I've had this phone a little while now and I'm itching to root it. There's nothing wrong with it, I just really want to get into the code and do some modding. But there doesn't seem to be any root solution available right now.
So I thought I'd start this thread so we could discuss any rooting tips and ideas you all might have.
First I should probably mention all the potentially dodgy rooting solutions out there. Google "root xa1" and you get many results that offer methods to gain root access on our phone.
I confess I haven't tried any of them but that's because they all look suspicious. Some were written before the phone launched, some require you to download unknown software (I'll keep my PC virus-free, thanks), some even go so far as to feature a fake comment section with people saying it works.
I have no desire to stick malware on either my PC or my phone so I'm steering well clear of those.
The XZs launched at the same time as the XA1 and there seems to be a solution available for that. This is a thread by @zlRampageSlz with details: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xzs/how-to/tutorial-step-step-guide-to-gain-root-t3612624
It looks like the best solution is to unlock the bootloader (making sure to back up your TA partition first!), flash a modified kernel (otherwise the camera takes green pictures), flash a recovery image and then flash Magisk.
Where do we get this modified kernel? Where do we get the recovery image?
I have no idea, sadly. This is all way beyond my area of expertise. I'm a themer, not a developer.
But if anybody knows better than me, please post here.
This is a great phone, let's work together so we can get it modded!
Ticklefish said:
I've had this phone a little while now and I'm itching to root it. There's nothing wrong with it, I just really want to get into the code and do some modding. But there doesn't seem to be any root solution available right now.
So I thought I'd start this thread so we could discuss any rooting tips and ideas you all might have.
First I should probably mention all the potentially dodgy rooting solutions out there. Google "root xa1" and you get many results that offer methods to gain root access on our phone.
I confess I haven't tried any of them but that's because they all look suspicious. Some were written before the phone launched, some require you to download unknown software (I'll keep my PC virus-free, thanks), some even go so far as to feature a fake comment section with people saying it works.
I have no desire to stick malware on either my PC or my phone so I'm steering well clear of those.
The XZs launched at the same time as the XA1 and there seems to be a solution available for that. This is a thread by @zlRampageSlz with details: https://forum.xda-developers.com/xzs/how-to/tutorial-step-step-guide-to-gain-root-t3612624
It looks like the best solution is to unlock the bootloader (making sure to back up your TA partition first!), flash a modified kernel (otherwise the camera takes green pictures), flash a recovery image and then flash Magisk.
Where do we get this modified kernel? Where do we get the recovery image?
I have no idea, sadly. This is all way beyond my area of expertise. I'm a themer, not a developer.
But if anybody knows better than me, please post here.
This is a great phone, let's work together so we can get it modded!
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First of all thank you so much for your awesome tool "Tickle My Android" which i really like it (Y).
i'm about to get XA1 Ultra so sure i'm so curious about root also but i'll try to make it clear,
simply, don't waste your time searching for a root tool because it's impossible to have root without modifying kernel, so, 100% all of these tools are just malware !
in the new devices there's something calls DM-Verity which is a check tool and that means any modification to /system will leads to bootloop,
so DM-Verity must be disabled ( through kernel of course ) & any mess with kernel means you have to unlock bootloader.
another thing, Sony ric which is prevent mounting system, so, any modification must be through recovery or it will leads to bootloop also, so we must also disable it.
fortunately on my xperia z2 there is no DM-Verity and there's a module to disable sony ric through recovery so root was possible without unlocking bootloader but starting from xperia z3+ DM-Verity appeared !
so now root is impossible without unlocking bootloader ( which means losing drm keys forever if you didn't back it up ).
i downloaded the firmware for xa1 ultra through xperiafirm and i unpacked the kernel and tried with these tools to see how its going on:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xp...oot-automatic-repack-stock-kernel-dm-t3301605
&
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/poc-real-trim-instead-drm-fix-t3552893
the first one was hanging and i didn't get any information & the second one to be able to use it then you must put your ta.img ( your ta backup ) inside the folder,
i used my z2 ta.img as a test to see the process and the result was pretty good !
i successful disabled DM-Verity and there's no sony ric !!!!! but it's also still not safe and needs to be confirmed because maybe there's a bad surprise which is not clear yet, maybe something like sony ric but new !
so, if it's only the ****ty DM-Verity it's easy to disable it even away from this tool because we can't use it without ta.img, maybe by any script or unpacking kernel and modify it then repacking it this is not a problem at all & after that MAYBE we can flash supersu or magisk via ADB since there's no recovery yet ( completely not sure about this so it needs to be confirmed ) & in this case the choice is between root or drm features but at least root has been achieved.
so now, we need something like this to be able to backup ta without root and after that no problem of unlocking bootloader:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/universal-dirtycow-based-ta-backup-t3514236
or
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/iovyroot-temp-root-tool-t3349597
or if it's not possible at this moment to backup ta without root then at least we need something like this to be able to to reactivate drm features such as camera denoise and x-reality...etc:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony/xperia-z1-z2-z3-series-devices-drm-t2930672
or
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z5/development/sony-credentials-restore-unlocking-t3296383
or the worst choice...root without drm & waiting for a fix like those above !
anyway, root is not easy like before but it's still possible after all, i tried to clarify everything as much as i can and i hope there's a solution soon !
