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Z3 vs Note 4 Battery and Camera

I have sony z2 i get bored of devices really quick and it's time for a upgrade. I only care for camera and battery life the most. So which out of these 2 devices you guys think will be great device for camera and battery life?
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Go check out the blind camera test comparison on Phonearena. The Note 4 did well the Z3 not so great. Consider the fact that the Note 4 and iPhone 6 and Plus all use Sony camera modules and take better pictures. The Z3 is just as capable but needs a software update to compete with them.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sams...comparison-iPhone-6-is-distant-second_id61676
As for battery life the Z3 and Note 4 are both great, however if you surf the web alot the AMOLED screen will actually use a lot more power than an LCD and also AMOLED is prone to screen burn as the organic phosphors wear out. The blue is the one affected typically having 8000 Hrs to 1/2 brightness. I have seen 2-3 month old phones with burn in (Display models are on 24 hrs at full brightness). If you are a casual user the Note 4 might be better but for heavy users you will most likely get noticable burn in before your 2 year contract is up.
This table is a bit dated and both LCD and AMOLED have come a long way but still useful.
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Overall I think the Z3 is the best option right now, I am sure they will make the camera better in the next update. I like Samsung but hate AMOLED so I am biased in a way.

Note 4 for Camera
Z3 for Battery
You shouldn't really be upgrading from a z2 unless your not bothered about spending money. The z2 is as good as the note 4 or the z3.
I personally would go for the z3 because touchwiz is just too much ontop of android wheras Sony just keep things almost stock like.
That ontop of the fact that quad hd screens are pointless. They actually have too many drawbacks like frame drops higher battery drain. They just aren't as smooth as 1080p displays yet.

If you're bored easily go for the note4. The z3 isn't that different from the z2 and unfortunately sony screws up with the camera software (and there is no reason to believe they'll improve it that much given the past.) Note4 wins on camera overall imo.
Z3 wins in battery but note4 shouldbdo fine there as well...

abhinav.tella said:
Go check out the blind camera test comparison on Phonearena. The Note 4 did well the Z3 not so great. Consider the fact that the Note 4 and iPhone 6 and Plus all use Sony camera modules and take better pictures. The Z3 is just as capable but needs a software update to compete with them.
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I don't agree. Also, it's true Sony makes all of the sensors, but the Z3 camera uses a 1/2.3" sensor whereas the others use a 1/3" sensor
Are you basing you opinion off of one review site? I don't think that's a good assessment.

se1000 said:
I don't agree. Also, it's true Sony makes all of the sensors, but the Z3 camera uses a 1/2.3" sensor whereas the others use a 1/3" sensor
Are you basing you opinion off of one review site? I don't think that's a good assessment.
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That link was only a blind camera comparison not a phone review by the way.
I mean Note is not bad at all but for me AMOLED kills it. I keep 2 year contracts so I get OCD about burn in lol. Just my opinion by the way.
Battery life varies based on what you use it for, webpages LCD is much better, videos oled.... LCD of current generation are getting close to oleds in efficiency in videos etc.

Battery: Z3 better about 1-1.5h Screen on time
Camera: Note 4 better accept extreme low light.
Samsung TW heavier, lagger but much more functions.
Note 4 will have much more custom Roms, Kernels, Mods so you will improve battery with after next some months.

Zanr Zij said:
Battery: Z3 better about 1-1.5h Screen on time
Camera: Note 4 better accept extreme low light.
Samsung TW heavier, lagger but much more functions.
Note 4 will have much more custom Roms, Kernels, Mods so you will improve battery with after next some months.
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Don't forget to write note 4 snapdragon variant
Exynos is famous for bad development

darkrai said:
Don't forget to write note 4 snapdragon variant
Exynos is famous for bad development
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I believe this time will change. Exynos variant will have much more development due to better CPU performance, 64bit suppport promising

Zanr Zij said:
I believe this time will change. Exynos variant will have much more development due to better CPU performance, 64bit suppport promising
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Never did happen with older sammy phones
Z3 is much better than exynos n4 in battery and is as good as snapdragon n4
In display, no phone can beat note 4 in it (except brightness)
I prefer z3's camera over note 4

darkrai said:
Never did happen with older sammy phones
Z3 is much better than exynos n4 in battery and is as good as snapdragon n4
In display, no phone can beat note 4 in it (except brightness)
I prefer z3's camera over note 4
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I already used Snap N4 a week. I'm sure that Z3 battery better, atleast 1h SoT.
Display: N4 is not the best, of course very good. It has a bit yellow tint. I compared N4 next to Dell UltraSharp calibrated.
It also is not good for your eyes due to too high contrast.

The Note 4's 16MP rear camera flaunts the fastest focusing speed owing to its latest ISOCELL sensor technology which is boosted by Galaxy S5's phase-detection auto-focus capability.
The new Note 4 also features optical image stabilisation feature for its rear camera and a 3.7MP front camera for capturing selfies as well as full HD video recording at 30fps.
In contrast, the Xperia Z3 sports an imposing 20.7MP rear camera with 8x digital zoom and 3x clear image zoom, and a compact 2.2MP front camera for capturing 1080p (Full HD) video at 30fps.

inaya45 said:
The Note 4's 16MP rear camera flaunts the fastest focusing speed owing to its latest ISOCELL sensor technology which is boosted by Galaxy S5's phase-detection auto-focus capability.
The new Note 4 also features optical image stabilisation feature for its rear camera and a 3.7MP front camera for capturing selfies as well as full HD video recording at 30fps.
In contrast, the Xperia Z3 sports an imposing 20.7MP rear camera with 8x digital zoom and 3x clear image zoom, and a compact 2.2MP front camera for capturing 1080p (Full HD) video at 30fps.
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Note 4 uses a Sony module, the GS5 uses ISOCELL.

abhinav.tella said:
Note 4 uses a Sony module, the GS5 uses ISOCELL.
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Note 4 sensor: Sony on Snapdragon, ISOCELL on Exynos.

