I just got my brand new S8+ USA Unlocked version today. Been playing with it, getting it set up, and was taking some pictures outside while sitting (parked) in my vehicle.
It's very bright and sunny here in Tulsa today, but I'm parked under an overpass, so I'm in shade. I was not intentionally talking pictures of my legs, but was looking down as I was looking at settings, and I noted the image looked very foggy. Actually I received the dirty lens notification, but I had just wiped the lense off with microfiber. I confirmed it was clean, but the image was still foggy.
I took my case off just in case and no change. That when I noticed it. A semi circle of light around the edge of the picture. Identical to the lens flare WIDELY reported in the Pixel camera.
Now I know, all lenses have flare, and the software, filter, processors, etc eliminate it, but it was such a huge deal with the Pixel.
I know this was not a normal lighting condition, shaded area with a bright background, but honestly it was only during similar scenes that I would see the flare on my Pixel.
I'll check my wife's phone to see if hers also flares, but my guess is that it will.
Anyone else noticed this?
The second image I posted is darker and clearer because I used the auto correct in editing. It originally looked just like the first.
Never noticed any lens flares on my phone, but the pixel's lens flare is much worse, see if you get it in other situations.
peachpuff said:
Never noticed any lens flares on my phone, but the pixel's lens flare is much worse, see if you get it in other situations.
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I'll definitely keep an eye on it. I didn't think the Pixels was that bad or any worse then this one, and I've used the Pixel XL for the last six months.
Finger print flair?
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Finger print flair?
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My finger was nowhere near the lens and I had just wiped it clean with a microfiber cloth. There were no fingerprints or smudges on it.
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So i just noticed this over the holiday weekend. Took about 30 photos all indoor shots some with flash & some without. Noticed on some of the pictures yellowish vertical lines spaced evenly apart throughout the photo. Tried to clean the lens thinking it was dirty. I then noticed the pattern on the flash cover. Began to test this further by taking a picture against a white backround using the flash and sure enough, those yellowish lines were there. Is there something behind the battery cover that I'm supposed to peel off? Can any other owners of the venue pro weigh in on this???
PS I only noticed the vertical lines caused by the flash with iso set on auto/low. When set to 800, they dissappear.
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So i just noticed this over the holiday weekend. Took about 30 photos all indoor shots some with flash & some without. Noticed on some of the pictures yellowish vertical lines spaced evenly apart throughout the photo. Tried to clean the lens thinking it was dirty. I then noticed the pattern on the flash cover. Began to test this further by taking a picture against a white backround using the flash and sure enough, those yellowish lines were there. Is there something behind the battery cover that I'm supposed to peel off? Can any other owners of the venue pro weigh in on this???
PS I only noticed the vertical lines caused by the flash with iso set on auto/low. When set to 800, they dissappear.
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If it's dark enough for the flash to even come on, all I get is a blurry picture anyway, so NO I don't see any yellow lines. All I see is a blur.
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So i just noticed this over the holiday weekend. Took about 30 photos all indoor shots some with flash & some without. Noticed on some of the pictures yellowish vertical lines spaced evenly apart throughout the photo. Tried to clean the lens thinking it was dirty. I then noticed the pattern on the flash cover. Began to test this further by taking a picture against a white backround using the flash and sure enough, those yellowish lines were there. Is there something behind the battery cover that I'm supposed to peel off? Can any other owners of the venue pro weigh in on this???
PS I only noticed the vertical lines caused by the flash with iso set on auto/low. When set to 800, they dissappear.
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The yellow lines were noticed by my brother and I on our original Venue Pros, and we thought it was a software issue. I can confirm that this issue still exists.
seatown1two said:
So i just noticed this over the holiday weekend. Took about 30 photos all indoor shots some with flash & some without. Noticed on some of the pictures yellowish vertical lines spaced evenly apart throughout the photo. Tried to clean the lens thinking it was dirty. I then noticed the pattern on the flash cover. Began to test this further by taking a picture against a white backround using the flash and sure enough, those yellowish lines were there. Is there something behind the battery cover that I'm supposed to peel off? Can any other owners of the venue pro weigh in on this???
PS I only noticed the vertical lines caused by the flash with iso set on auto/low. When set to 800, they dissappear.
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take off the back cover and do the same testing. If the problem persist, its the OS or flash itself.
if the problem is completly gone, your issue is the back cover.
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take off the back cover and do the same testing. If the problem persist, its the OS or flash itself.
if the problem is completly gone, your issue is the back cover.