@munjeni we need your help bro, please if you have free time have a look, i uploaded the kernel for xa1 ultra so try to tell us how it's going on & what is new !
https://www.mediafire.com/?bc63fgjw99r785d
good luck for everyone .
As my Z5 compact was broken, I bought the XA1. I didn't remember, how awful an unrooted phone is - So I am also waiting and would be very interested to be informed.
BR
Sopur
Did anyone tried this?
https://www.oneclickroot.com/sony/sony-xperia-xa1/
chauhanjayc said:
Did anyone tried this?
https://www.oneclickroot.com/sony/sony-xperia-xa1/
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I haven't, personally. Every mention of it I can find just looks like an advert. And I'm not paying for something that might not work and might do something horrible to my phone.
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Ticklefish said:
I haven't, personally. Every mention of it I can find just looks like an advert. And I'm not paying for something that might not work and might do something horrible to my phone.
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Its free
chauhanjayc said:
Its free
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One Click Root does not work at the moment :crying:
kpfreak said:
One Click Root does not work at the moment :crying:
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Uffffd
Let wait till next exploit.
chauhanjayc said:
Uffffd
Let wait till next exploit.
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I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
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bought this phone to replace my oppo. i can't wait for root abilities to be made
Bought this phone to replace my old Xiaomi. It's a good, powerful phone. Hope to see root appear for it soon. Personally for me, I'm one of those people who will only root a phone once it gets slow (the warranty expires). So as much as I'm reluctant to root my phone now, I'll hold out and see what wonderful developments appear on this thread.
Given the XA1 (I have the XA1 not the XA1 Ultra, I believe they are different) runs a Mediatek processor, I'm inclined to see something along the lines of a MT Flash Tool being used. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've only had successful flashes and roots with Qualcomm processors. The last device I had with a Mediatek processor (Lenovo A8-50 A5500H, MT8382) bricked on me horribly and I had to throw it away :crying:.
Meh. Hope we'll see awesomeness come soon from here. I'm still pretty new to XDA, looks like an awesome community
MINGXXIE said:
Bought this phone to replace my old Xiaomi. It's a good, powerful phone. Hope to see root appear for it soon. Personally for me, I'm one of those people who will only root a phone once it gets slow (the warranty expires). So as much as I'm reluctant to root my phone now, I'll hold out and see what wonderful developments appear on this thread.
Given the XA1 (I have the XA1 not the XA1 Ultra, I believe they are different) runs a Mediatek processor, I'm inclined to see something along the lines of a MT Flash Tool being used. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've only had successful flashes and roots with Qualcomm processors. The last device I had with a Mediatek processor (Lenovo A8-50 A5500H, MT8382) bricked on me horribly and I had to throw it away :crying:.
Meh. Hope we'll see awesomeness come soon from here. I'm still pretty new to XDA, looks like an awesome community
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from what i've seen on sony's support page, they've made their own flash tool to flash stock roms to your phone with in case of events like bricking
diosdetiempo said:
from what i've seen on sony's support page, they've made their own flash tool to flash stock roms to your phone with in case of events like bricking
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Is it? That's wonderful, shall go check it out
Seems like the ultra version has gotten it.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xa1-ultra/development/g3221-built-sources-t3622886
diosdetiempo said:
Seems like the ultra version has gotten it.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xa1-ultra/development/g3221-built-sources-t3622886
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Cool. I wonder if they can help with our device..
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Hi. Wondered if I could ask advice. When trying to unlock bootloader using Sony website via a code. After entering the command with the code it says command not allowed, any ideas?
arienwalsall72 said:
Hi. Wondered if I could ask advice. When trying to unlock bootloader using Sony website via a code. After entering the command with the code it says command not allowed, any ideas?
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I don't know, sorry. Did you definitely enter the right code?
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Ticklefish said:
I don't know, sorry. Did you definitely enter the right code?
