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The state of Android homebrew.

When the G1 came out it was the only Android powered device so modding it worked for everybody. And it was just one brand, HTC, so this forum was a one stop destination for modding our phone.
However, things have changed, now there are multiple phone with incompatible hardware from different manufacturers. Now a custom rom made for the G1, won't work on a DROID for example and vise versa. This complicates things quite a bit.
Right now Cyanogen mods are the best thing for our G1 and maybe the best thing for Android as a whole. I'm used to the build in tether capability and apps to SD and compcace and the other perks of a modded rom. But if I wanted to upgrade my phone, I would lose it all.
There are no Cyanogen mod for anything other than G1 and myTouch phones as far as I know and if I were to upgrade to DROID, I would lose root, lose tether, lose apps to SD, lose everything about my phone that makes it my phone.
Everything I wrote may not be facts, I don't really know what goes on at other forums, but I know that we don't have roms build to run on the DROID and we don't have them built to run on the HERO hardware, it's all for G1 and myTouch, and it seems to me that if I don't ha.ve on of those phones, I lose everything.
I do understand that this forum is for HTC devices which DROID and a few other's are not which is why I don't see homebrew for them. Is there a another website similar to this that supports all Android hardware?
These are thoughts that have been running through my head lately. If I am totally wrong here, please let me know.

I would say check out websites such as androidcommunity.com, androidandme.com, phandroid.com. The developers might not be on there but you can probably find links to where there are custom roms for the phones.
And you are right about different phones having different development oppurtunities. I thought about this today and realized that the next android phone I get not only has to be what I want but also be a popular phone that will attract developers such as cyan, maxisma, jac, manup and everyone else. My best guess and hope is that it will be a snapdragon android handset, hopefully for T-Mobile USA.

What we'll end up having to do is pick our phones based on it's community support and what kind of home brew is available for it.

The reason I love the G1 is the fact that it's rooted and has a large community. This phone is the best on the market, all things considered, because the rooted OS allows so much.
If and when the Droid is rooted, when a GSM version is released, and when it has T-Mo's 3G bands, I will move to it. But all those may not happen for another year or more. If you haven't played with a Droid yet, do so. Incredible speed and the best screen I have ever seen on a phone. Till then, G1 all the way.

The man is right, we have a problem on the dev side.
I think though, once 2.0 gets standard, we'll only need root for a few things like tethering and setting the CPU clock. Really cyanogen's only advantage is optimization, but once 2.0 and snapdragon rolls around, who cares? We'll always want to tinker, but it won't eclipse getting the phone you want.
The big problems right now are that the market isn't getting what it needs. Nothing compares to the HTC widgets, yet instead of cloning them on the market, we try and run a ROM that doesn't even work on our phones! We still don't have BT in Hero and it may just never happen.
2.0 will be what we need as a base, but the market needs our help now.

I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..

alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Thanks but this thread is not about who has the best rom.
The point is, when you get a new Android phone, your rom of choice won't be available for it. So what do you do?

alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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I think we all get it already, YOU are dwang's biggest fan
But, to stay on topic. My G1 is the first HTC device I've ever owned and I've only discovered XDA since I've had it, and I think that because of the community involvement here and the custom roms that have come out, I will definitely lean towards another HTC phone when I look for my next upgrade, and it will definately be an android phone.
Also another thing to look at is the availability of the phones that are out to actual dev's. Unless people are donating phones, I doubt everyone can just run out and pick up all the latest devices, and network restrictions/preferences that come along with them.

I think the easiest solution is as follows:
1. Find the dev you like best.
2. Find the phone you like best.
3. Buy phone you like best.
4. Buy/Create a donate link to get said dev the same phone.
Assuming said dev doesnt turn around and craigslist the phone you bought him/her, you have (hopefully) ensured said dev will migrate and develop on your favorite hardware.
Not the best solution but probably the most reliable.

alec.baldwin said:
I'd contest the cyanogen are the best rom's.. maybe for someoen who wants to flash an upgrade every 3 days.. but for the majority of users.. Dwang is the way to go. Lengthy discussion about this, is over here..
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Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.

cyanogen said:
Seriously dude, are you going to diss me in every thread? What do you even contribute to this community? I've not received any patches or even logs of the "problems" you claim.
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For real.
Alec, you're like the little annoying brother that no one wants to be around.
Grow up, let your balls drop, and enjoy your phone, your life, and whatever rom you want.
But, you don't have to go around dissing well-respected devs.

