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The Xperia Has 384mb Ram...

What is the actual RAM in the device?
The X1 has 384 MB RAM but you'll note that the device information screen says 256MB. This is because the X1 also has an additional 128MB RAM that's only accessible to the CPU/3D chip. There isn't really anyway way to know this apart from taking SE's work although HTC also confirm this but we're looking for a way for end users to verify for themselves
source:
http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/2008/10/13/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-answers

already discussed, this thread is duplicated
and if you read the full answer, you will find:
"There isn't really anyway way to know this apart from taking SE's work although HTC also confirm this but we're looking for a way for end users to verify for themselves."
So, performance seems confirm the presence of 128mb of vram, but for now we cannot be sure of that

guap said:
already discussed, this thread is duplicated
and if you read the full answer, you will find:
"There isn't really anyway way to know this apart from taking SE's work although HTC also confirm this but we're looking for a way for end users to verify for themselves."
So, performance seems confirm the presence of 128mb of vram, but for now we cannot be sure of that
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well, just posted this to notify you all, one of my relatives (wifes cousin) is a developer at SE in sweden, and he say's it got it, but hey he could be wrong...
and the other thread was about it NOT having that much ram...

So, performance seems confirm the presence of 128mb of vram
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uh, how so?

seeing is believing
got to be sceptical,
if it's not stated anywhere than it's not there.....
if one believe it that it has 384 RAM,
might as well assume that the x1 also had swiss knife build in, 2Ghz dual core processor, nuclear powered, what ever one can imagine.....
well, now i see how experia is the ultimate machine,
as it is really up to your imagination.

xcesspda said:
got to be sceptical,
if it's not stated anywhere than it's not there.....
if one believe it that it has 384 RAM,
might as well assume that the x1 also had swiss knife build in, 2Ghz dual core processor, nuclear powered, what ever one can imagine.....
well, now i see how experia is the ultimate machine,
as it is really up to your imagination.
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Very funny

xcesspda said:
the x1 also had swiss knife build in, 2Ghz dual core processor, nuclear powered, what ever one can imagine.....
well, now i see how experia is the ultimate machine,
as it is really up to your imagination.
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Are you willing to repeat that in front of [insert famous/important/very important persons name]?
Anyway, fu** this, my notebook has 128mb vram and I play fu****g Tom Clancy first person shooters! WTF is wrong with those fu****s putting 128mb vram in a fu****g cellphone! Geeeez I'm so fu****g male but I think I seriously gonna get my period very soon over that device and what gets speculated about it...!
(is writing fu** ok btw?)

Proper 6039Y (4.7") vs 6045Y (5.5") signalling

Hello there
I recently acquired our beloved Idol 3, the 4.7" variant (aka 6039Y), and I couldn't help but noticing a rather disturbing fact :
=> Any information about the 6039Y model is diluted in general threads or buried inside the 6045Y threads ...
Would it be possible for everybody posting information/patches/docs/etc specific to the 6039Y model to post stuff in specific threads with a [6039Y] tag in the title somewhere ?
I believe this would make finding relevant information way easier for everyone
I still dream of unified methods/patches for both models, considering both devices shouldn't be that different, but that is up to the volunteers providing the software to decide.
What do you guys/gals think ?

DarkZell666 said:
Hello there
I recently acquired our beloved Idol 3, the 4.7" variant (aka 6039Y), and I couldn't help but noticing a rather disturbing fact :
=> Any information about the 6039Y model is diluted in general threads or buried inside the 6045Y threads ...
Would it be possible for everybody posting information/patches/docs/etc specific to the 6039Y model to post stuff in specific threads with a [6039Y] tag in the title somewhere ?
I believe this would make finding relevant information way easier for everyone
I still dream of unified methods/patches for both models, considering both devices shouldn't be that different, but that is up to the volunteers providing the software to decide.
What do you guys/gals think ?
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The problem you are gonna have is that you 6039 users are kinda gonna have to run with the ball because your root method AND version of TWRP is totally different then the ones for the 6045 so you can't even follow our guides (for example your version doesn't offer the option to backup "System image" which included partition info). Since no one has done it I don't think anyone would have an issue if you started "how to root on the 6039" and "how to install twrp on the 6039"...notice I'm not identifying a letter because I don't know if the 4.7 model only comes as a 6039Y....the 6045 has 6045i (usa/canada), 6045Y(europe), and 6045K (Various other places). There is also a rumored 6045B.

