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HTC Mail vs. Gmail App

Ok... so I've recently migrated to Android after several years of WinMo Standard - Windows CE - 5.0 - 6.0 - 6.1 - 6.5.
So far I like Android and I love this phone... never had anything has fast or with such a great screen.
With that being said I'm having several issues that I wanted to run by the people here and see what ya'll thought.
Quick setup background - I have two email accounts I like to use - Gmail and Yahoo. I have all of my conacts in gmail organized the way I like it. Also, I recently gave up on using MS Outlook to manage my contacts and calendar and now use Gmail and Google Calendar to manage those two exclusively.
So here goes my impression/questions/issues - hoping someone can shed some light on it.
In the past with WinMo I could set up POutlook to sync with gmail/g-calendar/google contacts by configuring m.google.com as my activesync/exchange server. Everything seemed to work great. Now however I cannot decide if I should set up the accounts on the INC to sync via exchange or google.
So first question - when using HTC Mail and setting up my gmail account as an exchange server account is it "true" push?
If it is why would anyone want to use the gmail app?
Next - when I set my calendar to sync via exchange it randomly takes my entries and duplicates them on places the duplicate on the day before the original one. Any idea why? When I remove the active sync calendar and have it sync with my google account everything is correct... this is strange to me since its pulling the same data from the same place, my google calendar.
I'm sure I'll add more confusing and rambling thoughts after I continue to mess with this thing.
Thanks!

from my understanding the gmail is instant push and the htc mail app refreshes every 5 minutes (minimum). if this makes a difference to you then it should make your decision easier. hope this helps
anywhereman said:
Ok... so I've recently migrated to Android after several years of WinMo Standard - Windows CE - 5.0 - 6.0 - 6.1 - 6.5.
So far I like Android and I love this phone... never had anything has fast or with such a great screen.
With that being said I'm having several issues that I wanted to run by the people here and see what ya'll thought.
Quick setup background - I have two email accounts I like to use - Gmail and Yahoo. I have all of my conacts in gmail organized the way I like it. Also, I recently gave up on using MS Outlook to manage my contacts and calendar and now use Gmail and Google Calendar to manage those two exclusively.
So here goes my impression/questions/issues - hoping someone can shed some light on it.
In the past with WinMo I could set up POutlook to sync with gmail/g-calendar/google contacts by configuring m.google.com as my activesync/exchange server. Everything seemed to work great. Now however I cannot decide if I should set up the accounts on the INC to sync via exchange or google.
So first question - when using HTC Mail and setting up my gmail account as an exchange server account is it "true" push?
If it is why would anyone want to use the gmail app?
Next - when I set my calendar to sync via exchange it randomly takes my entries and duplicates them on places the duplicate on the day before the original one. Any idea why? When I remove the active sync calendar and have it sync with my google account everything is correct... this is strange to me since its pulling the same data from the same place, my google calendar.
I'm sure I'll add more confusing and rambling thoughts after I continue to mess with this thing.
Thanks!
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i had issues with gmail not pushing properly when set up as an exchange account via HTC mail. other than the push issue, i consider the HTC app superior in every way.

I just set the HTC mail to manual, turn off the notifications to HTC mail. I set gmail it notification on, then every time gmail pushes in the mail I check it with the HTC mail. After I check it the notification goes away.
This way you can still use HTC mail without it waisting battery power every 5 minutes pull checking.

I just set the HTC mail to manual, turn off the notifications to HTC mail. I let gmail push it notification still on, then check it with the HTC mail. After I check it the notification goes away.

HolyGrail said:
I just set the HTC mail to manual, turn off the notifications to HTC mail. I set gmail it notification on, then every time gmail pushes in the mail I check it with the HTC mail. After I check it the notification goes away.
This way you can still use HTC mail without it waisting battery power every 5 minutes pull checking.
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Great idea! I'll have to remember this when my EVO arrives next week.

HolyGrail said:
I just set the HTC mail to manual, turn off the notifications to HTC mail. I let gmail push it notification still on, then check it with the HTC mail. After I check it the notification goes away.
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might do this. thanks for the idea

If you set up your gmail account as an exchange account using m.google.com you can get push by changing your check frequency to "as arrive".
The issue I'm having is that the HTC Mail application wont open any attachments from my gmail account set up through exchange. I just get a message "The file cannot be opened because it is corrupted."
If I open with the gmail application it works fine

As a regular Gmail user, I find the Android Gmail app is superior to the HTC mail app. It gives me the same features I have when using a computer... like marking a star on a conversation, viewing different labels, and since I have multiple email addresses that my Gmail account polls, the Gmail app lets me see which of my email addresses was the recipient. It's right there in the label on the email list, without having to open each mail and look at the address information.
If you don't use Gmail, or have multiple email addresses that AREN'T automatically polled by your Gmail account, I'd agree that HTC Mail is nice. But for me it takes away too many of the nice Gmail features that I use. My $.02

jdoo said:
If you set up your gmail account as an exchange account using m.google.com you can get push by changing your check frequency to "as arrive".
The issue I'm having is that the HTC Mail application wont open any attachments from my gmail account set up through exchange. I just get a message "The file cannot be opened because it is corrupted."
If I open with the gmail application it works fine
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This doesn't push. It pulls. If you look closely you will see a refresh icon flash in your notification bar every 5 seconds. Extreme battery usage.
As far as opening up your attachments, set it for Imap. Its the only way I got it to work for attachments.