Zanr Zij said:
Note 4 sensor: Sony on Snapdragon, ISOCELL on Exynos.
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My bad, thanks for the info.

Photo Samples - Blind Comparison - Results are in!

I got a chance to play with the Galaxy S7 for a while at Best Buy this morning. Amazing device! Anyways, I thought it would be fun to create a little blind photo comparison between the S7 and another phone that I will not name yet. I took the same seven photos with each camera and they are randomized here. First review all of the photos and write down which letter, A or B, you think looks better for each photo number, and then submit your answers in the poll. When we've received a decent number of votes, I'll reveal what the other phone was and which phone took each photo and tally up a winner. Enjoy!
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Now that a fairly clear pattern has emerged, I think it's safe to tally the results. I really don't think these results would change significantly from this point, although now that I'm revealing which is which you'll have to take future poll changes with a grain of salt because fanboys for either phone could come in and vote based on the phone they like and not the photos.
The other phone was a Nexus 5X.
Results:
1) Tie (S7 12 - 5X 11)
2) Galaxy S7 (2A) wins (22 - 3)
3) Galaxy S7 (3B) wins (14 - 8)
4) Galaxy S7 (4A) wins (13 - 9)
5) Nexus 5X (5A) wins (20 - 1)
6) Nexus 5X (6A) wins (16 - 6)
7) Tie (S7 11 - 5X 11)
Total votes: (Basically a tie)
Galaxy S7: 79
Nexus 5X: 78
Doesn't get much closer than that. I would say these two phones are pretty evenly matched in this particular scenario. However, results could be different in other scenarios such as low light or outdoors in natural light. Also, it's worth mentioning that the Galaxy S7 focused and took photos much faster than the Nexus 5X, which is a big factor for a lot of people, and the camera app of the S7 is obviously leaps and bounds better and a joy to use, so you really have to give a slight nod to the S7 even though the end photos were about on par.
The shots from the Galaxy S7 are 1A, 2A, 3B, 4A, 5B, 6B, and 7A.
The shots from the Nexus 5X are 1B, 2B, 3A, 4B, 5A, 6A, and 7B, obviously haha.

1a-1b = same
2a-2b = the same
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5a
6b (but very very yellow)
7a

Canard caché said:
1a-1b = same
2a-2b = the same
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6b (but very very yellow)
7a
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I decided a poll might be a better way to compile the data, so you might want to enter your answers in that.

Honestly there isn't a big difference between any of the photos except of course for shots number 5. What it all comes down to is low-light photography, and how fast you can launch the camera and focus (not missing the shot is the important part; almost any decent high-end phone these days can take a good daylight photo).

Very difficult to choose the best however I noticed that the ones which are more lighter-whiter has slightly less detail or more distortion when I "deep" zoomed the pictures! But it is very very slightly and it is only for reference, not that it matters to me.I did put my vote but if I had an option to vote "No winner" , that will be an instant fairer vote than what I did now!

Toss3 said:
Honestly there isn't a big difference between any of the photos except of course for shots number 5. What it all comes down to is low-light photography, and how fast you can launch the camera and focus (not missing the shot is the important part; almost any decent high-end phone these days can take a good daylight photo).
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so it s not so good?

Most of these require you to look closely at the full size images to really spot a difference - and even then not always easy. Can't wait for the reveal to find out which is which, but a clear trend on the preferred results already.

Canard caché said:
so it s not so good?
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For daylight photos it's no better than the Note 4, G4, S6, S6 Edge, iPhone 6, iPhone 6S, etc., but we pretty much knew that already. What really interests me, and I'm sure many others, is how well it does in low-light situations.

Toss3 said:
For daylight photos it's no better than the Note 4, G4, S6, S6 Edge, iPhone 6, iPhone 6S, etc., but we pretty much knew that already. What really interests me, and I'm sure many others, is how well it does in low-light situations.
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yeah but even if s7 have a superb low light threatment (even what i saw didnt convince at all: you have the same with s6 and post threatment), if the "normal" conditions are blurry, with yellow filter and too much deformations, that not worth it...?

Canard caché said:
yeah but even if s7 have a superb low light threatment (even what i saw didnt convince at all: you have the same with s6 and post threatment), if the "normal" conditions are blurry, with yellow filter and too much deformations, that not worth it...?
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We'll see when the reviews are out. Pretty sure it's going to be a relatively good performer in low-light as far as smartphones are concerned (think samsung should start increasing the size of the sensor to make the photos actually look decent). Thinking about getting a really compact DSLR instead with a fixed lens instead as my Note 4 already takes pretty good photos, and the S7 isn't going to do much better (much faster sure, but pictures from an actual camera just look so much better).

Toss3 said:
We'll see when the reviews are out. Pretty sure it's going to be a relatively good performer in low-light as far as smartphones are concerned (think samsung should start increasing the size of the sensor to make the photos actually look decent). Thinking about getting a really compact DSLR instead with a fixed lens instead as my Note 4 already takes pretty good photos, and the S7 isn't going to do much better (much faster sure, but pictures from an actual camera just look so much better).
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oh i don't want a dslr... i just want something better than my s6... and so far, it's not the case at all...