The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
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I want to acknowledge cyanogen, daproy, cyrowski, loccy, and alla for their contributions to the android community.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.

AthlonBoy said:
The Droid hasn't been out long enough for a community to gather around it. Many of the Android big names are waiting to get GSM versions before tinkering.
Also, remember that the HTC Dream was in circulation well before it launched last year. The Android development phone is identical to the Dream, with the only difference being some swish art on the back cover. The hardware and software were free-flowing long before it landed in our hands. In contrast, the Droid was a much more secretive launch; we've only just got Eclair source code, and the SDK was kept under wraps by a non-disclosure agreement (probably to conceal the nuclear bomb that is Google Maps Navigation).
I find the cracking of the Droid to be inevitable. The poor thing is going to be broken just as much as our Dreams were. Just give it time.
As for ROMs being available over a span of phones, I'm not sure that's even a good idea. Android variants like XROM, cyanogenmod, The Dude's ROM, yadda yadda... they're all about maximising the capabilities of the Dream. Not the Droid, the Dream. Adding in features that the hardware can support, changing CPU frequencies, Apps2SD, all that jazz. Droid ROMs will be built around adding in core features, like Apps2SD, and whatever else the Droid has tucked away. Likewise, speed optimisations may not be portable between phones, as what gives the Dream a boost may hinder the Droid.
For me, features of a ROM are not the best part of homebrew Android builds. The best part is being able to upgrade your phone outside of the carrier's say-so. If T-mobile have no plans to push Eclair to Dreams, I will install it myself. I am not tied down by the say-so of a room full of suits three thousand miles away. If T-mobile don't include an app that I like, such as the IM app or the Amazon MP3 store (which T-mobile UK don't), I can get ROMs with them myself. If a carrier would rather I didn't tether without paying for my bandwidth twice, I can do it anyway, so long as I'm not an idiot.
You may have guessed that I have a very dim view of cell carriers.
With root, we are free to do as we like. This is the real killer feature of homebrew, and the Droid will benefit from it too.
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It seems dwang himself has a much higher opinion of the man than a certain other someone.
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You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?

Pinesal said:
You seem to have almost got my point but not quite. Of coarse DOID doesn't need Cyanogen MOD specifically. But would you buy an Android phone if there weren't a mod that lets it do the things that we are used to and have only become available by modding? Apps to SD, tethering, themeing?
Sure DROID might get all these things though a custom rom but we won't see it on this website. The problem is that things will get too spread out and hard to find with all these new hardware options.
What would be nice is a rom that works on nearly every Android device that just adds root access to the phone and some basic universal packages like A2SD and tethering etc. That way you can buy any Android device you want and still have these basic privileges.
Do you think something like that would be possible?
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Beats me, man. I'm not a developer. But I think it's unlikely.

For the DROID (and other/future android phones) is Apps2SD really necessary? The only reason why we need it on our phones is because of the pathetic amount of internal space the G1 has, the same goes for Swap Partitions etc.
As long as people buy the phone there is always going to be someone who is smart enough to work on rooting it IMO. And even without root what do you really lose? The only things I think I would really miss are Wireless Tether and Bluetooth File Transfer (Which I THINK is in 2.0 anyway).

I'm not buying a new phone until it's rooted and Cyanogen has it too.

My biggest requirement for any android phone..and any cell phone in general is the keyboard. I bought the G1 because of the keyboard and lucked out with the high number of developers available for it. I didn't find this place for several months during the time when the grandfather of the G1 mod program was still active =) JF!. I enjoyed all the modding and updating because I personally feel that the phone is, well mine. And I should be able to do what ever I want with it. I had picked up the V3C Razer because it could play MP3's. I get it home and then discover that the Verizon Nazi's completely locked down that feature so you where forced to use their service at an additional cost. Of course the motorola dev/repair/store software allowed us to get in a enable the various features that Verizon required to be locked. I also love the Aps2sd. No matter what phone you have, the internal memory will never be enough. And with the Cliq supporting 32gig sd cards, a full keyboard, and NOT verizon was enough for me. I'm patient and confident it will be rooted eventually. If not, I still have my G1 and I still do Cyanogen updates and play around with it. And when my contract is up with Tmob(renewed for the Cliq), I'll see who has the next most popular rooted phone with a keyboard and switch over. I just really hate people telling me how to use a device I own. Its like going to McDonalds and having them dictate what condiments to put on my BigMac and Fries, and then telling me I can only eat it a certain way and which hand to use. If Cyanogen was down with the Cliq, or interested in it. I may be willing to ship him my phone to see what he can come up with.
As far as a universal O/S for all phones, isn't that just the core Android software with specific drivers provided by each manufacturer and custom UI? There should be a way to make 1 O/S for all android phones, then have update packs with the drivers and UI enhancements and add-ons for each android phone released? Not sure of the SPL locks though. Thats a bit beyond me. But i wouldn't think it would be to hard to run Cyanogen on the Cliq or droid provided the correct drivers and such where bundled with it. Kind of like slipstreaming a service pack into a bootleg Windows OS . Each phone eventually has to release the source code which contains the drivers for that phone. Thats how we get the Cliq's OS onto the G1, should work the other way around too. Sounds easy, but Cyanogen's Rom should run on my Cliq, provided the drivers are slipstreamed into it for the Cliq...right? Only problem is root.. :/ hehehe