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Yes. It gives the full command with the code on the Sony website. So I copied and pasted it from there. It does say on the phone in the service menu under bootloader unlock able = no. But says yes on the Sony website so not sure
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Yes. It gives the full command with the code on the Sony website. So I copied and pasted it from there. It does say on the phone in the service menu under bootloader unlock able = no. But says yes on the Sony website so not sure
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if it says no on your phone then you're not able to
arienwalsall72 said:
Yes. It gives the full command with the code on the Sony website. So I copied and pasted it from there. It does say on the phone in the service menu under bootloader unlock able = no. But says yes on the Sony website so not sure
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Go to Settings > About Phone.
Tap on Build Number until you get a toast notification that says you're a developer.
You should now be able to access Developer Options in Settings.
Go inside Developer Options then toggle OEM unlocking. Make sure it's on.
The code you get from the website should work now.
Related
Here is it, the new update 17.1.A.0.402 für the 16GB WiFi model SGP511! (Downloaded in Germany.)
https://mega.co.nz/#!xZAAyYoD!EFFk9hRoYgPXITY2_d5QtiyJMgHMbLMK9fDbSzgW8Gg
Have fun! It works, flashed it myself on my unlocked device.
P.S.: Somehow it was not possible to enter caps for the thread title - they always were automatically changed to lowercase. How's that??
hasenbein1966 said:
P.S.: Somehow it was not possible to enter caps for the thread title - they always were automatically changed to lowercase. How's that??
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The forum software often has a restriction not to allow only caps in the title, you need to have at least one lower-case character.
I have the wifi version also but my device unlocked and rooted, if i flash it from recovery will it wipe everything ??
thanx
You can't flash a FTF from recovery.
Only with Flashtool.
You can set in Flashtool which wipes you want or not.
Root and recovery will be gone, and to regain them we have to wait for Doomlord releasing a new custom kernel suited for .402 firmware.
17.1.A.2.36 vs 17.1.A.0.402
to me this one looks old then what came installed on the tablet ??? according to the numbers
or am i wrong
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correct ur tittle
firmware version is
17.1.1.A.0.402
can someone please provide me to the links of flash tools.
thnaks
xinfinityoO said:
can someone please provide me to the links of flash tools.
thnaks
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Please don't be so lazy - no spoonfeeding on xda.
xinfinityoO said:
17.1.A.2.36 vs 17.1.A.0.402
can someone please provide me to the links of flash tools.
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http://developer.sonymobile.com/services/flash-tool/
Hasenbein1966: I guess this forum is meant for helping each other, right ?
If we just throw in some technical terms which won't mean much to others, we should not wonder if the same "others" brick their devices - and then need to ask for far more help.
Providing a single link costs us 10 seconds and makes asker and follow-up readers quite happy and safe.
Keeping "secrets" for ourselves might lead others into great trouble, causing real problems and far more effort to the "experts" - now dealing with an issue with no simple 10-seconds-solution anymore.
"Spoonfeeding" a human baby is a vital step for it learning how to eat without any further help. It's a principle working very well for millenniums, a first step to being able to help yourself. I don't see anything wrong with that.
We're a community after all.
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http://developer.sonymobile.com/services/flash-tool/
Hasenbein1966: I guess this forum is meant for helping each other, right ?
If we just throw in some technical terms which won't mean much to others, we should not wonder if the same "others" brick their devices - and then need to ask for far more help.
Providing a single link costs us 10 seconds and makes asker and follow-up readers quite happy and safe.
Keeping "secrets" for ourselves might lead others into great trouble, causing real problems and far more effort to the "experts" - now dealing with an issue with no simple 10-seconds-solution anymore.
"Spoonfeeding" a human baby is a vital step for it learning how to eat without any further help. It's a principle working very well for millenniums, a first step to being able to help yourself. I don't see anything wrong with that.
We're a community after all.
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Hi chef, i saw this flashtool too but it says i have to be unlocked. I also saw a flashtool from here and it doesn't say i have to be unlocked. I wanted to stay locked but flashing a newer firmware(different software customization). Is that possible
xunus said:
Hi chef, i saw this flashtool too but it says i have to be unlocked. I also saw a flashtool from here and it doesn't say i have to be unlocked. I wanted to stay locked but flashing a newer firmware(different software customization). Is that possible
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I just don't know. - I didn't root my Z2s till now because I a) don't want to lose the X-Reality video enhancement, and b) still got no Z2 without any manufacturing defects/touchscreen issues (even after upgrading to .402). :/
xunus said:
Hi chef, i saw this flashtool too but it says i have to be unlocked. I also saw a flashtool from here and it doesn't say i have to be unlocked. I wanted to stay locked but flashing a newer firmware(different software customization). Is that possible
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Why not try it and report back. If it succeed without unlocking, then great, if not, you don't loose anything. I used the one you linked too successfully on Mac, but mine is unlocked.