Solomente said:
As a regular Gmail user, I find the Android Gmail app is superior to the HTC mail app. It gives me the same features I have when using a computer... like marking a star on a conversation, viewing different labels, and since I have multiple email addresses that my Gmail account polls, the Gmail app lets me see which of my email addresses was the recipient. It's right there in the label on the email list, without having to open each mail and look at the address information.
If you don't use Gmail, or have multiple email addresses that AREN'T automatically polled by your Gmail account, I'd agree that HTC Mail is nice. But for me it takes away too many of the nice Gmail features that I use. My $.02
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Expect copy and paste from it, which I use a lot.

i like gmail app, because there is a delete button haha
htc one need to hit menu and hit delete.

Gmail...
I found using the Gmail app and the HTC Mail separately, I was killing my battery faster.
What I ended up doing, was having GMail PULL my pop mail, and then I'd just pull it all through the gmail app. Helped my battery life a great deal.
Pro's - Everything in one place, Easy batch delete
Con's - I have to TELL it to load the entire message (Show Picture). In HTC I didn't have to do that.
Other than that, I'm happy to have everything centralized.

[Q] Stock email app, imap, and push

I really like the new email interface that comes with the Xoom as well as the new and similar Gmail app interface. However, I also have a non-Gmail account that supports imap push which does not appear to be supported in the new stock email app. To get push email from that account, I am using K-9 which works well with push, however, I much prefer the new stock email interface. My question is, am I missing a setting on the stock email app for push (it is set up as an imap account), or, if not, what is the limitation or reasoning to not have included push in this app?
As a side comment, I did try forwarding all of my non-Gmail email to my Gmail account so I would receive it on the Xoom via push. This worked fine for about a week at which time, I as well as everyone that had sent or been copied on these emails started being flooded with notices that delivery of the email had been delayed (although it had actually been received) but attempts would be made to resend this email for the next few days. With each attempt to resend another notice would be received. My and everyone else's mailboxes were being over-filled with these notices so I stopped forwarding to Gmail and in about three days, at the end of the attempt to resend time period, these notices stopped. The account I was forwarding from was an Apple account (.me). I don't really believe in conspiracy theories but this one has me wondering!

wayne710 said:
I really like the new email interface that comes with the Xoom as well as the new and similar Gmail app interface. However, I also have a non-Gmail account that supports imap push which does not appear to be supported in the new stock email app. To get push email from that account, I am using K-9 which works well with push, however, I much prefer the new stock email interface. My question is, am I missing a setting on the stock email app for push (it is set up as an imap account), or, if not, what is the limitation or reasoning to not have included push in this app?
As a side comment, I did try forwarding all of my non-Gmail email to my Gmail account so I would receive it on the Xoom via push. This worked fine for about a week at which time, I as well as everyone that had sent or been copied on these emails started being flooded with notices that delivery of the email had been delayed (although it had actually been received) but attempts would be made to resend this email for the next few days. With each attempt to resend another notice would be received. My and everyone else's mailboxes were being over-filled with these notices so I stopped forwarding to Gmail and in about three days, at the end of the attempt to resend time period, these notices stopped. The account I was forwarding from was an Apple account (.me). I don't really believe in conspiracy theories but this one has me wondering!
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I have an IMAP account. When you are setting it up at the end it asks for refresh interval. I put that to never and it seems to push my email just fine.

under apps at the top right there are two email clients, gmail and email. Anything other than gmail gets loaded into email and is viewed in there. There are also two seperate widgets both of which I have on page 1.

Inphinitizeit said:
I have an IMAP account. When you are setting it up at the end it asks for refresh interval. I put that to never and it seems to push my email just fine.
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That is interesting as when I tell the regular email client, set up as an imap account, to "Never" check, it does just that....it never checks. I have to go into the app and manually refresh it to get any email. On the Gmail client, a time selection is not available as it is set to sync automatically with your gmail account.

wayne710 said:
That is interesting as when I tell the regular email client, set up as an imap account, to "Never" check, it does just that....it never checks. I have to go into the app and manually refresh it to get any email. On the Gmail client, a time selection is not available as it is set to sync automatically with your gmail account.
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Hey, that's not me. LIES

Spawn026 said:
Hey, that's not me. LIES
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Sorry about that Spawn! I figured out what I did and won't let it happen again!

I, too, do not find that the "never" setting works. I notice on the Exchange seetings there are extra fields to syn with server. IMAP seems to have left those choices out.