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yeah I've already tried this... Problem only occurs with the cover on.. I believe its due to the pattern that is imprinted on the flash cover..
seatown1two said:
yeah I've already tried this... Problem only occurs with the cover on.. I believe its due to the pattern that is imprinted on the flash cover..
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This may or may not be related, but I see some horizontal bands of alternating brightness and darkness when I set the ISO to 800. This is with the cover off too. With the ISO still set to 800, I also see some weird artifacts of pure whiteness that look like some Photoshop effect (like the region was dumped with white using the paint bucket tool). This appears in real-time on the on-screen viewfinder as well as in the pictures.
Hi Everyone,
Have a look at attached example image to see what I mean.
Please try to take a manual shot with your wide lens in a very dark environment with very high ISO (3200 in example) and exposure time of 5secs plus (20 secs in example).
Everyone who has tried that so far has the same issue, a big purple shadow on the top. It's most likely the laser and it won't happen with the normal lense.
Do you have the same result? Any suggestions what we can do about it?
Whoa! I haven't seen that in a long time. I think maybe around the time of the Nikon D80. I can't currently try this out personally but by the sounds of it what has happened is called Amp Glow. It's when you kind of start getting out of the bounds of what is really acceptable shooting conditions for a given sensor. In this case, if you really are shooting in conditions that call for high ISO AND still need a shutter speed of 20 seconds and the image still comes out that dark, then you're way beyond realistic expectations for shooting with a cellphone. In the older DSLRs, people would see it when doing star trail photos that were 10 minutes or longer. Frame stacking software became the solution to this problem by taking a lot of shorter photos and stacking them up and pulling through the new dots of light. (And this is still used by a lot of photographers as it also gets rid of other forms of noise.)
So what is happening? ISO is pretty much the gain. It's the amplification being applied to the signal coming off of the sensor. Ideally with ANY camera, you want to stay as close to the base ISO of a given sensor. That's usually the lowest ISO number. (There are some exceptions where some camera manufacturers have done some trickery to get a lower ISO to show up but that was short lived as it didn't really help things.) Unfortunately, image sensors are not hanging in space. They're packed in with a ton of other stuff. Stuff that gets warm. If that stuff is near an edge of the sensor, that heat bleeds into the sensor and then those warmed pixels get amplified by the higher ISO and next thing you know, Amp Glow. Well, that's the simplified version at least.
A cellphone, any cellphone, is not designed for those kinds of shots. If they were, they would have a tripod mount, a much better flash, and a much larger sensor. (Yeah, the flash on your cellphone is not meant to light up stuff much past 5 feet. Even the ones built into a DSLR aren't meant for much past about 15-20 feet.) The reality is that cellphones are designed for handheld shots with decent light. Even the larger sensor used in some cellphones shouldn't be expected to pull any miracles that top end DSLRs are just barely pulling off cleanly. For that shot, you would want to use a dedicated camera locked down on a tripod using base ISO and long exposure at the very least. Although, personally, I'd probably just take a pass on that shot.
someone on reddit has the exam same issue with the wide angle. and someone said it's in the regular too. weird. my s7 never had this purple hue when I did even 30 second exposure at night.
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something obstructing the lens maybe, or just camera went bad
Better hope this isn't the same problem the HTC one m7 had with the purple haze. The culprit was a light sensor on the camera would overhear and give a purple haze on the screen in low light. Place the phone face down and with the camera on and see if the purple comes back.
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Better hope this isn't the same problem the HTC one m7 had with the purple haze. The culprit was a light sensor on the camera would overhear and give a purple haze on the screen in low light. Place the phone face down and with the camera on and see if the purple comes back.
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No, it won't happen with the same ISO/Shutter settings I took the previously attached photo. But maybe that's because it's not dark enough. Did the M7 issue only happen in dark enviornment as well?
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Whoa! I haven't seen that in a long time. I think maybe around the time of the Nikon D80. I can't currently try this out personally but by the sounds of it what has happened is called Amp Glow. It's when you kind of start getting out of the bounds of what is really acceptable shooting conditions for a given sensor. In this case, if you really are shooting in conditions that call for high ISO AND still need a shutter speed of 20 seconds and the image still comes out that dark, then you're way beyond realistic expectations for shooting with a cellphone. In the older DSLRs, people would see it when doing star trail photos that were 10 minutes or longer. Frame stacking software became the solution to this problem by taking a lot of shorter photos and stacking them up and pulling through the new dots of light. (And this is still used by a lot of photographers as it also gets rid of other forms of noise.)