If you flash a FTF with the xda flashtool, you don't need to be unlocked. This is the flashtool which is always meant in discussions here, not the Sony one with the same name.
hasenbein1966 said:
If you flash a FTF with the xda flashtool, you don't need to be unlocked. This is the flashtool which is always meant in discussions here, not the Sony one with the same name.
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Thanks for your help! Successfully flash and booted up fine without any problems:victory:
HI @all,
now that we have a FW for the device - is root possible?
All known root methods are not working.
BR
UserX10
Edit:
Solved -> Thanks you DooMLoRD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-...58xx-cwm-based-recovery-6-0-4-7-root-t2890231
Delete.
Jeez.
People haven't even got their hands on the phone yet...
Be patient
Anyone wanna try Framaroot?
http://framaroot.net/index.html
framaroot does not work ...
Ok because I saw it posted on this blog and thought it would work. Strange!
plisk3n said:
Ok because I saw it posted on this blog and thought it would work. Strange!
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Well, it says "tested on device" and is from 9/4, before the device was even unavailable. I'd be careful that apk isn't something more.
CollinsJ said:
Well, it says "tested on device" and is from 9/4, before the device was even unavailable. I'd be careful that apk isn't something more.
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Yeah that's also the reason why I decided not to download it, I'll just wait till someone @ XDA finds a way to root the device. It's not like we'll die because our device isn't rooted for x weeks/months.
Weeks/months?! I would die! It's been a day and the amount of things I can't do is driving me nuts!
If you have an unlocked boot loader see what I say at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=55709585. If you don't I think you'll be waiting for a while - someone needs to find an exploit and write the app/code needed to exploit it. This has become increasingly hard as Android has become more secure - before Towelroot AFAIK the Z1/Z2 was not rootable for a long time. You'd probably be waiting a similar length of time for the next big root exploit.
tilal6991 said:
If you have an unlocked boot loader see what I say at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=55709585. If you don't I think you'll be waiting for a while - someone needs to find an exploit and write the app/code needed to exploit it. This has become increasingly hard as Android has become more secure - before Towelroot AFAIK the Z1/Z2 was not rootable for a long time. You'd probably be waiting a similar length of time for the next big root exploit.
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Would it not be helpful to contact Sony themselves? They're increasingly developer friendly, these days. Maybe they'd be willing to offer pointers to root app developers?
mudnightoil said:
Would it not be helpful to contact Sony themselves? They're increasingly developer friendly, these days. Maybe they'd be willing to offer pointers to root app developers?
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Well I know people at Sony and long story short: if you want root unlock the boot loader. Its as simple as that. You have to understand that while a root exploit looks nice to tinkerers its also a serious security issue which must be fixed - that is why many root solutions also patch the exploit they use after using it.
Does unlocking the bootloader require wiping the phone? I know this is required on the nexus phones. If it requires wipe then its the very first thing I'm doing once I get the phone out of the box.
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tilal6991 said:
Well I know people at Sony and long story short: if you want root unlock the boot loader. Its as simple as that. You have to understand that while a root exploit looks nice to tinkerers its also a serious security issue which must be fixed - that is why many root solutions also patch the exploit they use after using it.
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I'm aware of this ... but on the one hand being one of the few if only manufacturers to provide official unlocking for the bootloaders (with the obvious intention of spurring development etc), but on the other actively closing non-simple (i.e. ones requiring a dedicated program) root 'exploits' would seem a little at odds. Is it really that black and white? You'd think it might be in their interests to provide an official complex / secure rooting method.
sublimnl said:
Does unlocking the bootloader require wiping the phone? I know this is required on the nexus phones. If it requires wipe then its the very first thing I'm doing once I get the phone out of the box.
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Yes. It will wipe everything AFAIK - double check with the website.
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I'm aware of this ... but on the one hand being one of the few if only manufacturers to provide official unlocking for the bootloaders (with the obvious intention of spurring development etc), but on the other actively closing non-simple (i.e. ones requiring a dedicated program) root 'exploits' would seem a little at odds. Is it really that black and white? You'd think it might be in their interests to provide an official complex / secure rooting method.
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Your statements contradict themselves. Rooting without unlocking the bootloader needs a security flaw. How can any method which leaves a security hole be secure?
Bootloader unlocking gets around this by letting you control the boot partition of the device so you can disable the "security barrier" that android provides. This is a choice you are explicitly making which is why it is the only "secure" way to root.
Does towelroot work?
MrOeyta said:
Does towelroot work?
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Unfortunately Towelroot does not work.
I've read some people saying that unlocking the bootloader causes you to lose your DRM keys which apparently would affect software/ camera issues?