Canard caché said:
oh i don't want a dslr... i just want something better than my s6... and so far, it's not the case at all...
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Pretty sure the S7 is going to be better than the S6, but not by much. You probably want to wait a year or two before upgrading, becasue there is only so much you can do with sensors at this size. The S6 already has a damn good smartphone camera and I'm not sure why you would want to switch so soon, when the differences aren't that big (if any). Looking at the Fuji X-M1 and 35mm F1.4mm lens currently, and pretty sure it would massacre any phone, and it really isn't that big.

Toss3 said:
Pretty sure the S7 is going to be better than the S6, but not by much. You probably want to wait a year or two before upgrading, becasue there is only so much you can do with sensors at this size. The S6 already has a damn good smartphone camera and I'm not sure why you would want to switch so soon, when the differences aren't that big (if any). Looking at the Fuji X-M1 and 35mm F1.4mm lens currently, and pretty sure it would massacre any phone, and it really isn't that big.
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i have a pro compact so it's not the point here...

Canard caché said:
i have a pro compact so it's not the point here...
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I know, just pointing out that if you want something significantly better than the S6, the S7 isn't it. Which compact do you have? Got to try out the S7 today at the store, and wasn't that impressed.

Toss3 said:
Got to try out the S7 today at the store, and wasn't that impressed.
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i have to try too...

Now that a fairly clear pattern has emerged, I think it's safe to tally the results. I really don't think these results would change significantly from this point, although now that I'm revealing which is which you'll have to take future poll changes with a grain of salt because fanboys for either phone could come in and vote based on the phone they like and not the photos.
The other phone was a Nexus 5X.
Results:
1) Tie (S7 12 - 5X 11)
2) Galaxy S7 (2A) wins (22 - 3)
3) Galaxy S7 (3B) wins (14 - 8)
4) Galaxy S7 (4A) wins (13 - 9)
5) Nexus 5X (5A) wins (20 - 1)
6) Nexus 5X (6A) wins (16 - 6)
7) Tie (S7 11 - 5X 11)
Total votes: (Basically a tie)
Galaxy S7: 79
Nexus 5X: 78
Doesn't get much closer than that. I would say these two phones are pretty evenly matched in this particular scenario. However, results could be different in other scenarios such as low light or outdoors in natural light. Also, it's worth mentioning that the Galaxy S7 focused and took photos much faster than the Nexus 5X, which is a big factor for a lot of people, and the camera app of the S7 is obviously leaps and bounds better and a joy to use, so you really have to give a slight nod to the S7 even though the end photos were about on par.
The shots from the Galaxy S7 are 1A, 2A, 3B, 4A, 5B, 6B, and 7A.
The shots from the Nexus 5X are 1B, 2B, 3A, 4B, 5A, 6A, and 7B, obviously haha.

How did you get to play and take pictures with the LG5? Was there a demo at Best Buy as well? I'm going there today and I will judge for myself. I did my pre-order in already for the S7 Edge. Moving up from the Note 4.

Kilroy672 said:
How did you get to play and take pictures with the LG5? Was there a demo at Best Buy as well? I'm going there today and I will judge for myself. I did my pre-order in already for the S7 Edge. Moving up from the Note 4.
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I didn't. This is a comparison between the Galaxy S7 and Nexus 5X.

gtg465x said:
I didn't. This is a comparison between the Galaxy S7 and Nexus 5X.
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I'm sorry, I missed that. All I saw was 5 and was thinking LG5...:silly:

If you are a human and not a Simpson`s character (pic 5B), the white balance is so off. Ugly yellow cast on almost all s7 photos. I hoped some of the pics, that turned out to be the 5X, was the new Galaxy. I was looking to upgrade my s6Edge with the S7, but for now I cant justify it regarding picture quality.
Other low light pics I`ve seen also give an heavy oil painting effect and little detail.
Its still early. Things can change with software updates. Thanks to O.P for a great post!

Should I swap my huawei p8?

I have been offered a Xperia Z5 compact for the P8 (not lite)
What would you guys say?
What advantages/disadvantages are there on each device?

There are my toughts at first sight:
Sony:
-Better CPU
-Better update Support
-Smaller display (4.6)
-rain resistant
Huawei:
-more RAM (2gb vs 3 gb)
-a little more battery
-higher ressolution (HD vs full HD)
-full metal body
-better price
-i dont have Z5 but i thing it has not that good camera

Sony also has much lighter and smoother skin. 23MPix camera records much better videos. P8 may have more RAM but because of very aggressive memory management you wouldn't use even 2GB.

majaczos said:
Sony also has much lighter and smoother skin. 23MPix camera records much better videos. P8 may have more RAM but because of very aggressive memory management you wouldn't use even 2GB.
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Every modern smartphone has aggresive memory since their power incredibly rise every year but bettery capacities are still the same (Samsung S5 started this trend if i remember good), if you didnt have ram management you would be out of juice in half of day, also, you can dissable hibernation of apps in power management. What do you think about lighter skin? do you mean that custom android skin? to be honest, marshmallow has improved emuis speed very nice, but yeah, stock android of sony is a little ligher. In the case of camera, megapixels are not important at all. In Z5, you dont have RGBW sensor, so when youll want to take a shot agains sun or in bright conditions, this will be big downgrade in quality. Bigger ressolution does mean nothing when you have too dark or too bright photos and dont forget, Z5 has not Optic sabilisation too. Its up to you, whats your priorities in smartphone using, its pretty easy decision, if you dont mind lower screen size with noticable lower resolution, worse camera and lower ram, you can think about swapping. Me personally would probably stay with p8 because of camera, better body construction, i dont mind that CPU is a bit quicker then huaweis, and also DTS is better than clear audio too

agree with 00471
you will not use more than 10 mp with p8 camera

majaczos said:
Sony also has much lighter and smoother skin. 23MPix camera records much better videos. P8 may have more RAM but because of very aggressive memory management you wouldn't use even 2GB.
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No OIS on Z5, that means super shaky videos.