and there he flames again...alec.baldwin, no one has the problems you have with cyanogen's latest. actually, lets delve into this...what exactly are your "problems" with 4.2.5? PLEASE, answer this question so cyanogen can dutifully fix the "problems" you are having.
You might check out some of the Q/A threads to first learn how to properly flash cyanogen's ROM. It is slightly different than Dwang's because Cyanogen uses the legal method. In fact, check out www.cyanogenmod.com and you might find a ton of useful info on getting cm to work on your phone.
Best of Luck,
njuncos
P.S. Cyanogen, mad props on once again reaching over a million thread views on your latest. Now you own 3 of the top 4 most viewed threads of all time in Dream Android Development!

Why do they put perfect SPLs?

What's up with these guys, HTC and the phone companies? What does it benefit them if they put perfect SPLs or things we can't root? They won't lose the non-techies as customers if they put out non-perfect SPLs. These guys don't care. Yet, they gain the business of the techies if they don't have perfect SPLs.
So what do they gain?Why do they do it?

2 things I think...
First, they fix bug's... The root might be considered a bug so they just fixed it...
Second... They deliver a product made by them, others companies made they're own version of android (gui, apps, etc)... So, having a perfect spl is the way to sell their own product without other people porting them up to other devices...
Well, thats just my thoughts

:No-Frost: said:
2 things I think...
First, they fix bug's... The root might be considered a bug so they just fixed it...
Second... They deliver a product made by them, others companies made they're own version of android (gui, apps, etc)... So, having a perfect spl is the way to sell their own product without other people porting them up to other devices...
Well, thats just my thoughts
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Basically, yep that's about it.

I would suggest it is mostly the carriers demanding this, especially when flashing firmware can leave you with a expensive brick. If it is too easy lots of semi-skilled users will try it and screw up their phone. Which they will then take back to the store and claim "it just died, I did not do anything"... leaving the store to either eat the cost or tell the user that they screwed up and bricked their phone and too bad, so sad, pissing off the customer.
Plus many/most/all (?) carriers are control freaks and the idea of users being allowed to load whatever apps and features on to their own equipment freaks them right out. They are ever so slowly coming kicking and screaming into the reality that smartphones are really portable computers and that this makes them commodity bit pipes but they certainly don't like the idea. This is why so many carriers are in love with the IPhone and its very rigidly controlled app store and lack of easy alternate methods of loading apps.

question about bootloaders

hey everyone. i dont come here much but this is kind of a general question. about how many encrypted and or locked bootloaders have been cracked and unlocked in the past? i guess im asking what are the chances that us a500 users will see recovery and roms? i know its up to whoever will figure it out in the end. but im just asking based on past devices. can it be done? has it been done before?
also as a side note. this is just my opinion. i can understand locking the bootloader on a phone so people dont abuse there unlimited data and such. but on a wifi only tablet? its like buying a laptop with a bios password set by the manufacture and the admin account locked out. it just doesn't make any sense to me. they should not be allowed to do this. thoughts?
(please dont take this as a rant. ive been driving myself crazy the past few days and watching the dev forum 24/7)

I don't know how likely it is to happen, but I agree with you it's a ****ty thing to do. It'd be fair in my eyes if we have to register the device, put in our serial number, then request an unlock code that invalidates the warranty to unlock the bootloader. That seems reasonable to me, but just straight up locking me out of my device is ****.
I'm hoping this isn't a trend we're going to have to start accepting. I'd rather the openness of the PC slip into tablets and phones, not the other way around.