Can anyone verify this?
tacocats said:
I've read some people saying that unlocking the bootloader causes you to lose your DRM keys which apparently would affect software/ camera issues?
Can anyone verify this?
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This is very true. On the z1c I neglected to back up the TA partition. And apparently lost native mirror cast and some camera features when I rolled the device back to stock.
Back up your TA partition before unlocking BL.
dillalade said:
This is very true. On the z1c I neglected to back up the TA partition. And apparently lost native mirror cast and some camera features when I rolled the device back to stock.
Back up your TA partition before unlocking BL.
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Any idea how this could be done?
Is this Android 4.4.4 to SGP521?
Link
Exciting!
Yes, it is 4.4.4, and it will bring us the new Z3 UI, and some Z3 features.
Bird40 said:
Is this Android 4.4.4 to SGP521?
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Sure you are not being a bit previous? My Z2 is SGP512, not SGP521! Hope you are right though
UPDATE: Doh! Just realized that both are valid
Very good news
Finally!
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The rumour-mill has gone scarily quiet.. I don't understand why, having subscribed to a "premium" product, we don't get "premium" service. Anyone prepared to stir the pot and get the rumours going again?
pdes said:
The rumour-mill has gone scarily quiet.. I don't understand why, having subscribed to a "premium" product, we don't get "premium" service. Anyone prepared to stir the pot and get the rumours going again?
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Ok, try this one. They're not going to push the 4.4.4 and will go straight to 5L next year
New version
New version
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Has anyone been able to update? Mine just failes
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Installed and working properly, we only need to root :good:
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Is this Android 4.4.4 to SGP521?
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yes, i already got it, any one has recovery?
I managed to install it with dual recovery but I am having issues on mounting the system. Does anyone know how to?
chesterr said:
I managed to install it with dual recovery but I am having issues on mounting the system. Does anyone know how to?
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But it is compatible? Now try but could
So, what do you guys think about this update? Is it really worth it? Curious to know.
The biggest reason for me to change was to get Remote Play to link with my PS4. Also, the applications button is now shifted to the middle of the bottom edge. Other than that, I haven't noticed any huge changes that blew me away.
Remote Play is pretty cool though, tried it out for a little bit last night and it was good enough to play Call of Duty campaign mode.
chesterr said:
I managed to install it with dual recovery but I am having issues on mounting the system. Does anyone know how to?
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Need to modify the kernel ramdisk to make it insecure.
Moscow Desire said:
Need to modify the kernel ramdisk to make it insecure.
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Yea it did ask me about ramdisk btw, guess I'm just gonna wait till PRF Creator tool to be updated,
chesterr said:
Yea it did ask me about ramdisk btw, guess I'm just gonna wait till PRF Creator tool to be updated,
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Well, technically, it's not such a big deal, to swap kernels/ramdisk with an unlocked bootloader. It's a simple edit. But, at this point, it would mean unlocking bootloader, and losing DRM keys (still not sure what functions besides some lost advanced camera functions, not that anybody uses the camera anyhow except for skype).
Under the old rooting, it used an exploit to modify ramdisk, (and install the necessary apps), without unlocking bootloader via an exploit.
As for me, I will wait a couple weeks and see if there's a new exploit. If not, well, I will do the above method.
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Well, technically, it's not such a big deal, to swap kernels/ramdisk with an unlocked bootloader. It's a simple edit. But, at this point, it would mean unlocking bootloader, and losing DRM keys (still not sure what functions besides some lost advanced camera functions, not that anybody uses the camera anyhow except for skype).
Under the old rooting, it used an exploit to modify ramdisk, (and install the necessary apps), without unlocking bootloader via an exploit.
As for me, I will wait a couple weeks and see if there's a new exploit. If not, well, I will do the above method.
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Basically DRM keys are used to see if you have unlocked the device (in the past). So mainly for Sony to check if your warranty is still valid.
There is a tool that will backup your DRM keys though, and can restore it too. You just need root for that (just downgrade, root, backup keys and upgrade again) Just Google Xperia DRM backup and you're bound to find out
I know it's too early, since no units have shipped yet, but my biggest concern about the z5c is root. The only way we have root on the z3c / z3 / z3 tablet compact is because of a KitKat exploit, I don't believe Lollipop 5.1.1 was ever exploited for Sony devices, so I'm worried the z5 family may not have root for quite awhile. Whenever I get a new device, I try to live without root, but it's impossible!
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I know it's too early, since no units have shipped yet, but my biggest concern about the z5c is root. The only way we have root on the z3c / z3 / z3 tablet compact is because of a KitKat exploit, I don't believe Lollipop 5.1.1 was ever exploited for Sony devices, so I'm worried the z5 family may not have root for quite awhile. Whenever I get a new device, I try to live without root, but it's impossible!