Short answer, P8 all the way. I think we got more updates than Sony. Even if i was offered the P9 i wouldn't take it over the P8.

5.2 inch vs 4.6..are u crazy )) and p8 is 3 time more beautiful device ..and may br here is not the right (objectively) place to ask that..i mean probably if you are asking in the xperia section they will tell you something different ..becouse they like xperia..we like huawei

P8 may have bigger battery but it also has worse battery life.
@00471
Every phone has some sort of RAM management, thing is - Huawei's one is the most aggressive. When display goes off it kills everything in the RAM. Whatever you're doing, go for pee, make a sandwich, whetever - all apps will reload. No other Android skin does that. Worse - you can't turn it off, all you can do is to lock every single app in the multitasking menu.
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No OIS on Z5, that means super shaky videos.
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OIS means very wobbly videos with very strong jelly effect on the sides. Z5 has excellent digital stabilization which works much better than any OIS (especially while shooting in 1080p). Recording videos is where every single Huawei fails because of low bitrate (=little details) and pretty bad processing. Even P9 records terrible videos.
Rashad83 said:
Short answer, P8 all the way. I think we got more updates than Sony. Even if i was offered the P9 i wouldn't take it over the P8.
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Huawei is the worst company in the world in terms of updates. Their 2014 flagship (P7) will never get Marshmallow, P8 is still on Lollipop and it may get an update somewhere between May and June. Or later. And it will be the last update for this phone. Even Samsung is better than Huawei.

majaczos said:
P8 may have bigger battery but it also has worse battery life.
@00471
Every phone has some sort of RAM management, thing is - Huawei's one is the most aggressive. When display goes off it kills everything in the RAM. Whatever you're doing, go for pee, make a sandwich, whetever - all apps will reload. No other Android skin does that. Worse - you can't turn it off, all you can do is to lock every single app in the multitasking menu.
OIS means very wobbly videos with very strong jelly effect on the sides. Z5 has excellent digital stabilization which works much better than any OIS (especially while shooting in 1080p). Recording videos is where every single Huawei fails because of low bitrate (=little details) and pretty bad processing. Even P9 records terrible videos.
Huawei is the worst company in the world in terms of updates. Their 2014 flagship (P7) will never get Marshmallow, P8 is still on Lollipop and it may get an update somewhere between May and June. Or later. And it will be the last update for this phone. Even Samsung is better than Huawei.
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Yes they are, but still p8 is much better device than Sony compact, and marshmallow is already released for like 2-3 weeks and don't forget, custom Roms are coming, aosp is in development, then there is one fantastic chinese stock based Rom that is already in process of porting for Europe (thanks to both autors)
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majaczos said:
P8 may have bigger battery but it also has worse battery life.
@00471
Every phone has some sort of RAM management, thing is - Huawei's one is the most aggressive. When display goes off it kills everything in the RAM. Whatever you're doing, go for pee, make a sandwich, whetever - all apps will reload. No other Android skin does that. Worse - you can't turn it off, all you can do is to lock every single app in the multitasking menu.
OIS means very wobbly videos with very strong jelly effect on the sides. Z5 has excellent digital stabilization which works much better than any OIS (especially while shooting in 1080p). Recording videos is where every single Huawei fails because of low bitrate (=little details) and pretty bad processing. Even P9 records terrible videos.
Huawei is the worst company in the world in terms of updates. Their 2014 flagship (P7) will never get Marshmallow, P8 is still on Lollipop and it may get an update somewhere between May and June. Or later. And it will be the last update for this phone. Even Samsung is better than Huawei.
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You really don't know what you are talking about!. Please don't lump sum your opinions of a certain device "which i don't know which Huawei device you had actually tested instead of reading about" and promulgate it as if it is truth. Every device should be treated like a special case and can't speak for the whole brand because you haven't tested every device from that brand.
Clearly you haven't played enough with a huawei device to appreciate it especially the latest models, i have had the P8 since October last year and i have had 5 updates since then tell me how many brands have given that?, our device is one of the first devices to test marshmallow before any major brands. The beta marshmallow has been released a couple of months ago http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/ota-update-gra-l09-android-6-0-t3268757 and the official one has been released 2+ weeks ago for just my version. Granted not to all regions at the same time or all the different versions of P8 but still better than others.
OIS means Opticial Image Stabilization you can't compare it to a digital one even if there are better implementations of it on some devices like the Sony Z5 and the Nexus 6p. You can tell the difference when taking or shooting night shots between digital and OIS.

@Rashad83
You're so judgmental. How do you know which device I do and don't have? For your information - I'm running Huawei P8 as my daily driver for a couple of months now. I own one and I'm basing my judgements on my own experience with this phone. I got one update - to B200. It's still 5.0.1 Lollipop (it's not the latest even for Lollipop!). I don't care when they started beta tests altough they weren't all that early (and beta tests don't really matter) - competiton was updating their flagships to Marshmallow already. There's only one thing that matters - ALL other manufacturers updated their 2015 flagships already, many of them managed to release Marshmallow for 2014 flagships as well. Huawei's 2015 flagship may get Marshmallow in a few months, their 2014 flagship won't get it at all. Huawei is the worst company in the world in terms of updates.
I'm not talking about the night shots but videos. OIS means crappy and wobbly videos. Z5 is recording one of the best clips in the world, their Steady Shot EIS does wonders. OIS should help in night shots but Huawei isn't all that great here either - there's crazy amount of noise. Here's my creation - white ceiling during cloudy day:
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Pink spot in the middle and crazy amount of digital noise. Camera literally lost it, OIS didn't help at all. It was 2pm!
00471 said:
Yes they are, but still p8 is much better device than Sony compact, and marshmallow is already released for like 2-3 weeks and don't forget, custom Roms are coming, aosp is in development, then there is one fantastic chinese stock based Rom that is already in process of porting for Europe (thanks to both autors)
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It's not better, it has its own issues. Custom ROMs? For Kirin? All three of them? Chinese stock ROM is not all that different than international one. Marshmallow is still in beta, it may be released in a month or two from now. Thing is - all major producers already updated their 2015 flagships, most of them did the same for their 2014 flagships.