Exchange email sync

More of a jelly bean question than an n7 one really, but either way...
I'm desperately trying to find a way to arrange for my work email to be pushed during work hours and not synched at all during other times. Don't want to resort to touchdown as it's so ugly. Thought I'd finally found something workable using tasker and the synker plugin. I can set this up to disable sync on the exchange account at a chosen time.
Doesn't work though
Testing the situation manually, you can go into account settings and manually untick email under the exchange account yet it will still sync email because the frequency (separate setting inside the email app) is set to push.
Am I wrong to think that disabling email syncing under accounts should actually disable email syncing!?
Thoughts anyone?

karnka said:
More of a jelly bean question than an n7 one really, but either way...
I'm desperately trying to find a way to arrange for my work email to be pushed during work hours and not synched at all during other times. Don't want to resort to touchdown as it's so ugly. Thought I'd finally found something workable using tasker and the synker plugin. I can set this up to disable sync on the exchange account at a chosen time.
Doesn't work though
Testing the situation manually, you can go into account settings and manually untick email under the exchange account yet it will still sync email because the frequency (separate setting inside the email app) is set to push.
Am I wrong to think that disabling email syncing under accounts should actually disable email syncing!?
Thoughts anyone?
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The main sync is only for google. Try a 3rd party scheduling app like MyProfiles or something along those lines. Good luck!
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Use touchdown, works great for this. But sure about the ugly part.
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No deep sleep with Hotmail

Guys after installing the 21.02 update of the official hotmail app My N4 don't go in deep sleep if I have push notification active in it. Do you have the same problem?
Anyone with the apk of previous version?
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I had that issue with the hotmail app and ended up doing some research on this a little while ago. Now I have the stock Android email app configured to Hotmail's active exchange server for push mail. 2 weeks in, no issues.

Michelechele said:
Guys after installing the 21.02 update of the official hotmail app My N4 don't go in deep sleep if I have push notification active in it. Do you have the same problem?
Anyone with the apk of previous version?
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Download this app and you're good to go!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...GwsMSwxLDMsImNvbS5vYXNpc2ZlbmcuZ3JlZW5pZnkiXQ..

Push Hotmail
If you want push Hotmail, I highly recommend you use the stock android email app. Open the stock email app, start a new account, enter your Hot mail account and password, but instead clicking next, click Manual Setup. Click exchange. In the Domain/username tap there and put your full email a dress it it. Make sure to retain the slash before it. Keep the password section the same. For the server, delete the whole thing and enter "m.hotmail.com" scroll all the way down and click next. TADA!! Push hotmail without any third party app.
Note, this works with Hotmail, Live, and Outlook. The email address in the Domain/username accepts @Hot mail, @Live, or @Outlook! The server stays the same though. Google knows how to write their apps properly.

Sure Hotmail app has been update but thanks to Microsoft after this problem I have setted up the default email app and is great for hotmail.
I was going to configure it even on gmail but i don't understand why on hotmail it has push notification and with gmail only check in X min.
Btw deleted hotmail app.
weinerschnitzelboy said:
If you want push Hotmail, I highly recommend you use the stock android email app. Open the stock email app, start a new account, enter your Hot mail account and password, but instead clicking next, click Manual Setup. Click exchange. In the Domain/username tap there and put your full email a dress it it. Make sure to retain the slash before it. Keep the password section the same. For the server, delete the whole thing and enter "m.hotmail.com" scroll all the way down and click next. TADA!! Push hotmail without any third party app.
Note, this works with Hotmail, Live, and Outlook. The email address in the Domain/username accepts @Hot mail, @Live, or @Outlook! The server stays the same though. Google knows how to write their apps properly.
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I'm just using the default configuration that as server has dub-m.hotmail.com. ATM I don's see any problem using dub server. Why do you suggest the manual setup? Is it there any problem that i haven't seen yet?

Michelechele said:
Sure Hotmail app has been update but thanks to Microsoft after this problem I have setted up the default email app and is great for hotmail.
I was going to configure it even on gmail but i don't understand why on hotmail it has push notification and with gmail only check in X min.
Btw deleted hotmail app.
I'm just using the default configuration that as server has dub-m.hotmail.com. ATM I don's see any problem using dub server. Why do you suggest the manual setup? Is it there any problem that i haven't seen yet?
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Gmail does not allow push mail with apps anymore. They removed it as of Janurary 30, 2013 - first announced in December 2012. The only app that can do push mail is the Android gmail app, and not even outlook can do it.

Does The Default Mail App Push Email?

Hey Guys, just wondering if the default mail app pushes email. I didn't see the push option in the settings, all i saw was a check frequency option of every 15,30,60 minutes etc.... am i missing something? I don't want to use the gmail app.

No it doesn't. It only will if you use it with exchange. Only the gmail app uses push. There are a couple apps in Play Store that uses pushes service like K-9 Mail
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Yahoo mail app gives you notifications

97prelude said:
Hey Guys, just wondering if the default mail app pushes email. I didn't see the push option in the settings, all i saw was a check frequency option of every 15,30,60 minutes etc.... am i missing something? I don't want to use the gmail app.
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First time I try setting my Hotmail account in years due to the lack of exchange support, for my surprise it works now, and it pushes all messages, so in a summary, I assume that it will Push all Exchange Email accounts. regular Imap and POP just schedules to check Emails.