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so what? It's really funny that everytime a new sw update comes for a phone people start to talk about root and the fact that it couldnt be rootet! and then after a while it would be rooted and again another update comes and...stop it man you cant live without root then get another phone, obviously you're not asking sony to release z5 with 5.0 intead of 5.1 huh?! then what's the point of mentioning it
I assume that you can root it easily with SuperSu (or something similar) if you open the bootloader.
But I don't really know about that DRM stuff when you open the bootloader.
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so what? It's really funny that everytime a new sw update comes for a phone people start to talk about root and the fact that it couldnt be rootet! and then after a while it would be rooted and again another update comes and...stop it man you cant live without root then get another phone, obviously you're not asking sony to release z5 with 5.0 intead of 5.1 huh?! then what's the point of mentioning it
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I can relate to what mickliq was mentioning. Its not about adjusting. So many people now use root for their existing devices with mods and root-requiring apps. That all will go lost if root is not there and it can get frustrating. And btw Kianush, he expects some sort of hope that the device will get rooted in time, not to encourage him to go get another phone. Or he wont be in this section.
I would say then wait up for a month or two more after release of Z5c, and watch over the development till roots and ROMs arrive. Am going to do the same. Not to mention that Android Marshmallow is also coming soon.
There would be no problems rooting a phone with an open bootloader.
The problem is when you try to root a phone with a locked bootloader. That is not possible unless there is an exploit to do that.
So what kind of root are the OP referring?
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Kianush said:
so what? It's really funny that everytime a new sw update comes for a phone people start to talk about root and the fact that it couldnt be rootet! and then after a while it would be rooted and again another update comes and...stop it man you cant live without root then get another phone, obviously you're not asking sony to release z5 with 5.0 intead of 5.1 huh?! then what's the point of mentioning it
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Yea, so true bro! Most of the times its them n00bs that dont even do enough research.
I'm more worried about the drm stuff.
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I was referring to root without BL unlock because of camera loss quality.
With 32GB as the max on Nexus 5x today, z5c is an even stronger option...with root!
mickliq said:
I was referring to root without BL unlock because of camera loss quality.
With 32GB as the max on Nexus 5x today, z5c is an even stronger option...with root!
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Well, with all the security stuff introduced since Lollipop. I don't think that will happen.
- I'd like to know about DRM in the Z5 line. Maybe we are now able to unlock the BL without loosing any DRM stuff.
- Regarding the Z5C vs N5X: They are two different concepts. N5X could be compared with the Z5 (non compact).
thesebastian said:
Well, with all the security stuff introduced since Lollipop. I don't think that will happen.
- I'd like to know about DRM in the Z5 line. Maybe we are now able to unlock the BL without loosing any DRM stuff.
- Regarding the Z5C vs N5X: They are two different concepts. N5X could be compared with the Z5 (non compact).
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You're right in a way - I was thinking more of the old N5 at 4.95". It didn't feel particularly small in the hand, but there are so few devices < 5.2" these days, anything in the general vicinity needs to be considered
FWIW, the Z5, if it feels like the Z3, is probably too boxy in the hand, probably because of the squared corners.
did anyone root his z5c successfully yet?
M!tch said:
did anyone root his z5c successfully yet?
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I have Z5C form5 days and after learnig a lot on smartphone battery and settings... I'm trying to understand something on commad task boot etc.. I try but to no avail and I hope that some developers began to try the phone
HISPANICO
root Z5 Compact
MOD EDIT: Link removed.
tania247260 said:
root Z5 Compact
scam site
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Seriously?! That looks very fishy. Did you just search for "root z5 compact" on google and pasted the first link? lol..
NPK06 said:
Seriously?! That looks very fishy. Did you just search for "root z5 compact" on google and pasted the first link? lol..
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<YuFFie> HELP MY MOUSE IS MOVING BY IT SELF
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There would be no problems rooting a phone with an open bootloader.
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How's that? I have it unlocked here and there's no bootloader that I could use to boot into a recovery. Even though there's a good chance the TWRP images by @o-l-a-v for z3c will work here too. Am I missing something?
.corrupt. said:
How's that? I have it unlocked here and there's no bootloader that I could use to boot into a recovery. Even though there's a good chance the TWRP images by @o-l-a-v for z3c will work here too. Am I missing something?
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Try hot booting one, if it boots try flashing a SU zip.
.corrupt. said:
How's that? I have it unlocked here and there's no bootloader that I could use to boot into a recovery. Even though there's a good chance the TWRP images by @o-l-a-v for z3c will work here too. Am I missing something?
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You'll probably have to wait for a custom recovery to support Z5 compact.