majaczos said:
@Rashad83
You're so judgmental. How do you know which device I do and don't have? For your information - I'm running Huawei P8 as my daily driver for a couple of months now. I own one and I'm basing my judgements on my own experience with this phone. I got one update - to B200. It's still 5.0.1 Lollipop (it's not the latest even for Lollipop!). I don't care when they started beta tests altough they weren't all that early (and beta tests don't really matter) - competiton was updating their flagships to Marshmallow already. There's only one thing that matters - ALL other manufacturers updated their 2015 flagships already, many of them managed to release Marshmallow for 2014 flagships as well. Huawei's 2015 flagship may get Marshmallow in a few months, their 2014 flagship won't get it at all. Huawei is the worst company in the world in terms of updates.
I'm not talking about the night shots but videos. OIS means crappy and wobbly videos. Z5 is recording one of the best clips in the world, their Steady Shot EIS does wonders. OIS should help in night shots but Huawei isn't all that great here either - there's crazy amount of noise. Here's my creation - white ceiling during cloudy day:
Pink spot in the middle and crazy amount of digital noise. Camera literally lost it, OIS didn't help at all. It was 2pm!
It's not better, it has its own issues. Custom ROMs? For Kirin? All three of them? Chinese stock ROM is not all that different than international one. Marshmallow is still in beta, it may be released in a month or two from now. Thing is - all major producers already updated their 2015 flagships, most of them did the same for their 2014 flagships.
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Well, i got different feeling about the p8. About that shot you posted, it looks too noisy compared to mine photos, look at attachment (taken in dark room). That chinesse is very good tweaked compared to stock, it has many functions from CM but yea, its still stock based so if you dont like EMUI, you wont like that either. IOS makes big difference in photos, i tested it myself, the image is much more steady and photos are sharper, and about support, i agree, huawei is worst company in matter of updates and support itself, but seriously, you got something wrong with your camera, never had that bad shot even in night

One more thing - look how beautiful display P8 has:
Contrast may be good on papier and good for reviews because it's decent only at some angles. Other than that there's a very strong negative effect. That's how it looks on a white wall:

DxO Mark Score

So, did the DxO Partnership help ? Haven't seen the score ANYWHERE... Not even OP marketing..

ceebu said:
So, did the DxO Partnership help ? Haven't seen the score ANYWHERE... Not even OP marketing..
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I might be wrong but it seems to me that DxO still hasn't tested the OP5.
And, in fact OP doesn't even mention DxO when they announced the OP5 so maybe they dropped the partnership before announcement.

alex9898 said:
And, in fact OP doesn't even mention DxO when they announced the OP5 so maybe they dropped the partnership before announcement.
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That's what I was surprised about ... They claimed focus on camera, claimed partnership.. my guess is either the score was low so they didn't publish or they dropped the partnership..
I thought Pixel DXO score was released before the phone released.. so I doubt the performance not being upto par for OP5 for not releasing the details.

ceebu said:
That's what I was surprised about ... They claimed focus on camera, claimed partnership.. my guess is either the score was low so they didn't publish or they dropped the partnership..
I thought Pixel DXO score was released before the phone released.. so I doubt the performance not being upto par for OP5 for not releasing the details.
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I take 5 minutes to search a little and I'm pretty confident that the partnership is over (and I even have doubt that there really was one to begin with, but that's only my opinion, I have no facts to support this)
First of all, DxO never announced the partnership. Only OP did it while ordinary, DxO seems to announce when they partner with other companies.
And secondly, their is no sign of OP on the partner page of DxO.
So I see no reason to think the partnership is still running.
Edit : Note that the OP5 is still not officially released so maybe we might have a surprise when sells begin on the 27th.
But I doubt it since the embargo is already over.

From their forums:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...ecrets-shoot-with-dxo-and-visit-delhi.538332/
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Shooting with DXO
We’ve always thought of photography as one of the most important aspects of any smartphone. In recent years, we’ve made great strides in lifting our cameras to a new standard. But, sometimes the best way to move forward is by joining forces with a partner who truly knows what they’re doing. French-based DXO has long been known for their keen understanding of photography in all of its shapes and sizes. With their help, we’re confident we can deliver a truly outstanding photography experience with the OnePlus 5.
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ceebu said:
From their forums:
https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/...ecrets-shoot-with-dxo-and-visit-delhi.538332/
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Shooting with DXO
We’ve always thought of photography as one of the most important aspects of any smartphone. In recent years, we’ve made great strides in lifting our cameras to a new standard. But, sometimes the best way to move forward is by joining forces with a partner who truly knows what they’re doing. French-based DXO has long been known for their keen understanding of photography in all of its shapes and sizes. With their help, we’re confident we can deliver a truly outstanding photography experience with the OnePlus 5.
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Yeah, I know that OP announced that they will partner with DxO but don't you find strange that DxO never released any statements on this subject ?
Usually, both partners make PR to announce that they will work together but this time only one of them did it while the other just said nothing.
Plus, this is the first time that DxO works with a manufacturer to make a camera in a smartphone which is a serious step forward for them. I find very surprising that they don't talk AT ALL about it.
If I have to guess, I would say that OP just brought some algorithm and/or software from DxO and that they call it "partnership".
Again, I have no evidence that I'm right but the situation is, at least, very very surprising.

alex9898 said:
First of all, DxO never announced the partnership.
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No, of course not... lol

And who cares - the DxO test are just bollocks As meaningless as synthetic benchmarks for the phone

So lying is ok for ya all?