So what is happening? ISO is pretty much the gain. It's the amplification being applied to the signal coming off of the sensor. Ideally with ANY camera, you want to stay as close to the base ISO of a given sensor. That's usually the lowest ISO number. (There are some exceptions where some camera manufacturers have done some trickery to get a lower ISO to show up but that was short lived as it didn't really help things.) Unfortunately, image sensors are not hanging in space. They're packed in with a ton of other stuff. Stuff that gets warm. If that stuff is near an edge of the sensor, that heat bleeds into the sensor and then those warmed pixels get amplified by the higher ISO and next thing you know, Amp Glow. Well, that's the simplified version at least.
A cellphone, any cellphone, is not designed for those kinds of shots. If they were, they would have a tripod mount, a much better flash, and a much larger sensor. (Yeah, the flash on your cellphone is not meant to light up stuff much past 5 feet. Even the ones built into a DSLR aren't meant for much past about 15-20 feet.) The reality is that cellphones are designed for handheld shots with decent light. Even the larger sensor used in some cellphones shouldn't be expected to pull any miracles that top end DSLRs are just barely pulling off cleanly. For that shot, you would want to use a dedicated camera locked down on a tripod using base ISO and long exposure at the very least. Although, personally, I'd probably just take a pass on that shot.
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Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. My question here would be, why doesn't it happen to other phone-cameras with similar settings?
Kujoja said:
No, it won't happen with the same ISO/Shutter settings I took the previously attached photo. But maybe that's because it's not dark enough. Did the M7 issue only happen in dark enviornment as well?
Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. My question here would be, why doesn't it happen to other phone-cameras with similar settings?
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Yes the m7 only happened in low light / dark environment. Do a Google search for HTC one m7 purple haze. What caused me not to buy another htc phone
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Kujoja said:
No, it won't happen with the same ISO/Shutter settings I took the previously attached photo. But maybe that's because it's not dark enough. Did the M7 issue only happen in dark enviornment as well?
Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation. My question here would be, why doesn't it happen to other phone-cameras with similar settings?
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Settings aren't the only part of the equation. The other par is the placement of other components within the device. I need to look at the tear downs to see how the various parts are placed next to each other but something is heating up and passing that heat to the sensor. Just off the top of my head there are four parts together; the two camera sensors, the laser focus module, and the flask module. Each one of those on its own will generate heat if used enough.
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Yes the m7 only happened in low light / dark environment. Do a Google search for HTC one m7 purple haze. What caused me not to buy another htc phone
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It's the same issue. I haven't looked at the HTC issue but from your description of it, it's the same. Amp glow is what it is called in digital photography. (OK, silly that I said digital as you don't get amp glow in film.) The glow will show up because there is no other data coming off of the sensor for those pixels and the heat is amplified as "data".
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Ok, just watched the JerryRigEverything repair tear down. The flash module sits right next to the wide angle and the laser focus next to the regular sensor. There is no mention as to what is sitting next to the sensors on the main board but I see silver boxes on each side with one having some sort of black and yellow warning sticker. Not sure what they are so I can't rope them in as culprits. So for now, I'd say it's a combo of the four units of the camera assembly.
Were you running the flash or one of the cameras a lot while you were playing around? Shooting a lot of long exposure shots in a row?
I'll get to test out some night shots and video tonight at a lighting ceremony but I'm still not expecting to shoot 3200 for 20 seconds type shots. Again, that's pretty extreme.
I've searched around and there's a short mention here or there, and I'm not sure if I should exchange my new S7 because it's actually quite an annoying problem that I've not noticed on my S6 or Nexus phones before this S7.
When I take a photo with the camera facing a bright light source, eg the sun or a bright light at night, there is a blue spot that appears in the picture. I know it's a limitation of modern smartphone cameras, and it's likely a lens refraction or reflection, but it really does take away from the photo if I'm taking one of a beautiful sunset or even a cityscape at night. LIke I said, it's the first time I've noticed this in any of my cellphone cameras. I've tested similar exposure in my friends' S5 and they have the spot too. Even my backup windows phone has this.
Do ALL cameras have this? Are there any S7 owners here who don't have this problem? If there are S7s without this problem, then I'm ok with exchanging the phone for a new one hoping for one without this. I'ts kinda a buzz kill for me on such a fantastic phone otherwise.
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I've searched around and there's a short mention here or there, and I'm not sure if I should exchange my new S7 because it's actually quite an annoying problem that I've not noticed on my S6 or Nexus phones before this S7.
When I take a photo with the camera facing a bright light source, eg the sun or a bright light at night, there is a blue spot that appears in the picture. I know it's a limitation of modern smartphone cameras, and it's likely a lens refraction or reflection, but it really does take away from the photo if I'm taking one of a beautiful sunset or even a cityscape at night. LIke I said, it's the first time I've noticed this in any of my cellphone cameras. I've tested similar exposure in my friends' S5 and they have the spot too. Even my backup windows phone has this.