I've never used a custom recovery from other phone (My last 3 phones were nexus and they usually have a custom recovery pretty fast), maybe it's not risky at all. But who knows...I would just wait until a recovery is released.
Root, TWRP and especially ROMs will take a while. the Z5 and Z5 compact hasn't even been out a month and isn't even out on all markets yet. In the US it just released or will be released within days (not 100% sure) so many devs haven't even gotten their hands on them yet but since the bootloader can be unlocked it shouldn't be impossible to get custom stuff on the device, but just rooting with ease could take awhile since AFAIK there is no working exploit in 5.1.1. yet to get root. But the Z line is a very popular line and the z5 compact is a powerhouse with good battery life, would surprise me if all this was fixed within a few months. It almost always takes months, development isn't something that just magically appear, someone has to do the work.
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Try hot booting one, if it boots try flashing a SU zip.
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We did. It did not
To be more precise, we couldn't find a hot-bootable image with the right dtb. Or any dtb for that matter.
[discussion][root] with [locked bl], vulnerabilities Snapdragon on <March2016 Android
There's an interesting article that got me thinking:
http://buysoft.greatsoftline.com/vu...m-snapdragon-chip-allow-for-easy-root-access/
CVE-2016-0819 vulnerability
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We discovered this particular vulnerability, which is described as a logic bug when an object within the kernel is freed. A node is deleted twice before it is freed. This causes an information leakage and a Use After Free issue in Android. (UAF issues are well-known for being at the heart of exploits, particularly in Internet Explorer.)
CVE-2016-0805 vulnerability
This particular vulnerability lies in the function get_krait_evtinfo. (Krait refers to the processor core used by several Snapdragon processors). The function returns an index for an array; however, the validation of the inputs of this function are not sufficient. As a result, when the array krait_functions is accessed by the functions krait_clearpmu and krait_evt_setup, an out-of-bounds access results. This can be useful as part of a multiple exploit attack.
Gaining root access
Using these two exploits, one can gain root access on a Snapdragon-powered Android device. This can be done via a malicious app on the device. To prevent further attacks that may target either the patched vulnerabilities or similar ones that have yet to be discovered, security experts are not disclosing the full details of this attack.
Trend Micro researchers will disclose the full details of exactly how to leverage the bugs at the upcoming Hack In The Box security conference in the Netherlands to be held in late May 2016.
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Once updates got applied,
flashing back via XperiFirm, exploit that vulnerability and gain root
What do you think ?
langeveld024 said:
It was already found.
.11 fw is vulnerable at several points, however, rooting is not possible due to dm-verity and Sony ric which prevents modify system.
If u search this thread you'll find more about it.
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bummer
Pandemic said:
We are genius in Z3 forum !!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=65856403
“Sent From MWE V9.5.0 On My Z3”
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There's progress on the Z3 front
Poor Sony's fan waiting root for locked BL so long, many 6.0 phone have got root already,
Gaining root with locked BL is actually great security risk, not something one should be proud of.
Saw this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=65861217
Post 1677 by Pandemic
It looks promising, the Z3 just got Root on LB
Thx. Wolfbreak the developer since the X10i
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Duvel999 said:
Saw this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=65861217
Post 1677 by Pandemic
It looks promising, the Z3 just got Root on LB
Thx. Wolfbreak the developer since the X10i
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Is it possible to port this root method on M with LB for z3 ????? They have the same problem with DRM keys like us.... But they win.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3/...oid-6-0-mm-t3337357/post65856403#post65856403
thanx.
I don't think there will be a way to root z5 with LB unfortunatelly.
The method there needs a custom recovery installed which is possible on Z3 due to an exploit used on an early firmware. Since there's no such achievement yet on the Z5 you will already fail with the first task and any other following.
Since they've made their success public before the final firmware is out Sony has enough time to fix everything else.
some people say the z5 and z3 use the same hardware and could technically use the z3 rom to root the z5.
however, the heading of this post should change. i thought we finally have root on the z5 family only to find out that it's just a post talking about root on the z3.....
zacharias.maladroit said:
There's an interesting article that got me thinking:
http://buysoft.greatsoftline.com/vu...m-snapdragon-chip-allow-for-easy-root-access/
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I didn't know those information were to be disclosed in May, instead of being kept secret. Good news from our point of view...
I think that, if the vulnerabilities could be exploited also on the Z5 line (every exploit needs to be verified practically), then we could gain temporary shell root/system priviledge to backup the TA partition. If i remember well, we cannot achieve permanent root on locked bootloader, as the /system protection SONYric is embedded in the stock kernel image.