Dose the 4'7" even have same specs as 5'5" normally the specs ain't the same in smaller version CPU and ram etc , ie s4 quad core 2GB and s4 mini dual core 1.5gb and have totally different root guides and methods , I believe both variants will get good support evench its a cracking device and support is slowly building
Sent from my 6045Y using Tapatalk

DoobyDroid said:
Dose the 4'7" even have same specs as 5'5" normally the specs ain't the same in smaller version CPU and ram etc , ie s4 quad core 2GB and s4 mini dual core 1.5gb and have totally different root guides and methods , I believe both variants will get good support evench its a cracking device and support is slowly building
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Different hardware. Different root method. Different version of TWRP. Different method of backing up system image. Basically the only thing that is the same is the fact they call both of them an "Idol 3".

Thought as much
Sent from my 6045Y using Tapatalk

famewolf said:
Different hardware. Different root method. Different version of TWRP. Different method of backing up system image. Basically the only thing that is the same is the fact they call both of them an "Idol 3".
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Considering both phones are Qualcomm-based, I would assume they aren't THAT different after all ? (I AM new to Android development, so there must be something I'm missing for sure )
I mean, Android is based and Linux, and our chip is just yet another ARMv7 chip which the linux kernel supports pretty well, so what makes an ARMv7 chip different from any other ARMv7 chip ?
Do they optimize the kernel so far that they strip anything useless for each phone out of it, effectively rendering each kernel useless on any other phone ?
One last question : wouldn't building a generic ARMv7 kernel from this page be a good starting point ? (msm projet is for Qualcomm hardware) : https://source.android.com/source/building-kernels.html#figuring-out-which-kernel-to-build
Note that I might be daydreaming here and I don't fully realise what amount of works this implies.

DarkZell666 said:
Considering both phones are Qualcomm-based, I would assume they aren't THAT different after all ? (I AM new to Android development, so there must be something I'm missing for sure )
I mean, Android is based and Linux, and our chip is just yet another ARMv7 chip which the linux kernel supports pretty well, so what makes an ARMv7 chip different from any other ARMv7 chip ?
Do they optimize the kernel so far that they strip anything useless for each phone out of it, effectively rendering each kernel useless on any other phone ?
One last question : wouldn't building a generic ARMv7 kernel from this page be a good starting point ? (msm projet is for Qualcomm hardware) : https://source.android.com/source/building-kernels.html#figuring-out-which-kernel-to-build
Note that I might be daydreaming here and I don't fully realise what amount of works this implies.
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You need to spend some time reading the existing threads such as the root thread etc where alot of this has been covered. http://forum.xda-developers.com/idol-3/help/root-ability-phone-t3116179

4.7" and 5.5" models have different hardware
The whole forum about Idol 3 is a big mess to me because most people do not realize that the Idol 3 comes in many different hardware configurations.
Indeed we should start stating comments in for at least 5.5 and 4.7 models. (GPU/3g/4g is different and what else) or for both if it applies.
Although this forum already implies it's about a 5.5 model according to the home page, there are many different hardware models discussed! We need active moderators when roms start roling to distinguish ourselfs from lemmings!

Maybe ask a mod to make a 4.7 model sub-forum.