Well hopefully that doesn't limit us. They (the community) were able to get around the droid x/2 bootloader to install custom roms, at least in some form. I am hoping this device catches on amongst enthusiasts, together, and by that I mean everyone but me, can work hard on modding this tab...jk.

Thanks for the feedback I'm really glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way

Unfortunately the same reason Apple products are so successful is that people are very "accepting" , The manufacturers dont count on people hacking there products , its a relatively small amount of people who (even) root Android phones , sure they get the press , but how many "moms and pops" own an Android phone unrooted? The majority of owners dont mess with it , they just buy apps and do what the company tells them!
Look how many people in here whine about updates , obviously if they were rooting there phones the updates wouldnt be a big deal!

soon you may not be able to root your phone..

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/?nocache=1
so, does this mean the end of rooting every device except a Nexus?

wase4711 said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/android-l-lockdown/?nocache=1
so, does this mean the end of rooting every device except a Nexus?
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As long as t-mobile doesn't lock the phones bootloaders it shouldn't be a problem, however needing a custom kernel to have root will cause huge delays in obtaining root with new updates.

and if they dont release source, or, they do and its encrypted or secure is a new way, that custom kernel may never be able to be compiled
I knew this was coming with Android L; this just confirms it to me..
If you want to upgrade to "L", you will have to be ok with staying stock for a long time I believe..
Hope I get proved wrong..

If thats the case I wont root to lollipop

Since this is N4 and T-mobile forum, the reason why I need to root is because I want to get rid of Amazon app, T-mobile account app and the file explorer which doesnt not have FTP. And also rid Sammy Video Player which cant play my 1080p movies! I also cant write to my SD card. I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?

chong67 said:
Since this is N4 and T-mobile forum, the reason why I need to root is because I want to get rid of Amazon app, T-mobile account app and the file explorer which doesnt not have FTP. And also rid Sammy Video Player which cant play my 1080p movies! I also cant write to my SD card. I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
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They should of added the t-mobile bloatware and the other bloatware to the galaxy app essentials section if we wanted to download the bloatware apps or not. They removed some bloatware and added it into there, why not all of them? That would of been way better.
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unfortunately, the marketing/engineering team that puts these phone "packages" together, probably doesn't care what "we" want in a software package. Their only interest is making maximum profits on every phone they sell, so they get royalties based on how many phones come pre-loaded with all of this crapware, so us trying to root/circumvent/taking all this junk off our phones, just phisses them off to no end..
The public is screaming for security in every aspect of our lives, especially after all these "attacks" on major retailers/banks recently, so they will "Sell" this new, total encryption as a "benefit" to the public. I believe Andoid L automatically encrypts everything on your phone, so I will be surprised if you will be able to upgrade to it at all if your phone is rooted..

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I am not trying to do illegal things. I dont want crabs that I dont need!
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New xda motto...Couldn't agree more

If this is true, I will just by an apple device and put on my sheep outfit every 12 months.
The thinking heads at Google are making billions annually, is it really necessary to squeeze out the diehard enthusiasts for a few extra millions. :smh:
Sometimes capitalism sucks.

I dont want crabs that I dont need! Can they understand?
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Nobody wants crabs, Chong, lol! Seriously though, I can't have an Android without root! I can do without customs ROMs, but do without root...no!

Root is like part of my device and life is the Main reason I don't owned a IPhone.
I like being able to customize every aspect of device.

HtcOnekid said:
Root is like part of my device and life is the Main reason I don't owned a IPhone.
I like being able to customize every aspect of device.
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Amen, brother. So many of the apps I use require root privileges.

Amd4life said:
If this is true, I will just by an apple device and put on my sheep outfit every 12 months.
The thinking heads at Google are making billions annually, is it really necessary to squeeze out the diehard enthusiasts for a few extra millions. :smh:
Sometimes capitalism sucks.
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DUDE! LOL! You are missing the point. With governments being increasingly more interested in user data, Google is trying to protect our data more than ever before. These changes are coming about for security reasons. The whole phone will be encrypted by default now. This will make a major difference in the overall security of the device. Google isn't trying to hurt the enthusiasts, they are trying to protect people who want privacy and don't have the skill to ward off massive superpowers that want it.

good point; unfortunately, "freedom of choice" usually comes at a price...
In this case, it will probably mean that the only custom roms /mods moving forward might only be for android 4.4 and earlier..