We would need some mobile flashing tool like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2334554
I think i misunderstood. The problem is the Verified Boot ("dm-verity") check introduced in Z3+/Z4 and Z5 line.
We cannot get permanent root because this would involve modified kernel (to write on /system partition), which would not boot using a Locked bootloader because of Verified boot process that uses an OEM key.
The whole process is described here: https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html
Google intention is (or was) to allow the boot process, after a red warning, if the verification of the kernel image didn't succeed on a locked bootloader... But Sony devices bootloop without showing any warning and so the user is not allowed to continue (source: https://androplus.org/Entry/843/ thanks to the developer).
So, on locked bootloaders, it's impossible to have permanent root apps, xposed ,.... unless someone finds a hole in the bootloader (someone found a hole in Motorola's bootloader) or the OEM key gets copied and is used to sign modified firmwares...just exciting dreams.
Anyone, correct me if i'm wrong.
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I think i misunderstood. The problem is the Verified Boot ("dm-verity") check introduced in Z3+/Z4 and Z5 line.
We cannot get permanent root because this would involve modified kernel (to write on /system partition), which would not boot using a Locked bootloader because of Verified boot process that uses an OEM key.
The whole process is described here: https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html
Google intention is (or was) to allow the boot process, after a red warning, if the verification of the kernel image didn't succeed on a locked bootloader... But Sony devices bootloop without showing any warning and so the user is not allowed to continue (source: https://androplus.org/Entry/843/ thanks to the developer).
So, on locked bootloaders, it's impossible to have permanent root apps, xposed ,.... unless someone finds a hole in the bootloader (someone found a hole in Motorola's bootloader) or the OEM key gets copied and is used to sign modified firmwares...just exciting dreams.
Anyone, correct me if i'm wrong.
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Personally, not having permanent root on a locked bootloader is fine with me. I just need temp root to back up TA partition.
I am pretty sure the rest of the Z5 owners who are not yet unlock are waiting to backup TA partition before doing anything else.
there already is a way to restore credentials to use the bravia engine and the sony goodies. but ultimately, people would like to keep their TA keys (something which they paid for) instead of losing them once they unlock bootloader.
frostmore said:
Personally, not having permanent root on a locked bootloader is fine with me. I just need temp root to back up TA partition.
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Me too
ninestarkoko said:
I think i misunderstood. The problem is the Verified Boot ("dm-verity") check introduced in Z3+/Z4 and Z5 line.
We cannot get permanent root because this would involve modified kernel (to write on /system partition), which would not boot using a Locked bootloader because of Verified boot process that uses an OEM key.
The whole process is described here: https://source.android.com/security/verifiedboot/verified-boot.html
Google intention is (or was) to allow the boot process, after a red warning, if the verification of the kernel image didn't succeed on a locked bootloader... But Sony devices bootloop without showing any warning and so the user is not allowed to continue (source: https://androplus.org/Entry/843/ thanks to the developer).
So, on locked bootloaders, it's impossible to have permanent root apps, xposed ,.... unless someone finds a hole in the bootloader (someone found a hole in Motorola's bootloader) or the OEM key gets copied and is used to sign modified firmwares...just exciting dreams.
Anyone, correct me if i'm wrong.
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I remember few month ago... Chainfire was working with a new form of root, it doesn't modifies system partition. This solution doesn't help us???? We don't want lose our sony's features. :silly:
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I remember few month ago... Chainfire was working with a new form of root, it doesn't modifies system partition. This solution doesn't help us???? We don't want lose our sony's features. :silly:
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That's the systemless root, where root is achieve without changing the system file.
but this kind of root requires modified boot image, which cannot be done without unlocked bootloader....
root is becoming harder to achieve as the years pass. with samdung introducing their crap knox and sony with dm-verify etc etc.. android is fast becoming another apple where everything is being locked up and end users are forced to adhere to the way their phones are "supposed" to be used.
F U C K U P Sony. Why we couldn't own our phone features we paid for. Give our freedom to use our own phone
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F U C K U P Sony. Why we couldn't own our phone features we paid for. Give our freedom to use our own phone
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here's an article on the subject http://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-at-marshmallow-root-verity-complications/
explaining your and my feelings (i really understand you).
If you want, you can comment there but please stay in topic here.
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here's an article on the subject http://www.xda-developers.com/a-look-at-marshmallow-root-verity-complications/
explaining your and my feelings (i really understand you).
If you want, you can comment there but please stay in topic here.
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ok,thanks for told me about that. i'll be more attention about my words next times
Maybe developer Wolfbreak from the Z3 forum can help us?
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Samsung Galaxy s7 and the edge exynos version just got root, wtf Sony --'.
I think the main thing about Samsung phones is they have a recovery partition where as sony do not.
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