SnoopSnitch

I'm going to apologize in advance and hope there is someone who is patient enough to try and deal with me because I'm a complete idiot when it comes to anything electronic. So, I'm sorry. But any help is appreciated.
I recently downloaded SnoopStitch but when I opened it, I get a error message : Fatal Condition device not Compatiable. Device does not exist / no Qualcomm chip / no ROM
So, I know it exists. I thought it was on the device list when I went back and looked but I don't know for sure because it seems as if there is actually 700 different S4's and I have no idea which mine is, I guess. I think.
And I think ROM has something to do with memory but I don't really know and I have no idea how that would help.
So far as I know it is just a normal Samsung Galaxy S4 bought last September through Bell Mobility in Canada.
Is there anyway I can make it compatiable? Can I get this Qualcomm thing?
Thanks,
Judas

ROM is android itself, the operating system on the phone, the whole software part. The ROM is what makes this device an android phone.
Qualcomm is the hardware manufacturer. More specifically, the processor and graphics processing unit.
The S4 came in two variants, a Qualcomm variant and an Exynos (Samsung's own processor) variant. You have the Qualcomm variant.
The Bell Canada version of the S4 is an SGH-1337M.
If your device does not appear on the compatibility list, there are certain ways to make the app think it's a different device. But let's get into that once we are certain it isn't.

GDReaper said:
ROM is android itself, the operating system on the phone, the whole software part. The ROM is what makes this device an android phone.
Qualcomm is the hardware manufacturer. More specifically, the processor and graphics processing unit.
The S4 came in two variants, a Qualcomm variant and an Exynos (Samsung's own processor) variant. You have the Qualcomm variant.
The Bell Canada version of the S4 is an SGH-1337M.
If your device does not appear on the compatibility list, there are certain ways to make the app think it's a different device. But let's get into that once we are certain it isn't.
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But we know, don't we? Or is it the ROM?
I was going to add a screen capture I took of the error message but I can't figure out how to upload a picture.

JudasK said:
But we know, don't we? Or is it the ROM?
I was going to add a screen capture I took of the error message but I can't figure out how to upload a picture.
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SnoopSnitch requires root and stock rom (Stock rom meaning the factory pre-installed software).
Since you claim to be disinclined towards technology, I assume you have the latter, but not the former. Am I correct?

GDReaper said:
ROM is android itself, the operating system on the phone, the whole software part. The ROM is what makes this device an android phone.
Qualcomm is the hardware manufacturer. More specifically, the processor and graphics processing unit.
The S4 came in two variants, a Qualcomm variant and an Exynos (Samsung's own processor) variant. You have the Qualcomm variant.
The Bell Canada version of the S4 is an SGH-1337M.
If your device does not appear on the compatibility list, there are certain ways to make the app think it's a different device. But let's get into that once we are certain it isn't.
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GDReaper said:
SnoopSnitch requires root and stock rom (Stock rom meaning the factory pre-installed software).
Since you claim to be disinclined towards technology, I assume you have the latter, but not the former. Am I correct?
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Most definitely correct.

JudasK said:
Most definitely correct.
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Well, then you will have too root your phone.
You can find guides in the help thread.

Does there exist a Android 5.1+ and 2GB RAM head unit that isn't terrible?

It doesn't seem like it's possible to find something with Android 5.1 (or later) and 2GB RAM. The only one I can find is the InDashNet unit except that one seems to still be in beta and buggy.
Doesn't anyone make something with 2GB RAM and a modern release of the OS? Getting real sick of my AppRadio issues, but I don't want to deal with the headache of 1GB RAM or an old OS.

petard said:
It doesn't seem like it's possible to find something with Android 5.1 (or later) and 2GB RAM. The only one I can find is the InDashNet unit except that one seems to still be in beta and buggy.
Doesn't anyone make something with 2GB RAM and a modern release of the OS? Getting real sick of my AppRadio issues, but I don't want to deal with the headache of 1GB RAM or an old OS.
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These are legitimate concerns, I've been reading the forums and still haven't come to any solid conclusions yet either.

Same for me. Checking this forum almost daily since several months now to see if something with Android 5.1+ and 2GB RAM comes out... I will probably not wait much longer and just order the InDashNet unit...
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I am sure I probably am over simplifying things here, but isn't there a way to add a bigger RAM chip to these things like a PC?

petard said:
It doesn't seem like it's possible to find something with Android 5.1 (or later) and 2GB RAM. The only one I can find is the InDashNet unit except that one seems to still be in beta and buggy.
Doesn't anyone make something with 2GB RAM and a modern release of the OS? Getting real sick of my AppRadio issues, but I don't want to deal with the headache of 1GB RAM or an old OS.
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Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.

dynamite647 said:
Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.
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First listing doesn't specify which version of Android it is running. The second one says it's running 4.4. That's too old. I want 5.1 or later and 2GB RAM. That combination doesn't seem available.