Google is leveling the playing field. All those who used Android for the customizations will realize all operating systems are the same [locked down] and venture off to see what else is out there. It's a brilliant move on Google's part. They were making too much money and was starting to have issues with storing it all. Now they'll let the other guys have those problems.
But it comes down to this... Either you want root or you want your privacy protected from The Man. We live in a word where diversity means less freedom.

I really don't think lollipop root will be a problem on this phone. Once the source is dropped for a single samsung build, which I'm pretty sure is required by the GPL, the kernel devs should be able to take it from there as long as there aren't very drastic changes in stock kernel functionality.
For instance the note 3 custom kernels pretty much took on a life of their own and you could flash them over different rom builds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a new kernel won't necessarily be needed for each Samsung build. At least that's the way it's been in the past.

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I really don't think lollipop root will be a problem on this phone. Once the source is dropped for a single samsung build, which I'm pretty sure is required by the GPL, the kernel devs should be able to take it from there as long as there aren't very drastic changes in stock kernel functionality.
For instance the note 3 custom kernels pretty much took on a life of their own and you could flash them over different rom builds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that a new kernel won't necessarily be needed for each Samsung build. At least that's the way it's been in the past.
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If Chainfire is unsure about the process, maybe it's not as easy as you think it will be.

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If Chainfire is unsure about the process, maybe it's not as easy as you think it will be.
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Chainfire will figure a way.
NOTE 4

(Disc) Possible Road to Root US models

It has been a very long time since I have worked on a phone project, mostly been working on switch and ps4 exploits. I'm not up to date on all the latest phone stuff.
My last exploit and the only one I released publicly, was for the Grand Prime (Cricket variant). Just like last time (I hope) I can get access to the diagnostic flash files and used them to create a modified boot. Also just like last time, I will not release the diag files to the general public if I get them because they can be used for nefarious deeds (They can be used to fully remove frp from a device among other things) and they are proprietary. Not to mention someone could really screw their phone up messing with things. The only thing it doesnt do is unlock the bootloader.
My question is, since im so far out of date and only started doing research, is it even feasible since (at this time) it cannot be used to unlock the BL?

Yes - PAID though
Follow https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...sac23-note-20-ultra-n986u-custom-rom-t4164875

I already did that just waiting for something to come along, what ever happened to this being a place where people go to look at new ideas and discuss. Sure there's only a paid way right now, but might not always be that way....because people work together and come up with other ways. If the world gave up like you did Trump would be president in the USA.....oh wait
And the phone i rooted was deemed impossible by many because how locked down cricket keeps their phones and how locked down samsung keeps their devices.
But you also missed the point, I'm not looking to unlock the bootloader, I'm looking for exploits to allow root without unlocking the bootloader. And before you say it can't be done, your wrong. The impossible is only impossible until it becomes possible.

Yeah good luck with that lol.
Since samsung started Knox stuff for US models
Has been harder and harder to root these phones.
You might have to wait two years if not more to get even half baked root
Glad I paid the money and get my unlocked ultra rooted and bootloader unlocked
For someone like me it's worth it since I'm always flashing and experiencing..
Sure xda users love free stuff but nothing in life is free.
That unlock guy is risking his job.
Who knows one day we won't even have that service because he could get caught.

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Yeah good luck with that lol.
Since samsung started Knox stuff for US models
Has been harder and harder to root these phones.
You might have to wait two years if not more to get even half baked root
Glad I paid the money and get my unlocked ultra rooted and bootloader unlocked
For someone like me it's worth it since I'm always flashing and experiencing..
Sure xda users love free stuff but nothing in life is free.
That unlock guy is risking his job.
Who knows one day we won't even have that service because he could get caught.
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How much was it? An where did you do it?

LRiley said:
How much was it? An where did you do it?[/QUOTE
There's one guy on here who does it. Search around and you will find him (look up). I costs about 100-150 depending on model. I have the N986U1 it was 125.
That unlock guy is risking his job.
Who knows one day we won't even have that service because he could get caught.[/QUOTE said:
I doubt that. There are many public tools you can use like z3x to gain full access to a device and write the required token, they just cost money for the hardware and software. They also require hardware keys that need to be renewed every 6 or 12 months and live in the grey area of the law. I know of one vendor who let's you use a VPN to appear in their service region (hk only) just because of covid, but once the lockdowns end they say the VPN access will also go away...odds are thats when he won't be able to do them anymore
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