up yo, I'm sticking with my mix till next year when they come up with a worthy phone to upgrade to. No head phone jack? now they are copying apple on that, damn you Xiaomi,
I'm bound to get the better products developed by phone manufacturers it seems ... Oneplus One was an amazing phone and already is a legend, Mi Mix a stunning concept phone that set new grounds in the industry.
I'm glad I made the right choice 2 months ago and went for the 1st gen, instead of waiting for the next one and spend more cash for little to no improvements in what's definitely more crucial to me, i.e. screen size and battery than a better camera. Next gen SoC won't make much of a difference in daily use, since the SD821 is already a great performer. Bezels seem even larger than the 1st gen
I got the Mi MIX in pre order so roughly 10 monts ago. Time files and I still feel like I would buy it a month ago.
The new mix did not bring in anything appealing to me... Samaller screen and no amoled... Smaller battery... the only two thing I like about it more than v1 is the metal frame and OIS..
No I will not buy it.
I'm disappointed too:
No P-OLED/AMOLED
No 2k/4k screen
Smaller batterry
Smaller screen size (not critical)
No way guys
Wrong way, china guys.
Seems like the top bezel is slightly larger on the new MIX. Cost of jamming a speaker in there I guess. I'm very content with the sound on the original anyway.
Special edition without 256gb??
Like the small rounded screen corners on the first. MI MIX 2 seems to have the same wide corners as the rest of the 2017 smartphone lineup.
Was never going to upgrade now anyway. Waiting for next 8XX chip + way....waaay to happy with my MIX.
Only compromise I would be ok with on the MIX 2 is the camera hump. OIS is sweet.
I have mix and mix 2 is absolutely terrible because it doesn't look like unique phone anymore. I got tired of charging my phone every evening, so a +4000 Mah battery was a nobrainer for me to get mix, now its ughhh.
Yes, i'm very disappointed...
was hoping that could have been a decent replacement for Note 4 with promised 6.4 oled screen and 4K battery, but....
with IPS, without 3.5 jack, smaller 6.0 screen and without microsd card slot this phone is not even an option. Very sad.
Also the bezels look huge in comparison with the renders distributed by xiaomi to create hype, which has left a very disappointing feeling that you were promised one thing and offered a very different one...
at the end of the day, the phone did not meet all the hype created, and is a flop (imho)
all im gonna say is.... ill definitely stick to my original mi mix.
Because some people (maybe alot) dont accep the 6.44' size. Their cant use, cant handle it. Then Xiaomi release Mix 2 to help their product come to more people and not to kill the Mix 1, smaller screen size make Mix 1 still alive.
But...the point is...Xiaomi next step...equal to turn back into their fan. I cant accept that. I want bigger screen..!! 6.44'..!! 7..!! But not... If the screent cant bigger.? I want better camera. Yes, they update it. But not enough. I dont care about snap 835. I care about 3400Mah battery. And yes...Mix still alive. Because I will stay with my Mix. My next phone is Note 8. I have hand-on it already. "Wow.! Beautiful". That all i can say. Bye bye mix 2. We will talk again when mix 3 release.
(Sorry about my bad English. But i really..!! Really want to talk about my dissapointed)
It seems Xiaomi used the Mix 1 has a test prototype to see if the technology was feasible and if there was a demand for the bezel-less concept. Since then all the big manufacturers jumped on board too and so the Mix 2 appears to be Xiaomi's attempt to compete with a more mainstream design. This is clear from the smaller width and the use of the more traditional speaker earpiece. Unfortunately this means it no longer stands out or looks futuristic. I still love my Mix 1 but I still like to try the new models so am now on the fence whether to get the Mix 2 or the Essential. The all-ceramic limited edition is tempting as I am a sucker for build quality and advanced materials.
#1: the screen size is a matter of personal preference; you can't please everyone.
6" might be the sweet spot for me in such a package.
#2: I like the fact that Xiaomi introduced another colour & diversified the choice of materials.
It's much harder to scratch a frame, however, most Mi MIX fails were devices which fell on a corner & cracked.
This shouldn't be an issue now with the aluminum frame. Ceramic is still there where it matters - the back.
#3: the camera was an epic fail on the original MIX, & an update to the IMX386 is welcome.
#4: epic fail on the form factor: a slim phone might be easier to hold, but as difficult to handle in 1 hand mode - example: reaching the top parts of the phone.
In addition, there is little to no content in 18:9, thus leading to letterboxing & waste of screen realestate.
#5: the drop in battery capacity to 3500mAh is a huge step back.
https://9to5google.com/2018/05/28/google-pixel-3-front-panel-notch-leak/
Love the fact that they are sticking with the front facing speakers and the notch with thin bezels.
Well for me that's an ugly design... What a mistake with this bloody notch, i prefer a normal bezels and nae notches
misiokicio said:
Well for me that's an ugly design... What a mistake with this bloody notch, i prefer a normal bezels and nae notches
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All is pure speculation, maybe this is not: Google-pixel-3-display-notch-rumors/ or with this . . .
Since P supports notch, that doesn't mean that Pixel 3 will have it. You must take into account that Google will sooner or later request from manufacturers to release monthly security updates, which is good thing btw.
I think we just have to wait and see.
Hopefully, thin or no bezels, no notch, 6gb ram, 845 soc, lalalala...
I'm still with the Pixel XL....if the 3 XL has a notch I'll buy a 2 XL and hope that the 4 XL doesn't have a notch. F notches.