Mr Metalhead said:
I am sure I probably am over simplifying things here, but isn't there a way to add a bigger RAM chip to these things like a PC?
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No you can't do that. It's all soldered in, not using DIMMs.

dynamite647 said:
Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.
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Ownice C200 offered 2GB of RAM, but their newest unit is the C300, and it went back to 1GB of RAM. not sure why, maybe they had problems with the 2GB

Why not grab one thats 4.4 and usually cheaper than 5.1 and just upgrade it ? I've seen them on aliexpress not many but some..

Cid6.7 said:
Why not grab one thats 4.4 and usually cheaper than 5.1 and just upgrade it ? I've seen them on aliexpress not many but some..
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As far as I know, they are not upgradable to 5.1. Only if you do a hardware upgrade/downgrade to an MTCD mainboard with 1GB RAM you can upgrade to Android 5.1.
So it seems there is an incompatibility between 2GB and Android 5.1 or there is some software development necessary to allow this... I think I saw a statement from Joying that they are working on it...

There is no comparability issue with 2gigs of ram and Android 5.x
Its called cheap. They want to reduce the cost of the hardware.

blacklistedcard said:
There is no comparability issue with 2gigs of ram and Android 5.x
Its called cheap. They want to reduce the cost of the hardware.
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Could you please point me to a specific unit. I cannot find any unit which has 2GB RAM and Android 5.x or upgradable to 5.x.
I am genuinely interested. Thanks.

blacklistedcard said:
There is no comparability issue with 2gigs of ram and Android 5.x
Its called cheap. They want to reduce the cost of the hardware.
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my guess is it's a MCU limitation. I am pretty certain RAM would not be a software (android) limitation. But the MCU is effectively a black box on these things that impacts just about every aspect of overall functionality. And the fact that the MCU hacked together by chinese/indian engineers with very low R&D budgets, we have the issues we have today. Someone needs to open source the MCU and allow it to be fully customizable somehow. I imagine the community here could come up with some fantasic mods, such as digital audio out, support for better internal hardware, better bluetooth integration, etc.
I am surprised that for this long, nobody has managed to fully decode the MCU.

Hisma said:
my guess is it's a MCU limitation. I am pretty certain RAM would not be a software (android) limitation. But the MCU is effectively a black box on these things that impacts just about every aspect of overall functionality. And the fact that the MCU hacked together by chinese/indian engineers with very low R&D budgets, we have the issues we have today. Someone needs to open source the MCU and allow it to be fully customizable somehow. I imagine the community here could come up with some fantasic mods, such as digital audio out, support for better internal hardware, better bluetooth integration, etc.
I am surprised that for this long, nobody has managed to fully decode the MCU.
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They usually standard MCU chips. Someone would have to completely recode a working source. Which would be really impossible. I agree it would be nice to see one full MCU source code.

nomailing said:
Could you please point me to a specific unit. I cannot find any unit which has 2GB RAM and Android 5.x or upgradable to 5.x.
I am genuinely interested. Thanks.
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http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...Universal-For-Nissan/1333672_32707119098.html

Cid6.7 said:
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...Universal-For-Nissan/1333672_32707119098.html
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They write RAM: 1G. Several times in the description.
The problem with sellers on Aliexpress is that they even confuse RAM and ROM and falsely write 2GB RAM in title although everywhere in the article it says RAM 1GB.
Any other suggestions?
Sent from my SM-N910F using XDA-Developers mobile app

I wonder how come no one in the states has attempted their own Android head unit production. Why are we leaving it all to the Chinese? Why couldn't we produce our own hardware and mcu?

dynamite647 said:
Here you go, 2GB ram. http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-C200...WiFi-Android-Quad-Core-for-BMW-p-1061269.html
http://www.banggood.com/Ownice-Car-...d-Core-WiFi-Canbus-Android-4_4-p-1049038.html
They have vehicle specific kits too.
A lot of them are starting to make/test the 2GB version so I assume more to come later this year.
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Ownice c200 is definitely only 4.4 at the moment.
We where promised an update but we still haven't had it.
Since then they released the c300 but it has only 1gb and still only 4.4
The reason they say it's only 1gb is it has a different cpu (not an rk chip like every other unit)
They still sell the c200 so i don't think they are dropping it.
Long story short. No 2gb lollipop at the moment. I've settled for 4.4 myself but i got my unit 18 months ago.