Klanac89 said:
So lying is ok for ya all?
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OP tends to lie about a lot of things. They probably never really had a partnership.

I will have to stop taking DxO Mark seriously if they still rate OP5 high. This is how it compares with 2015 Samsung S6 in low light.
Google Drive - OnePlus 5 vs Samsung S6 low light

easycure1974 said:
And who cares - the DxO test are just bollocks As meaningless as synthetic benchmarks for the phone
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DxO is pretty bad these days but the rubbish One Plus is coming out with, cheating at bench marks, hyping up their poor camera etc is 100x worse!
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madnav said:
I will have to stop taking DxO Mark seriously if they still rate OP5 high. This is how it compares with 2015 Samsung S6 in low light.
Google Drive - OnePlus 5 vs Samsung S6 low light
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Wow! Not good.
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madnav said:
I will have to stop taking DxO Mark seriously if they still rate OP5 high. This is how it compares with 2015 Samsung S6 in low light.
Google Drive - OnePlus 5 vs Samsung S6 low light
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Wow! Not good.

The Camera will surely improve over time, just give them a few more weeks/months to improve the software

Just wait Oneplus 6 is gonna have a ground breaking camera!!
Starting the hype train early!!

worldsoutro said:
Just wait Oneplus 6 is gonna have a ground breaking camera!!
Starting the hype train early!!
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OnePlus will launch OP 5T with camera corrections; just like 3T was launched with updated front cam and more battery. This way they can increase prices twice a year. Who would want to give up opportunity to milk customers twice a year!!
On a serious note regarding camera; and for people hoping for camera to be improved with updates:
The EXIF data in those images (in my previous post) can tell you how much OnePlus 5 is struggling in low light.
ISO is way up in those images; that is a sign that the software improvement will have to be ground breaking. You can see sample 4 comparison where I have set OP5 at same ISO and Shutter as S6 to know how much improvement it would actually take to make it matter.

B3501 said:
DxO is pretty bad these days but the rubbish One Plus is coming out with, cheating at bench marks, hyping up their poor camera etc is 100x worse!
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Wow! Not good.
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I don't defend OP but I could not care less about DxO. Totally worthless reviews and just plain crap. Cant understand that they become some sort of standard in camera benchmarks in phones

madnav said:
OnePlus will launch OP 5T with camera corrections; just like 3T was launched with updated front cam and more battery. This way they can increase prices twice a year. Who would want to give up opportunity to milk customers twice a year!!
On a serious note regarding camera; and for people hoping for camera to be improved with updates:
The EXIF data in those images (in my previous post) can tell you how much OnePlus 5 is struggling in low light.
ISO is way up in those images; that is a sign that the software improvement will have to be ground breaking. You can see sample 4 comparison where I have set OP5 at same ISO and Shutter as S6 to know how much improvement it would actually take to make it matter.
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I have a feeling you are spot on about the 5T. I can see this being my last Oneplus device

madnav said:
OnePlus will launch OP 5T with camera corrections; just like 3T was launched with updated front cam and more battery. This way they can increase prices twice a year. Who would want to give up opportunity to milk customers twice a year!!
On a serious note regarding camera; and for people hoping for camera to be improved with updates:
The EXIF data in those images (in my previous post) can tell you how much OnePlus 5 is struggling in low light.
ISO is way up in those images; that is a sign that the software improvement will have to be ground breaking. You can see sample 4 comparison where I have set OP5 at same ISO and Shutter as S6 to know how much improvement it would actually take to make it matter.
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They're using a small pixel sensor again with the OP5, of course it'll struggle in low light. It's like they've said they're improving the camera and not actually done anything. No amount of software updates will fix the small sensors, not only that but it doesn't have OIS so the longer shutter time needed will cause blurring.

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They're using a small pixel sensor again with the OP5, of course it'll struggle in low light. It's like they've said they're improving the camera and not actually done anything. No amount of software updates will fix the small sensors, not only that but it doesn't have OIS so the longer shutter time needed will cause blurring.
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Just to put it into perspective for others:
1. Both Samsung S6 and OnePlus 5 use 16MP sensors with pixel size 1.12uM.
2. Samsung S6 sensor is 16:9 format while OnePlus 5 is 4:3; which means that in actual Samsung S6 has a larger sensor (1/2.6") compared to Oneplus 5 (1/2.8")
3. Samsung S6 is using f/1.9 while OnePlus 5 is using wider f/1.7; that is not even an f-stop apart; but apart enough to make a huge difference under low light conditions and for creating shallow depth of field.
4. Samsung S6 comes with OIS while OnePlus 5 comes with EIS. OIS is a hardware technology which is always active. It helps offset for minute vibrations and shakes (usually our hands) by stabilising the lens. EIS on the other hand is a post-processing technology; it comes in to picture (pun intended) only after light/data has been captured by sensor. This makes EIS completely useless for still photographs. EIS being post-processing it takes a toll on CPU (or image processor if your phone one dedicated); this is the reason why OnePlus 5 doesn't offer EIS on 1080p 60fps and 4k since those 2 modes have substantially more data (bitrate) than 1080p 30fps. OnePlus clearly chose to offer smoother UI experience over good recording experience here.
5. Under similar conditions, Samsung S6 is producing better images than OnePlus 5 at an ISO level that is 1/4th of that used by OnePlus 5; this again is apart by 2 f-stops.
Even if we discard the advantage OnePlus 5 has with a wider aperture; Samsung S6 is still beating it by more than 2 f-stops.
If any OEM is able to improve image by 2 f-stops just by software processing then rest assured Google/Apple/Samsung will bet their future on it.
In my personal opinion though, OnePlus should have focused on getting best sensors (last year's 12-12.3MP large pixel sensors) with OIS instead of going for gimmicky Zoom and Portrait mode. hTC did the same with U11 and that phone is rocking a great camera performance. Other option was to use a BW sensor for achieving better low light performance (like Huawei does).
EDIT: Added point 4 for OIS and EIS