If the Pixel 3 XL has a notch I'm considering switching to Apple because that means even Google is just copying the iPhone
Wasn't the essential phone the first with the notch? Or are my timelines messed up.
Lol.. you can disable the notch on the amoler screens without losing battery, and Apple copied the notch from the Essential phone. I don't mind the notch frankly.
Guess I'll be sticking with the pixel 2 xl for awhile.
The only thing I think I would miss with a notch is the center clock. Other than that I can't see the big deal.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a lazy and uninspired design... I'm not a fan of the notch, but if you're going to use it for some reason, at least don't give your phone a "chin" too.
I'm convinced that notch nonsense is a fad... and I'll wait for a notchless Pixel 4 XL
I too don't see the point of a notch when you'll have that huge chin... Also, this notch seem really deep...
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F the notch
Back to the Samsung Note for me, and bonus Ill be able to get that phone in August. Its a dam shame too, I honestly thought Google had more integrity and innovation up their sleeve than to copy Apple with a trash notch. My money goes to where the innovation is taking place and this notch trend is hot garbage.
I say just keep the pixel 2 XL and wait for the pixel 4. The pixel 2 is not even a year old and we still get two major os updates after Android p. And by that time the technology for full screen displays will be there it's too early in the game for top manufacturers to take the risk and having a device flop due to issues. There are too many complications with senors and cameras to go full on immersive mode. yes the notch is pointless and basically a trend now, but we have to realize every company is going to try to implement it better and try and give us that full screen experience. It's all business at the end of the day, and I'm ok with that but the pixel 2 XL will definitely hold its own until the tech and resources are there to get rid of all bezels. We also have to take these leaks with a grain of salt because we are only heading into June, so we do have at least another 4 months to go designs can always change. Google is smart with there choices and do produce the best phones thus far with minor flaws as far as the screen quality fiasco went. But they are hands down the smoothest experience you will find with Android devices, not so much with design wise. But that's not what's important the longevity and performance that counts.
Love the notch! If the rumors are true then Pixel 3 XL ftw!
Why is everyone *****ing about the notch? Soooo essentially all you are saying is “I want black bars and less screen? The notch ALLOWS more screen real estate. You want two stero speakers, a large screen, minimal bezzles, ect ect... but why don’t you see you get SCREEN in place of black bars?
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Why is everyone *****ing about the notch? Soooo essentially all you are saying is “I want black bars and less screen? The notch ALLOWS more screen real estate. You want two stero speakers, a large screen, minimal bezzles, ect ect... but why don’t you see you get SCREEN in place of black bars?
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This. The notch adds a little bit of screen where there would otherwise be no screen. I'm glad I don't have strong feelings about it. If you've ruled out the phone because it has a notch you are probably being a little (or a lot) too weird about it. The big Pixel 3 will likely be a very nice device. Go with the notch (if it's there). It gives the phone a little something different from the usual rectangular body and rectangular screen - the same old look. I prob didn't change your mind but the P3 will be so awesome. You have 5 months to learn to like the notch.
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datchico305 said:
I say just keep the pixel 2 XL and wait for the pixel 4. The pixel 2 is not even a year old and we still get two major os updates after Android p. And by that time the technology for full screen displays will be there it's too early in the game for top manufacturers to take the risk and having a device flop due to issues. There are too many complications with senors and cameras to go full on immersive mode. yes the notch is pointless and basically a trend now, but we have to realize every company is going to try to implement it better and try and give us that full screen experience. It's all business at the end of the day, and I'm ok with that but the pixel 2 XL will definitely hold its own until the tech and resources are there to get rid of all bezels. We also have to take these leaks with a grain of salt because we are only heading into June, so we do have at least another 4 months to go designs can always change. Google is smart with there choices and do produce the best phones thus far with minor flaws as far as the screen quality fiasco went. But they are hands down the smoothest experience you will find with Android devices, not so much with design wise. But that's not what's important the longevity and performance that counts.
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You are right about the Pixel phones, they are the best of the android devices. I returned a couple P2XLs d/t display problems then when I got a good one I sold it and bought an S9+. I miss the Pixel, will be all over the next model. I am struggling waiting for the P3, can't comprehend a P4
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Why is everyone *****ing about the notch? Soooo essentially all you are saying is “I want black bars and less screen? The notch ALLOWS more screen real estate. You want two stero speakers, a large screen, minimal bezzles, ect ect... but why don’t you see you get SCREEN in place of black bars?
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This is exactly my view as well. Apple just happened to be one of the companies to introduce the notch but it was not that it was a great/innovative invention as such - it was a compromise. They had to keep some part for the sensors and stuff. So calling other companies adopting a notch as copycats is like telling that all companies earlier had a rectangle screen so everyone was copying that as well - which is stupid. The people who complain would also have complained that Apple is giving higher screen to body ratio compared to Google in case Google didn't adopt the notch.
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Why is everyone *****ing about the notch? Soooo essentially all you are saying is “I want black bars and less screen? The notch ALLOWS more screen real estate. You want two stero speakers, a large screen, minimal bezzles, ect ect... but why don’t you see you get SCREEN in place of black bars?
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Ok, what can be the added screen real estate used for? It cant even show all status bar/notification icons. You cant watch video or look at pictures because it hinders the view. Better solution would be a combination of no bezzels and some kind of smart immersive mode.