Dream Reality Syndrome said:
I wonder how come no one in the states has attempted their own Android head unit production. Why are we leaving it all to the Chinese? Why couldn't we produce our own hardware and mcu?
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Too small of a market. Despite what you might gather from these forums, this is a very low quantity, niche market, and the active participants want things at rock bottom prices. US production costs, especially for such a small market, just aren't economically viable.
Honestly, If you aren't satisfied with the current crop of units (and I'm not), then your best bet is going to be some type of DIY project. I've got a Raspberry PI 3 and a SDR sitting on my workbench waiting to be worked on. You might also consider some variety of tablet install (I'm kind of torn between going this route and the rpi3).
But regardless of DIY, Chinese Headunit, whatever, this will ultimately boil down to software. Without a well thought out, extensible front end/UI, it will continue to be frustrating. Such software would be awesome if opensource, but I have my doubts. The in-dash-net units are supposed to be going that route, but I'm not holding my breath.

Zaphod-Beeblebrox said:
But regardless of DIY, Chinese Headunit, whatever, this will ultimately boil down to software. Without a well thought out, extensible front end/UI, it will continue to be frustrating. Such software would be awesome if opensource, but I have my doubts. The in-dash-net units are supposed to be going that route, but I'm not holding my breath.
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The funny thing about the software, is that all the different specialized parts of the software actually exist already in open source. The biggest hurdle is actually handling a phone call. The "back end" of this process, bluetooth HFP-client profile, is available in AOSP. There is a "demo" application for actually managing that backend available in codeaurora.
Aside from that, you also have AM/FM radio to think about, but that is fairly simple.
Honestly, the biggest part of this problem is the hardware.

NFC support

This is probably a stupid question, but does anyone know of a custom ROM that does, or possibly will in the future, support NFC?

What so need of that crap?
NFC technology is just like infrared. Beside getting faster connection, it does not have that much advantage.

ashishwebmail said:
NFC technology is just like infrared. Beside getting faster connection, it does not have that much advantage.
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Android Pay for a start.

I highly doubt that a custom ROM would ever support NFC on the G4 Play - as far as I'm aware of doesn't have the hardware to support it in the first place.
I suppose if someone did a hardware mod like attaching an NFC chip and antenna to the battery cover and hooked it up through the USB port, but that's all I could come up with.

irony_delerium said:
I highly doubt that a custom ROM would ever support NFC on the G4 Play - as far as I'm aware of doesn't have the hardware to support it in the first place.
I suppose if someone did a hardware mod like attaching an NFC chip and antenna to the battery cover and hooked it up through the USB port, but that's all I could come up with.
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The G4 Play does have NFC... At least, mine does

Right, so I guess not all models have it... I've got an unlocked XT1607 (2GB/16GB, US) and it doesn't have it.
Found a bit more info - I guess some of the non-US versions might have it (the XT1604 comes up), but I haven't seen it at all in the one that I've got here.
That's what I get for assuming they all didn't have one since most of the hardware specs seem to be shared otherwise...

Its a little odd, really, some having it but others not. I had presumed the only differences between them were storage capacity since that's a common theme among manufacturers and their device variants.

MrNudge said:
Its a little odd, really, some having it but others not. I had presumed the only differences between them were storage capacity since that's a common theme among manufacturers and their device variants.
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from my understanding US doesn't have NFC, all others do. I found out when I bought mine. Sales person assured me it had NFC. Of course I went to set it up in the store and it wasn't there. Wasn't a dealbreaker for me but it would have been nice to have.

Yes, some version of G4 Play has NFC. For example my XT1604 is 16GB storage, 1 GB RAM and NFC inside. It is model for EU region.