madnav said:
Just to put it into perspective for others:
1. Both Samsung S6 and OnePlus 5 use 16MP sensors with pixel size 1.12uM.
2. Samsung S6 sensor is 16:9 format while OnePlus 5 is 4:3; which means that in actual Samsung S6 has a larger sensor (1/2.6") compared to Oneplus 5 (1/2.8")
3. Samsung S6 is using f/1.9 while OnePlus 5 is using wider f/1.7; that is not even an f-stop apart; but apart enough to make a huge difference under low light conditions and for creating shallow depth of field.
4. Under similar conditions, Samsung S6 is producing better images than OnePlus 5 at an ISO level that is 1/4th of that used by OnePlus 5; this again is apart by 2 f-stops.
Even if we discard the advantage OnePlus 5 has with a wider aperture; Samsung S6 is still beating it by more than 2 f-stops.
If any OEM is able to improve image by 2 f-stops just by software processing then rest assured Google/Apple/Samsung will bet their future on it.
In my personal opinion though, OnePlus should have focused on getting best sensors (last year's 12-12.3MP large pixel sensors) with OIS instead of going for gimmicky Zoom and Portrait mode. hTC did the same with U11 and that phone is rocking a great camera performance. Other option was to use a BW sensor for achieving better low light performance (like Huawei does).
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Part of booth Googles and nowadays Samsung's magic is hidden in software like hdr+. I can imagine the same technics would have done wonder even on a small scale sensor like the op5's.
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OPPO Find X5, Step 3: Let's move to the review Part 3