Do ALL cameras have this? Are there any S7 owners here who don't have this problem? If there are S7s without this problem, then I'm ok with exchanging the phone for a new one hoping for one without this. I'ts kinda a buzz kill for me on such a fantastic phone otherwise.
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I have the same problem with my phone. When I take a pic of candles, there is also some kind of purple halo around the flame. I read somewhere that it is because of the lack of IR filter on the lens.
I agree with the fact that this is really annoying for a phone of that price
first problem is lense flare, it depends on optics design and is normal!
second issue (purple halo) is ir radiation not properly filtered, due to probably lacking IR filter.
this is an issue long present in mobile cam history, although there are and were mobiles with proper filtering cam modules existing...
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Thanks guys, as expected, i figured it is a 'normal' thing, but it still drives me nuts. I'm still hoping to hear from more people, since misery loves company in the event that some actually say they don't have this, i might exchange my phone for another to try my luck.
I thought I was the only one me too
I did an official OTA update of my Samsung S8 SM-G950FD.Post update, the very next day without any phone drop, my phones rear camera developed a black spot or kind of sketch.
It is not a dead pixel on screen just visible when the camera is on and in the pic clicked.:crying:
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I did an official OTA update of my Samsung S8 SM-G950FD.Post update, the very next day without any phone drop, my phones rear camera developed a black spot or kind of sketch.
It is not a dead pixel on screen just visible when the camera is on and in the pic clicked.:crying:
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Maybe there is dust inside the camera
Is it cleaneable if I take it to the service center. Attached image of the problem.
https://ibb.co/1Qp33Vy
Is it a UFO????
Yes and yes it's cleanable
Try and shake it maybe it will go to the sides
Had you keep it under direct sunlight?
I had similar smudge due to exposing the phone at direct sunlight.
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Had you keep it under direct sunlight?
I had similar smudge due to exposing the phone at direct sunlight.
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I take a bunch of pictures while welding and using th3 plasma cutter at work. Been doing it for years. And never had any issues with spots or discoloration on my cameras. If you dont know. Without proper shielding welding and plasma cutters can cause burns to your eyes. Like sunburns. Ive been sun burnt by welding i dont think a mere few seconds or so facing the sun will cause this
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I take a bunch of pictures while welding and using th3 plasma cutter at work. Been doing it for years. And never had any issues with spots or discoloration on my cameras. If you dont know. Without proper shielding welding and plasma cutters can cause burns to your eyes. Like sunburns. Ive been sun burnt by welding i dont think a mere few seconds or so facing the sun will cause this
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That were my two cents.
The other suggestions maybe right then. Try to clean it....
Thanks guys, it's gone now..not sure how..probably by just a tap on the back of the phone or a mild shake.
Wow that is weird. I figured a dead at on the camera. In the past Samsung cameras have a tendency to get a purple tint when going bad. Never saw this one before
This is my second week with this unit and it's awesome so far! Took some time for the battery life to get up to par, but got that sorted out and now it's a beast!...like the title suggests though, I do have a question about the ultra wide camera. Can someone try going into a dark room, covering the camera lens when the ultra wide camera is activated, and see if you notice light bleed on the view finder when in 3:4 aspect ratio and no filter on? I notice slight light leakage onto the screen if you look around the edges of the viewfinder. You don't have to cover the lens because it is noticeable in really low indoor light conditions or if the room is extremely dark. The other two lens under the same conditions seem fine. It's not a deal breaker or anything, nor will I return the phone, just wondering if anyone else notice. It's very slight. In decent to good light conditions, you don't notice it at all. And I will say that it doesn't show on pics at all. This is just my OCD kicking in lol. The cameras are actually the best I've used on a phone!
I decided to take a screen shot. Take a look at the upper left hand side. Do you see the light leak? With the other camera lens, the viewfinder is pitch black to match the pitch black scene. If indoors and the light conditions are bad, you'll see the distortion on the viewfinder, but the pic will turn out perfect. Only if you do motion picture do you see it a bit. Anyone have this or an explanation? Definitely not enough for me to return the device, but just wondering if it's normal? Zoom into the photo I attached and you'll see it at the top left.
No one can quickly try this and confirm?
Do you have a camera protector applied?
NickosD said:
Do you have a camera protector applied?
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No, no protector applied. When I called Samsung, the rep told me it's normal and her unit does the same. I still don't know. But if you tested in a dark room and you don't get it, that means not every unit has it.