Hello Everyone,
The last part with my final thoughts.
The first one is here.
The second here
The third one is this thread.
Camera
For the camera review. First, 2 weeks of snow, rain, wind, cold weather. Not the best for going outside, taking pictures without gloves, or having incredible scenery to shoot.
So, I will go further later.
But so far, I am still trying to understand why the primary camera is only 6P when the UW is 7P. And why only 110° for UW. And why only 5P for Telephoto. And why no x4 optical zoom. And why only 2 axis stabilization? And where is the microscope lens from the X3.
And why an additional imaging NPU when nobody uses all the functionalities of the triple Snapdragon ISP?
Okay, it's a lot of why? But if you come from the X3 series, you will definitely ask yourself these questions and see if the X5 is worth the update.
Spoiler alert: I won't be able to answer that.
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First, the MariSilicon AKA Imaging NPU:
4K Ultra (AI) Night Video
Ultra HDR
Hasselblad science
18 TOPS for AI Computing (11.6Tops/W)
20Bits Dynamic Range
Realtime RAW
The MariSilicon is made of a NPU, an ISP and a Memory Subsystem (8.5GB/S DDR).
It should be 20x faster than the ISP From the X3 Pro (meaning the ISP from SD 888). But Denoise (Noise Reduction Algorithm). They compare the 20Bits vs the 18Bits from SD888 bringing more contrast and brightness + a RGBW Pro Mode.
Okay, SD888 has three 18Bits ISP, got a Scalar, Tensor, and Vector Units, can process 0.1 lux video, capture 4K HDR videos, got AI-Based AF and Auto Exposure, got 26 TOPS of power processing.
​So, on the paper, I'm pretty confuse. Okay, it's the trend, Google with its Tensor, Xiaomi with its C1 and soon C2, OPPO with MariSilicon, and VIVO with its V1…
Okay, it might help OEMs dev bring the same libraries and computational algorithms to whatever the SOC you use from Qualcomm to Unisoc via Mediatek and don't care about their ISP capacity, from mid-range to premium flagship.
But you need to feed them, with data, scenarios, and for now, it's only on the X5 and X5 Pro under Qualcomm and even the Mediatek variant doesn't have it.
So, so far, is MariSilicon working at 100% of its efficiency?
I don't know the same, but I don't think so. New technology always needs at least half a year in the wild to be better. It should be interesting to redo all the tests in September or before the end of the year with all the updates done in between.
Concerning the app, you will find the usual modes like Night, Video, Pro, Photo (AI, HDR, and 50Mp), Portrait, and the extra ones like Pano, Movie, Slo-Mo, Time Lapse, Long Exposure, Dual Video, Sticker (kill me), Text Scanner and the Hasselblad XPAN Mode.
For the XPAN mode, you have a color or black and white option, even if you don't have any B&W dedicated sensor. So, you will only have the 42/45mm mode and not the 30mm (for now, who knows).
For the color's restitution, we are close to the one in the OP9 Pro under Oxygen OS 11, meaning good even perfect for many users of this device. However, as usual, different lens construction, different aperture… meaning different color restitution between UW, Wide, and Tele…
And guess what, because the UW got a better construction lens, the photos taken with it are better than many flagships. And that's something that drives me crazy. If the UW would have a f/1.8 7P and the primary camera also the same thing (or even better a f/1.7), the Sony IMX 766 potential might have been exploited. But let's remember, we just received one and only update so far. And usually, there is always a gap, for the best or the worst, after a few OTAs.
Now, if I had to compare… Xiaomi is offering way more options, including for Vloggers and Bloggers, different long exposure modes or even videos modes (movies effects such as magic zoom, time freeze, // worlds, etc.), 8K, and Google a better computational AI and tech for skin restitution, portrait, night shots (plus an x4 optical zoom).
If OPPO can include functionalities from them or compete with them, Bingo.
Here are some pictures taken below. No fancy photography, no artistic one, at first, I try the phone as 90% of us, you take out of your pocket, you point and shoot, that's it, ready to go in your IG, WhatsApp group, or to your mom.
The folder with untouched pictures (and more shots) is here.
And don't get me wrong, I am one of those who think before having a cutting edge DLSR or Camera, know first how to shoot, compose your scene, and have a vision. It's not because you have a fancy camera you will take fantastic shots.
So far, excluding what the NPU is marketed for (Ultra Night Video, Photos, and so on, I will continue to shoot at night when the weather and the conditions are available), it's a good camera… for early 2021. So far, I will say my OP9 Pro or P6 Pro or Mi 10 Pro or Smartphone for Snapdragon Insiders are doing the job precisely the same or even better.
So, what are the plans here?
Take pictures at night, people, colors, landscape, city
Use the Movie Mode and do the same also at night
Having a clear sky at night to see the moon and shoot it.
Post some samples.
Play with long exposure for light painting or even taillights.
Battery
I talked earlier about the battery life or the super power saving mode and not having an issue for the day for it.
If I have to go further in this part, the X5 comes with the SUPERVOOC DVT 80W, it is compatible with 80W/65W, etc fast charging, 30W AIRVOOC, and 10W Reverse Wireless Charging. Too.
So you will have from 0 to 50% under 15mn.
It means it's fast for charging and has no heat issue as the 80W is 40Wx2 at peak times. You only have a 2/3mn difference between 80W or 65W fast charging anyway.
Wireless charging is compatible with current norms, and I am flawlessly using my 55W wireless charger. You can even choose what kind of charging you want, like slow/optimized for bedtime, the same for wireless.
There are 2 Cells 2340/2400 mAh.
No heat issue while charging; as I said, it's 2x40W, and it's now a while OEMs developed fast charging. 100W on one cell is reachable, so less than the half in 2022… easy peasy.
As usual, you can choose between different profiles to save more power in case of or depending on your usage. Why run full powerhouse if you're just watching videos on a social network.
My thoughts
So, at the end of the day, I need to dig up more ColorOS, and dig more for the photography part, especially at night.
So far, I see the OPPO Find X5 as a 2021 flagship under Android 12 with an NPU I am still trying to figure out the utility. No offense here; it's just how I use the smartphone for the past 2 weeks, I didn't have the opportunity to shoot vibrant HDR at night videos. I got rain, snow, cold, no parties or trips to the city past two weeks. It is on the checklist. But I'm thinking, in that case, I am using the smartphone as everyone else here, depending on the occasion and the opportunity.
For the rest, it's a nice rounded, balanced device. ColorOS is a surprise, mixed with nice and why questions, but as I said, hard to jump into a new customized OS you never used before (even on OP, as I stayed under O2OS 11).
However, despite the OPPO/OP framework on top of the Android One, the addition of many OPPO Apps (that need to be separate from the OS and moved on the Play Store BTW and allowed to uninstall), the system is responsive, have a great battery life, some nice customizations and still looks like, sometimes, as a clean OS (looks like, not is). There are still some glitches here and there and some UX details that I'm not used to (and don't know if it is intended this way or bugs).
For the camera part, UW is good, Main can be better, and Tele is under competition. I need more options in the camera and gallery app. It's a solid day-to-day photography phone, but there are better 2021 devices in front of it for now. That's why I'm curious about the following updates for the firmware and the NPU.
The build quality is present. The X5 is too light for me. I feel back I was sent a few years ago. It's a 6.55", meaning it's not tiny, but I can feel and see the difference with the 6.7/6.78" inches smartphones I've been using for the past year. However, it is pleasant to get this size, as it is well balanced, under 200g (7.41oz). Flat-screen, thinner would have perfect for me.
Okay, people will say no SD Card, No Jack port… Well, I don't care personally. Yeah, I prefer a 512GB variant, but I can deal with 256GB, and I am using Snapdragon Sound for wireless Audio.
For the price, in Europe, the product is around 999€ VAT included (meaning $999 taxes excluded in the US if we should imagine a retail price). For this price, 12GB instead of 8GB, a better construction lens for the primary camera with better stabilization. The same for the Tele camera, better camera and construction lens, and add a B&W sensor for the XPAN Mode. And maybe I will consider buying it.
So far, as a European living in the US, I see the X5 as an OP9 refresh, a little brother of the OP9 Pro. In Europe, the prices are between 619 and 919€ currently, with the addition of the 80W, the MariSilicon and switching one IMX 689 to IMX766, 749 or 799€/$ seems more the sweet spot for this model.
So, keep it posted; fav the threads; I don't know yet if I will update this one or go for another thread with the new information about this OPPO Find X5.
And here we are, at the end of this review. Again, thank you OPPO and @OPPO Ambassador Team for this opportunity.​